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    Default Re: The Bloodstained Men ... Against Circumcision

    A few thoughts come to mind on this topic:
    - If it ain't broke don't fix it,
    - God made us in his image, hence the reason men are born with foreskin, and
    - So why would anyone let there body be mutilated for the sake of religion?
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    Lmao yeah i'm still waiting for the science...those articles are nothing but grotesquely absurd propoganda...

    You really need to read the book Aids Inc by John Rappaport before you try and pass off propaganda style journalistic articles as science...

    Now if you'd presented an actual list of genuine scientific studies like these ones conducted in Canada, you may be taken slightly more seriously. Let me just list a few of the titles of these studies to see what the science really shows...

    ...Circumcision Increases Risk of Meatal Stenosis

    ...Claim of Circumcision Benefit is Overstated and Premature

    ...Circumcision/HIV Claims are Based on Insufficient Evidence

    ...Babies Feel Pain "Like Adults"

    ...Circumcision Connected to Risk of Autism Spectrum Disorder

    ...Circumcised Boys Have More Emotional and Behavioral Problems

    ...Circumcision Decreases Penile Sensitivity

    ...Circumcision is Associated with Adult Difficulty in Identifying and Expressing Feelings

    ...Circumcision Associated with Sexual Difficulties in Men and Women

    ...Circumcision is Associated with Premature Ejaculation...(on a side note to this one, I have a circumcised friend who is so overstimulated in the private area that he jacks off to porn up to 7 times a day...its no wonder the jews run most of the porn industry lol)

    ...Serious Consequences of Circumcision Trauma in Adult Men Clinically Observed

    ...Researchers Demonstrate Traumatic Effects of Circumcision

    ...Early Adverse Experiences May Lead to Abnormal Brain Development and Behavior


    As a result of these studies (and plenty of others that haven't been listed) the Canadian Pediatric Society recommends AGAINST circumcision.
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    I believe it was a mark of the jews, originally.

    The lords of Greece tried to re-lengthen their circumcision when empire came calling , I believe. To emulate their Roman overlords. That must have been painful.

    My nephew got cut. The reason was because his dad was. Didn't want the tike to be asking questions why he's different than dad, so off it came.

    There is no reason for circumcision anymore, if there ever was. Unless you want to be a proud jew.

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    Quote Posted by chancy (here)
    Hello Everyone:
    I'm always amazed at people who protest something without having anything to protest about! The vast majority of the complainers in life have fallen on ideas that simply are NOT CORRECT.

    Being a man that is circumcised I have not had any problems in life! In fact friends and relatives that are not circimcised have problems with not being circumcised such as cleanliness and feeling less pleasure when having sex.

    Our family have discussed this topic at length and most of the people have all concluded that circumcision is best for boys as long as it's done when they are infants. In fact, boys that are circumcised don't have to spend so much time cleaning themselves or having mom clean themselves. These kids flourish and never have I ever heard of a child that is cicumcised regret it.

    Our family does not believe in circumcision for religous reasons. It comes down to giving the child much more control over their cleanliness and when they are old great stimulation when having sex.

    Why break the wheel when it's not broken. From reading the threads that are in this thread I pretty much have come to the conclusion that whoever wrote these articles and books simply don't believe in cicumcision. That's their right and probably their belief.

    I say mind your own business and if you don't believe in cicumcision that's your belief. For the people that do believe in circumcision that's our belief.

    chancy
    This is more horse hockey than I can stand! The tired old argument about cleanliness has been beaten into the ground and is entirely and completely baseless. I'm not mutilated and I've had zero issues with my organ. My mother simply taught me to wash myself. By your reasoning many of our appendages, noses, ears, hair, anything could be surgically removed in order that some idiot who cares nothing about being clean can not suffer because of his dirt!

    Circumcision is no different than young females having their clitorises hacked off by an ignorant witch doctor. It's mutilation and butchery. There is no rationale, sane reason for the barbaric practice.

    This subject reminds me of my favorite quote of all time. To paraphrase Carmody's remark, "...the Abrahamic dick snippers."
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    Default Re: The Bloodstained Men ... Against Circumcision

    A couple of things could be mentioned:

    It's profitable procedure for Drs and hospitals so they will fight to continue.

    The hospitals also have several profitable uses for the tissue.

    Head over to YT and pull up a circumcision video. I stumbled onto one a few years ago and could not watch for long. It was barbaric and horrifying. The way they do it may have something to do with preserving as much of the tissue in as large a piece as possible for further use.

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    Sadly but almost all of what you have said against circumcision is true. That foreskin is there to protect the sensitive part of the penis which is meant to be expose only at the right moment. Thus constantly rubbing to the pants it grows thicker skin and lose sensitivity over time, just like the hands when it grew callous. And as Carmody has mentioned it might also have a physiological effect on young boys. Imagine rubbing the sensitive part all the time to your pants while you are still young and sensitive.

    Well i guess its too late and not proper for me to look for a donor and reattached that foreskin, So my goal now is to prevent the next generation from being mutilated. For even with my advice against it my boys went for it because of societal influence mostly because of fear being bullied by peers.

    I am thankful that this has been brought up here. I am saving this thread and have my children read it

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    Quote Posted by chancy (here)
    .... and never have I ever heard of a child that is cicumcised regret it.......
    How much have you looked for any? The internet is overflowing with them and most telling are the men who regret having it done later whether by parents, selves or for medical reasons like these comments from http://www.circumstitions.com/Resent.html

    Sorry to make any possible resentment or regret worse for any men or parents here but I hope you agree that the more this issue is spotlighted the better.


    To: circumcision_pro_or_con@yahoogroups.com
    From: "philip"
    Date sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:22:24 -0000
    Subject: [circumcision_pro_or_con] ruined
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    i was cut right after my 13th birthday before then i was proud of my uncut dic but was told by my Mom and Doctor how much better it would be to be cutwhat a LIE! Now it is so ugly that i am ashamed to let anyone see it and there is almost not feelings in it anymore most times i cant even jack off for the skin is so tight and doesnt move at all and i go soft from the lack of feelings. And the pain i suffered while it heal was almost embarable for weeks it hurt the head was so tender and hurt for so long from rubbing my briefs then the head peeled so bad as it dried out that it left sores it was horrible i hate my Doctor and Mom and always will for ever for what they did to me!

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    I am against circumcision because I was not circumcised until I was 45. They said I needed it for medical reasons. If I had it to do over I’d tell them to go to hell. I lost so much sensitivity it’s almost unbelievable. No one should do this to anyone unless there is no other way to fix the problem. An if there is no problem it should never be done. To me it is child abuse to circumcise a child for no real reason.

    breastimus onYoutube, May 24, 2009

    100% DONT CUT IT! I am polish/European and was born uncut. I moved to USA when I was 2 and felt different from other boys. I didn't like having foreskin so when I was 18 I got cut because I couldn't [bear] the insecurity. I'm no[w] 26 and TOTALLY regret doing it. I lost SOO much sensitivity. There is NO need to cut your foreskin. It's not JUST a piece of skin. It PROTECTS the penis. My girl and I are NOW expecting a baby boy and we are DEFINITELY NOT CIRCUMCISING!

    Posted by gunner777 on Dallas Morning Views blog @ 8:56 PM Tue, Aug 18, 2009
    At the age of 21 I allowed the US military to talk me into getting circumcised. It would prevent disease, they said, and I would be cleaner, which the girls would enjoy (not much clearer than that) and such.
    What they didn't tell me was that intercourse would never be quite as enjoyable, that the reduction in sensation while excited would make the area feel almost numb compared to before, and that the increase in sensation when flaccid would lead to make the rest of life uncomfortable.
    I still wish I had my foreskin back.


    I had a medical circumcision when I was 18, and I can report that there IS a difference. Afterwards I was really pissed off because at the time they offered me a new procedure where they just make a cut in the skin rather than hacking it all off.? Being totally ignorant I turned it down thinking it would be good to have shot of it. If I'd known that I'd be left with scar tissue and the end of my knob less sensitive, I would have taken it. But they never told me anything about that.
    Dangerman5 on YouTube February 1, 2010

    I had no choice when I was cut. I had a friend who decided to have circumcision done when he was twenty so he would "look like everyone else". Many months later I asked what was the difference. He said " my sex world went from full color to black and white and I can't go back". I feel I was abused and robbed of a important experience.
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    IMO, it comes down to this, plain and simple:
    Whatever intelligence created humankind would not make such a mistake as to add skin that was not meant to be there, especially in such an important part of the body.
    Unless it is for a severe medical reason and is not causing any pain or suffering, best to leave well enough alone.
    Of course, that is just my opinion.

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    Posted by gunner777 on Dallas Morning Views blog @ 8:56 PM Tue, Aug 18, 2009
    At the age of 21 I allowed the US military to talk me into getting circumcised. It would prevent disease, they said, and I would be cleaner, which the girls would enjoy (not much clearer than that) and such.
    What they didn't tell me was that intercourse would never be quite as enjoyable, that the reduction in sensation while excited would make the area feel almost numb compared to before, and that the increase in sensation when flaccid would lead to make the rest of life uncomfortable.
    I still wish I had my foreskin back.
    ...And here in lies the rub...

    You've got to ask yourself "why would the most spiritually bankrupt and malignant force of evil on the planet (the US military) promote circumcision to joining cadets under the false pretense of 'cleanliness' and 'girls would enjoy it'?"

    One answer is that circumcision is renowned for reducing empathy and increasing violent and arrogant behaviour as French studies into the affects of circumcision reveal...

    http://echelledejacob.blogspot.co.uk...les-de-la.html (translated via google translate below)

    Quote The International Journal of Men's Health published the first study examining the link between early trauma of circumcision and alexithymia-type personality disorders. The study, by Dan Bollinger and Robert S. Van Howe, MD, MS, FAAP, found that circumcised men are 60% more likely to suffer from alexithymia, the inability to feel emotions.

    People with alexithymia have difficulty identifying and expressing their emotions. This translates not able to sympathize with others. Suffering from severe alexithymia are so far from their feelings that they consider themselves to be robots. If it was done at an early age (infantile circumcision), this could limit access to language and hinder the process of socialization that begins early in life. Alexithymia at a moderate or high stage can interfere with personal relationships and even interfere with psychotherapies. Impulsive behavior is a key symptom of alexithymia and impulsivity is a precursor to violence.

    The idea of ​​the survey came when the authors noticed that American men (in whom fairly common circumcision) had higher scores than European alexithymic men (for whom circumcision is of lesser concern), and that European men achieved the same scores as European and American women.

    A frequent pattern that decides fathers to circumcise their son they "look alike" more, but the authors assume an unconscious motivation so that they "feel like," but rather in other words "just as distant and Emotionally unavailable than themselves ". It was beyond the design of this study to test this, and yet the comments received from circumcised participants spoke of a great psychic wound, which, if left unchecked, could lead to an unconscious desire to repeat this Trauma on others.

    The authors recommend that more research be done on this subject, but in the meantime, parents considering their infant son's circumcision should be advised that circumcision may increase the risk of alexithymia for their son, Identify and express feelings, and this one could develop impulsive behavior. Psychologists advise alexithymic patients to investigate their childhood and neonatal history with possible traumatic events, including circumcision.

    If this trend of men suffering from circumcision-related trauma is true for the general population, which would constitute a major mental health problem, and considering that three-quarters of the American male population is circumcised, a public health problem , also.

    Alexithymia comes from the ancient Greek, "not having words for feelings. "It was invented by Peter Sifnos, a psychotherapist in 1973 to describe a state of deficiency in understanding or feeling emotions. Alexithymia tends to be persistent and chronic, and does not decrease with time. This is different from reactions based on other traumas, such as post-traumatic stress disorder, which usually dissipate quickly after the trauma.
    In terms of hermetic philosophy the act of cutting the foreskin is tantamount to severing the connection between the left and right hemispheres of the brain, resulting in a preponderance for left hemisphere dominant thinking...in terms of the four temperaments as elucidated by renaissance philosophers, this results in circumcised people tending be either more choleric or melancholic...



    Melancholic people tend to be very set in their ways and culturally rigid (good at following orders from authority figures)...whereas the cholerics can be very warlike with a superiority complex that makes them aggressive, confrontational, arrogant, self centred and dismissive of others feelings and opinions.



    To see how these personality types can negatively impact a society, you only have to do a study of the jewish wars in the first century BC, where the choleric form of Judaism branched off from the other, more tolerant and passive sects, to begin a campaign of "circumcision or death"...the jews turned against each other to the point that the atrocities committed by the rabbid branch of zealots, against their more tolerant jewish brothers, was enough to force the hand of the romans to campaign against the jews and attempt to wipe them out.

    Even in todays world, America is one of the countries where the highest population of men are circumcised (regardless of faith) and America also happens to be one of the most materialistic and warring nations on the planet...coincidence? Or by design of their Zionist masters?

    To see further how left brain dominance versus right brain dominance can impact a persons personality and temperament...studying Ian Mcgilchrists work on the divided brain is essential...

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    I get that this was done for a misguided belief systems 50 years ago by the medical profession. However if you have ever had to keep a new born from wiggling and crying inconsolably while a surgeon takes 20 minutes to chop off the body part of a little man without anesthetic needs to be brought up before the magistrate for cruelty. Yes I did this while I was training as an RN for a Brethren Father (because no other RN would do it) and I note that some Rabbis continue to chew it off.............. WARNING disturbing content. (Little people are dying from Herpes)

    It really needs to stop. You might as well chop your eyelids off - this has the same protective covering

    Let the adult man choose if he want this or not. It cannot be the right of any parent to mutilate their child.
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    Quote Posted by dynamo (here)
    IMO, it comes down to this, plain and simple:
    Whatever intelligence created humankind would not make such a mistake as to add skin that was not meant to be there, especially in such an important part of the body.
    Unless it is for a severe medical reason and is not causing any pain or suffering, best to leave well enough alone.
    Of course, that is just my opinion.
    well science declared that 95% or so of our DNA is junk. guess that makes us all junkies words such as "science" "studies" "laboratory" "group of scientist" actually kick off my alarm bells every time.

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    Quote Posted by Bubu (here)
    well science declared that 95% or so of our DNA is junk. guess that makes us all junkies words such as "science" "studies" "laboratory" "group of scientist" actually kick off my alarm bells every time.
    You do realise this is Project Avalon...the place 'where science and and spirituality meet' as it describes in the heading banner at the top of the forum...filtering the good from bad science is the aim of the game

    Personally I wouldn't buy the 'junk DNA' myth for an instant, that's just lazy science, especially since Russian 'investigators' have been saying for years that what the western Zio-media classes as junk, they've discovered serves an important purpose...that purpose being 'the storing, sending and receiving of information' or 'a biological internet' as they've come to call it...

    http://www.rexresearch.com/gajarev/gajarev.htm

    Instead of junkies then that would make us all just listeners and communicators of ideas...

    And in the spirit of genuine science (the quest for identifying the testable, repeatable, objective and universal laws of the natural world)...I'd agree that its important not to accept other people's ideas at face value, which would be to accept their dogma, but to filter those ideas through the crucible of personal experience and objective reason...only then do we get to the heart of the issues we're here to learn about and discern the essence of as we share our thoughts on this forum.

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    Iceland's proposed ban on the barbaric practice of child circumcision has Jewish leaders upset

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    © P. Deliss / Global Look Press

    Should Iceland outlaw circumcision for boys - a common practice among Jews and Muslims - it will prevent Jewish communities from being established in the country, Jewish leaders warn.

    A bill that would ban the non-medical circumcision of boys younger than 18 has triggered a strong reaction from the heads of Scandinavian Jewish communities. It was submitted by members of four parties and would also punish offenders with up to six years in prison.

    In a joint letter, representatives of Jewish communities and councils in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland warn Iceland against becoming "the only country to ban one of the most central, if not the most central rite in the Jewish tradition, in modern times," urging it to follow Norway, where right to circumcision is protected by law.

    Throughout history, "more than one oppressive regime" tried "to suppress our people and eradicate Judaism by prohibiting our religious practices," the letter reads.

    With around 250 Jews living in Iceland without any organized community, banning the ritual, which is obligatory in Judaism, "will be an effective deterrent and will guarantee that no Jewish community will be established," the letter warns.

    The letter "might be perceived as meddling in Iceland's internal affairs," the writers admit. "And why should we care? "they ask. Because Iceland is "about to attack Judaism in a way that concerns Jews all over the world."

    "If any country with next to no Christian inhabitants would ban a central rite in Christianity, like communion for instance, we are certain that the whole Christian world would react as well."

    The Catholic community of the EU, however, also condemned the bill, saying it considers "any attempt on the fundamental right to freedom of religion as unacceptable."

    "The criminalisation of circumcision is a very grave measure that raises deep concern," the Catholic Church in the European Union (COMECE) president and head of the Catholic Church in Germany, Cardinal Reinhard Marx, said.

    Icelandic MP Silja Dögg Gunnarsdóttir from the Progressive Party, which proposed the bill, sees it as "a child protection matter."

    "In Iceland we acknowledge the right to believe but we also acknowledge the right and freedom of everyone to choose and have their opinions," she told Euronews.

    The debate comes as Chabad, a prominent Jewish Orthodox organization, is set to send a rabbi to Reykjavic, the "last European capital" without one.

    "We hope to bring this awareness to local Icelandic people and especially to lawmakers in their decision on rules, which we hope will have a religious exemption clause," Rabbi Avi Feldman said.

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    Iceland's proposed ban on the barbaric practice of child circumcision has Jewish leaders upset

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    © P. Deliss / Global Look Press

    Should Iceland outlaw circumcision for boys - a common practice among Jews and Muslims - it will prevent Jewish communities from being established in the country, Jewish leaders warn.

    A bill that would ban the non-medical circumcision of boys younger than 18 has triggered a strong reaction from the heads of Scandinavian Jewish communities. It was submitted by members of four parties and would also punish offenders with up to six years in prison.

    In a joint letter, representatives of Jewish communities and councils in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland warn Iceland against becoming "the only country to ban one of the most central, if not the most central rite in the Jewish tradition, in modern times," urging it to follow Norway, where right to circumcision is protected by law.

    Throughout history, "more than one oppressive regime" tried "to suppress our people and eradicate Judaism by prohibiting our religious practices," the letter reads.

    With around 250 Jews living in Iceland without any organized community, banning the ritual, which is obligatory in Judaism, "will be an effective deterrent and will guarantee that no Jewish community will be established," the letter warns.

    The letter "might be perceived as meddling in Iceland's internal affairs," the writers admit. "And why should we care? "they ask. Because Iceland is "about to attack Judaism in a way that concerns Jews all over the world."

    "If any country with next to no Christian inhabitants would ban a central rite in Christianity, like communion for instance, we are certain that the whole Christian world would react as well."

    The Catholic community of the EU, however, also condemned the bill, saying it considers "any attempt on the fundamental right to freedom of religion as unacceptable."

    "The criminalisation of circumcision is a very grave measure that raises deep concern," the Catholic Church in the European Union (COMECE) president and head of the Catholic Church in Germany, Cardinal Reinhard Marx, said.

    Icelandic MP Silja Dögg Gunnarsdóttir from the Progressive Party, which proposed the bill, sees it as "a child protection matter."

    "In Iceland we acknowledge the right to believe but we also acknowledge the right and freedom of everyone to choose and have their opinions," she told Euronews.

    The debate comes as Chabad, a prominent Jewish Orthodox organization, is set to send a rabbi to Reykjavic, the "last European capital" without one.

    "We hope to bring this awareness to local Icelandic people and especially to lawmakers in their decision on rules, which we hope will have a religious exemption clause," Rabbi Avi Feldman said.













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    Barbaric "religious" custom that falls under the chapter of "Genital Mutilation."
    Muslims do it too, but when the kid is getting to be a teenager (8 to 12).

    I love to icelandic people - they first put their 1% in jai after banks robbing them, then they would suppress the circumcision, which make sense. They have guts to go against the Jewish and Muslim lobbies.
    Last edited by Flash; 16th February 2018 at 17:24.
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