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    Default Amelia Earhart Mystery : Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner ?

    The fate of Amelia has been speculated for 80 years , a new photo suggests that
    she and her co pilot may have been rescued and detained ? Local legend says
    this was the case but no official acknowledgement from the US or Japanese has
    confirmed this and the presumption was/is officially they probably ditched/crashed
    into the sea and died .

    Yoichi Shimatsu tells Jeff Rense in # 2 that it was common knowledge that she
    was covertly spying sensitive airfields and was tried and eventually executed and
    this was covered up.

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    These Are the Final Moments of Amelia Earhart on the Ground

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7unHEeJkKww

    Published on 30 Jun 2017
    In 1937, Amelia Earhart was about to embark on a record-setting flight around the
    world. In her final moments, she took her last photograph and set off from a Burbank,
    California airstrip, captured in recently recovered home movie footage.

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    Amelia Earhart: Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner?

    A newly-discovered photo suggests legendary US pilot Amelia Earhart might have died
    in Japanese custody - and not in a plane crash in the Pacific. If true, it would solve one
    of aviation history's biggest mysteries. Earhart vanished during a 1937 flight over the
    Pacific - and her disappearance has been a breeding ground for speculation ever since.
    A photograph from the 1930s shows a figure that could be her, taken on the then-
    Japanese Marshall Islands.


    The fate of Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan has long fascinated historians

    read more...

    These magnified details of the new picture are alleged to show (from left), navigator
    Fred Noonan, Earhart herself, and their plane

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40515754

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    New clue may reveal answer to Amelia Earhart disappearance

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjDhPBLKoHQ

    Published on 5 Jul 2017

    It was 80 years ago this week that Amelia Earhart disappeared in the south Pacific and
    made headlines around the world. Chip Reid reports that there's a new clue in the
    greatest mysteries in aviation history.

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    Did Amelia Earhart Survive? Newly Released Photo Has The World Buzzing | NBC Nightly News



    Published on 5 Jul 2017
    A newly discovered photograph suggests that Amelia Earhart, who vanished 80 years
    ago on a round-the-world flight, may have survived a crash-landing near the Marshall
    Islands.

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    All the theories of Amelia Earhart's mystery disappearance

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/06/us...ies/index.html
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    Jeff & Dick Allgire, Yoichi Shimatsu - What Really Happened To Amelia Earhart!


    Published on 6 Jul 2017

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    Rival Author thinks its absurd....

    Expert Believes New Amelia Earhart Photo Is Not Her



    Published on 6 Jul 2017


    A controversial photo said to show the legendary aviator Amelia Earhart is making
    headlines around the world, but a leading expert now says that is not the missing
    pilot. The photo is featured in a forthcoming History Channel documentary, 'Amelia
    Earhart: The Lost Evidence', which airs Sunday. "This photo is absurd. The claims
    being made about this photo are irresponsible," Mike Campbell, who is author of
    'Amelia Earhart: The Truth At Last', told Inside Edition.

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    Default Re: Amelia Earhart Mystery : Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner ?

    I just finished listening to the Rense interview; yes, I believe she was a dispensible pawn in a game of much larger scope that she and Noonan were completely unaware of;

    but if she and Noonan had really been executed, why did the US Gov't not publicize this to incite more hatred against the Japanese to get more public opinion about warring with Japan?- this is what I don't understand;

    other sources state Earhardt/Noonan were released, freighted back to the US and given new identities;

    I don't know what to believe; but I think the Earhardt issue was just so HUGE (whatever it was) that the lid of censorship must still, after all these years, cover the pot;

    use discretion with the History Channel; not everything they present is the truth-

    be well all-

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    Quote use discretion with the History Channel; not everything they present is the truth-
    I have not looked into this before in any detail and like many of these mysteries
    they get bigger in the telling, but there is often truth to them and the locals
    often have knowledge that is ignored as hearsay.....


    This is from a few years ago and is quite compelling from a vet who served
    in Saipan. If the Japanese found her camera and developed it and there
    were pictures of then secret military airfields at a time conflict may be
    brewing between Japan and the west. They may well of been considered
    spies and executed......

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    War Vet Claims That Amelia Earhart was Executed in Saipan



    Published on 31 Jul 2013
    WWII Veteran Art Crino claims that Amelia Earhart was captured and
    executed in Saipan, which was under control by the Japanese since
    WWI until it was recaptured by the United States in 1944.

    One of the reasons that Crino believes in Earhart's demise derives
    from his personal experience in Saipan during his time serving
    during WWII. He also believes that Earhart may have been serving
    as a spy for the United States, having a spy camera equipped on her plane.
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    Default Re: Amelia Earhart Mystery : Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner ?

    Mixed accounts but a general theme that she was on Saipan , Its dated
    2013 at the end of the vid...But the clips are mainly from the 1980's.

    Eyewitnesses on Saipan Amelia Earhart


    Published 2013

    This is an edited clip of the footage that Mike Harris and I shot while on Saipan.
    Included are new eyewitnesses who claim they or their relatives saw Amelia
    Earhart after she disappeared in 1937. There's more info and details on Earhart
    On Saipan com, but this clip dovetails with the recent reports of finding pieces
    of her plane on Mili Atoll. People may not like what these folks are saying - that
    Amelia was arrested and incarcerated in prison, that she was buried on Saipan,
    her body recovered, her plane and briefcase found, her plane was destroyed and
    buried by US forces - but important to remember these are eyewitness accounts.
    From US Marines, US war veterans, and people on Saipan who are amused by
    people who show up without any knowledge of the island. Saipan was claimed
    by Germany, sold to Spain, then became Japanese, and was part of Japan
    territory until 1944. (It was then run by the CIA until 1963, and is now US
    territory, so when you land at the airport it says "Welcome to the US." No
    different than Puerto Rico. So when her plane was picked up from Mili Atoll by
    the Japanese in 1937, according to these reports, it was taken to Japanese
    territory, where their Naval Headquarters was located. (Much the way Pearl
    Harbor was considered US territory, even though it was yet to be a state in 1941.)
    She was incarcerated on Japanese territory, in a Japanese cell by the Japanese
    authorities. Her briefcase was found by US Marine Robert Wallack, her plane was
    found on Aslito airfield by US Marines in June of 44, and US Marine E. Julious
    Nabers under command of Lewis Wallace, decoded the messages that it had
    been found and was ordered to guard it. He says he guarded the plane on Aslito
    for 24 hours then decoded messages the military was going to fly it, and eventually
    destroy it. Other veterans (in this footage) saw it, and eventually watched as it was
    destroyed under orders from the Navy Dept. The plane was buried on the runway,
    which is now an international airfield. However, we have information as to where
    that location is, and have gotten the permits to survey the airfield. We plan on
    returning to do just that.

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    This is the talk to go with the witness vid above......


    Amelia Earhart on Saipan talk - "Beyond a Shadow of a Doubt"


    Published on 30 Mar 2013

    Mike Harris, Rich Martini & Paul Cooper discuss their findings while on Saipan examining
    the eyewitness accounts that Amelia Earhart had been incarcerated there after she
    disappeared in 1937. Armed with 17 new eyewitness reports from locals that have never
    been before recorded, and 6 US Marines who claim they saw her airplane, the Electra on
    Saipan, a former President of the Chamber of Commerce of Saipan announces that he
    believes "beyond a shadow of a doubt" she was there on Saipan and that her plane was
    there as well. For more information please visit EarhartOnSaipan com
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    Default Re: Amelia Earhart Mystery : Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner ?

    The Battle for Saipan was a violent bloody affair where the fanatical Japanese Garrison
    fought nearly to the last man , and many civilians also got caught in the crossfire and
    bombardments. The Island was an important part of the imperial defence and with its
    loss the US were able to use its airfield to bomb the Japanese mainland. So in the
    frantic panic before the invasion the killing of a few prisoners would be easy to
    envisage especially as the mind set of the secret military police was fanatical and
    they probably died in the oncoming slaughter of the overwhelming US fire power.

    This documentary was made at the time and although has propaganda elements
    in it is a good representation of the horrors of the campaign.

    WWII in the PACIFIC | Fight for Saipan, Mariana Islands | 1944 | Documentary Film

    Edit: ( This may not be the original vid posted as it timed out )


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saipan
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    Default Re: Amelia Earhart Mystery : Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner ?

    Conflicting theories from a decade ago....

    Where's Amelia Earhart? | National Geographic

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUR8r06EtVE

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    Amelia Earhart Plane Found' 76 Year Old Mystery Solved



    Finding Amelia with Hard Facts and Sound Science



    Published on 11 Aug 2016

    Powerpoint presentation given by TIGHAR Executive Director Ric Gillespie at The Collider in Asheville, NC on August 5, 2016
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    Default Re: Amelia Earhart Mystery : Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner ?

    Here's the much-vaunted History Channel documentary, from last night:


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    Default Re: Amelia Earhart Mystery : Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner ?

    This video was blocked on copyright grounds...I'm sure it will be aired many times on the History Channel!

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    Default Re: Amelia Earhart Mystery : Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner ?

    Quote Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
    This video was blocked on copyright grounds...I'm sure it will be aired many times on the History Channel!
    Now here:

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    The Guardian (11 July) : Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan

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    Documentary claimed photo showed aviator on Japanese-held Marshall Islands in 1937, but image was found in book published two years earlier
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    [The woman said to resemble pilot Amelia Earhart is seen sitting on the dock in the centre of the picture. Photograph: Reuters]

    Claims made in a US documentary that the pioneering aviator Amelia Earhart crash-landed on the Marshall Islands in the Pacific Ocean and was taken prisoner by the Japanese appear to have been proved false by a photograph unearthed in a travel book.

    The History Channel documentary, Amelia Earhart: The Lost Evidence, which aired in the US on Sunday, made the claim that the American and her navigator, Fred Noonan, ended up in Japanese custody based on a photograph discovered in the US national archives that purported to show them standing at a harbour on one of the islands.

    The film said the image “may hold the key to solving one of history’s all-time greatest mysteries” and suggested it disproved the widely accepted theory that Earhart and Noonan disappeared over the western Pacific on 2 July 1937 near the end of their attempt at a history-making flight around the world.

    But serious doubts now surround the film’s premise after a Tokyo-based blogger unearthed the same photograph in the archives of the National Diet Library, Japan’s national library.

    The image was part of a Japanese-language travelogue about the South Seas that was published almost two years before Earhart disappeared. Page 113 states the book was published in Japanese-held Palau on 10 October 1935.

    The caption beneath the image makes no mention of the identities of the people in the photograph. It describes maritime activity at the harbour on Jabor in the Jaluit atoll – the headquarters for Japan’s administration of the Marshall Islands between the first world war and its defeat in the second world war.

    The caption notes that monthly races between schooners belonging to local tribal leaders and other vessels turned the port into a “bustling spectacle”.

    Kota Yamano, a military history blogger who unearthed the Japanese photograph, said it took him just 30 minutes to effectively debunk the documentary’s central claim.

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    [Amelia Earhart with her navigator, Captain Fred Noonan, in the hangar at Parnamerim airfield, Natal, Brazil, 11 June 1937. Photograph: Topical Press Agency/Getty Images]

    “I have never believed the theory that Earhart was captured by the Japanese military, so I decided to find out for myself,” Yamano told the Guardian. “I was sure that the same photo must be on record in Japan.”

    Yamano ran an online search using the keyword “Jaluit atoll” and a decade-long timeframe starting in 1930.

    “The photo was the 10th item that came up,” he said. “I was really happy when I saw it. I find it strange that the documentary makers didn’t confirm the date of the photograph or the publication in which it originally appeared. That’s the first thing they should have done.”

    Yamano’s Twitter post fuelled social media discussion of the possible cause of Earhart’s disappearance and criticism of the History Channel documentary.

    The photograph shows a woman with her back to the camera, whom the film suggests is Earhart, alongside a man – purportedly Noonan – whose face is visible, with other people standing on a dock on Jaluit atoll in the Marshall Islands.

    Earhart and Noonan were last seen taking off in her twin-engine Lockheed Electra on 2 July 1937, from Papua New Guinea en route to Howland Island, about 2,500 miles away.

    [The article continues ...]

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    Default Re: Amelia Earhart Mystery : Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner ?

    1) That's pretty interesting... but it has to be explained how come that ship in the background, towing the barge (which sure looks like it has a 38 ft long airplane on it) has definitively been identified as the Koshu.

    2) Separately, I listened to the fascinating Jeff Rense interview here...



    ... and then watched the documentary, here.
    If anyone else has followed the same sequence, then go back and listen to the Rense interview again. It's very well worth it, I promise.

    The link between these two parts of my post is that it doesn't really matter at all if the photo shows Earhart and Noonan or not... it appears to be extremely compelling that the History Channel has the story correct, in my strong opinion, based on what I feel I know and understand.

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    Default Re: Amelia Earhart Mystery : Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner ?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    1) That's pretty interesting... but it has to be explained how come that ship in the background, towing the barge (which sure looks like it has a 38 ft long airplane on it) has definitively been identified as the Koshu.
    Oh, not that I have any great interest in this case, nor am I attempting to presume to know the "truth of the matter", as it was only because I came across this Story yesterday in a newspaper (not the Guardian) and remembered seeing it mentioned here on the Avalon Forums that I posted what I did earlier today !

    Now, just to add to the mix of "available information" (or evidence), in reading the English version of Kota Yamano's blog (The Lost Evidence Photo published 2 years before Amelia Earhart's disappearance), it would seem that there is more than one Ship named "Koshu" eh ?

    Quote from the Blog :

    Quote So the photograph was taken at least two years before Amelia Earhart disappeared in 1937 and a person on the photo was not her
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    Amelia Earhart disappearance '99 percent' solved
    Fox News


    Published on 7 Mar 2018
    The 81-year-old mystery surrounding American aviator Amelia Earhart’s
    disappearance has baffled sleuths for decades, but a U.S. forensic expert
    has published new evidence in ‘Forensic Anthropology’ that bones discovered
    on Nikumaroro Island may be hers.


    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1039910/pg1

    https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/304555993541578141/

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    Amelia Earhart's remains may have been found decades ago
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    Published on 8 Mar 2018
    Amelia Earhart disappeared during an attempt to fly around the world in 1937. Her
    whereabouts have remained a mystery, but new research from the University of
    Tennessee reveals where the famous adventurer may have wound up. Reena Ninan has more.

    https://www.seeker.com/earharts-fina...766067187.html
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    Amelia Earhart disappearance '99 percent' solved
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    That's the very well known TIGHAR story. For a broader perspective, including detailed testimony from the Marshall Islanders, this documentary is highly recommended:

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    This is an update on post 16, Aviation curator Dorothy Cochrane disagrees
    with both theories...

    Amelia Earhart found?
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    Published on 12 Mar 2018
    For more than 80-years the disappearance of Amelia Earhart has sparked
    countless theories. Aviation curator Dorothy Cochrane joins 'The Story' to
    share her revelations on one of our nation's greatest mysteries.

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    As soon as I saw the curator was from the Smithsonian, I had a hard time believing any thing she said.
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    Default Re: Amelia Earhart Mystery : Does photo show she died a Japanese prisoner ?

    Have to say that to me, the photograph is unconvincing; for a start, the aircraft behind the boat isn't the one Amelia was flying - see post #6 (it was twin-engined, & clearly the one in the photo isn't. Also notice the tailplane; Amelia's airplane has two small vertical fins). The people circled really could be anyone?

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