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    Enjoy.

    My YouTube text:

    ~~~
    Recorded on 6 July 2017, this is a groundbreaking conversation with Richard Dolan, one of the very most respected and arguably important voices in Ufology.

    For many months, Richard has said almost nothing about the widespread, concerning, serious problems of 'whistleblower' credibility. Here, at last, he speaks out, in full; and while he is careful and respectful as always, he does NOT mince his words.

    To put it simply: Richard makes new, clear, on-record statements, and breaks new ground. Anyone who cares about the current serious problems in the Ufology research community has to hear this out, in full... right to the very end.

    The problems, as many reading this will know, have been caused by various degrees of irresponsibility and/or very sloppy vetting (in some cases, no vetting whatsoever), and the over-eagerness of some individuals and organizations to offer celebrity platforms for claimed 'witnesses' who, Richard Dolan and Bill Ryan both argue cogently, have almost no credibility whatsoever.

    Contrary to the inevitable claims of some, this is not an 'attack'. This is a DEFENSE of the field, a commitment — and a call to others — to retain respectability and high standards of evidence and research.

    This is ALL about standards. And some people and organizations out there may not care an iota about research standards; their agenda seems to be sensationalism, popularity, money, commercialism, and a disturbingly populist, cult-like 'New Age' message that belongs NOWHERE in this serious field of research.

    Here are a bunch of links that may be important and valuable.

    The original, 17 year old '20-and-back' story, meticulously detailed and published in two free books, that many (including Michael and Stephanie Relfe) believe was plagiarized by Corey Goode:
    * Stephanie Relfe's e-mail to Bill Ryan, 4 June 2017:
    Dear Bill,
    Thank you for your words of support re The Mars Records and enlightening people about Goode.
    We have posted your interview at http://TheMarsRecords.com.
    Best regards, Stephanie Relfe
    The interview Stephanie Relfe refers to is Bill Ryan's 3-part interview with Daniel Liszt, the 'Dark Journalist':
    1. http://youtube.com/watch?v=qApt0XhbS0E
    2. http://youtube.com/watch?v=p0ct3YAqEtM
    3. http://youtube.com/watch?v=hp0yEEtDmjA
    Kevin Randle's 4 July 2017 blog post, entitled "Are Some Tales Just too Wild to Believe: Corey Goode and Andrew Basiago":
    Bill Ryan's 2007 'Jumproom to Mars' conversation with David Wilcock: (Ryan was the first to coin the word JUMPROOM that Basiago always uses. Prior to his invention of the term, IT DID NOT EXIST... a clear marker of conscious or unconscious plagiarism):
    'Jumproom to Mars' transcript:
    Raw, unedited, mp3 files of Corey Goode's original interview with Christine Anderson, Sept-Oct 2014:
    * Note: this is discussed at length by Richard Dolan and Bill Ryan, but in this, his very first interview, Corey Goode never ONCE mentioned the 'Blue Avians', the 20-and-back' program, or even the word 'Mars'. All that suddenly happened later, as soon as he was granted a high-profile TV platform.)

    Bill Ryan's original 'The Truth About Corey Goode' piece:
    More details published by Bill Ryan in reply to Corey Goode's rejoinder:
    MP3 audio of this video conversation:
    Richard Dolan contact:
    Bill Ryan contact:
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    Donate to the Project Avalon forum (thank you!! Genuinely needed)
    And lastly, here's a zip file of all the images used in this video (21 Mb):
    Thanks to everyone ~~ let's all work together to restore respectability and high standards to this very important field.
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    Default Re: Richard Dolan talks to Bill Ryan in depth: Corey Goode, Andy Basiago, Bill Tompkins, MUFON, and more

    This is something I've been waiting for , now all we need is a 'google hangout'
    with Richard , Bill , Joseph Farrell moderated by Dark Journalist .....

    you may need to delete this thread...
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1165772


    From Bill: Yes, deleted, many thx.
    Nothing lost there, and the two threads were posted at almost exactly the same time.

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    Default Re: Richard Dolan talks to Bill Ryan in depth: Corey Goode, Andy Basiago, Bill Tompkins, MUFON, and more

    I cannot think of two people in UFOlogy whose opinion/s I value more....

    Love the intro graphic by the way.

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    Default Re: Richard Dolan talks to Bill Ryan in depth: Corey Goode, Andy Basiago, Bill Tompkins, MUFON, and more

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Raw, unedited, mp3 files of Corey Goode's original interview with Christine Anderson, Sept-Oct 2014:
    I've never seen the transcript for this online
    Could you post it Bill?

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    Default Re: Richard Dolan talks to Bill Ryan in depth: Corey Goode, Andy Basiago, Bill Tompkins, MUFON, and more

    Alex made it clear, and then VERY clear he did NOT buy what R D Steele said about children on Mars. Kerry C then did and interview with RDS 2 days later and he said nothing of value, even got angry with Kerry for asking. RDS had been caught swallowing BS off the web. To imply other wise is dishonest, Bill Ryan. You let Richard D think that he has been shunned and shut out on the subject by Alex Jones. Astounding!!!

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    Default Re: Richard Dolan talks to Bill Ryan in depth: Corey Goode, Andy Basiago, Bill Tompkins, MUFON, and more

    Very good conversation as I knew it would be ........Only a couple
    of criticisms , not long enough and when is part 2 ? You touched on a lot
    of topics and with the combined knowledge and experience in ufology
    and related subjects of the pair of you there could be a series of head to
    heads a bit like QI covering the A-Z of whistle blowers and dreamers.
    From the 50/60's thru to today as you touched upon in the vid , or any other
    related topic come to that.

    I think Richard may get the Trump G20 treatment at MUFON, which will be
    interesting if they have listened to this , though it will not bother him by
    the sounds of it. It will be a good time after for a part 2 if it can be arranged.
    Anyway cheers Bill


    This will only apply to older UK members but it had a Derek & Clive or
    Smith and Jones vibe to me , both very successful double acts....LOL



    ================================================== =

    MUFON SYMPOSIUM 2017 - A CASE FOR THE SECRET SPACE PROGRAM



    There is a wide range of guests including Gary who I thought was still wanted
    by the US authorities ? UK PM Mrs May blocked extradition when she was Home
    secretary , hopefully that covers visiting the US , I presume they have checked ?
    I cannot find ref to a pardon by President Obama or the charges being dropped,
    Uhm ! could be a short presentation. I originally thought he may be doing it
    via Skype , but it does not say. He must of checked if he is physically going over....

    11:55am – 12:55pm Gary McKinnon “Stealing the Truth”

    https://www.mufonsymposium.com/schedule



    Hacker Gary McKinnon will not face UK charges
    14 December 2012

    Quote "But I am disappointed because the extradition warrant is still outstanding
    because he can't travel anywhere outside of the UK and will have this hanging over
    him until it's resolved.
    Read More,,,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20730627
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    MIRROR ON LINE....
    Anonymous names British computer whiz Gary McKinnon the 'most dangerous
    hacker of all time'

    The IT genius, who has Asperger’s, broke into 97 Pentagon and NASA computers –
    stealing passwords, deleting files and shutting down networks

    ByStephen Stewart,09:10, 22 DEC 2015
    Updated16:21, 22 DEC 2015

    read more...
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...r-whiz-7054952

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_M...al_proceedings
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    Default Re: Richard Dolan talks to Bill Ryan in depth: Corey Goode, Andy Basiago, Bill Tompkins, MUFON, and more

    I found it interesting that a detail that particularly piqued Dolan's interest was Bill's revelation that Basiago added a lot of detail about his Mars adventures subsequent to his early four hour conversation with Bill. This suggests to me...and I wonder if Richard has the same sense...that he is not just 'committed,' to a belief, but possibly and consciously making things up.

    He may have an altogether new form of mental illness though.

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    Richard Dolan and Bill, great discussion.
    Informative.
    Respectful to everyone concerned.

    Yeah!! to a follow up with yous guys!

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    Oh Running Deer, the deer and popcorn LOL!

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    Default Re: Richard Dolan talks to Bill Ryan in depth: Corey Goode, Andy Basiago, Bill Tompkins, MUFON, and more

    I kind of wish Richard Dolan took over the Dark Journalist show - as much as I listen to almost every episode of his, this one was just so much better, on so many levels. I also hope for a sequel or 15 ...

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    Default Re: Richard Dolan talks to Bill Ryan in depth: Corey Goode, Andy Basiago, Bill Tompkins, MUFON, and more

    Quote Posted by HaveBlue (here)
    Alex made it clear, and then VERY clear he did NOT buy what R D Steele said about children on Mars. Kerry C then did and interview with RDS 2 days later and he said nothing of value, even got angry with Kerry for asking. RDS had been caught swallowing BS off the web. To imply other wise is dishonest, Bill Ryan. You let Richard D think that he has been shunned and shut out on the subject by Alex Jones. Astounding!!!
    Yes, but this isn't the point, you see. To ask a rhetorical question: how many times have Alex's guests ever talked about colonies on Mars, and the Secret Space Program?

    You could probably count them on the fingers of half a hand. Maybe the fingers of a fifth of one.

    The other points I was making were that NASA mainstream-published a formal denial (like, huh???)— and also that RDS had got his 'inside info' copied-and-pasted straight from the Goode/Salla camp, but at the same time, a few days later, had declined an interview on the subject with me, that our mutual friend (an Avalon member, btw) had tried his best to broker.

    One or two things might be not quite right with that whole picture. It smells like a setup — and Alex may well not have been part of it, not at all.

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    NASA issuing a formal denial! That is fall on the floor funny.

    Of course they had ulterior motives. They got ahead of the curve by actually drawing attention towards clandestine operations and framing them in a way that suits their purposes. They have used this as a vaccine to prevent the disease of collective curiosity.

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    Errr, actually, I think it will work in the opposite direction. For NASA to come out with a denial to something about colonies on Mars, whaw !.... If that doesn't draw attention to colonies on Mars like throwiing bakery doors open and yelling "fresh cakes" I don't know what will.
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    SOOOO tired of seeing this... seriously does NO ONE do their own research?

    He ran a perl script looking for default/blank passwords... "IT genius"... my left sock could do that, after I've hiked all day in it... it's 1 google search, a copy and paste and a tiny bit of study of which government agencies own which IP blocks to try your script on.

    This is what 14 year old kids get busted for doing all the time in their parents basements... we call them "script kiddies" and they are in no way a sophisticated hacker, or even deserve to be called "hacker" script kiddie works very well.
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    Default Re: Richard Dolan talks to Bill Ryan in depth: Corey Goode, Andy Basiago, Bill Tompkins, MUFON, and more

    Norman, they make it all look so stupid to those who don't know much about the subject. For example...imagine the degree of difficulty trying to get someone to take the secret space idea seriously after it has been mentally bundled with Nasa's denial. Contrast that with the degree of difficulty, say, a year ago.

    Their denial isn't aimed at those who understand disinformation campaigns, it is designed to prevent those who don't have a clue from ever having one!

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    I think it geniously works both of those tickets at the same time, like a lot of other stuff they are doing. it even widens the gap between those who pay attention and those who couldn't care less. Not a bad way to apply prep for different conditions applied to those divided sectors later.
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
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    The IT genius, who has Asperger’s, broke into 97 Pentagon and NASA computers –
    stealing passwords, deleting files and shutting down networks

    SOOOO tired of seeing this... seriously does NO ONE do their own research?

    He ran a perl script looking for default/blank passwords... "IT genius"... my left sock could do that, after I've hiked all day in it... it's 1 google search, a copy and paste and a tiny bit of study of which government agencies own which IP blocks to try your script on.

    This is what 14 year old kids get busted for doing all the time in their parents basements... we call them "script kiddies" and they are in no way a sophisticated hacker, or even deserve to be called "hacker" script kiddie works very well.
    Exactly. Actually, what Gary did shouldn't even be illegal. If your dumb enough to use the default password, which is password, you deserve to hacked, if you can even call it that.

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    Quote Posted by neutronstar (here)
    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
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    The IT genius, who has Asperger’s, broke into 97 Pentagon and NASA computers –
    stealing passwords, deleting files and shutting down networks

    SOOOO tired of seeing this... seriously does NO ONE do their own research?

    He ran a perl script looking for default/blank passwords... "IT genius"... my left sock could do that, after I've hiked all day in it... it's 1 google search, a copy and paste and a tiny bit of study of which government agencies own which IP blocks to try your script on.

    This is what 14 year old kids get busted for doing all the time in their parents basements... we call them "script kiddies" and they are in no way a sophisticated hacker, or even deserve to be called "hacker" script kiddie works very well.
    Exactly. Actually, what Gary did shouldn't even be illegal. If your dumb enough to use the default password, which is password, you deserve to hacked, if you can even call it that.
    Thankfully I changed all mine to "password123"
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: Richard Dolan talks to Bill Ryan in depth: Corey Goode, Andy Basiago, Bill Tompkins, MUFON, and more

    Bill and Richard seem to be on the exact same page with how this needs to play out. If the leaders in our field continue to share venues with these folks, we will be merged for sure.

    Thanks to Bill for keeping this fight relevant, professional, and without bias.

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