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    Default The false sign of September 23, 2017

    According to many people, next September 23 (2017) will be a special date. Just search the internet for this date. For years ago, many bible teachers pointed it out, and it goes without saying that the more this date comes closer, the attention for it increases.


    Hoaxes and fears :


    On September 23, 2017 the sun will be in the zodiac constellation Virgo “a woman clothed with the sun”. The moon will be at the feet of Virgo “with the moon under her feet”. The ‘nine’ stars of the zodiac constellation Leo, plus three planets (Mercury, Venus, and Mars), will be at the head of Virgo “on her head a crown of 12 stars”.

    '' A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of 12 stars. She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth … She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod.''

    The planet Jupiter will be in the center of Virgo, and, as the weeks pass after September 23, Jupiter will exit Virgo to the east, past her feet, so to speak.


    Must this not be a sign of something momentous, like the Internet sources say? No!


    The astrology and astronomy point of view :

    First, in one year, thanks to the Earth’s annual orbit, the sun travels the entirety of the ecliptic, ( sorry guys the Earth is round) and thus passes through every one of the 12 constellations of the zodiac. The sun is in Virgo every September.

    Second, in one month the moon goes through its cycle of phases, and travels the entirety of the ecliptic, and thus passes through every constellation of the zodiac all owed to the period of the moon’s orbit being one month. Therefore there is always a day or two every year when the sun is in Virgo and the moon is just to the east of Virgo.

    Third, the sun in Virgo, the moon at Virgo’s “feet”, and Jupiter in the constellation are regular occurrences. This leaves the planets at the “head” (the number depending on the number of stars granted to Leo) as the determining factor in making a “momentous” celestial arrangement.

    Indeed, while various Internet sources speak of the specific celestial arrangement here as being “unique in human history” or “once in 7,000 years” in fact, it is not unique to September 23, 2017. This basic arrangement happened before in September 1827, in September 1483, in September 1293, and in September 1056.

    It is true that astrology reading the heavens for signs is something astronomers used to believe was valid (or, my guess is that many of them pretended to believe it was valid, because it paid the bills). But astrology has been found to have no more scientific basis than Harry Potter’s wand. It doesn’t work (something that does not seem to hinder its popularity). If astrology had anything going for it, astronomers would not need to go begging for money to fund astronomical research. We could just use our astronomical knowledge to divine which way the stock market was going, invest accordingly, become “astronomically” wealthy, and fund astronomical research from our surplus.

    As it is, watching the heavens for signs of what is to come is a waste of time. And it is doubly a waste of time because “signs in the sky” appeal, for some reason, to all sorts of people out there all of whom can use Stellarium to find this or that momentous “sign” signifying whatever they want to signify.


    Bottom line:


    From the standpoint of astronomy, there’s nothing unique or unusual about the sun, moon and planets or the constellation Virgo on September 23, 2017, despite claims on the Internet of a unique and significant celestial event, supposedly “mirroring” the Bible’s Book of Revelation. In the past 1,000 years, this same event has happened at least four times already, in 1827, 1483, 1293, and 1056.

    Maybe your not so familiar with Stellarium sky software. But give it a try and see for your self that this celestial arrangement a real thing.


    Hope that this thread will help you a little.

    Gaia


    Sources :

    http://www.stellarium.org/

    Swiss Ephemeris in PDF : http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_f.htm?lang=e


    https://vimeo.com/203913717
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    Default Re: The false sign of September 23, 2017

    Every year things get whipped up around September/October. It's like a cycle.

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    Default Re: The false sign of September 23, 2017

    Quote Posted by Gaia (here)
    Bottom line:

    From the standpoint of astronomy, there’s nothing unique or unusual about the sun, moon and planets or the constellation Virgo on September 23, 2017, despite claims on the Internet of a unique and significant celestial event, supposedly “mirroring” the Bible’s Book of Revelation. In the past 1,000 years, this same event has happened at least four times already, in 1827, 1483, 1293, and 1056.

    Maybe your not so familiar with Stellarium sky software. But give it a try and see for your self that this celestial arrangement a real thing.


    Hope that this thread will help you a little.

    Gaia[/url]
    September 22 1827– Joseph Smith claimed in 1838 that on this day he had taken the Golden plates from the place where they were stored, and that he began writing down the Book of Mormon from them the following December.

    November 10 1483 – Martin Luther, German monk and Protestant reformer is born

    1293: The Hindu Majapahit Empire is founded by Kertarajasa in Java. It benefits from internal conflict and Mongol intervention, to defeat the Singhasari Kingdom and establish the empire.

    1056:The Muslims expel 300 Christians from Jerusalem, and European Christians are forbidden to enter the Church of the Holy Sepulcher.

    Perhaps a religious event will be coming soon due to the alignment mentioned above. That was some of the most important events in the previous occurrences.

    The early fall was traditionally a problem for US monetary concerns due to the fact that most of the cash resided on the farms in the west from selling their crops and the banks in the east were suffering from a liquidity squeeze waiting on the farmers to buy seed in the winter, which moved it back to the east coast money centers.

    Not really due to any astral alignment.
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    Default Re: The false sign of September 23, 2017

    Maurice Cotterell has produced some fascinating work about astrology and the impact it has on humans. Specifically fertility rates and mental health among others.

    I found his work decoding temples to be fascinating. He's probably a genius.


    Great events in the heavens which caused cataclysms on Earth are believed to be what fueled our obsession with observing their movements i our sky...there is something to Astrology. I just don't know what precisely.

    I don't discount that we are being mislead by another series of hysteria inducing "non events" but that is likely to distract us from actual events that may be coming our way.



    https://www.mauricecotterell.com/


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    Default Re: The false sign of September 23, 2017

    Yes the birthing of a King from Virgo. Jupiter travels the virgin's womb/ birth canal Jupiter is locked there but will soon have a hard push and come out of her. I guess it's the mystery star/planets electro-magnetic repelling as it passes Jupiter and Venus.

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    Default Re: The false sign of September 23, 2017

    Quote Posted by mgray (here)
    Quote Posted by Gaia (here)
    Bottom line:

    From the standpoint of astronomy, there’s nothing unique or unusual about the sun, moon and planets or the constellation Virgo on September 23, 2017, despite claims on the Internet of a unique and significant celestial event, supposedly “mirroring” the Bible’s Book of Revelation. In the past 1,000 years, this same event has happened at least four times already, in 1827, 1483, 1293, and 1056.

    Maybe your not so familiar with Stellarium sky software. But give it a try and see for your self that this celestial arrangement a real thing.


    Hope that this thread will help you a little.

    Gaia[/url]
    September 22 1827– Joseph Smith claimed in 1838 that on this day he had taken the Golden plates from the place where they were stored, and that he began writing down the Book of Mormon from them the following December.

    November 10 1483 – Martin Luther, German monk and Protestant reformer is born

    1293: The Hindu Majapahit Empire is founded by Kertarajasa in Java. It benefits from internal conflict and Mongol intervention, to defeat the Singhasari Kingdom and establish the empire.

    1056:The Muslims expel 300 Christians from Jerusalem, and European Christians are forbidden to enter the Church of the Holy Sepulcher.

    Perhaps a religious event will be coming soon due to the alignment mentioned above. That was some of the most important events in the previous occurrences.

    The early fall was traditionally a problem for US monetary concerns due to the fact that most of the cash resided on the farms in the west from selling their crops and the banks in the east were suffering from a liquidity squeeze waiting on the farmers to buy seed in the winter, which moved it back to the east coast money centers.

    Not really due to any astral alignment.
    It is a interesting fact that the Constitution of the United States occured september, 17 1643. I'm not a fan of Wikipedia. But Wikipedia has devoted an entire page to the events that took place on that same date. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_17

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    Default Re: The false sign of September 23, 2017

    Quote Posted by Gaia (here)
    Quote Posted by mgray (here)
    Quote Posted by Gaia (here)
    Bottom line:

    From the standpoint of astronomy, there’s nothing unique or unusual about the sun, moon and planets or the constellation Virgo on September 23, 2017, despite claims on the Internet of a unique and significant celestial event, supposedly “mirroring” the Bible’s Book of Revelation. In the past 1,000 years, this same event has happened at least four times already, in 1827, 1483, 1293, and 1056.

    Maybe your not so familiar with Stellarium sky software. But give it a try and see for your self that this celestial arrangement a real thing.


    Hope that this thread will help you a little.

    Gaia[/url]
    September 22 1827– Joseph Smith claimed in 1838 that on this day he had taken the Golden plates from the place where they were stored, and that he began writing down the Book of Mormon from them the following December.

    November 10 1483 – Martin Luther, German monk and Protestant reformer is born

    1293: The Hindu Majapahit Empire is founded by Kertarajasa in Java. It benefits from internal conflict and Mongol intervention, to defeat the Singhasari Kingdom and establish the empire.

    1056:The Muslims expel 300 Christians from Jerusalem, and European Christians are forbidden to enter the Church of the Holy Sepulcher.

    Perhaps a religious event will be coming soon due to the alignment mentioned above. That was some of the most important events in the previous occurrences.

    The early fall was traditionally a problem for US monetary concerns due to the fact that most of the cash resided on the farms in the west from selling their crops and the banks in the east were suffering from a liquidity squeeze waiting on the farmers to buy seed in the winter, which moved it back to the east coast money centers.

    Not really due to any astral alignment.
    It is a interesting fact that the Constitution of the United States occured september, 17 1643. I'm not a fan of Wikipedia. But Wikipedia has devoted an entire page to the events that took place on that same date. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_17
    Forgive me, but this thread is about September 23, not September 17. And, more to the point, the US Constitution was not ratified, or as you say "occured", in 1643. It was ratified in 1787. According to the Wikipedia link you provided it was signed in Pennsylvania on September 17, 1787.

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