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    Default Re: 'White Liberal College Graduates’ Are ‘the Least Tolerant'

    When I was was in 8th grade back in 1970 here in Texas, I had to take a mandatory class called "Social Studies." In that class we were made to study the Constitution of the United States. Each student had to memorize and then repeat from memory the preamble to the constitution. We had to learn about the structure of our government and why it was made that way. We were taught that our government was a government with checks and balances and was the best thing going. We were taught that for democracy to work, we needed a free and fair press. And we were taught about each of the Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments) what they were about, what they stood for and why.

    Taught... or perhaps one might say... indoctrinated.

    And then came the rest of my life. And over the course of this life I have come to look at all forms of government and all forms of economic systems. I have been to other countries and experienced the people there (who are effected by other forms of government and other economic systems) and not just a few and not just one tiny cultural slice or one "color" or one religion...

    And I have come to regret that I didn't pay much attention to that 8th grade class when I started to see glimpses here and there of the wisdom behind the creation of the USA and so I went back and actually studied it all but this time with intent to consider each and every tenant put forth in the documents created by the founding fathers.

    And so I came to appreciate the United States Constitution.

    But when I talk with folks of a generation or more younger than myself, I see a trend and that trend is not only do that have little awareness of what actually went into the formation of these documents, I noticed that in the younger and younger came forth a greater attitude of not just lack of interest in what founded this country but that many had attitudes of disdain for not just the founders but for the documents of which they had no actual knowledge of the contents! How could that be?

    And so this led me to research the why and it did not take long to discover a massive takeover of most of the entire educational systems in the US by those who not only taught to indoctrinate what is now referred to as "liberalism" but they were taught to have disdain for the founding fathers and what they attempted to create and ohhhh... by the way, they just happen to be males and ohhh by the way, they just happen to be white.

    So the point that I had hoped to get to in this thread that I created here in the Politics sub-forum was to point out that it makes total sense that "White Liberal College Graduates are the least tolerant" of folks who "voted for" and "support" Donald Trump because they are taught to... they are indoctrinated to, all their friends are treated the same and everyone wants to keep their friends and keep their relationship opportunities alive and so of course they have to demonstrate themselves to be "social justice leaders!" and show zero tolerance for the evil trump whose supporters see him firmly behind the traditional interpretations of the Constitution, especially things like the 2nd amendment and who already got a conservative judge on the US Supreme Court and who is poised to get two and maybe three and even four more after his eight years are up.

    All of the above was written to put this thread aside... and since there appears to be a misinterpretation of where I was headed with the immigration thread, I will probably slam dunk that one next.

    Apologies to those who might be open to dialogue and perhaps expansion of their knowledge base.
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Default Re: 'White Liberal College Graduates’ Are ‘the Least Tolerant'

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    B.[/QUOTE..."Well , I can see that this thread has morphed into a consideration of intolerance in general, but I'd still like to chime in...."

    lol. of course you would... knock yourself out...maybe someone will read what you wrote. you must know it won't be me!! lol...
    LOL Well, thanks for the feedback, although in this one case you may be doing yourself a disfavour, because, like I said at the outset, I have to agree with VOTM.

    I gather I have upset you. I'd like to apologize for whatever I did, and ask you to continue to consider my point of view in the future. For my part, I promise I will do the same with your posts.

    Politics is a volatile area; I'd like to think that we can both agree to disagree, and keep the dialogue open. This is, after all, a forum of free exchange, and fine one at that.

    Disengage if you feel you must, but know that I hold no ill feelings toward you or your points of view. I will continue to respect all members' contributions.

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    Default Re: 'White Liberal College Graduates’ Are ‘the Least Tolerant'

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    And so I came to appreciate the United States Constitution.

    But when I talk with folks of a generation or more younger than myself, I see a trend and that trend is not only do that have little awareness of what actually went into the formation of these documents, I noticed that in the younger and younger came forth a greater attitude of not just lack of interest in what founded this country but that many had attitudes of disdain for not just the founders but for the documents of which they had no actual knowledge of the contents! How could that be?"

    Well, I'm not sure how legit these vids are, (I'm sure we've all seen a version of something like them) but while humourous, they are also undoubtedly alarming and go a long way to justifying the claim of America's dumbing down ...

    This is from last year, taken on the campus of Washington's George Mason University: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MwN5nDajWs

    And here's a quickie - same campus. Students shown an 8x10 of Ronald Reagan were unable to identify him. Kim Kardashian, on the other hand, had universal recognition:

    http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/college-k...-reagan-photo/

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    Default Re: 'White Liberal College Graduates’ Are ‘the Least Tolerant'

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    When I was was in 8th grade back in 1970 here in Texas, I had to take a mandatory class called "Social Studies." In that class we were made to study the Constitution of the United States. Each student had to memorize and then repeat from memory the preamble to the constitution. We had to learn about the structure of our government and why it was made that way. We were taught that our government was a government with checks and balances and was the best thing going. We were taught that for democracy to work, we needed a free and fair press. And we were taught about each of the Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments) what they were about, what they stood for and why.

    Taught... or perhaps one might say... indoctrinated.
    This kind of constitutional law and order and the sense of civic responsibility is about the best thing you could possibly indoctrinate someone with, when you consider the alternatives. Though it took me a while to fully appreciate that.

    I had to learn the same thing, memorize preamble, etc. etc., so it's good they at least continued this practice between your generation and mine. Generation Z'ers might not even be getting this kind of education anymore.


    Quote And so I came to appreciate the United States Constitution.

    But when I talk with folks of a generation or more younger than myself, I see a trend and that trend is not only do that have little awareness of what actually went into the formation of these documents, I noticed that in the younger and younger came forth a greater attitude of not just lack of interest in what founded this country but that many had attitudes of disdain for not just the founders but for the documents of which they had no actual knowledge of the contents! How could that be?
    It started with liberals during the Bush II years (and I was not a fan of Bush myself, to say the least) and Obama fed the fire for his whole 8 years, demonizing police and patriotic Americans, and trying to paint the entire country and our entire history in racial overtones of the rich white man and his laws keeping everyone down. Another 8 years of that and we would begin to look like South Africa under apartheid (which is coming back today).


    I think the evolution in liberal mindset went like this:


    2000: Bush stole the election from Gore! (Which he totally did btw.)
    mid 2000s: War in Iraq is illegal and immoral (which it was) and protests are being suppressed (which they were)...

    Conclusion: America is becoming fascist under right-wing dictator Bush using "muh turrsm" as an excuse for endless war. (All true enough.)

    Here comes Obama ... Says all the right ****. Even I believed him at first, and thought since he was a black man maybe he actually did represent the little people.

    BZZZZT -- Wrong answer.

    But everyone that stayed on the Obama bandwagon and kept drinking the Kool Aid went into the whole social justice spiral accelerating all this "political correctness" (social Marxism) to insane levels. All of that follows standard Communist propaganda techniques like what Alinsky promotes. No shocker since Alinsky helped make Obama. Add the well-rooted Clinton crime syndicate into the mix, running all over the world selling children, organs, drugs, etc., and you've got the incompetent, self-absorbed beginnings of a Communist failed state.

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    Then there's the rising tide (of mostly unreported) sex assaults in Europe. It's bad enough that public swimming pools have posted signs (in the offenders' languages) warning them that sexual assault is wrong:

    A public swimming pool in the town of Perchtoldsdorf, Austria has put up signs warning people not to grope women or barge into the female locker rooms, according to a story in the UK’s Sun newspaper. The posters, which translate their message in Arabic, French, and English (but not the native German) appear to be targeted towards migrants, many of whom have recently come to Austria from Northern Africa. The insinuation is clear: Middle Eastern immigrants fail to understand that their norms and values – which apparently include a daily diet of sexual assault – are not welcome in the countries that were kind enough to let them in.

    But by all means, let’s throw open the U.S. borders to all the refugees who want to migrate. What could go wrong?

    From The Sun:

    One sign shows a man entering the women’s dressing room with the word “STOP!” and “entry is forbidden in non-designated areas” written next to it.

    Another sign show a picture of a young teen in a bikini with three hands seemingly wanting to grope her.

    It reads “NO!” and explains that “physical contact with other guests is forbidden”.

    […]

    Local citizens and politicians have reacted to the apparent necessity of such signs.

    MP Christian Hoebart of the far-right Freedom Party of Austria (FPO), which is opposed to immigration, argued that the signs should not be needed in a “civilised society”.

    He wrote: “Is it once again a submission (by our society) for the mass immigration of completely uneducated and culturally alien people?”

    Why yes. Yes it is.

    http://www.fixthisnation.com/conserv...o-longer-safe/

    What kills us is how short-sighted liberals are. They want to take in a virtually-unlimited number of refugees to show the world how enlightened and gracious they are, completely oblivious to the fact that they are making their countries less liberal and open with every additional migrant they let in the door. These migrants have grown up in oppressive, fundamentalist cultures where women are barely more than vehicles for procreation and battery. They SCOFF at the very values that these liberals are trying to demonstrate by letting them into their countries. They loathe freedom and will eventually kill it, and their hosts will defend their crusade against their own culture. It’s one of the most stunning developments in global history; when have we ever seen so many countries bend over backwards to accommodate people who want to destroy everything they believe in?

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    Students Love Socialism...
    But Can't Define What It Is

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    Thanks turiya... and ties right in with my thread and leads to a point I hoped to make which is...

    "Education" in the US (and probably elsewhere too) has become anything but. When the vast portion of graduates from the US educational system say they believe in, for example, "socialism" and yet cannot define what that means, we must consider what methods are being used on these young people such that they feel compelled to support something which they don't know anything about.

    Here is an other example - "global warming / aka climate change" (as a danger and that it is predominantly caused by mankind).

    Another - Pretending the cries of concerns about forced integration of one culture into another is "religiophobia" (pick your specific religion and replace "religio" with that religion's label. Pretending the cries of concerns about forced integration of one culture into another is racism if it is a circumstance that the culture being forced in is entirely or predominantly one race or one color.

    My wonderment surrounds the lack of free thinking as if to do so risks losing something more important such as "your friend network" or the perception you think others should have about you. That so many (especially the young) are so vulnerable to this.

    And so where's the conscience among so much of today's teachers? Isn't teaching more about working with the young so that they can better think for themselves?

    Another thing I have to ask teachers that justify leftist (or any"ist") indoctrination is: "If you happen to ideologically agree with much of the tenants of the left, why would you not have the confidence to allow those tenants to stand against opposing ideas in a way your students are able to decide for themselves? Because if these students still chose a leftist ideology, wouldn't their choice not only be authentic, but create advocates who actually had a clue about what they think they believe in such that they could then go out and argue the merits?

    If a position stands on its merits, there would be no reason to force that upon the youth (the more vulnerable).
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Sam
    So very true everything you said in above post#27. Buzz words, buzz phrases and trigger points. That is their communication today. God help you if you say the wrong buzz word or buzz phrase.
    The scariest is that you can trigger them without being quite sure which of what you were saying was the trigger...

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    Sam
    So very true everything you said in above post#27. Buzz words, buzz phrases and trigger points. That is their communication today. God help you if you say the wrong buzz word or buzz phrase.
    The scariest is that you can trigger them without being quite sure which of what you were saying was the trigger...
    That's why I just start saying worse and worse politically incorrect things in front of people and just hope that it sparks a discussion, an entrance for me to defend the things I say with reason.

    Unfortunately everyone is too much of a cuck to say anything.

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    [CENTER]Students Love Socialism...
    But Can't Define What It Is
    Or Marxism. Or Communism. They don't know the histories of these things either.


    American Revolution compared to the French Revolution. The difference between the (little "r") republicans of America and the Jacobins in Paris define the core of the problem we are still having today.

    It is the difference between the ideals held up as a new standard in the US Declaration of Independence, compared to France's Declaration of the Rights of Man. The first emphasizes the sovereignty of the individual. The second emphasizes the sovereignty of the nation-state. One sets the stage for Washington, the other for Napoleon.

    Though the Jacobins are most identified with the Republicans of modern France, their form of republicanism was authoritarian at its heart, and the shady financial interests and rowdy urban mobs that brought the Jacobins to power went on to bring Marxists to power in the same way, with the same authoritarian streak at the heart of their ideologies.

    America was founded by a dying breed of Anglo-Norman-Celtic warrior people who were tough and rugged and very independent. We kept their laws and traditions and held them as sacred to us. Continental Europe became increasingly dominated by absolute monarchies, Kaisers, emperors and tzars, and the kind of freedom we initially enjoyed in this country was totally alien to those people except where some people held out more or less by force. This is why continental Europeans poured here by the thousands and millions when we were still a virtual wilderness. There was no centralized nation-state dictating how people lived and every person could be responsible for their own fate. That's the basis for our country.
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