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    Default Re: Are there ways of verifying the authenticity of some channeled messages?

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    Ok, thanks, I will do Whiskey-Mystic, and I will try not to get thrown out of the coffee shop while I am at it. Did you see my add on question regarding a game called "Gray Jedi"? Sorry if this is a totally silly question. If too off topic, could you just send me your thoughts via PM. Thank you.
    The important thing here is to get your friend to support your choice. Even if he thinks you're silly or wrong. Just ask him to do it for you anyway.

    The gray jedi thing is over my head. Sorry. And whatever you do, let the wookie win.
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    Default Re: Are there ways of verifying the authenticity of some channeled messages?

    Ok, I will do, thanks Whiskey-Mystic, even if I have to get him to cover his puppy dog eyes with sunnies while I convince him. barring that, I just won't meet with him.
    Doubt the other thing is over your head, it is probably just not true. Ha, ha, you are funny Mr Whisky.

    Thank you.
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    Default Re: Are there ways of verifying the authenticity of some channeled messages?

    Sorry, i am just being silly.
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    Default Re: Are there ways of verifying the authenticity of some channeled messages?

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    The main problem with any type of channeling is that there is no way to confirm who or what the "entities" are.
    Actually, there are very specific and reliable ways in which this is done. These methods have been handed down through established shamanic lineages for hundreds, probably thousands of years. It's just that most don't have this training because few these days are willing to submit themselves to the rigors and commitment (in time and integrity) of formal apprenticeship.
    Yes, that is a way.

    Channeling has to be examined on a case-by-case basis. They are entities being channeled that prove who they are the same way a discarnate identifies with an earth-life. They give information which cannot be known by the medium, is known by the individual who is in communication (e.g. physical mediumship seance or a Q/A with channel and channeled entity) or, better yet, is unknown by the individual who is in communication later to be found to be accurate.

    Many of the channeled entities could care less if you believe, or not, that they are extraterrestrial in origin, they could care less if you take their communications in part, whole or none at all. These entities want the focus to be on the messages not the messengers.

    They there are entities who are coming through to give a voice to your own Higher Mind, the conversations are passed through their presence to the HM, let;s say as a convenience. Imagine, we live in a physical reality that is more comfortable talking to an entity than to one's own Higher Mind. lol

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    Default Re: Are there ways of verifying the authenticity of some channeled messages?

    The Egyptian book of the dead actually has some pretty solid wisdom on testing the veracity of channelled information (this is how they communicated with their neter gods after all)...similar protocols are found in taoist, zen, shamanic traditions.

    I find the taoist protocols to be particularly humorous--they just tell you its all bull**** (illusion) and to just keep on meditating--answers will arise spontaneously from within your own, inner 'clear light of bliss' without you having to depend on external manifestations of form twisting your ego or projecting your own delusions onto the data.

    But the Egyptian protocols are as follows...

    Step 1: does the information you receive have any accurate signatures (signature means 'signs of nature') i.e. can you find analogies within the data, metaphors that hold up against natural processes within the natural world.

    Step 2: if you implement the knowledge you've gained with the intention of getting a specific result, do you get the result you desire? ('effectiveness is the measure of truth' as the Huna axiom states)

    And thats as complicated as the protocols get...

    if your channelled information doesn't have any practical, applicable, real world value...then what use is the information? you may as well just be telling yourself bedside stories, egoic entertainment.

    extended quote from the Egyptian book of the dead

    Quote Wisdom from the temples:

    The best and shortest road towards knowledge of truth [is]
    Nature.
    For every joy there is a price to be paid.
    If his heart rules him, his conscience will soon take the place
    of the rod.
    What you are doing does not matter so much as what you
    are learning from doing it. · It is better not to know and to
    know that one does not know ,than presumptuously to
    attribute some random meaning to symbols.
    If you search for the laws of harmony, you will find
    knowledge.
    If you are searching for a Neter, observe Nature!
    Exuberance is a good stimulus towards action, but the inner
    light grows in silence and concentration.
    Not the greatest Master can go even one step for his
    disciple; in himself he must experience each stage of
    developing consciousness. Therefore he will know nothing
    for which he is not ripe.
    The body is the house of God. That is why it is said, "Man
    know thyself."
    True teaching is not an accumulation of knowledge; it is an
    awakening of consciousness which goes through successive
    stages.
    The man who knows how to lead one of his brothers
    towards what he has known may one day be saved by that
    very brother.
    People bring about their own undoing through their tongues.
    If one tries to navigate unknown waters one runs the risk of
    shipwreck.
    Leave him in error who loves his error.
    Every man is rich in excuses to safeguard his prejudices, his
    instincts, and his opinions.
    To know means to record in one's memory; but to
    understand means to blend with the thing and to assimilate it
    oneself.
    There are two kinds of error: blind credulity and piecemeal
    criticism. Never believe a word without putting its truth to
    the test; discernment does not grow in laziness; and this
    faculty of discernment is indispensable to the Seeker. Sound
    skepticism is the necessary condition for good discernment;
    but piecemeal criticism is an error.
    Love is one thing, knowledge is another.
    True sages are those who give what they have, without
    meanness and without secret!
    An answer brings no illumination unless the question has
    matured to a point where it gives rise to this answer which
    thus becomes its fruit. Therefore learn how to put a
    question.
    What reveals itself to me ceases to be mysterious-for me
    alone: if I unveil it to anyone else, he hears mere words
    which betray the living sense: Profanation, but never
    revelation.
    The first concerning the 'secrets': all cognition comes from
    inside; we are therefore initiated only by ourselves, but the
    Master gives the keys.
    The second concerning the 'way': the seeker has need of a
    Master to guide him and lift him up when he falls, to lead him
    back to the right way when he strays.
    Understanding develops by degrees.
    As to deserving, know that the gift of Heaven is free; this gift
    of Knowledge is so great that no effort whatever could hope
    to 'deserve' it.
    If the Master teaches what is error, the disciple's submission
    is slavery; if he teaches truth, this submission is ennoblement.
    There grows no wheat where there is no grain.
    The only thing that is humiliating is helplessness.

    An answer if profitable in proportion to the intensity of the
    quest.
    Listen to your conviction, even if they seem absurd to your
    reason.
    Know the world in yourself. Never look for yourself in the
    world, for this would be to project your illusion

    To teach one must know the nature of those whom one is
    teaching.
    In every vital activity it is the path that matters.
    The way of knowledge is narrow.
    Each truth you learn will be, for you, as new as if it had
    never been written.
    The only active force that arises out of possession is fear of
    losing the object of possession.
    If you defy an enemy by doubting his courage you double it.
    The nut doesn't reveal the tree it contains.
    For knowledge ... you should know that peace is an
    indispensable condition of getting it.
    The first thing necessary in teaching is a master; the second
    is a pupil capable of carrying on the tradition.
    Peace is the fruit of activity, not of sleep.
    Envious greed must govern to possess and ambition must
    possess to govern.
    When the governing class isn't chosen for quality it is chosen
    for material wealth: this always means decadence, the lowest
    stage a society can reach.
    Two tendencies govern human choice and effort, the search
    after quantity and the search after quality. They classify
    mankind. Some follow Maat, others seek the way of animal
    instinct.
    Qualities of a moral order are measured by deeds.
    One foot isn't enough to walk with.
    Our senses serve to affirm, not to know.
    We mustn't confuse mastery with mimicry, knowledge with
    superstitious ignorance.
    Physical consciousness is indispensable for the achievement
    of knowledge.
    A man can't be judge of his neighbor' intelligence. His own
    vital experience is never his neighbor's.
    No discussion can throw light if it wanders from the real
    point.
    Your body is the temple of knowledge.
    Experience will show you, a Master can only point the way.
    A house has the character of the man who lives in it.
    All organs work together in the functioning of the whole.
    A man's heart is his own Neter.
    A pupil may show you by his own efforts how much he
    deserves to learn from you.
    Routine and prejudice distort vision. Each man thinks his
    own horizon is the limit of the world.
    You will free yourself when you learn to be neutral and
    follow the instructions of your heart without letting things
    perturb you. This is the way of Maat.
    Judge by cause, not by effect.
    Growth in consciousness doesn't depend on the will of the
    intellect or its possibilities but on the intensity of the inner
    urge.
    Every man must act in the rhythm of his time ... such is
    wisdom.
    Men need images. Lacking them they invent idols. Better
    then to found the images on realities that lead the true seeker
    to the source.
    Maat, who links universal to terrestrial, the divine with the
    human is incomprehensible to the cerebral intelligence.
    Have the wisdom to abandon the values of a time that has
    passed and pick out the constituents of the future. An
    environment must be suited to the age and men to their
    environment.
    Everyone finds himself in the world where he belongs. The
    essential thing is to have a fixed point from which to check
    its reality now and then.
    Always watch and follow nature.
    A phenomenon always arises from the interaction of
    complementaries. If you want something look for the
    complement that will elicit it. Set causes Horus. Horus
    redeems Set.
    All seed answer light, but the color is different.
    The plant reveals what is in the seed.
    Popular beliefs on essential matters must be examined in
    order to discover the original thought.
    It is the passive resistance from the helm that steers the boat.
    The key to all problems is the problem of consciousness.
    Man must learn to increase his sense of responsibility and of
    the fact that everything he does will have its consequences.
    If you would build something solid, don't work with wind:
    always look for a fixed point, something you know that is
    stable ... yourself.
    If you would know yourself, take yourself as starting point
    and go back to its source; your beginning will disclose your
    end.
    Images are nearer reality than cold definitions.
    Seek peacefully, you will find.
    Organization is impossible unless those who know the laws
    of harmony lay the foundation.
    It is no use whatever preaching Wisdom to men: you must
    inject it into their blood.
    Knowledge is consciousness of reality. Reality is the sum of
    the laws that govern nature and of the causes from which
    they flow.

    Social good is what brings peace to family and society.
    Knowledge is not necessarily wisdom.
    By knowing one reaches belief. By doing one gains

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    Default Re: Are there ways of verifying the authenticity of some channeled messages?

    Some folk here are still confusing their own intuition with channeling. If you are doing remote viewing, you are tuning into that part of yourself that is connected to the cosmic google. Same I imagine with dowsing. Channeling on the other hand is like a different person to yourself altogether. Dowsing, remote viewing, past life regression, is like getting the answer from yourself, the other, channeling, is literally from another source, supposedly another soul or entity or being, usually that does not have it's own body. When someone said no, you can't trust any channeling, of course, that made perfect sense, you can't.
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