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    Jobs. So obvious, isn't it? We've been told all our lives about jobs. How jobs back in the day were mostly in agriculture. How the nature of jobs changed with the industrial revolution. Jobs, jobs, jobs. But how can it be jobs that are the big thing when half the jobs pay less than it costs to live in this society? And almost all jobs are losing ground in terms of buying power (bang for your buck).

    It's not jobs we need any more than it is money.

    No. Previous generations did not have jobs, they had work. The pittance they were paid was sufficient for food, shelter, clothing. That's it. In fact, nothing has changed. The little the middle class was allowed to gain with their "jobs" is now being clawed back at an increasingly alarming rate.

    This society has gone off on a wild tangent with barely anything to do with the human condition on the ground, in the trenches. Get a job, we're told, and all will be well. This has morphed into, stay in school, or you'll be stuck with an under-paying job. Under-paying job? That's like doing work for free. It is doing work for free. Free to whom we should ask.

    What is this obsession with jobs? We need to eat we say, so we get a job. But now we send our spouses out on the same mission as well, and take ourselves a second 'job' just to make ends meet.

    We are born into this world saddled with a debt, a debt we can never repay but can defer through installments. If we work our allocated 100,000 hours over 45 years with no major disaster or incident we might be allowed a leisurely old age of relative comfort. This scenario is becoming ever more elusive a goal for a growing minority.

    Jobs? We cannot sustain this crazy scenario for much longer. Yet those this system has served use their money to perpetuate it, and insist the rest of us toe the line - oblivious to the gun to their own heads or ours (yet are the first to cry foul if that gun becomes personally threatening, ie. obviously undeservedly).

    Jobs indeed. Is it the duty of the many to provide for the few, to their own detriment? Because that is what a job has become, if it was ever anything else.

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    Default Re: The Rise of the Machines – Why Automation is Different this Time

    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

    At the end of the video the suggestion of a universal basic income as a possible solution came up to the automation dilemma. So, we can all sit back on welfare, depending on the government for literally everything? If we don't behave it will be as simple as putting a hold on your income until you get your thinking straight. Doesn't sound like much of a solution to me. How about we let this messed up system implode, which I believe it will and start over with small communities. We do not have to live like this, but we must wake up and assert ourselves. The system is dying. It has become a cheap caricature of what it was intended to be. It is permeated with greed and corruption and lies. It's time to let go.

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    Default Re: The Rise of the Machines – Why Automation is Different this Time

    this is a great post ty. I will add that rampant consumerism and the keeping up with the jones mentality aren't helping things whatsoever either





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    Jobs. So obvious, isn't it? We've been told all our lives about jobs. How jobs back in the day were mostly in agriculture. How the nature of jobs changed with the industrial revolution. Jobs, jobs, jobs. But how can it be jobs that are the big thing when half the jobs pay less than it costs to live in this society? And almost all jobs are losing ground in terms of buying power (bang for your buck).

    It's not jobs we need any more than it is money.

    No. Previous generations did not have jobs, they had work. The pittance they were paid was sufficient for food, shelter, clothing. That's it. In fact, nothing has changed. The little the middle class was allowed to gain with their "jobs" is now being clawed back at an increasingly alarming rate.

    This society has gone off on a wild tangent with barely anything to do with the human condition on the ground, in the trenches. Get a job, we're told, and all will be well. This has morphed into, stay in school, or you'll be stuck with an under-paying job. Under-paying job? That's like doing work for free. It is doing work for free. Free to whom we should ask.

    What is this obsession with jobs? We need to eat we say, so we get a job. But now we send our spouses out on the same mission as well, and take ourselves a second 'job' just to make ends meet.

    We are born into this world saddled with a debt, a debt we can never repay but can defer through installments. If we work our allocated 100,000 hours over 45 years with no major disaster or incident we might be allowed a leisurely old age of relative comfort. This scenario is becoming ever more elusive a goal for a growing minority.

    Jobs? We cannot sustain this crazy scenario for much longer. Yet those this system has served use their money to perpetuate it, and insist the rest of us toe the line - oblivious to the gun to their own heads or ours (yet are the first to cry foul if that gun becomes personally threatening, ie. obviously undeservedly).

    Jobs indeed. Is it the duty of the many to provide for the few, to their own detriment? Because that is what a job has become, if it was ever anything else.

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    Default Re: The Rise of the Machines – Why Automation is Different this Time

    "shouldn't the long term goal of any society be complete unemployment?"--- Doug Stanhope, Burning the Bridge to Nowhere, 2011
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    Default Re: The Rise of the Machines – Why Automation is Different this Time

    I think the generation before mine got ahead of themselves.

    I was raised with the Jetson's...expecting flying cars and robot maids and to be living on Mars or exploring the galaxy in a spaceship...

    My city was focused on building "leisure centres" because "soon" (as in when I grew up) we would only work a few hours a day and spend most of our time pursuing "leisure" activities as "computers" and "robots" did all the heavy lifting and tasks we didn't enjoy. Well...decades later this may be our new reality. EXCEPT it is not "Star Trek" today...people who have "too much free time" ( called Lazy by Economists and politicians) are not as a whole engaged in much of anything focused on personal or social development.

    Ontario is mulling over the idea of a basic monthly income of about $1800/month for every adult as "work" will be transient at best in the suture. I expect it is just a bribe until they can get population #'s low enough to be "economically" sustainable....

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    Default Re: The Rise of the Machines – Why Automation is Different this Time

    economy = eco no me
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    Default Re: The Rise of the Machines – Why Automation is Different this Time

    Basic monthly income?
    Its meant to make people more obedient more dependent on the controllers rather than nature. Its meant to cut us totally from nature. people are losing the ability to survive with nature. Above all its meant to pacify the increasing restlessness of the shepple until they are able to come up with a solution. What else could be more proof of slavery than people rejoicing having a job? Humanity have been in its lowest there is no other way to go.

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