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    Default Re: Bitcoin, the war on cash, Clif High, and the NSA's long range plans

    A couple of topical segments...

    Google bans bitcoin adverts

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUZkhcEb_24

    Published on 15 Mar 2018
    Internet giant Google has landed a major blow for Bitcoin - after it was
    announced adverts for the cryptocurrency would be removed from its
    platforms.Bitcoin's valuation hit a low for March on Thursday - trading
    at under 8-thousand dollars following an 11% drop in 24 hours.
    Check out http://rt.com

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    Cryptolium: Blockchain giants plan to build city of future in Puerto Rico

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2hAFE9qaoM
    Published on 15 Mar 2018
    The online technology 'blockhain' is not only making waves in the banking
    world, it could also be the foundation of our future cities. For RT's online
    series 'Cryptolium', Miguel Francis Santiago's been meeting some of its
    biggest proponents in Silicon Valley, and finding out how it could see a
    whole new type of city being built in Puerto Rico.

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    I posted some questions, perhaps relevant to this thread, regarding debt based money, over here.
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    A couple of months ago, Clif High made a big prediction - that Bitcoin would hit $13,888 in Feb 2018, and rise from there.

    Feb 2018 is now over. Bitcoin stayed below $12,000 the entire month of Feb 2018.
    It's been rough lately and I haven't seen anyone able to make much sense of it yet. Unless I'm missing something the only things I can guess is that either demand is down from the black market taking a hit, or else banks keep selling off what they bought up earlier trying to crash it, which lots of people were worried about when they first started buying in. When I see Google and Twitter banning Bitcoin ads and other stories like that, it's pretty clear the globalists aren't big fans, or at least not the tech giants.

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    Looks like the big boys are (publically) buying in at, surprise, surprise, near the bottom, althought BTC could still drop way further than this before recovering:

    Quote Despite the dramatic collapse of the crypto market this year, well-known investors have opted to buy into digital currencies, triggering a brief surge in the prices of top tokens. Reports have emerged that George Soros is preparing to invest in digital assets, despite his earlier criticism of them. Adam Fisher, who controls macro investing at Soros Fund Management, has reportedly secured internal approval to trade the currencies.

    The Rockefellers have also reportedly joined the crypto party. Venrock, the official venture-capital arm of the family, reportedly signed a partnership with Coinfund, a cryptocurrency investment fund, to back virtual tokens and blockchain business innovations.....(full article here)
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    Therefore it could be the death of cryptocurrency. Those billionbaire will get algorithms that will skew the market in their favor as they are doing with money and the market, and
    The investment market, creating crash and recovery where the small investors lose more than it gains.

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    Looks like the big boys are (publically) buying in at, surprise, surprise, near the bottom, althought BTC could still drop way further than this before recovering:

    Quote Despite the dramatic collapse of the crypto market this year, well-known investors have opted to buy into digital currencies, triggering a brief surge in the prices of top tokens. Reports have emerged that George Soros is preparing to invest in digital assets, despite his earlier criticism of them. Adam Fisher, who controls macro investing at Soros Fund Management, has reportedly secured internal approval to trade the currencies.

    The Rockefellers have also reportedly joined the crypto party. Venrock, the official venture-capital arm of the family, reportedly signed a partnership with Coinfund, a cryptocurrency investment fund, to back virtual tokens and blockchain business innovations.....(full article here)
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    Therefore it could be the death of cryptocurrency. Those billionbaire will get algorithms that will skew the market in their favor as they are doing with money and the market, and
    The investment market, creating crash and recovery where the small investors lose more than it gains.
    Far from the death; rather it is the birth, of the "real" cryptocurrency regime.

    Just as the Internet infrastructure beneath the Web started out as a peer-to-peer data connection network between mostly honest geeks, supposedly designed to be immune to destruction from nuclear war, so long as a portion of it was still working, ...

    similarly the Blockchain infrastructure beneath Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies started out as a peer-to-peer monetary network between mostly honest geeks, supposedly designed to be immune to destruction from tyrannical oppression, so long as a portion of of it was still working.

    The Web has "evolved" into, primarily,
    • a propaganda, surveillance and control network in cahoots with the intelligence agencies and other major agencies of the elite bastards,
    • a sales, marketing, and payment tool for highly centralized corporations in cahoots with the elite bastards (e.g. Amazon, ebay, Paypal, and Alibaba), and
    • a mind drug for those who have "cut their TV cord" (e.g. porn, games, gambling, texting, and Facebook).
    Thus go cryptocurrencies, to incorporate into the Web the remaining items that have been held outside, involving money, debt, property, contracts, stocks, bonds, and other such items. Who has, or will have, under what conditions or in what timeframe, the primary rights to what use of what property, money, licenses, citizen privileges (eg voting), social benefits, insurance payouts, etc ... these will go "on the blockchain".

    The blockchain: It will become a web of databases controlling all property, rights, identifying information, contracts, transactions, assets, debts, licenses, etc. "Identifying information" includes DNA, fingerprint, eye scan, face scan, etc information uniquely identifying each human being on the planet. All you have, all you owe, all you might claim, who you are, where you are, and all your transaction history, interactions, and connections ... in a distributed database that only the authorized minions of the elites can access or alter, except when and if "they" let us. This is so whether you are an individual, corporation, or government, large or small.

    "Going on the blockchain" means that control of the database or records or paperwork that determines who has what when will move from sundry large and small corporations and governments into distributed databases that are "secure". By "secure" I mean that only the authorized minions of the elite can monitor and hack those records. These databases will be "secure" from any ordinary person, business or local government having unauthorized access or making unauthorized changes.

    Introducing such a Draconian system outright would generate too much resistance from the people. So first such systems are introduced as having almost the exact opposite consequences of what they will eventually realize.

    Bitcoin is first being introduced as a tool of individual liberty that cannot be centrally controlled.

    The excitement over such a tool, and especially the incredible profits that early investors realized in Bitcoin, from pennies to tens of thousands of dollars per Bitcoin, have both funded extensive development of the tools needed for such mature distributed databases, and confused the benefits and risks of such systems sufficiently to blunt serious objections.

    As I noted above, the Web is a prior example of how this is done. It is not the only such example. The PC's and smartphones that we us use to access this forum are earlier examples. They were introduced as tools of personal empowerment that eventually became tools of our enslavement, as intended (I believe) all along. Wireless technology, including cell phones, smart meters, GPS, the Internet of Things, and (now being introduced) 5G are other such examples. Before those examples, we had newspapers, radio, television, pharmaceuticals, and our food and water.
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    Then again.....we might get another Carrington Event!!

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    I will lay odds the ruling world bankers currently own all the crypto currencies. Even if the day arrives you can buy anything with it (airy fairy in exchange for blood and sweat work), they can and WILL turn off the spigot any time they feel like and you can do nothing about it. Just like email by gmail.

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    Paul this segment was about steam something that went over my head
    but might be of use as they did try to explain the monetary blockchain.
    I don't know if the way they generate virtual money would be any use
    for the forum in the future , or even if it is possible ? its more just bringing
    it to your attention......


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    There is a follow up vid that also went over my head...
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    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1220174
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    Great song at the end!! Steemit? Hmmmmm.

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    Paul this segment was about steam something that went over my head
    but might be of use as they did try to explain the monetary blockchain.
    I don't know if the way they generate virtual money would be any use
    for the forum in the future , or even if it is possible ? its more just bringing
    it to your attention......
    Social media has been evolving through multiple generations now.

    Back in the late 1990's, America Online (AOL) was dominant, with its walled garden approach. CompuServe (which I preferred) was the smaller, "more free", variant of AOL. One interacted with these giants of the time through dial-up modems. They had a forum structure, with posts and comments on various topics. One only interacted with AOL using their client software, which ran on DOS (starting in 1991), then on Mac and Windows 3.1 (starting in 1993). One obtained the DOS, Windows or Mac client software client in the form of a CD-ROM (or a floppy, early on), which AOL mass mailed in large quantity, for years. Most of us on any likely mailing list received dozens of these CD-ROM's over the years.

    Twitter is, in some ways, a modern day variant of AOL, adpated to cell-phones (mobiles). Both AOL and Twitter were/are "wall gardens", in that you primarily see what's on their servers, using their custom clients, at least in the most common way they were/are used.

    That was the first "big" generation of social media, first on PC's, and more recently on cell-phones (mobiles.)

    ===

    The second "big" generation used underlying common Web standards, such as HTML, and general purpose Web browsers for clients, such as Mozilla, Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari, and Chrome. This era had its roots back in the early 1990's, with Marc Andreessen's release of Mosaic, which evolved into Netscape Navigator, released in 1994. At the same time, in the middle, a layer of Internet Service Providers (ISP's) began building up a network of routers, transmission lines and cables, and connections to the "last mile" using first existing phone lines and then the Cable TV co-axial wiring. This "last mile" is now going wireless, over the cell phone network, where the 5G network being unrolled now will substantially increase its availability, even to dozens of Internet of Things (IOT) in your home (lightbulbs, toothbrushes, refrigerators, ovens, doorbells, etc.)

    In this second generation, using Web standards such as HTML, the client software (browser) became independent of the choice of backend servers of various corporations and social media providers providing Web access.

    Project Avalon is very much a child of this second generation. There are a dozen or two different Web clients (Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Safari, IE, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, Dillo, Midori, Lynx, Links, Wget, Curl, various search bots, ...) that connect to the ProjectAvalon.net server, and the Avalon server in turn serves up (links to) content from hundreds (actually, over 70,000 at present) of various other websites out there on the World Wide Web.

    There are now many (1.5 billion by this estimate) of websites out there.

    However a few such websites dominate various categories, such as Google in search, Amazon and Alibaba in retail sales, Paypal in payments, Facebook in social media, Youtube in video sharing, eBay in direct sales, Expedia in travel, Skype in chat, and Netflix in streaming video. These dominant websites are becoming (or I suspect were from their inception) deeply corrupted by the deep state as tools of mass surveillance and manipulation.

    This second generation is highly promiscuous -- most any web server can serve up any sort of crud to any browsing client, including viruses, malware, ransomware, porn, gambling, and all such.

    Also, whatever is sent over this Web is visible to all and an be copied by all along the path, except in the particular case that one is using "https" (rather than "http") which encrypts the data between the sender and receiver. That (https) works so long as the two end parties trust each other, but we increasingly see examples of fraudulent or poorly managed websites that cannot be trusted with assets such as our private records (medical, financial, identification, ...) and our private property (money, property, licenses, ...). As one example of many, 100's of millions of people lost enough information about themselves in the Equifax hack to potentially enable the hacker to setup false bank accounts and loans in their name and to steal financial assets from their existing accounts.

    ===

    Just as the second generation escaped the confines of the wall gardens of the first generation by going to neutral third party standards and infrastructure, allowing any browser to serve up material from any website and allowing any website to link to more material from any other website, similarly the third generation will escape the confines of the few, dominant Websites such as listed above, and the insecurities of millions of other websites holding sensitive records or valuable property, by going to neutral, third party standards and infrastructure for managing the shared data itself.

    This third generation will move the Web "to the blockchain", which essentially means putting our data, our social media content, and our property (money, stocks, bonds, DNA, eye scans, fingerprints, police and medical records, legal filings and decisions, licenses, voting, ...) on distributed ledger databases, of which the "blockchain" is an early, well known, example.

    There is no single blockchain ... that is a popular misnomer. There are many distributed databases, thousands now, with millions or billions to come. Each such database will become the "master record" of some particular sort of record, property, asset, information, contract, ... that two or more individuals, corporations or governments may have an interest in knowing or managing.

    I expect to see the property records for my car, trailer and the trailer park where it sits, all moved to such distributed ledgers in my lifetime, as well as much else that I am connected with.

    This third generation will be substantially more secure than was the promiscuous second generation ... only the deep state will have the ability to surveil and control us. This third generation will be relatively secure from surveillance and hacking except by authorized agents of the elite bastards.

    ===

    Steemit is an early version of "Facebook for the blockchain." It is, to be more precise, a social media website that is maintained on a distributed ledger, rather than in a database running on the servers of the Steemit, Inc. corporation, which one might note is headquartered in Blacksburg, Virginia, USA, a couple of hundred miles outside of Washington.

    My hunch, unsullied by any actual evidence, is that Steemit, and a related follow-on project called EOS, are projects of Western Deep State Intelligence. EOS is being developed by some of the same people (most notably Dan Larimer) who developed Steemit, and is positioning itself to become a key infrastructure technology of the third generation Web, rather as Marc Andreessen's web browser was in the second generation. EOS is a platform for developing the distributed ledger databases which will replace the first generation "blockchain" technology that underlies Bitcoin.

    ===

    ProjectAvalon.net is now and forevermore, until its demise, a child of the "second generation".

    ===

    ... so that was a long (sorry) and meaty (hopefully) answer to a good question (thanks).
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    Thanks Paul I did understand much of that ......

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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Thanks Paul I did understand much of that ......
    short and sweet:

    Steamit replaced the "algorithm work based" backing of bitcoin (coins are only earned through mining) with "content based work" to back the currency of the steam forums (coins are "created" (sorta, this is a super simplification) through quality content being produced on the forum).

    This model would work at avalon, but we would have to create our own coin base and start from scratch most likely plus compete directly; I don't see it as likely.

    Plus, I doubt the traffic to this site is high enough to justify it.
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    Quote Posted by amor (here)
    I will lay odds the ruling world bankers currently own all the crypto currencies. Even if the day arrives you can buy anything with it (airy fairy in exchange for blood and sweat work), they can and WILL turn off the spigot any time they feel like and you can do nothing about it. Just like email by gmail.
    Wonder if this - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bi...ry_top_stories was one of those activities?

    Quote The price of bitcoin took a dive Tuesday, falling by more than $200 in under 20 minutes, a move that could have been the result of a single seller unloading a sizeable amount of the digital currency.

    The balance of wallet 3D2oetdNuZUqQHPJmcMDDHYoqkyNVsFk9r — an anonymous digital account which is valued at $1.49 billion — fell by 6,500 bitcoin Tuesday, with the average sale price sale being $8,146.70, a total value of just over $50 million, according to bitinfocharts.

    The sale comes a day after the third-largest wallet, which famously purchased over $400 million in bitcoin in February, let go of 6,600 bitcoin at an average price of $8,026. All told, the two whales dumped over $100 million of bitcoin within 24 hours.
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    Quote The balance of wallet 3D2oetdNuZUqQHPJmcMDDHYoqkyNVsFk9r — an anonymous digital account which is valued at $1.49 billion — fell by 6,500 bitcoin Tuesday, with the average sale price sale being $8,146.70, a total value of just over $50 million, according to bitinfocharts.

    The sale comes a day after the third-largest wallet, which famously purchased over $400 million in bitcoin in February, let go of 6,600 bitcoin at an average price of $8,026. All told, the two whales dumped over $100 million of bitcoin within 24 hours.
    Sounds like an attack by financial institutions to me.

    Lots of people were expecting exactly this type of predatory behavior when some of the big Wall Street banks started buying up large amounts of Bitcoin. Every time the price starts rising they can instantly send it tumbling with massive sell-offs. Normal people don't have access to this kind of money.

    Could also be the Chinese government regulating Bitcoin prices. They also have a vested interest in keeping prices below a certain amount.

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