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    I do think though that as rules for community living nine of the ten commandments are very good guides to harmonious living. The first of them is very wrong though and has caused more violence and wars than any other religious edict, IMHO, that is the first commandment that says; thou shalt have no other gods but me for I am a jealous god. Never mind that any god so insecure in their place of being is not worth the worship, but it clearly insinuates via simple logic that there must be other gods for which our god gets jealous of, it also gives the faithful complete license to destroy or kill any person or group who follows or worships a different god or faith. In my arrogance I would change it to; thou shalt respect thy neighbors faith...
    This has a great point on it. It is oft overlooked that statements like "you shall no other gods besides me (or before me)" implies by it's nature that there are other gods. The warning is not to revere or worship any of the other "gods". Just as Paul says in the New Testament "For we know that there are many gods, but for us there is just one" (paraphrase my own). Again, the New Testament confirms that there are indeed "other gods". There are dozens of more examples of the "god" of the Bible legitimatizing other gods as being "real" but simply forbidding his people to worship them. Modern Christianity has, in my opinion, come up with fancy explanations to ignore these statements by saying things like "What Paul really means is that you can make anything your "god" but you are not to have anything you value more than "god". I would argue that's not what it actually says, that's the new explanation to avoid the question, "what other gods is he talking about?"

    I have read theologians who believe that YHWH was simply a local "god" that Moses' wife, a Medianiate, worshipped. This mountain god that she introduced Moses to believed in circumcision and was a war like "god" bent on conquest which is something Moses found appealing at the time. These of course are arguable at best and many believe "moses" did not even exist or if he did that he was an Egyptian high priest. The point being is that a pretty good argument can be made that YHWH on the mountain is not even the same "god" that is depicted in the first few chapters of Genesis. Many believe there is a distinct difference for example between "El" and "YHWH". One version of the creation story in Genesis (as there are actually two creation stories with different things happening on different days) does not use the word YHWH at all, the second one does. Some have argued that the Levites preferred the version with YHWH their new fire warrior "god" and insisted on including the second version of creation in the book along with the "softer" version that was already there. I'm not making a great case for that, just mentioning it.
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    Loooooooong story short.

    ....One third of the beings decide themselves to be god and led by the primordial archangel Lucifer (now the devil) rebel against the God head. (Father,Son,Holy Spirit)...
    Growing up this was always one of the "stories" that bothered me a great deal. If "gods" way is so perfect how is that that literally one out of every three of those who know him VERY well and see him EVERY day rebelled? I could understand maybe one "bad seed" deciding maybe there was a better way, but one out of three? That is a great deal of disagreement in a "perfect" plan.

    Taking out emotions and such, the story does support the version of the Annunaki legend. What is recorded is that there was a rebellion among the "gods" and some broke off from the others. This is in agreement with the story of the Annunaki slaves that rebelled against their masters.

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    Jehovah was an ET, his son Jehav, then his son Karmangol were just as blood thirsty, demanding blood and sacrifice for disobedience... the 200 scientist under King Arus ( the man in charge before Jehovah)called themselves the sons of heaven, and the creators of creation... they secretly went behind the back of king Arus and mated with wild earth females (evas) and the mating produced adam , semjasa was adams father eve was adams mother, other scientist mated with wild evas and a female was produced, eventually Adam was mated with one of the females and from this present day mankind developed... early man thought they were angels, nope just higher evolved humans from another galaxy... Jehovah was killed by his son jehav, and the sons of heaven eventually developed a degree of spirituality and decided to leave the newly created humans to the natural course of evolution, and they returned to the pleadies where they live in an allied federation of peace with the plejaren to this day... The Plejaren sometimes called the watchers, keep very detailed information about earths past... They have been helping us along for 13,500 years now... they follow one particular spirit form wherever it incarnates, we know it as Enoch Isaiah Elijah Jeremiah Imannuel Muhammad and BEAM... the thread of spirit teachings is common among all religions because its been the same teacher incarnating in different bodies over many epochs... the plejaren bring the personalities up to speed on former lives, and mentor him, they are always looked at as angels for they have a glow about them... the spirit teaching is corrupted by evil men to control other men but, the core principles remain ... they the plejaren have lifespans of 1,000 to 1,500 years, we used to live 1,000 years, now since the rouge scientist altered our genes we only live 80-100 years... I need to stop, the story is deeper than you know ... time is short, we will take another 700 years until we get th he lesson the watchers have been trying to teach us... we will repeat the same mistakes as they did, which is what they have been trying to help us avoid...
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    Jehovah was an ET, his son Jehav, then his son Karmangol were just as blood thirsty, demanding blood and sacrifice for disobedience... the 200 scientist under King Arus ( the man in charge before Jehovah)called themselves the sons of heaven, and the creators of creation... they secretly went behind the back of king Arus and mated with wild earth females (evas) and the mating produced adam , semjasa was adams father eve was adams mother, other scientist mated with wild evas and a female was produced, eventually Adam was mated with one of the females and from this present day mankind developed... early man thought they were angels, nope just higher evolved humans from another galaxy... Jehovah was killed by his son jehav, and the sons of heaven eventually developed a degree of spirituality and decided to leave the newly created humans to the natural course of evolution, and they returned to the pleadies where they live in an allied federation of peace with the plejaren to this day... The Plejaren sometimes called the watchers, keep very detailed information about earths past... They have been helping us along for 13,500 years now... they follow one particular spirit form wherever it incarnates, we know it as Enoch Isaiah Elijah Jeremiah Imannuel Muhammad and BEAM... the thread of spirit teachings is common among all religions because its been the same teacher incarnating in different bodies over many epochs... the plejaren bring the personalities up to speed on former lives, and mentor him, they are always looked at as angels for they have a glow about them... the spirit teaching is corrupted by evil men to control other men but, the core principles remain ... they the plejaren have lifespans of 1,000 to 1,500 years, we used to live 1,000 years, now since the rouge scientist altered our genes we only live 80-100 years... I need to stop, the story is deeper than you know ... time is short, we will take another 700 years until we get th he lesson the watchers have been trying to teach us... we will repeat the same mistakes as they did, which is what they have been trying to help us avoid...
    In your opinion, what would you say that the mistake is that we should avoid?....x.. N
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    ... then his son Karmangol were just as blood thirsty, demanding blood and sacrifice for disobedience... the 200 scientist under King Arus ( the man in charge before Jehovah)

    ... I need to stop, the story is deeper than you know ... time is short, we will take another 700 years until we get th he lesson the watchers have been trying to teach us... we will repeat the same mistakes as they did, which is what they have been trying to help us avoid...
    There is a whole bunch of things you said there that I'm unfamiliar with. Can you point me to some sources of where you get these sort of statements about "Karmangol" and King Arus? Lastly, can you briefly explain why you have to run and time is short then add that it will take 700 more years? Time is short for what? Why do you have to run because time is short? I'm curious about some of your information but I'd like some source material to review a bit if you don't have time to slow down a bit and cover it one step at a time. Thank you for sharing!

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    If you want some good info to ponder on, I highly recommend Joseph P Farrell's book "Yahweh the Two-Faced God"

    https://www.amazon.com/Yahweh-Two-Fa.../dp/0985021101

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    The bible as a source of historical information is limited, edited, occulted, and misrepresented.

    There is growing evidence that the bible is just a remnant of a far older tradition. Some of the earliest writings actually fill out the story in the bible, often superseding its message by thousands of years.

    Interesting that Ghostrider left out Christ as a master, along with Enoch and company. And I have never heard of Beam.

    Genesis is the most suspicious of all the works in the bible. It starts out wrong, not beginning with Aleph - and never recovers its veracity from there forwards. The bible's creation story is merely a truncated version of a much older work, sometimes called the Enuma Elish or The Seven Tablets of Creation. In that writing it is evident that their were 'alien' beings on earth far before our time. The bible starts out with a lie and never lets up, but because it has been purposely altered evidence of this tampering can be uncovered. One such is the use of the plural when talking about god. There are many others.

    The core message of the bible was removed when the patriarchy succeeded with their coup. James, Mary, and Judas were left out, among others. Their message is counter, almost anathema to the rest of the writers' works.

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    When I was a small child my mother (Orthodox) told me a prayer for kids before going to bed,which I learned it when I was able to speak and I kneeling on the side of the bed and say that prayer.All good and well until one day when my grandmother (Catholic) told me the story of Adam and Eve in which both of them where banned out of the heaven.After she ended telling the story I asked her why the god didn't let them eat the apple? She didn't answer and that was the moment in which I ended any relations with religion.Later I found that the knowledge is power.

    Growing I found that:
    -people are going to church and ask all kind of things;
    -people are doing certain rituals;
    -people are offering money to church/priests;
    -Christmas is not such a big religious holiday as Easter;
    and I always ask myself "Why people are wasting their time doing things like that instead doing things that really matter for them?"

    Since my teenage I saw different approaches of Christian religion from my family,friends,acquaintances and strangers and I saw that all have the same behavior and from time to time I tried to understand them and find a meaning of this behavior and I didn't find it,but is still curious how that they do the same thing all and all over again waiting for something.

    Before reading some parts of the Bible other books came at hand- Daniel,Enoch,Dead Sea scrolls (very interesting in their content and with a sense) - and after that I opened the Bible to certain chapters.Still not found any answers.On the other hand a few years ago I have an idea:instead of trying understand the meaning of what is written in the Bible sitting on Earth and watching the sky,I moved my reading point somewhere between the Moon and Earth and from there some written things start to make sense -especially First Testament (Statement as I called it now) and I will explain in the following.

    Apocalypse.As we know is something bad.From ancient Greek,as far as I read, it means unveiling or lifting the veil,but in Dacian language is something different based on two words Apoca-lypse (Apoca -a word also found in Romanian means to grab or to hold and lypse - lipsa a word also found in Romanian means lack of,deficiency of and other similar meanings) so lack of grabbing or don't need to have this as I understand it.

    An other fact is that abductees presenting facts that IEBEs (Intelligent Extraterrestrial Beings Entities) are showed them images with Earth destroyed for different reasons.

    Not deserved to mentioned here but it have a point related to the four horses of apocalypse.
    Wernher von Braun's disclosed plan to Carol Rosin of four fabricated/artificial created threats by over heated minds:
    -Union Soviet Socialist Republics;
    -terrorists;
    -asteroids and
    -alien invasion.

    As far as I understand above related observations are somehow similar with Daniel story.

    Other words are:
    - Havila(h).Walhala?Valahi?Vala(c)hia?
    -Enoc(h).Cone?Con? and so on.

    Further I will not describe other things from the Bible,but I will add that the Bible is a description of events that are looping over and over to all known and unknown civilizations that inhabit the Earth from its beginning and is better to read the Bible as a third party because is giving a better understanding of what the authors tried to describe in theirs times and with theirs knowledge of understanding.

    We have to see the entire picture and not only details.The whole and all details are bonding the entire picture.

    I'm not a religious,mystic or meditative person.
    I am what I am,no more no less.
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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Well, good luck with that

    As far as I am concerned, here is my conclusion after digesting Gmirkin summary of his scholar work:

    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
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    If ever you take the time to listen to the above linked interview (<---) and which demonstrates the whole story as a Greek social engineering experiment, you may realize that anything derived from that so-called "Old Testament" becomes irrelevant... since they are artificial concoctions designed to turn any of the self-appointed priesthoods into slave masters.

    That's the kind of disclosure that none of the Bible/Torah/Quran thumpers can stomach. That's a lot of people to have been conned...

    That also makes for a lot of research, discussions and arguings irrelevant and pointless...
    Hervé: my conclusion as well. The most successful PsyOp in this manifestation of human-kind, bar none. What a money spinner!

    Michael Tsarion has asserted, correctly, that amongst other things this 'Bible' (Book of the gods - spot the use of El in its name?) is an astrotheological treatise, coded and understood by those with '..eyes to see and ears to hear'. Period.

    Serious students of this piece of propaganda, and that is what it is, propaganda, could benefit from reading Lloyd M. Graham's: 'Deceptions and Myths of the Bible'. And in my view should undertake a crash course in Astrology and Numerology (which, surprise surprise is discouraged by the authors of this propaganda as they don't take kindly to you playing with their toys) with a little helping of Astronomy thrown in for good measure. These serve as a cipher.

    And need I also stress, again, as I have elsewhere that Jesus Christ simply means and directly points to 'Yes, You' - that is what it means etymologically.

    Mystery solved and now on to the continuing job and responsibility I have, and we all have, to in the most positive way continue as best I can to evolve spiritually and onwards to greater self realisation and endeavouring to be as kind and loving as possible to all without recourse to devotion or worship of anything. Most of all not worshipping what we have been palmed off with by the architects of awfulness with which we have to battle with seemingly endlessly.
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    Thank you all who have contributed to this thread thus far. I have enjoyed reading and discussing things a so far. Unfortunately I'm not quite finding what I was looking for and I think perhaps some of you have missed my point because I was not clear enough about what I was seeking. I am not looking for a "Bible Scholar" because I "believe in the Bible". A lot of people are pointing to me works proving the Bible to be in error. I'm long past that. I know the Bible is full of error (maybe not for the same reasons as some of the stated authors, etc) but I agree with the general concept.

    Basically I'm starving for regular intellectual conversation with someone who has a common background as I. I have been a long time student of the "Bible" because I was born into and indoctrinated into it. As I grew older and began to question everything I realized that in particular the Christian religion did not remotely follow their own writings and had dismissed clear "commandments" and substituted instead very pagan concepts and rituals in their place because it was easier and more fun. In particular, one writer of the Bible (Paul) came along and self-claimed to be an apostle (though he was not hand-picked by "Jesus" like the twelve who were said to have rulership in his coming kingdom) and changed the entire religion forever. Paul taught completely contrary to 3/4's or more of the Bible and the masses ate it up. It became the "gospel of Paul" and arguable Paul became more quoted and loved than the so called example of a Christian's faith, Jesus. I wrote a book on the subject which is on Amazon for free in the Kindle Library even called Paulianity. But I am NOT a Christian nor do I accept the Bible as factual any longer (nor at the time of writing the book). My point was that people in the religion are not remotely following their own teachings.

    Having said all that, my entire goal was to find someone who has a similar background because years ago I had a best friend whom we had many, many hours of long thoughtful discussion over various other ancient near eastern writings, the books of Zachariah Sitchin, Hoaglin, Donnikan (spelling all of these wrong I'm sure), etc. I found it FACINATATING to discuss the overlap of ancient stories and such with things hinted at and aluded to in the Bible. Not for the purpose of proving the Bible wrong but more for the "wow, this **** was in the Bible all along and we didnt' see it". I enjoyed for example learning just how common ancient thought was that angels (or beings from the sky) came down and had sexual relations with women. The so called Christian Bible hides it now pretty well but it's there in several places plain as day if you know the stories from other writings. You can see the Biblical writers hinting at it, aluding to it, and even at times potentially quoting from it. All of that goes unnoticed by most "christians" because they refuse to look at the other writings. Much of it also goes unnoticed by those who aren't Christians because they don't read the Bible. I enjoy discussing both...where things show up and how those stories influenced the writers, etc.

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    Right on, Herve!! :highfive Well, Truster013...I wonder what kind of "background" you are coming from? Personally, I spent my entire life within "The Bible is THE Word of God" crowd, but when that belief system ruined my entire life, I began to try & figure out what was wrong with it! My first discovery was that key words in the O.T. had been translated incorrectly. Than I began to wonder where exactly did this collection of books come from!

    The "miracle" stories in the O.T. make perfect sense if you understand the "gods"(the word is plural in Gen.) were simply a higher race of beings working out some sort of agenda of their own that they had. At this point in time, my own personal conclusion is that whatever the true Jesus Movement was, it was hijacked by the Roman Gov't. & made into an institution with which to control the populace. It has worked for centuries!

    Mauro Biglino IS a good resource to go to if one is serious in wanting to truly understand the O.T. Joseph Atwill is good for understanding the political situation around the time of the forming of the N.T. & the first century circumstances.

    My conclusion is that The Bible is one of the greatest hoaxes played upon humanity to be used as a means of control. I am NOT a scholar, nor do I wish to get into any arguments. I have simply stated what my own research has led me to. A correct translation of the O.T. would be very helpful & that is something we have not had until Mauro Biglino, in my opinion.

    All the best!!
    Absolutely Loxie, absolutely. Also, if there was a movement at all, which is probably likely: a resistance to an unpopular regime is nothing new is it? - its leader did not have the name attributed to him (why is it always men heh?) and was certainly no miracle worker. It's a ridiculous, the 'saviour', assertion, that has no evidence, at all, attached to it. It's a STORY, and a tall one at that. (For a more humorous take on the ridiculousness of this whole shenanigans I often suggest a visit to George Carlin and his: Religion is B******t sketch.)



    Although I have absolutely nothing against anyone who chooses to follow religions - that is their business after all - my experiences dovetail yours closely and the sense of enormous freedom that came from abandoning that lifestyle choice have hurtled me into this extraordinarily meaningful odyssey, which has and remains spiritually nourishing.

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    I had never seen that Carlin skit...too funny! Freedom is a good word to use Tintin & I have actually said how "freeing" it is not to have to reside within the box I was raised in!! To be able to explore & TRY to figure out what has been going on! Huge thanks to Avalon!

    Truthster013....I would agree that what we have been left with is Pauline Christianity. Interesting that you have written a book on that! How about your writing a book on the comparisons of ALL ancient writings to see what they have in common concerning our "beginnings"?! In the Western mindset we have been taught that all other cultures' writings are "myths". To me it has been interesting to see that as Christianity spread throughout the world it destroyed the writings of the cultures it encountered; quite a controlling venture! Sorry you can't find what you were looking for here, but it IS a great group to interact with & trust you will continue sharing with us!

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    Default Re: Seeking Deep Thinking Biblical Scholar to Discuss Aliens In the Bible

    Right there: Plato and his administrative division of conquered territories into "tribes"... 12 of them "tribes" with their "Patriarchs"... verbatim:

    Quote (... not hand-picked by "Jesus" like the twelve who were said to have rulership in his coming kingdom)
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    ....How about your writing a book on the comparisons of ALL ancient writings to see what they have in common concerning our "beginnings"?! In the Western mindset we have been taught that all other cultures' writings are "myths". To me it has been interesting to see that as Christianity spread throughout the world it destroyed the writings of the cultures it encountered; quite a controlling venture!
    So many topics and so little time. I love to study that exact thing you mention. Also being a student the history of secret societies in the like I have found that groups (including the church) have quite likely sacked major libraries (such as the one at Alexandria) and kept the history books of other peoples hidden in vaults for only a select few to see because they have literally re-written history and only want to acknowledge the version his history THEY want us to know. It makes me sick to my stomach to think that there is so much information sitting in a vault someplace and that we could be lied to every day by the people who we trust all the while them knowing what hey are telling us are lies. Grrr.... I digress.

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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Right there: Plato and his administrative division of conquered territories into "tribes"... 12 of them "tribes" with their "Patriarchs"... verbatim:

    Quote (... not hand-picked by "Jesus" like the twelve who were said to have rulership in his coming kingdom)
    Despite what the Roman's may have done, I find it more fascinating to consider this line from the Hebrew writings:

    "When the Most High apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the gods; the LORD's own portion was his people, Jacob his allotted share." - Deut 32:8-9

    In that one sentence alone we have hints at several things. One, there are multiple gods referenced in the Hebrew writings. Two, the "god" of the Hebrew people was just one of many gods and was merely the "god" appointed over Jacob and his descendants. Other stories outside of the "Bible" discuss the gods dividing up mankind among themselves. The Christian notion of a "god of the world" somewhat contradicts the statement that one of the gods picked the Hebrews to be his people. This god didn't get them all, only those who made a covenant with him to follow him. So what are the other "gods"? Who are they? Many writings seem to help shed light on it and I find that fascinating.

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    Greetings

    https://archive.org/details/age_reas...n_26_paine.mp3 Listen to this and you will find all your answers...I haven't heard your questions yet, so I don't know what more to offer!
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    Greetings

    https://archive.org/details/age_reas...n_26_paine.mp3 Listen to this and you will find all your answers...I haven't heard your questions yet, so I don't know what more to offer!
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    Lefty, just some friendly ribbing here. If you haven't heard all my questions how can you say all my questions are answered in the audio?

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    Thanks, Lefty Dave, for the link...hope to get into it! I vaguely remember hearing about George Washington having to distance himself from Paine because of his writings. It would make sense if he was pushing logical thinking & not adhering to established "rules" of social behavior of the day! When you stop & think about it, many of the ruling class of that day here in the U.S. would have been members of what we now know as the Episcopal Church. They would have been members of the Church of England. So the prescribed beliefs & conduct would have governed within the social sphere of that time.

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    Greetings Avalonians,,

    I bit the antagonists' hook....but spit it out quickly...


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    Lefty Dave....I have NO idea what you meant by "I bit the antagonists' hook..."!

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