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    Default Apollo 17 footage: True or false?

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    Published on Jul 8, 2013
    This is part of what I found on old vhs tapes my dad had.
    it includes:

    Apollo 17 Rocket Launch;
    Images from the moon;
    Moonwalk and moon drive;
    Taking soil samples the Command Module;
    Images of earth as seen from the moon;
    Taking soil samples;
    Crater-research;
    Message to the world;
    Command Module lift-off;
    Images of the moon from the Command Module;
    Images on the mothership;
    Images of the moon from 400 miles away;
    Images of the Soviet Command Module on the moon;
    Spacewalk outside the Command Module;
    Splashdown in the Great Ocean;

    Apollo 17 (Full Trip)
    (1hrs:10min:28sec)
    "Your planet is forbidden for an open visit - extremely aggressive social environment,despite almost perfect climatic conditions.Almost 4 billion violent deaths for the last 5000 years and about 15000 major military conflicts in the same period."

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    Default Re: Apollo 17 footage: True or false?

    Great Find!

    I believe Jay Weidner did a breakdown of this and other footage when researching Stanley Kubric's likely candidacy for "producing" the "on Earth" portion of video for broadcast. I am of 2 minds. I believe we went to the moon. I also believe much of what was broadcast was faked as "insurance" against disaster.


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    Default Re: Apollo 17 footage: True or false?

    as far as moon landings (or wherever) and the filming of the astronauts doing this: has anyone not yet considered who put the camera team/cameras there?- if not you might want to rethink some things-

    Larry

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    Default Re: Apollo 17 footage: True or false?

    Quote who put the camera team/cameras there?
    Please clarify

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    Quote Posted by Harley (here)
    Quote who put the camera team/cameras there?
    Please clarify
    Well, this might need an explanation:

    At 35:05, for over a minute, the camera pans back and swivels round, several times... following the two astronauts in the frame.

    They certainly don't appear to be remote-controlling it themselves... that would be way too hard, especially to get it right first time.

    But if the camera was remote-controlled from Houston (1.3 light-seconds away), there'd be a 2.6 second time lag for the camera image to reach the Earth, and then for the control signals to return to the camera to follow the moving astronauts.

    It would be well out of phase with the movement of the astronauts, which are well co-ordinated in real time.

    It might be the third astronaut in the Command Module, doing the camera-panning. But impossible, of course, if they were over the horizon by then. What would need to be known is the time that passed between the LEM separation and that first moonwalk. Then the orbital position of the Command Module could be estimated.

    If not that... it sure looks like someone right there on stage behind the camera.

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    Default Re: Apollo 17 footage: True or false?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Harley (here)
    Quote who put the camera team/cameras there?
    Please clarify
    Well, this might need an explanation:

    At 35:05, for over a minute, the camera pans back and swivels round, several times... following the two astronauts in the frame.

    They certainly don't appear to be remote-controlling it themselves... that would be way too hard, especially to get it right first time.

    But if the camera was remote-controlled from Houston (1.3 light-seconds away), there'd be a 2.6 second time lag for the camera image to reach the Earth, and then for the control signals to return to the camera to follow the moving astronauts.

    It would be well out of phase with the movement of the astronauts, which are well co-ordinated in real time.

    It might be the third astronaut in the Command Module, doing the camera-panning. But impossible, of course, if they were over the horizon by then. What would need to be known is the time that passed between the LEM separation and that first moonwalk. Then the orbital position of the Command Module could be estimated.

    If not that... it sure looks like someone right there on stage behind the camera.

    Perhaps this 18 min video will give an answer and not only:

    Published on Feb 17, 2017
    The ultimate expose of 1972 NASA incident with Apollo 17, revealing alien structures on the moon, the censorship of Walter Cronkite and the connection and confirmation of specific aspects of the Bentwaters-Rendlesham Forest incident.

    Alien Moon Structures - Apollo 17
    "Your planet is forbidden for an open visit - extremely aggressive social environment,despite almost perfect climatic conditions.Almost 4 billion violent deaths for the last 5000 years and about 15000 major military conflicts in the same period."

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    Default Re: Apollo 17 footage: True or false?

    Thanks for that video, EFO! I did not have a television during that time so missed the entire episode altogether!

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    Default Re: Apollo 17 footage: True or false?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    But if the camera was remote-controlled from Houston (1.3 light-seconds away), there'd be a 2.6 second time lag for the camera image to reach the Earth, and then for the control signals to return to the camera to follow the moving astronauts.
    It's pretty obvious that the astronauts will leave to the right, because the lander is on the left. After that you can even see the 2+ second delay when the camera gets readjusted.

    Ed Fendell was the guy remote controlling the camera at the Houston Mission Control Center:



    This documentary may also be interesting:

    Mission Control: The Unsung Heroes of Apollo (2017)
    To connect humankind with itself and the Cosmos!

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    Analysis of AS17-151-23116

    Apollo 17 ~ More Hidden Structures On The Moon
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    Dave McGowan's Wagging the Moondoggie .PDF file here in which he presents some convincing arguments why this never happened. (I found his repeated use of sarcasm to get a little tiresome and only detracted from the overall quality, but well worth reading nevertheless.)

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