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    I have my own answers to this (its complex) but I wondered what other people thought. I've seen people bring this up several times over the past few years. It's a valid question, which I think all of us may have asked to ourselves at some point.

    A similar question is "If there are good ETs out there, why are they letting people die?"
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    Default Re: If There Are Hidden Benevolent Civilizations on Earth, Why Don't They Fund Positive Projects?

    Hi Daozen

    Quote Posted by Daozen (here)
    "If there are good ETs, why are they letting people die?"
    I donīt understand this question, please clarify?
    There are all kind of good, bad & indifferent aliens visiting us in my opinion.
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    Rawhide, I've seen that question brought up by younger ufologists a few times. They look at the world and claim there are no benevolent ETs, or no benevolent parallel civilizations, because "If they existed, they'd come and help us."

    People often take starvation/cancer as an example. If there are benevolent civilizations on this Earth, why are they watching us die?

    I wanted to know what other people's thoughts on the subject were.
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    from the time i joined PA, I started doing some reading and reflecting, trawling through some "ascending websites- like in-5d", listened to channellers like B. Marciniak, Bashar, and even people like Alex Collier.. that preach of a benevolent goody goody force out there.
    I would not dispute their reality.. that is their free will.. but i do question the foundations of this belief - "benevolent aliens exist and they want to help us (by ascension or other means as described by Cobra)".
    No doubt there are aliens, ET, EBEs, that exist in the multiverse and we are interacting with some of them via the SSP. I might suggest that this meme has been put there as a misdirection by the powers that be.

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    Default Re: If There Are Hidden Benevolent Civilizations on Earth, Why Don't They Fund Positive Projects?

    I agree, Lancet, that there's a lot of misdirection out there, but there's still a kernel of truth under all those lies.

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    Default Re: If There Are Hidden Benevolent Civilizations on Earth, Why Don't They Fund Positive Projects?

    What it seems to boil down to is one of three possible scenarios:

    1) The 'good' side is hidden because this is the 'bad' side's turf. The 'good' side does help, and is involved in mitigating the full effects of the 'bad' side's tampering. We often don't recognize their hand because they must remain concealed.

    2) The 'good' side understands that this is a pickle that mankind must solve on their own. The reason we must do so is because the solution to the problems that besiege us are caused by us - by our indirect consent in the form of acquiescence to our overlord's decrees, whether emotionally, financially, philosophically or in any other way that aligns our principles with thiers - and only by rising above the polarizing manipulation of our masters can we truly break free of their control.

    3) Or...there is no 'good' side

    I have been toying with that last one for a while now. I have to say that I cannot make myself believe it. Otherwise I wouldn't still be here. I think I am going to strike that third one off the list.

    My previous focus was #1. If so, their resources may be thin, or they may simply be waiting for just the right time to turn the tide and make themselves known. One thing's for sure, they ain't here yet.
    Again, this possibility is unsatisfying because it relies on an external variable for success. I don't like that. I've waited for god to make things right too - that hasn't gone well either. I don't want to compound the error with more of the same thinking.

    My focus will be number two. I truly think that only we can save ourselves. We may need some outside help in terms of getting the 'bad' side out of our way long enough for us to come to some sort of consensus amongst ourselves. We need the agitators and the manipulators neutralized so we can engage the task at hand and not be side tracked. If we have to do that for ourselves it's probably gonna get ugly.

    I believe we need to count on no one but ourselves, but hope for positive intervention at just the right time...

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    Default Re: If There Are Hidden Benevolent Civilizations on Earth, Why Don't They Fund Positive Projects?

    I have pretty similar viewpoints, Ernie. I even broke it down in three ways like you. Thanks for your contributions...

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    Default Re: If There Are Hidden Benevolent Civilizations on Earth, Why Don't They Fund Positive Projects?

    Sometimes I use benevolent humans as a comparison to benevolent et's...there's many good hearted people who want to help animals, the homeless, the starving and nature but just don't have the resources or the ability to at this time. Maybe they don't have the money to because they made a dumb mistake and owe some higher authority, they cannot travel to where the help is needed, or they don't have the means of communicating.


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    Hi Daozen the more simplistic explanation would be : because the no intervention mandate, but, by the other hand isn't this a free will universe? and we had being interveined by the falling angels, and others, so the question still without an answer !!

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    Quote Posted by Yetti (here)
    Hi Daozen the more simplistic explanation would be : because the no intervention mandate, but, by the other hand isn't this a free will universe? and we had being interveined by the falling angels, and others, so the question still without an answer !!
    I was just to type that not to "not intervene" thingy.
    They Canīt do Anything interfering with us as an ant collony in a aquarium tank, well.
    There are lots of alien spieses parcepating in this experiment.
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    Default Re: If There Are Hidden Benevolent Civilizations on Earth, Why Don't They Fund Positive Projects?

    I too used to think over this question, and I think it's very likely that there are benevolent watchers of sorts that are always monitoring the progress of what passes for human civilization. As to why they don't intervene, I liken living on Earth to being in kindergarten - we are given free reign to learn by doing, even if that involves arguing, fighting or getting hurt (hurting ourselves or each other) - only in extreme circumstances will there be intervention of any sort, and even then it is probably too subtle to attribute to an external entity - the numerous reports of UFOs disabling nuclear warheads comes to mind. If you look past the physical realm as the be-all-end-all of existence, then even the atrocities we experience that seem so horrific to us may be a necessary growing experience when looked at in a bigger context and not through the lens of our perception. This is purely how I view this experience at this moment in time, and I imagine that any such civilization would understand this.

    If I look back on a personal experience taken as a child, I remember vividly preparing for days for an exam that I ended up getting a bad grade on - the days leading up to it caused an enormous amount of stress for me, and the feelings of shame and frustration at the final grade were taken to an extreme. Obviously with hindsight 25 years later what does one silly exam in one class matter in how I live my life - it doesn't, but that experience as awful as it was to live through at the time made me realize that I shouldn't let silly things like that have such an effect on me. I think if there is a benevolent civilization out there they are letting us experience this for ourselves so we can grow, as painful as it seems to us at the time
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    Well put Libico, I can fit my soul in your descreption and itīs painfull but opens up as well.
    When I went to school as 7 year old child, I had religion class. Teacher asked me "whats the name of the ppl with no homes traveling the desert in the land of moses.. "
    My answer was "Luffare" = "Hobo" in english, and all the children laughed along with the teacher. After that incident, I realised that truth is nothing you are given, itīs something you have to fight for.

    Iīm convinced that the Tunguska meteor strike was prohibited by alien intervention, as well as Nuklear bases like Malmstrom in the early sixties had their minute missiles shut down by alien intervetion, they have us under a lup.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
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    Quote Posted by Daozen (here)
    ... I've seen that question brought up by younger ufologists a few times. They look at the world and claim there are no benevolent ETs, or no benevolent parallel civilizations, because "If they existed, they'd come and help us."

    People often take starvation/cancer as an example. If there are benevolent civilizations on this Earth, why are they watching us die?

    I wanted to know what other people's thoughts on the subject were.
    Good topic/questions, let's use an analogy:
    If you saw a colony of ants that appeared sick and dying, for whatever reason (maybe the kid next door poured hot water on them an hour before, for example...who knows when an ant is sick, right?), would you spend a lot of time trying to figure out what's wrong with them and nursing them back to health?

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    ...so you are judging death as bad, I think more as an end of a cycle. Its not quantity that will make us better but quality.

    We must be aware that there is a hidden force who is keeping the balance of things , there are examples everywhere.

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    Interesting discussion! We live in our tiny 3-D world, not realizing we are experiencing only a tiny fraction of what is out there! It has been kept from us that we are multi-dimensional beings, so it has been simple for our "controllers" to handle us. IS Earth simply a laboratory where other species carry out their experiments? In a Free Will Universe, a "good" being would not impose their will on us, but would guide those who are open to a new way of looking at the entirety of things. IMO

    Lately I have been wondering about the Soul Thing. Is there a trade of souls, of sorts, going on in the Universe? Could it be that as long as we do not awaken to the fact that we are Sovereign Beings, we can be manipulated; traded, so to speak, within the Universe for various purposes of "others"? Humanity seems to have been "dumbed down" for so many centuries, the "awakening" has been a slow process.

    However, I would say that many of us can attest to the fact that "outside" forces HAVE intervened in our lives to guide us in a certain direction. So, perhaps the "others" ARE helping things out, but we DO have to do the actual work ourselves! Once each person realizes he or she is a part of the Whole...why would you want to harm another?

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    I got a question here: Why we humans feel that ETs are obligated to be kind, and save us of anything and everything? I was thinking exactly the same thought as Dynamo. If a person somehow notice a colony of ants that seems to be having problems, would that person stop everything is doing and take the time to fix the ants problems? Are we assuming ETs are here for us? I don't think so. They are here because first, they love to travel!! And then because they have things to do here! (Whatever that is).

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    How can we know that they haven't helped us? A simple example; Perhaps they have already stopped us from blowing ourselves up? There have been people that have claimed to have been given knowledge from "somewhere" or "someone" that they can not explain. Perhaps they are actually responsible for much of our technological advancements? If the crash at Roswell is true, then we have most likely gained huge from their tech.

    We easily see when things go bad. Most everyone slows down to look at the car accident on the side of the street. Do we stop to look at the person who is being kind? Our news is full of bad news because that is what quickly and easily captures our attention. Extraterrestrials could have helped so many people in so many ways but it could be that it is just not noticeable.

    If I went out front to my neighbours car and removed a broken bottle from behind his car tire in his driveway, he will not know that I possibly prevented him from having a flat tire. That one moment could have a huge positive affect on his life and he would never be aware that it happened.

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    Iīm convinced that the Tunguska meteor strike was prohibited by alien intervention, as well as Nuklear bases like Malmstrom in the early sixties had their minute missiles shut down by alien intervetion, they have us under a lup.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
    These specific interventions cited (Tunguska, Nuklear bases), which you have defined as benevolent, can also be just 'taking care' so that the 'farm' is not destroyed or harmed by external or internal forces. Kind of protecting the 'chicken coop' from a devastating storm. In which case, what is the intention of the intervention? Take care of us or protect their assets?

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    Quote Posted by Rawhide68 (here)

    Iīm convinced that the Tunguska meteor strike was prohibited by alien intervention, as well as Nuklear bases like Malmstrom in the early sixties had their minute missiles shut down by alien intervetion, they have us under a lup.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
    These specific interventions cited (Tunguska, Nuklear bases), which you have defined as benevolent, can also be just 'taking care' so that the 'farm' is not destroyed or harmed by external or internal forces. Kind of protecting the 'chicken coop' from a devastating storm. In which case, what is the intention of the intervention? Take care of us or protect their assets?
    Good point, but at least we're alive. if someone rescues me from an Earthquake, I don't care what his motivation is: Fame, gamlour, money, helping humans. All I care is that I'm safe.

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    ... I've seen that question brought up by younger ufologists a few times. They look at the world and claim there are no benevolent ETs, or no benevolent parallel civilizations, because "If they existed, they'd come and help us."

    People often take starvation/cancer as an example. If there are benevolent civilizations on this Earth, why are they watching us die?

    I wanted to know what other people's thoughts on the subject were.
    Good topic/questions, let's use an analogy:
    If you saw a colony of ants that appeared sick and dying, for whatever reason (maybe the kid next door poured hot water on them an hour before, for example...who knows when an ant is sick, right?), would you spend a lot of time trying to figure out what's wrong with them and nursing them back to health?
    If I could take 5 minutes out of my day to fix the ant farm, I would. Maybe half an hour on a Sunday. I wouldn't hold a state funeral for every ant, but I could use my skill to fix the farm, and move some of the broken walls back.

    I would also Google how to make an ant farm:

    http://www.wikihow.com/Build-an-Ant-Farm

    And make some extra capsules out of soda bottles. With 2 hours work, I could move their civilization forward 1000 ant years. I'd also leave out honey every day. That only takes 30 seconds. Next I would tell my neighbours kid that I would kick his ass if he ever did that in my garden again, and ask his parents to make sure he never does that.

    Voila. The non-intervention treaty is now operational.

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