If There Are Hidden Benevolent Civilizations on Earth, Why Don't They Fund Positive Projects?

[dynamo]

Posted by Daozen (here)

Posted by dynamo (here)

Posted by Daozen (here)
... I've seen that question brought up by younger ufologists a few times. They look at the world and claim there are no benevolent ETs, or no benevolent parallel civilizations, because "If they existed, they'd come and help us."

People often take starvation/cancer as an example. If there are benevolent civilizations on this Earth, why are they watching us die?

I wanted to know what other people's thoughts on the subject were.

Good topic/questions, let's use an analogy:
If you saw a colony of ants that appeared sick and dying, for whatever reason (maybe the kid next door poured hot water on them an hour before, for example...who knows when an ant is sick, right?), would you spend a lot of time trying to figure out what's wrong with them and nursing them back to health?

If I could take 5 minutes out of my day to fix the ant farm, I would. Maybe half an hour on a Sunday. I wouldn't hold a state funeral for every ant, but I could use my skill to fix the farm, and move some of the broken walls back.

I would also Google how to make an ant farm:

http://www.wikihow.com/Build-an-Ant-Farm

And make some extra capsules out of soda bottles. With 2 hours work, I could move their civilization forward 1000 ant years. I'd also leave out honey every day. That only takes 30 seconds. Next I would tell my neighbours kid that I would kick his ass if he ever did that in my garden again, and ask his parents to make sure he never does that.

Voila. The non-intervention treaty is now operational.

Quite noble of you, Daozen.
However, I think it would take years to ascertain which ants were sick or just stoned on...heaven knows what, and having some fun.
My point is, just as we do not understand ants, aliens probably don't understand us.
Perhaps they live for 2000+ years so one human lifetime to them would be a few minutes, so to speak...
Perhaps they don't even know what cancer is yet, or if it's is a good or bad thing?
I think I've made my point.
Also, waiting for some alien to save humankind sure seems like a waste of a human life, to me, anyway.
I am happy to awake every morning with a chance to learn and grow, mentally and spiritually.
Physically?
That is not impossible but this body of mine has been ravaged to the point of requiring a lot of intervention by specialists (along with my own attempts to heal it).
Anyway, great topic, thanks again for starting it!!!

[Daozen]

Again, thank you kindly for the pep talks everyone. The "Hullo Daozen lemme explain to you about hard work and self-responbility." replies are well meant, I'm sure. Thanks guys.

This thread is an exploration of the nature of the blockade. If there are parallel civilizations, why are they not helping us more directly? It's a question that everyone who studies UFOlogy must have asked themselves at some point.

The question in the title contains a false assumption, which some people picked up on. How do we know they're not helping us already? I think they're performing a vital background role, and walking among us incognito. I also think they're already active in technology, banking, and espeically the venture capitlist world.

So I think they are out there funding good work, just not openly. I think that clandestine assistance situation will continue for decades.

[Daozen]

Posted by dynamo (here)
Quite noble of you, Daozen.
However, I think it would take years to ascertain which ants were sick or just stoned on...heaven knows what, and having some fun.
My point is, just as we do not understand ants, aliens probably don't understand us.
Perhaps they live for 2000+ years so one human lifetime to them would be a few minutes, so to speak...
Perhaps they don't even know what cancer is yet, or if it's is a good or bad thing?
I think I've made my point.
Also, waiting for some alien to save humankind sure seems like a waste of a human life, to me, anyway.
I am happy to awake every morning with a chance to learn and grow, mentally and spiritually.
Physically?
That is not impossible but this body of mine has been ravaged to the point of requiring a lot of intervention by specialists (along with my own attempts to heal it).
Anyway, great topic, thanks again for starting it!!!

Not noble, just something to do on a Sunday morning. I like challenges. We don't fully understand ants, but some people dedicate their entire lives to the study of insects. Likewise, I'm sure there are some who dedicate their lives towards studying surface humans. There will be others who don't care about us. Likely there will be a full spectrum of opinions towards us. As we live just 3 score and 10 years they may see us as temporary creatures, as you said. My personal view is that they know exactly what cancer is, and are behind the drive for alt cancer therapies. It's up to us to take control of our own health and diet. They can't force us to eat well.

As far as physical health is concerned, Im convinced the keys to a long life 200+ years are out there on the internet.

Thanks for your points, they helped me think of the situation from an outsiders persepctive.

[Shannon]

Posted by peterpam (here)

Posted by Shannon (here)
Sometimes I use benevolent humans as a comparison to benevolent et's...there's many good hearted people who want to help animals, the homeless, the starving and nature but just don't have the resources or the ability to at this time. Maybe they don't have the money to because they made a dumb mistake and owe some higher authority, they cannot travel to where the help is needed, or they don't have the means of communicating.

I think that what you stated here might be one of the reasons we are in our current situation. Even if you don't have money or a lot of extra time you can find something to do that puts you in alignment with your ideals. If someone has opted out of doing this with the excuse of no time or money or a myriad of other excuses than I would really question just how good hearted they really are.

While I agree with your statement, I was meaning on a grand scale.

Let's put it like this. I'd love to cure cancer, or stop famine and children from starving. Me not being able to do those thing alone and on my dime, and with my current commitments, I have to do things on small scale that may not be curing cancer but am comforting a child with cancer.

I can't stop famine, but I can bring food to a local pantry. I'd love to stop puppy mills and animal abuse ...I cannot house more than a few dogs, and I'm not able to arrest abusers, but I can volunteer time at local shelters and report abuse when I see it.

So as much as you make a point, you missed the mark I put up

[findingneo]

I did notice that some people automatically assumed you were wanting them to guide you, rather than just answering the question. It happens a lot, everywhere. Not consciously I don't think.

What I think is that maybe we could be very well chatting away to folk who are from elsewhere, and doing a good job here. I doubt being a human (oid) visitor doing a job which actually assists mother earth for instance, can save the whole planet, but maybe they do what they can do, at a grass roots level, as an individual, and maybe as a group as well. I mean, why not? I would like to think so.

It does not have to be altruistic. It can assist us and earth and benefit the greater community, and environment. Not saying there aren't bad dudes, we know there is, and what the score is, but I hope that does not prevent hope that it is worth the effort to work towards the positive.

How do we know what will shift the score as to how much help we would be given. And sure, we have to get ourselves out of this mess, and we should not rely on someone else doing it for us, but while we say it is our job, and yet do, not much, things are marching in a particular direction, and standing still, flexing muscles, is not going to cut it. Not only that, but it is selfish and self centered to think this is just our problem to fix.

We don't own this place, we are a part of it. We are both prisoners and caretakers gone astray. It is not our property to say what happens to it. If there are those that can help, then I am glad if they are, but at the same time, we must be aware that there are those that do not want to help, but to take.Which we are, even if we are not looking it square in the face, which we probably should, such as the abduction/hybrid phenomenon.

I am hoping those that want to help, and I mean really help, are doing it without doing a song and dance about it, and are just getting on with it.

That is what I think, right now.

Anyway, I really like the way you think Daozen.
You have your own balanced and informed thoughts, you don't want or need someone to guide you, but you want to know what others are thinking about your question.

Thanks.

[Shannon]

Posted by Daozen (here)
Again, thank you kindly for the pep talks everyone. The "Hullo Daozen lemme explain to you about hard work and self-responbility." replies are well meant, I'm sure. Thanks guys.

This thread is an exploration of the nature of the blockade. If there are parallel civilizations, why are they not helping us more directly? It's a question that everyone who studies UFOlogy must have asked themselves at some point.

The question in the title contains a false assumption, which some people picked up on. How do we know they're not helping us already? I think they're performing a vital background role, and walking among us incognito. I also think they're already active in technology, banking, and espeically the venture capitlist world.

So I think they are out there funding good work, just not openly. I think that clandestine assistance situation will continue for decades.

Sometimes I wonder if parallel civilizations are just as clueless to us as we are of them, and being parallel that they also have PTB, who make sure to keep us separated and in the dark to their hinderence or their help.

Unfortunately this year I had to take out a whole colony of ants... I didn't want to but I had to. They were coming in my house and as much as I try to live and let live, I had take them out. I tried more than a few ways to stop them without resorting to mass murder...but that became my only choice eventually.

Now that has me wondering what if we became such a pest to ET's, somehow invading their space (space), and making life harder for them, if we could be taken down just as easily. Lol

This is one of those questions that just goes around and around ...

[Yetti]

hey guys have you seen the movie , Jupiter rising? a good analogy for a possible explanation , I am sure there are both , as is above is below, there are good guys and bad guys everywhere to fulfill the dicotomy of polarity in this universe.

[scanner]

There are helpers. But, we have to learn for ourselves, working it out is the hard part. Just a side note, we do not die. It's the vehicle that dies not you.

[Foxie Loxie]

Right on, scanner!! THERE IS NO DEATH!! I believe that is the most important thing I have learned here on Avalon....that we are Sovereign, Eternal Beings who have been kept dumbed down for centuries.

[findingneo]

P.S., lots of people are not Sovereign, unfortunately. Oops! I just realized I read the original question wrongly.

[Rawhide68]

Posted by Shannon (here)
S Maybe they don't have the money to because they made a dumb mistake and owe some higher authority, they cannot travel to where the help is needed, or they don't have the means of communicating.

So what makes man/woman beeing bad or good?

[TargeT]

Posted by Rawhide68 (here)

Posted by Shannon (here)
S Maybe they don't have the money to because they made a dumb mistake and owe some higher authority, they cannot travel to where the help is needed, or they don't have the means of communicating.

So what makes man/woman beeing bad or good?

subjective preference...

learning that is the most powerful thing ever... good luck though (depending on your upbringing)

[Lookingforrealtruth]

No matter what , pain will always be remembered, literately for eternity, never a good thing, never right.

It seems that thousands of years ago there was an attack on mars (or a massive war, galaxy wide) and that some survivors fled to earth to try and fend off the attackers - later on over time it seems that the attackers are constantly encouraging deception , lies , propaganda (many religions, etc - lies), in attempt to make sure that people for thousands of years have kept believing in lies - so that when or if the attackers (enslavers) feel that a lot of people on earth are deceived and lied to - then that is when they assimilate.

The possible "plan"

To encourage growth of the people of the planet , wanting as much people on the planet , however to make sure to keep populace in check, (if too much people, then possible rebellion, not a little amount of people since the plan is for assimilation) , deceive and indoctrinate people with lies for thousands of years , to almost "ingrain" and "fixate" lies into the minds of people - make sure that mostly or all people are deceived into lies (such as making or telling people that they - the attackers / enslavers are good people) - then to assimilate.

By the way, a lot of the enslavers, are also under control , most likely in many ways; mind control, deception, etc-lies - the enslavers are mostly of people that have been assimilated from various areas of space.

example images:

Also, there is a possible reason that the word "harvesting" when apparently talked about so called "ascension" - really means "to collect" - to assimilate (both the word's "harvesting" and "ascension" mean the same) - as also - the so called "collective consciousness" refers to a hive-mind thinking , no individual thinking - no self expression.

The people of this planet and elsewhere (apparently there are literately thousands of planets with people that are literately under the same or similar situation as on earth) has been under enslavement for thousands of years.

While under this situation, if not in compliance then most likely almost fully wiped of memory to then be possibly relocated to another planet under slavery or back on the same planet - undergoing pain again. The plan is to control.

[Shannon]

Posted by Rawhide68 (here)

Posted by Shannon (here)
S Maybe they don't have the money to because they made a dumb mistake and owe some higher authority, they cannot travel to where the help is needed, or they don't have the means of communicating.

So what makes man/woman beeing bad or good?

Well, for me bad is when the persons actions and intent is to do harm or to deceive for the benefit of themselves. And good is when they don't make other people's lives hell, are honest with themselves and others and try to lift themselves and others up instead of stepping on their face.

And yeah what target said.