Americans are being manipulated into hating one another so that the Left can usher in an authoritarian government — don’t fall for it

[conk]

There does seem to be an agenda with divisiveness and separatism at it's core. I do not think you can blame the left entirely, as the conservatives play a role as well. Heck, the left/right set up is part of the agenda. One against the other, with 'them' goading us on. It's all a small part of the vastly larger attempt to keep us ignorant about our very existence as magnificent splinters of God. Black and white, hot and cold, Dem and Rep, Christians and Muslims, Up there and down here. In fact everything is simply a spot on the huge electromagnetic spectrum, variances up and down the scale, but not discretely different opposites. There are no opposites, just perceptions of our place in space and time. Everything is God. There is nothing that is not God. If we're always fighting over which end of the scale is right, then we'll never understand how much power we command; that we don't need to seek salvation from some god, government, or institution.

[Chester]

Posted by Logos1350 (here)
I very much enjoyed your post. You are very well spoken and your mind is clear and organized. You're thoughtful, and I like that. I must confess, however, that I am not real keen on the "anti-left" sentiment. Your use of the term "alt-left" in particular confuses me. The term "alt-right" was coined by a white supremacist in an attempt rebrand his movement. Since then, certain people have adopted the label for themselves. It's a euphemism designed to clean up their image for public consumption. There is simply nothing equivalent on the other side; NOBODY refers to themselves as "alt-left". I would hesitate to foist upon someone a made-up term that implies they seek to rebrand themselves when they do NOT. That, indeed, is a meaningful and material distinction between "right" and "left"--as you use the terms.

Actually, this is a term "Alt-Left" that has come into being and as best I know it was coined by Sean Hannity. He also defines what he means by that term and indeed there is a very obvious group (though not a group folks wittingly join) of which are radical left and so Bubu nailed it.

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Posted by Logos1350 (here)
I would also urge to reconsider this whole "Right/Left" thing. I'm convinced there really is an authoritarian government in the offing, and the people pushing it couldn't give two figs whether we think it's coming from the "right" or the "left". Frankly, I think this whole "right/left" thing is a well organized distraction. I see republicans and democrats as a single two-headed monster, and SOMEONE out there just LOVES that so much of our attention is focused on some fake rivalry between the two. So long as everyone is captivated in this "winning and losing" mindset amongst ourselves, then no one steps back, looks around, and takes in the bigger picture. The "Orwellian State" won't come from the "left" or the "right". It will continue to sneak up from behind, exactly as it has been doing all along.

and just to add... I agree with this whole heartedly.

[Chester]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
How do you define "The Left"? Or does your simple ideological bias make every Boogie Man you disagree with have a "Left" source?

There are many threats to our soverign status. Look around.

A little more discernment would go a long way here.

B.

Agreed. As soon as I see people continuing to use labels that generalize large groups of people, for whatever reason (skin colour, religion, political alignment)

The Alt Right tend more towards christian white based nationalism whereas the Alt Left make everything about some type of identity based on skin color, economic class, religion, nationality, gender, sexual preference and gender identity preference.

I like each of us to be measured by our actions individually (which also includes words).

Sadly there's both "alts" and I believe that was the gist of what Bubu posted about.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Sammy (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Fellow Aspirant (here)
How do you define "The Left"? Or does your simple ideological bias make every Boogie Man you disagree with have a "Left" source?

There are many threats to our soverign status. Look around.

A little more discernment would go a long way here.

B.

Agreed. As soon as I see people continuing to use labels that generalize large groups of people, for whatever reason (skin colour, religion, political alignment)

The Alt Right tend more towards christian white based nationalism whereas the Alt Left make everything about some type of identity based on skin color, economic class, religion, nationality, gender, sexual preference and gender identity preference.

I like each of us to be measured by our actions individually (which also includes words).

Sadly there's both "alts" and I believe that was the gist of what Bubu posted about.

That's a bit like making reference to a subgroup of black people for any reason and calling them the "alt-blacks" -- there is still stereotyping and generalization happening regarding a specific group of people who by definition of their skin are indeed black.

Bubu made no indication about any alt group (but I am not saying he didn't intend to refer to one, he most likely did) and that is the gist of my issue. While "alt-blacks" might be a group of blacks comprised of people who I do not appreciate for some reason (let say this group is comprised of black skinned criminals specifically), would I not be in the wrong for merely referring to them only as "black people" when speaking negatively about this one specific groups behaviour (the alt-black criminals)? Would I not be causing a divide between myself, my view and all of black people? It would show me as uneducated for one, perhaps as a bigot, or someone with malicious intent, or perhaps as a pawn to someone else's game who has the intent to drive discord between blacks and non blacks.

BTW, the bias between your view on "right vs left" is showing in your description of the two groups The first group you liken to having a state of "christianity" and "nationalism" (completely neutral connotations - almost positive) and the second you refer to sweepingly describes an action that they "make everything" about blah, blah, blah (negative connotations - content at this point doesn't matter). The subconscious comes out more easily than expected at times - something Freud understood very well.

That said, I do actually agree that using terms like "alt-right" and "alt-left" do work to be less stigmatizingly sweeping across huge groups of people - even to those in whom the statement was not intended to apply to, but I don't see those terms used often.

Anyway, we can go back to topic, I just wanted to say that; I have hopes that the quality and accuracy of someones written intention will improve the quality of the discussion level on any and all topics. Especially important, I believe, when discussing things like religion, and political alignment

[pyrangello]

How about instead of right or left we just go with individuals who are productive and want to contribute to society for the themselves and others and those who are the ones that feel they are owed and everything should be equal without putting in the same effort.

One of my closest friends told me a few years ago, Doctors make to much money . i was telling him how my one buddy has done 25,000 surgeries and saved countless lives. Also told him how his personal liability insurance went from 25k to 50 k a year for him to pay personally every year in 10 years time. My buddy said I was lying and he makes to much money. I just wanted to bang my head on the wall in disbelief how ignorant my friend was, and oh yes he hates this president too.

Then another friend of mine has one son who is 35 years old , been in college 8 years and has no intentions of ever leaving college or getting a job.When he speaks to his parents he throws the F bomb at them like a drunken sailor in disrespect.I told his father no more on that . This young man or kid is just waiting for the parents to kick so he can inherit their money, he already went thru his trust money. His mom says he a genius , I have other opinions of him. At the end of the day though, its the individuals with power and money or position that wish to divide us to empower themselves , because after all if we ever did come together as one to assist and take care of each other why would we need them and they know that and capitalize on that and NEVER want us to come together, so they issue titles of importance to individuals and groups,boost the ego and make them want more. Those working and trying to live a decent , honest living ,are to busy contributing than worrying about feeding the ego ? Margaret Thatcher once said : "The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of others peoples money." On a principle of just numbers without any other factors that statement is like a church bell .

I should add I mean no disrespect to those who truly need help or assistance. Safety nets are built in place from both groups for individuals who truly need a hand up. And there should be , not everything is perfect and there are so many situations beyond our control . And we should assist those who have some unfortunate event happened in their lives that truly need help.

[Chester]

So what if, to facilitate a discussion which uses words to point to things that (ideas, etc) that make understanding simpler and assist with economy in words?

Face it - folks use labels. So to refer to those labels and to describe as best one can what the users of those labels mean facilitates discussion of the technique and process of using labels.

If a male white guy approximately 6 foot tall walked up to my wife and slammed her on the head and then ran off... does anyone think that I should tell the police that "something" accosted my wife?

Labels have a usage and can and should be used.

The term "label" is also a label itself. And so misuse or abuse of "labeling" should be pointed out, yet proper usage of labeling should be appreciated and respected.

What I have experienced from the "Alt-Left" and much of the "fringe Alt-Left" far more than I have experienced from anything I have seen on the right all the way up to the "extreme Alt-Right" is the demonization of anyone who says a word about any "group" (which would be identified by various labels) as wrong and not just wrong, but that their speech should be barred, censured, disallowed... which is ridiculous.

Just because I might say the word "gay" as part of a description of one of my friends to another of my friends (knowing full well I fully appreciate and respect my friends sexual preference and knowing full well not just what's in my heart but what has been my words and actions related to the defense of everyone's right to decide their sexual preference), does not make me a "bad guy." Yet this is what much of the media and the PC culture is doing now and it is a fact that well over 90% of the folks who do this happen to be lefties. Face it because its true.

But just because that is a fact and just because I and many others have observed this and that I and many others have spoken about it, does not mean we demonize the Left or the Alt-Left because... and I will speak for myself, I point out this correlation and pattern and yet I do not tell them they cannot speak their own views and opinions. I simply attempt to point out to them that by doing so, they create a barrier to the solution.

What solution would that be? That we assess others based on their individual track records while simultaneously considering both their education and previous life circumstances and then consider how best we can assist them to raise their own expression of personal responsibility in being a positive part of a civilized world.

If we cannot point out the damage caused by the usage of identity politics and how the young and vulnerable are so susceptible to buying into all that and if we cannot point out the impossible to deny correlation between the usage of identity politics and those whose political ideologies are lean left, left and then extreme left, then we will be greatly held back from every getting past this obstacle to achieving a world of peace.

[Raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8xA...&feature=share
brief interesting clip that I was glad a friend posted re Charlottesville

[Chester]

It will not end until the identity politics scam ends - a scam perpetrated by the democrats/left

start at 3:05 and listen for 21 seconds

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kGPRhzz--eY

[DNA]

I just saw a random clip/news feed that stated that 22 million Americans support Neo-Nazi-ism.
There is no way that is true, this is more lies feeding the antifa hate machine.
Giving them the idea that their cause is true and their goals are noble.


Neo Nazi racism exists on such a miniscule scale as to be so politically insignificant it is not even funny.
The only Nazis the liberals need to worry about are the ones in the deep state controlling their media feed.

[pyrangello]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8xA...&feature=share I re-posted Ravens u tube link, For those who are skeptical, watch this , this American has it pegged and he's funny too. On the ground reporting of whats really happening! Salute to him!

[Jayke]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Anyway, we can go back to topic, I just wanted to say that; I have hopes that the quality and accuracy of someones written intention will improve the quality of the discussion level on any and all topics. Especially important, I believe, when discussing things like religion, and political alignment

I always recommend people to study the Clare Graves system of character development when it comes to predictive modelling of various groups/types of people. One of Clare Graves students was Wyatt Woodsmall, who was one of the first certified NLP training trainers when NLP was first emerging as a field. John Grinder (a co-founder of NLP), was a CIA green beret and involved Woodsmall in teaching the Clare Graves system of behavioural modelling to the CIA. When combined with another method of personality profiling developed by the CIA in the 60's-70's, the Gittinger Personality Assessment System, you can develop a really nuanced understanding of behavioural systems in government, politics, religion etc. It wouldn't surprise me if Gittingers PAS and the Clare Graves system form the foundation of the CIA's eagle eye spying systems that gather everyone's google and facebook data to plug into their predictive, supercomputer, modelling scenarios; an aid in deciding which groups they can play against each other to create maximum chaos and division.

Anyway, super basic breakdown of the Clare Graves model:

Level 4 - Bible Belt republicans (traditional left)
Level 5 - Self serving democrats (traditional right)
Level 6 - New Age, airy fairy hipsters (Alt left)
Level 7 - Self Soverign Conspiracy nuts (Alt right)

Interestingly, Clare Graves mentions that the level 4,5,6 triad is where the dynamics of Orwels 1984 emerge. The herd that follow authority (level 4), the despotic, self proclaimed overlords (level 5), and the double speak spin doctors that use labels to proclaim the moral high ground while really just finding justification for their self entitled hedonistic and amoral lifestyles (level 6).

An example of a level 7 country would be Russia--more interested in preserving their self sovereignty--than starting wars around the world to impose their own ideas of democracy on other countries, such as the USA has a history of doing. Russia made the transition out of the 4,5,6 dynamic when it shook off its soviet era communism. Hopefully the leaders of the USA will eventually see sense and a smooth transition can be made to a higher, more humanistic, level of being in the world.