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    Default USS John S. McCain collides with 600-foot tanker

    search and rescue continues for 10 missing sailors

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/20/sear...f-malacca.html

    NOTE: this is the 2nd U.S. Naval warship involved in a major collision within a month period.

    The USS Fitzgerald was rammed by a cargo ship on June 17 and seven sailors lost their lives. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/politi...avy/index.html

    A view from Hudson who (I belive) is a CIA informant.



    Joseph Farrell's view (this was published BEFORE the 2nd collision).

    ". . . was the attack done by cyber attack, as I've also speculated before? Or has what we know about electromagnetic pulse publicly been rendered obsolete by a whole new class of electromagnetic pulse weapons, weapons that can shut down particular systems, and not others?" complete article: https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/08/th...k-usa-repairs/
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    Default Re: USS John S. McCain collides with 600-foot tanker

    This is the other story involving a Japanese cargo ship...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...argo-ship.html

    Another source Ba-ba-Ra has included alternate link in OP which I missed somehow...
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    Default Re: USS John S. McCain collides with 600-foot tanker

    The US Navy has become so unsecure that they now are making a "operational Pause" for who knows how long

    Here´s the Chief of Naval Operations talking about the "Pause":
    https://twitter.com/USNavy/status/89...483328/video/1

    As Star Tsar pointed out the last two collisions where not the only "accidents" that happened.
    Here´s another Report about the fishing boat incident:

    Cruiser Lake Champlain Collides With South Korean Fishing Vessel That Lacked Radio, GPS

    Guided-missile cruiser USS Lake Champlain (CG-57) and a South Korean fishing vessel collided in international waters east of the Korean Peninsula, the Navy said in a statement this morning. That fishing vessel lacked functioning radio or GPS and did not heed audio warnings, a defense official told USNI News.
    Lake Champlain was conducting routine operations at the time of the collision with the 65-foot boat, 502 Nam Yang. No one was injured, and both ships were able to navigate under their own power afterwards.
    The incident, which took place around 11:50 a.m. on May 9, 2017, local time, is under investigation by both the U.S. Navy and South Korean Coast Guard. Damage assessments are also underway, and the Navy statement did not comment on damage to Lake Champlain other than to say it was hit on the port side, amid ship. The defense official told USNI News that Lake Champlain appeared to have a small dent from the collision, and the fishing vessel had damage to its bow.
    Visibility was limited during the time of the collision, the defense official said. Lake Champlain hailed the fishing vessel through its bridge-to-bridge communications with no success and sounded its horn, but the collision was not avoided. The cruiser was operating near USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) at the time.
    Lake Champlain was operating in the area as part of the Carl Vinson Carrier Strike Group, which deployed to the Pacific in January and was redirected towards the Korean Peninsula last month to deal with rising tensions with North Korea.
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    here´s another one (january 2017):
    USS Antietam guided-missile cruiser runs aground, leaks oil
    The USS Antietam, a US Navy Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser, damaged its propellers and spilled hydraulic oil into the water after running aground off the coast of Japan.
    The incident, which occurred Tuesday while the ship was anchoring in Tokyo Bay near Yokosuka, Japan, did not result in any injuries to US or Japanese personnel, but the discharge of up to 1,100 gallons of hydraulic oil prompted environmental concerns.
    "The Navy is cooperating with the Government of Japan and Local Japanese Coast Guard in response to this issue and is exhausting all options to minimize impacts to the environment," according to a statement from Kyoko Sugita, a US Navy spokesperson.
    The US has deployed a vessel to monitor the area for any visible signs of oil on the shoreline and vowed to initiate immediate clean-up procedures if any is detected.
    The USS Antietam was able to safely return to Yokosuka Naval Base with the help of tug boats following the incident and continuing inspections show that oil is no longer leaking from the ship, the Navy said.
    An investigation is underway to assess the full extent of the damage to the ship, according to the Navy.
    source:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/01/po...pan/index.html

    And here is the Investigation about the USS Fitzgerald collision

    http://www.secnav.navy.mil/foia/read...Fitzgerald.pdf
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    Default Re: USS John S. McCain collides with 600-foot tanker

    Ah, I forgot the most prestigious breakdown in the history of the US Navy.
    The most expensive Warship and the crown of the US Navy the USS Zumwalt just broke down while passing the Panama Canal in November 2016. It had to be towed into an naval Base. This Monster of destruction did cost about 4 Trillion Dollars !
    Already in September it was leaking water and had to be repaired

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    Default Re: USS John S. McCain collides with 600-foot tanker

    By the way a modern Destroyer can reverse direction in 12 seconds!



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    Default Re: USS John S. McCain collides with 600-foot tanker

    This has to tie in with the Fat Leonard story ......

    We are most likely looking at the Chinese or Russians being able to cripple or take over the tech on these boats.
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    Default Re: USS John S. McCain collides with 600-foot tanker

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    This has to tie in with the Fat Leonard story ......

    We are most likely looking at the Chinese or Russians being able to cripple or take over the tech on these boats.
    Maybe, but incompetence has a long tradition in the american forces.

    For example the USS William D. Porter (WW2):
    Do you ever get sick of hearing about "the greatest generation"? For over 60 years now, it's been all "they survived the Depression" this and "they defeated the Nazis" that and "they never looked stupid in hats." Well, not everything the heroes of the 20th century did was pitch perfect. For example, the WWII destroyer USS William D. Porter was easily the stupidest ship ever launched. If ships were people, this one would be the kid who ate paste off a stick. And then almost killed the president by accident.
    So when we say that this ship's service played out in exactly the way it would if it had been a hastily scripted Adam Sandler comedy, we're not exaggerating. We're talking about a ship that ...

    #1. Wrecked a Friendly Ship Just Pulling Out of Port
    The USS William D. Porter's completely ridiculous career as a warship began with an important escort mission. What could go wrong? Well, they came fairly close to accidentally blowing up the president, so there's that. But the problems started before they even left port.
    The destroyer was specifically commissioned to serve as an escort for larger boats (destroyers are widely known to be the Navy's Kevin Costners to other ships' Whitney Houstons). So in November of 1943, the William D. Porter was, as its first mission, to escort the battleship USS Iowa across the Atlantic Ocean to an important summit in Iran. "Why would a battleship need to go to a political summit?" you're probably asking. "It can't even talk." The answer is that the president of the United States, the secretary of state and the joint chiefs of staff were on the Iowa, and they had a secret appointment with Joseph Stalin and Winston Churchill. So it was a big deal. The USS William D. Porter was only one of the ships in the convoy that was going to get them there. There was only one problem: The Porter was staffed with the cast of Police Academy.
    The trouble started before the boat even left the dock. Specifically, someone forgot to raise the anchor up all the way, and as they backed out ever so slowly, they dragged the anchor along the moored deck of her sister ship. Picture an anchor scraping along railings, lifeboats and thousands of dollars' worth of war **** like a coked up toddler in a candy store. Picture the looks on the faces of the newbie sailors as they watched it happen a) on their first day on the job and b) on the way to meet the freaking president. The captain of the Porter, Wilfred Walter, issued a quick apology, looked at his watch and realized he really needed to meet up with the USS Iowa for their escort mission. So he said, "Wellllp. Catch you later, dude!" and left, leaving the U.S. Navy with the mess. But hey, beginners' nerves, right? How much worse could things get from there?
    Much. Much worse.

    #2. Nearly Blew Up the President's Boat With a Depth Charge ...
    Twenty-four hours after the anchor-scrape incident, the Porter meekly took its place alongside the rest of the convoy, no doubt with her metaphorical head hanging and her shame glasses on. The journey across the Atlantic would take eight days, and the ships would pass through U-boat-infested waters during wartime, so it was critical that the boats keep up with training and maneuvers on the journey. For example, in a real-live battle situation, if a submarine got too close, it was the destroyer's job to drop depth charges (just huge bombs that sink down and blow up next to the submerged sub). So, one of the drills that the Porter was tasked with was sending out fake depth charges for practice. Yes, the geniuses on the Willie Dee never got around to disarming their anti-submarine weapons. And on November 12, a live depth charge just fell off the deck. Fell. As in it kind of rolled off, into the ocean, within killing distance of the president of the United States. And it exploded. And that was when **** got real.
    As you can imagine, the sonar on every ship in the convoy started ringing like the world was ending, because clearly there was an enemy boat within firing range. In addition to trying to track the phantom Nazi down, the ships also began executing evasive maneuvers, which means they were tasked with getting the hell out of the line of fire. Surely the Axis powers had intelligence on the secret mission and were after them, knowing that freaking FDR was on board. Just as the captain probably got ready to wheel FDR over the deck in a mercy killing, everyone got a message from the Porter. They did it. The Willie Dee was actually fortunate that the bomb had sank a ways before detonating, otherwise their entire stern would have blown off. But we're going to take a wild guess and presume no one was counting their lucky stars at the moment when they had to make that call. And then, because every single man on the Willie Dee had made a deal with the devil and lost, a freak wave hit the boat, knocking one guy overboard (he was never found) and flooding the boiler room. This resulted in a loss of power, which put the William D. Failure even further behind the rest of the convoy. If it had been us, we would have just quietly turned tail and slipped on back to the States. But they didn't. Even though Admiral Ernest King, who was in charge of the convoy (and getting sick of the problems and hourly damage reports from the Willie Dee), personally radioed Captain Walter, telling him to cut the **** out and start acting properly. Walter vowed to "improve his ship's performance." But of course he didn't, otherwise this list wouldn't exist.

    #3. ... Then Accidentally Launched a Torpedo at the President's Boat
    So by this point, everyone on the mission was understandably a little skittish. So FDR himself takes the initiative of asking the crew of the Iowa to demonstrate that they could defend themselves if someone other than the idiots at the back of the convoy tried to attack them; specifically, to defend itself if the Iowa were under attack from the air. Somewhere in the back of his mind, he probably imagined the Porter was capable of flying, and he wanted to be ready. The way this particular drill worked was that the Iowa would release balloons that served as targets for anti-aircraft guns. Fair enough. Until some of the balloons drifted over to the Porter and someone (Captain Walter) thought it was time for redemption. So he ordered his crew to fire on any balloons missed by the Iowa's gunners. That part went fine. Then, feeling cocky, he ordered a practice firing of their torpedoes. And the practice target would be the Iowa. Oh, yes. You know what's about to happen.
    They announced "Fire one!" and the first fake torpedo was fake fired. "Fire two!" and the second fake torpedo was fake fired. "Fire three!" and a swooshing sound was heard. The crew watched in horror as an actual torpedo left the tube and made a beeline for the Iowa and the president of the United States. Remember that this was a secret mission -- no one knew the president of the United States would be on the USS Iowa until he boarded it, and even then the whole deal was hush-hush. They were at war, after all. And all it would take to sabotage the trip would be one slip-up to the wrong person. Which was why the convoy was supposed to exercise radio silence.
    Now, there are occasions when you have to break radio silence, like if for instance something even worse than being discovered by the enemy will happen if you don't. You'd think that "just shot a torpedo at the president" would be one of those times when you have to break the rule for the greater good. Not according to the brainiacs on the Porter. They decided radio silence trumped the life of their commander in chief and everyone else on board the ship, so they used light signals to warn the Iowa a torpedo was coming. Light signals. Like it was 1775 and they were at the Old North Church waiting for Paul Revere. But they couldn't even get that part right. The signalman quickly told the Iowa that a torpedo was in the water ... except he said that it was going in the opposite direction. Realizing his mistake, the signalman tried again. This time he completely botched it and accidentally signaled to the Iowa "We're going in reverse full speed." We wouldn't be surprised if the Iowa had a little party at that news.
    Finally, someone decided to break radio silence and ordered Iowa to turn right fast. After haggling over who was calling, the Iowa quickly obliged. Obviously the president was panicking, knowing that death could be on its way ... oh wait, no, Roosevelt asked to be rolled over to watch the torpedo action. His Secret Service agents then proceeded to pull their pistols to shoot the torpedo themselves if necessary. Luckily, the torpedo wound up missing the boat, thanks to the Iowa's sharp turn. This was about the point when Admiral King ordered the Porter to please leave the convoy, lest they try to assassinate the president again. So the crew followed orders and sailed to Bermuda, where they found themselves confronting armed Marines who were there to arrest them. All of them. It was the first time an entire Navy crew had been arrested.

    #4. While in Exile, Fired a Shell at a Base Commander's House
    There are worse places to face an inquiry than Bermuda, and after all the appropriate questions were answered, the captain and a few officers were sentenced to shore duty. It could have been much worse. The guy who forgot to disable the torpedo got hard labor, although his sentence was later reduced by Roosevelt himself.
    But obviously no one was going to let the Porter get anywhere near a high-profile mission ever again. So they sent them to the only campaign no one ever really cared about: Alaska. They got exiled to the Aleutian Islands, with the U.S. Navy figuring they couldn't possibly screw anything up over there. There are practically zero presidents to assassinate in Alaska. After surviving in the freezing cold for nearly a year with nary a disaster, everything was going well. Right up until they were about to leave for reassignment, that is. One of the sailors on board had gotten drunk and decided to give the big guns a whirl. Unfortunately for that sailor, the shell was steered by the powers of bad luck right into the base commander's front yard, exploding in his flower garden, obviously ruining the flowers and further demolishing what was left of the ship's reputation. This would have been bad enough, except the sailor fired it while the commander had other officers and their wives over for a party.
    By this point, the Porter was the latrine duty of the Navy -- serving on it was considered a punishment. But it was OK, because the war was drawing to a close and the ship was getting reassigned to the Pacific! She would finally have a real chance at redemption! That is, until it ...

    #5. Finally Sank in the Most Embarrassing Way Possible
    By 1945, the ship's reputation had not improved. Her crew was often welcomed with the phrase "Don't shoot! We're Republicans!" and raucous laughter. Her reputation sank even lower after she riddled another sister ship with gunfire during the early stages of the Battle of Okinawa. Finally, the Porter was stationed on the perimeter of the battle, where they were sure to not kill anyone. And they actually did alright out there. They used their anti-sub and anti-aircraft weapons correctly, avoided sinking allied ships, shot down five Japanese planes and never once attempted to assassinate the president. Not bad, all things considered. Being the USS William D. Porter, however, you know this fairy tale wouldn't last.
    Among the enemy planes were wood and canvas bombers -- there was so little metal on the Japanese planes that they easily slipped past radar. So when this one plane aimed for a ship near the Porter, the Porter took evasive maneuvers. YAY! SUCCESS! FINALLY! The plane crashed into the ocean without exploding, and the high-five party began. What they didn't realize was that the kamikaze plane kept on its trajectory under water -- then exploded beneath the Willie Dee, with the force of the explosion lifting the destroyer smack out of the ocean. In other words, the ship was accidentally killed by an airplane that had already crashed.
    That spelled the end for what was the most hilariously incompetent ship in the history of the world. It sank three hours later, without the loss of a single crew member. We think the Porter kept them alive so they would forever have to live with the fact that they served on the Porter.

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    Quote Posted by uzn (here)
    For example the USS William D. Porter (WW2):
    That's really one of the funniest true stories (several of them!) that I've read for a very long time.

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    I dont know if this is the same but I read this the other week seems to be different. Or maybe the news mess it up or is me messing up

    "U.S. Navy destroyer, Philippines merchant vessel collide off Japan"
    "The Navy said in a statement that the USS Fitzgerald collided with a merchant vessel at about 2:30 a.m. local time (1730 GMT), some 56 nautical miles southwest of Yokosuka, a rare incident on a busy waterway".

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    OK, write all you want about these US Navy ships being misled by hacking of their sophisticated systems, you might be correct. However, what about posting watch on deck with real human sailors with human eyeballs? I read that these destroyers can turn on a dime and revers course in seconds. WOW! Too bad they do not choose to look where they are going. I would like to have the seventh fleet admirals courts marshalled for their failure to place common-sense captains on those ships. Instead they seem to have captains that are asleep at the wheel.
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    Quote Posted by wnlight (here)
    OK, write all you want about these US Navy ships being misled by hacking of their sophisticated systems, you might be correct. However, what about posting watch on deck with real human sailors with human eyeballs? I read that these destroyers can turn on a dime and revers course in seconds. WOW! Too bad they do not choose to look where they are going. I would like to have the seventh fleet admirals courts marshalled for their failure to place common-sense captains on those ships. Instead they seem to have captains that are asleep at the wheel.
    well all of us are merely speculating so may I add my version. As we have observe the PTB the past year seems to be hellbent on starting a war. The last of which N korea. which comes very close. So was Russia and/or China is making an statement. Putin and Xi are wise leaders they knew that war can only result in people losing so they are trying to avoid it as much as they could.
    two collision of the same class within two weeks time is certainly something,

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    Default Re: USS John S. McCain collides with 600-foot tanker

    And now we learn that the McCain lost steering three minutes before the collision.

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    Quote Posted by Spiral (here)
    This has to tie in with the Fat Leonard story ......

    We are most likely looking at the Chinese or Russians being able to cripple or take over the tech on these boats.
    Isn't this what Russia did with the USS Donald Cook?
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    The USS Donald Cook was temporarily crippled by Russian planes flying over it. That Russian capability must have put a real scare into the US Navy. But now, if the Russians can remotely cause similar failures then how can the US Navy operate. Perhaps now is not a good time for the USA to start WWIII - if ever.
    - Warren Light

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    Quote Posted by wnlight (here)
    The USS Donald Cook was temporarily crippled by Russian planes flying over it. That Russian capability must have put a real scare into the US Navy. But now, if the Russians can remotely cause similar failures then how can the US Navy operate. Perhaps now is not a good time for the USA to start WWIII - if ever.
    Well, since there is always war somewhere on the planet, maybe now is a good time for peace.

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    Quote Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
    search and rescue continues for 10 missing sailors

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/20/sear...f-malacca.html

    NOTE: this is the 2nd U.S. Naval warship involved in a major collision within a month period.

    The USS Fitzgerald was rammed by a cargo ship on June 17 and seven sailors lost their lives. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/politi...avy/index.html

    A view from Hudson who (I belive) is a CIA informant.



    Joseph Farrell's view (this was published BEFORE the 2nd collision).

    ". . . was the attack done by cyber attack, as I've also speculated before? Or has what we know about electromagnetic pulse publicly been rendered obsolete by a whole new class of electromagnetic pulse weapons, weapons that can shut down particular systems, and not others?" complete article: https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/08/th...k-usa-repairs/

    Thank God someone has come up with a better angle on this than I did.
    I was going with a secret war going on with Godzilla type monsters in the Pacific.
    But this one sounds much more plausible, so I'm going with this one for now.
    For the record there is no way I'm believing in two battle ships exhibiting this type of negligence in so far as their duties in navigation are concerned.

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    No indication of hacking so far.
    Most probable cause is sleep deprivation. From internal sources it´s said the sailors had to do 14 hours of service and then sleep 4 hours. Do this several days and you will find yourself in Wonderland. Totally not advisable on a planet with a 24 hours cycle.

    Amid 7th Fleet Turmoil, Sailors Open Up About The Navy’s Silent Threat: Sleep Deprivation
    full article:
    http://taskandpurpose.com/fitzgerald...rivation-navy/

    Has the Navy Reached Its Breaking Point?
    As the fleet shrank, the Navy was diligent about doing more with less. That strategy has limits.
    full article:
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/has-the...int-1503528503

    With the USS McCain collision, even Navy tech can’t overcome human shortcomings
    full article:
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017...-shortcomings/

    Admiral John Richardson Statement here:
    https://twitter.com/CNORichardson/st...23986908655620
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    Mad Hatter dons his IT cap...

    /sarc/
    Tip to the sysadmins, make sure you set whinge doze 10 to 'metered' connection, it avoids all those pesky / dodgy bloatware patches being downloaded in the background !!!

    PS Donning the 'black' hat for a mo... a truly special heartfelt thanks to the original 'stuxnet' crew... absolute gold chaps... keep releasing the good work.
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