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    Ewan you cannot mention Circles on Stones and then not mention the amazing Cochno Stone.

    Even Wikipedia is not very forthcomming. This is the shortest Wikipediaentry I have ever seen.
    The Cochno Stone is a large Cup and ring marked rock at Auchnacraig, Faifley, West Dunbartonshire, Scotland.
    The Bronze Age stone measuring 42 feet (13 m) by 26 feet (7.9 m) was rediscovered in 1887 by the Rev. James Harvey. It features around 90 carved indentations, considered to be one of the finest sets of petroglyphs in Scotland.
    The stone was reburied in the 1960s to protect it against vandalism. In 2015 it was partially re-exposed for investigation during a 3-day dig by a team involving archaeologists from the University of Glasgow, with a more complete re-exposure following a year later.

    Let me just rephrase that. It was found. then officials burried it again to protect it. Then they dug it up again to look at it and now they burried it again. See this Article in The Scotsman (Scotland´s National Newspaper). In there you can see a Video of them happy burring it again.
    http://www.scotsman.com/heritage/peo...rvey-1-4235359

    Anybody else thinking there is something fishy here. I mean it´s stone, it´s not gonna melt in the next 50 years. Anyway, noone can go there and look at it (it has to be protected ).

    So first here some old photos, in a time where noone really cared for an old rock.













    Thats the location of the Stone in Scotland
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    Some say it´s 10.000 years old, but as always that´s as good as any other guess.

    The Stone being daubed in white ‘paint’ by Ludovic MacLellan Mann in the 1930s. Note the style in the wall on the left of the Image.








    During the excavation:



    The Feet




    Ewan to your question: My best guess for rings (circles) would be that These are Starmaps of sorts. Not only displaying the planet but a System. The more rings the more planets around a sun. If I would want to explain somebody our solarsystem with a Picture I would go for rings.
    But that would only be possible if they had advanced knowledge of the stars in the past. So maybe they played Minigolf on there

    there is a Thread already about the Cochno Stone here:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...8-Cochno-Stone
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    Ewan to your question: My best guess for rings (circles) would be that These are Starmaps of sorts. Not only displaying the planet but a System. The more rings the more planets around a sun. If I would want to explain somebody our solarsystem with a Picture I would go for rings.
    But that would only be possible if they had advanced knowledge of the stars in the past. So maybe they played Minigolf on there

    there is a Thread already about the Cochno Stone here:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...8-Cochno-Stone
    I too thought it might be star maps, or representations of the solar system etc, but I asked as a question to see if anyone else offered the same thoughts.

    Seeing the Cochno stone I feel like refining my opinion to a record of sightings, of comets, including their trajectories and relative strengths - tracked over a very long period. I may be overthinking this, but we do know the ancients had a dedicated interest in the heavens and the cycles from all the alignments found in the stone ruins tied to sun, moon, venus etc.

    Is it noteworthy that the two foot prints have 4 toes, and in the painted version it could even appear as it were two different feet, one considerably different to what we expect a footprint to look like. Even the marks preceding them to the left are the same, two rounded oblate shapes though one has a protrusion that lines up with the similar foot. Two different artists, or two different peoples - or an overactive imagination?

    Wasn't sure about the significance of the 'style' that you pointed out, they're a common crossing-over design built into walls of this type, one which may even have been constructed when they Cochno Stone was not visible.


    EDIT: Now I've read the other thread, one needs to look no further than Billy's post for a pretty convincing argument. Kicking myself for not recognising Orion's Belt, I knew it looked familiar in the images above but the memory didn't trigger. Just like the Great Pyramids layout at Giza.
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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    Wasn't sure about the significance of the 'style' that you pointed out, they're a common crossing-over design built into walls of this type, one which may even have been constructed when they Cochno Stone was not visible.
    That was a remark that came with the Picture, it´s not my remark. Maybe I should have pointed that out.
    What you wrote is also my best guess And makes more sense than the other theories I read about these petroglyphs.

    Just a thought:
    Everybody else is displaying their old stuff (Egypt, Baalbeek, Stonehenge, etc) and making a good buck while at it. Not so Scotland. They are like: Let´s bury one of the finest sets of petroglyphs in Scotland. For later generations

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    Scotland’s national collection of Stone Age jade axeheads are rarely seen in public. We know, they like to bury stuff .

    They have a lot of very prestine and sharp jade axeheads that were found in Scotland. The offical dating is 4000 BC, but as any guess lets leave it at that. Jade cannot be carbondated since it is no carbon. Problem here is just that jade is not a common material in Scotland and jade axes are not the common joes tool.

    The scientist made it easy for themselfes, they said since the closest jadestash is in the alps the scots must have gotten it from there, or traded it from there. Thats the official theory for you.









    other Jade Axes in the scottish Museum


    This one is in the British Museum:


    Jade axe, Canterbury, Kent, England, Neolithic, about 4,000-2,000 BC


    I dont really buy that jade Axes all of a sudden became very trendy 4000 BC in Scotland. Also from the other angle it is a bit doubtful:
    The official Story: Some Alp Mountainpeople 4000 BC decided it would be a good enterprise to manufacture very fine jade axes and to carry and sell them 1600 Kilometers further north-west across the sea to some drunk irishmen or raving scotsmen. Without getting killed on the way or there or on the way back. That sounds not to plausible to me. Any better theories ?

    Source:
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    Default Re: Ancient Scotland, Brochs & Skara Brae

    Ewan here some Stone circles from Northumbria, that should be pretty close to Scotland.

    http://davesdistrictblog.blogspot.de...thumbrian.html
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    Thanks for bringing my attention to that. I headed up north today with the two kids in tow and visited a place called Roughting Linn. A Linn is a geographical water feature, I think 'roughting' is to do with sound. If it wasn't for the fact that there was another guy there, heading off to the waterfall, who had been there before I probably would not have found this place, (despite have used satellite imagery in maps before we went). There are zero signposts, anywhere! Interestingly I did find two posts either side of the rock mound that had been cut, not rotted away, close to the ground. They were square cut, about 4"/100mm, suggesting to my 'conspirational' brain there may have been signs once that were since removed. They were not part of a fenceline, there were no other posts near them in any direction I could find.

    I knew when we left home about 10:30 it was a horrible day for photography, the sky was gray from horizon to horizon and the clouds were quite low at about 1000' or 300m. We got back home at 15:30. In that interim period the sun peeped out a few times for a 5 minute period - when I was at the rock mound! Yay!

    Quote I've termed this the Bow-Tie, hopefully for obvious reasons. The tape was not to measure it but to demonstrate the hollow channel beneath it.




    If I travel back this way I will take some chalk with me, these colours were added in post processing to emphasise the marks


    The archetypical Cup and Ring marks



    Now the next four images fascinated me. They look all the world like footprints, and if you refer back in the thread to the Cochno Stone references you will see footprints were also seen there.






    I've had to split the post.
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    Above post continued...

    Quote Roughting Linn, about 300m NorthWest


    Many Marks






    I'm quite sure this hole is not made by any regular form of erosion




    Honeycomb erosion the likes of which I have never seen before but I do think it is entirely natural. Roughting Linn rock wall.


    At least this one we can all agree on, a Rock Troll stands/lies guarding the path to Roughting Linn.

    Jeez, I've had to split it again....

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    Part three...

    Quote Last summer, Kilmartin Glen, The supposed seat of the MacAlpin clan and first of the Scottish Kings






    I also had a close-up of one of the stones showing clear quartz crystals within the matrix of the stone. Unfortunately it got corrupted in editing and is lost to me. I have edited 1,000's upon 1,000's of pictures and I don't recall ever losing one to corruption before.
    If anyone is ever visiting Northumberland and wishes to see this for themselves, plus a couple of other sites that could all be taken in during one busy day, do get in touch and I'd be happy to act as guide.

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    Turns out Newcastle University has over 1,000 entries on rock art in Northumberland.

    http://rockart.ncl.ac.uk/browse

    ...and the entry on Roughting Linn...

    http://rockart.ncl.ac.uk/view/11

    Worth a read imo..

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    Kilmartin is one of my favourite ancient sites Ewan. Did you visit Temple wood there?

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    Quote Posted by Billy (here)
    Kilmartin is one of my favourite ancient sites Ewan. Did you visit Temple wood there?

    Attachment 36097Attachment 36098
    I did indeed. Here's the two little rodents...



    And thanks to your fortuitous question I found another image of the crystals within the standing stone I photographed.



    Did they come to grow in the grooves, or have they been exposed by weathering? I recall reading about people getting 'shocked' by touching standing stones and quite literally thrown off their feet.
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    Gilmerton Cove

    That´s all Wikipedia has on this cave:
    Gilmerton Cove is a series of underground passageways and chambers hand-carved from sandstone located beneath the streets of Gilmerton, an ex-mining village, now a southeastern suburb of Edinburgh, Scotland.
    A five-year collaborative project between Gilmerton Heritage Trust and The City of Edinburgh Council allowed the newly restored Cove to open in 2003 as an educational resource for the community as well as a place to visit.
    There are many theories about the origins of the Cove and its purpose. It is known that it was the 18th century residence of local blacksmith, George Paterson. The parish records show that he was reprimanded for allowing alcohol to be consumed within the Cove on the sabbath. It is not known whether Paterson was responsible for carving the Cove.

    But who knows, might be ancient.


    Would not bet on the description, but the floorplan is right.















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    Because of this masonic symbol found there some say the Maisons/Templars had something to do with the place. But it also could have been added later.

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    Edinburgh is a fascinating city in its own right, historically. The underground parts open to the public are not the whole story.

    A book I was reading from many years ago claimed tiny skeletons were found in an alcove, even claiming possible fae connections if I recall. Try searching that!

    And I cannot thank you enough for that preceding post. I have just found links for two books I have wanted to read for a long time...

    Walter Wentz: The Fairy Faith in Celtic Countries

    https://ia800208.us.archive.org/29/i...00evanrich.pdf

    Rev. Robert Kirk: The Secret Commonwealth of Elves, Fauns and Fairies, 1691

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/sce/

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    A truly fascinating thread for all Brits — and maybe others! It was only brought to my attention yesterday, proof that even very longstanding members who visit and read the forum every day can be quite unaware that some high-quality threads are right there still waiting to be discovered.


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    The Knap of Howar (/ˌnæp ˌɒv ˈhaʊər/) on the island of Papa Westray in Orkney, Scotland is a Neolithic farmstead which may be the oldest preserved stone house in northern Europe.[1] Radiocarbon dating shows that it was occupied from 3700 BC to 2800 BC, earlier than the similar houses in the settlement at Skara Brae on the Orkney Mainland.[2]



    Finds of finely-made and decorated Unstan ware pottery link the inhabitants to chambered cairn tombs nearby and to sites far afield including Balbridie and Eilean Domhnuill.

    Unstan ware and Beaker ware - referenced in the opening post of the thread appear to be indistinguishable from each other.



    One point that should be made at the outset is that there is no discernable difference in the culture- in the social anthropological sense- of the Grooved Ware and Unstan Ware people...it is only apparent from limited aspects of material culture and the evidence...shows it to have been subordinate to a tribal level of unity which took in the whole of Orkney - from Wiki page.

    Unstan ware got its name from Unstan Chambered Cairn


    Another construction type that arose but a little later - the natives of Ireland and Scotland built Crannogs

    A crannog[1][2][3] (/ˈkrænəɡ/; Irish: crannóg [ˈkɾˠan̪ˠoːɡ]; Scottish Gaelic: crannag [ˈkʰɾan̪ˠak]) is typically a partially or entirely artificial island, usually built in lakes and estuarine waters of Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. Unlike the prehistoric pile dwellings around the Alps, which were built on the shores and not inundated until later, crannogs were built in the water, thus forming artificial islands.

    Crannogs were used as dwellings over five millennia, from the European Neolithic Period[4] to as late as the 17th/early 18th century.[3]

    Crannogs are widespread in Ireland, with an estimated 1,200 examples,[13] while Scotland has 389 sites officially listed as such.[14] The actual number in Scotland varies considerably depending on definition—between about 350 and 500, due to the use of the term "island dun" for well over one hundred Hebridean examples—a distinction that has created a divide between mainland Scottish crannog and Hebridean islet settlement studies.[15][16] Previously unknown crannogs in Scotland and Ireland are still being found as underwater surveys continue to investigate loch beds for completely submerged examples.[17]




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