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    Frank Anthony Sturgis (December 9, 1924 – December 4, 1993), born Frank Angelo Fiorini, was one of the five Watergate burglars whose capture led to the end of the Presidency of Richard Nixon. He served in several branches of the United States military and in the Cuban Revolution of 1958, and worked as an undercover operative.

    In September 1977, Marita Lorenz told Paul Meskil of the New York Daily News that she met Oswald in the fall of 1963 at an Operation 40 safe house in the Little Havana section of Miami. According to Lorenz, she met him again before the Kennedy assassination in 1963 in the house of Orlando Bosch, with Sturgis, Pedro Luis Díaz Lanz, and two other Cubans present. She said the men studied Dallas street maps and that she suspected that they were planning on raiding an arsenal. Lorenz stated that she joined the men traveling to Dallas in two cars and carrying "rifles and scopes", but flew back to Miami the day after they arrived.

    Frank Sturgis and Lee Harvey Oswald !


    Marita Lorenz and Frank Sturgis


    Frank Strugis was of course CIA at the time.
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    I honestly do not think we will ever know

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    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    I honestly do not think we will ever know
    Well, we do know a LOT already!

    Here's Jim Marrs, who nailed the entire thing years ago:


    Here's the thread for that:
    And what's significant about the newest documents released is that much of that is now officially, formally, on-record, undeniably confirmed.


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    The Manafort indictment is a distraction as the legal pundits were saying earlier
    obviously trying to get all the mainstream media to post this Monday in an attempt
    to counter the Hillary Uranium deal and any JFK stories coming out as Trump
    ignored the FBI/CIA objections....

    THE VEIL HAS LIFTED! DECLASSIFIED FILES SHOW GOVERNMENT KILLED JFK, PROTECTED HITLER



    Published on 29 Oct 2017
    Alex Jones reveals shocking govt documents that comfirm that JFK was killed from
    the front and that there were more than one shooter as Alex Jones predicted long ago!

    Info Wars live...
    https://www.infowars.com/watch-alex-jones-show/
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    what can I say to my friend who questions the credibility of 'Potito' ?
    we have subcontracted the business of healing people to Companies who profit from sickness.

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    Quote what can I say to my friend who questions the credibility of 'Potito' ?
    If Alex and his team and Zero Hedge are going with it......


    JFK Files: The FBI document that could destroy the lone gunman story



    Published on 27 Oct 2017

    The first batch of JFK files have been released, as promised by Trump. Among them
    is an FBI document dated January 31, 1964. The document demonstrates a
    supposed National States Rights Party member by the name of Oren Fenton Potito
    giving a speech to a group of individuals. In the speech he tells a very different
    story of the JFK assassins and the account of what happened that day. Perhaps a
    much more believable account than the official narrative we’ve been told.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    JFK Files Live Analysis more than one shooter

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc1CqsdTqyU
    Streamed live on 27 Oct 2017
    http://fulcrumnews.com
    JFK Files:
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    Here's the problem with the recently "enhanced" & stabilised versions of the Zapruder footage (which doesn't take into account the frames which have been "allegedly" clipped out from the original, eg the point where the limo comes to a complete stop). Nor is there irrefutable proof that the enhanced version(s) were created with the actual original.

    Quote When it's bouncing around and playing back at a jittery 18 frames per second, the infamous Zapruder footage of John F. Kennedy's assassination feels almost unreal. But when it's stabilised with additional interpolated frames bringing it to a steady 30 frames per second (like we're used to seeing on TV) it suddenly becomes much more real.

    With computer-generated in-between frames, you'll want to take this particular footage with a grain of salt...
    https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/11/s...ttlingly-real/

    Here is the enhanced video from YouTube which includes a slo-mo version:



    Those familiar with Photoshop, know the term, "interpolation" . As it applies to photography or images:

    Resampling means you're changing the pixel dimensions of an image. When you downsample, you're eliminating pixels and therefore deleting information and detail from your image. When you upsample, you're adding pixels. Photoshop adds these pixels by using interpolation. This also allows for the very real possibility of further "boogering" (ie details added, removed or altered). Just one second of normal film is 24-30 frames depending on the format, or 18 frames in the original. You can do a LOT with 18 frames.

    SIDENOTE:
    BTW, The "driver theory" didn't originate with Bill Cooper; Cooper went live with Lear in 1989 on KLAS TV with the same assertion and a few of his own (& video to follow of debatable quality) & published Behold A Pale Horse in 1991, repeating the claim. The Driver Theory surfaced earlier.
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    https://videopress.com/v/Z3Tr2DSc relevent

    ties in hollywoods role in the "whole ball of wax"

    “Red Stars Over Hollywood” – Myron Fagan draws on his career in Hollywood to expose the Stars who promoted “communism” and the reasons why. "

    more : https://chemtrailsplanet.net/2017/06...us-government/
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    This is great but I will be surprised if the mainstream run with this and if
    they do they will spin it that Oswald still did it on his own , or ignore it and
    say the docs were rejected for some reason ? ...Hopefully I am wrong but
    better to start off with low expectations and be surprised....

    This is where social media is important if not blocked by trolls and the pressure
    on Twitter etc... & by the deep state fake Trump Russia enquiry.

    It will be more like this Washington post piece.....

    Three key documents from the newly released JFK assassination records
    Washington Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OaWJIec-BU
    Published on 29 Oct 2017
    The Post's Ian Shapira explains why three documents from the trove released by
    the National Archives related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy are
    of particular interest. Subscribe to The Washington Post on YouTube:
    http://bit.ly/2qiJ4dy



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    Trump Destroys Magic Bullet Theory With Release Of JFK Files



    Published on 29 Oct 2017

    Alex Jones reveals one of the most shocking things a president has done in
    recent memory. Releasing the JFK documents that the CIA withheld has now
    exposed the Deep State for good, but has now forced them to play dirty
    against trump in the coming weeks to try and get him impeached, quit or be killed!
    https://www.infowars.com/breaking-liv...
    https://www.infowars.com/trump-calls-...
    https://www.infowars.com/schiff-dems-...

    ================================================== ==


    Trump Releases Withheld Files Showing Deep State Killed JFK! 10/29/17 Full Show
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9P2Bxgt7mw

    Published on 29 Oct 2017
    Sunday, October 29th: Mueller Vs. Manafort - The phony Russia investigation into
    Trump led by Mueller is coming to a head with reports that indictments are coming
    Monday. Also, President Trump has released the remaining JFK files the Deep State
    attempted to suppress. Roger Stone has also been banned from Twitter in a blatant
    attempt to silence him. We'll break down what this means for online First
    Amendment rights. We'll also take your calls on this worldwide transmission.
    https://www.infowars.com/breaking-liv...
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    THE MOST SHOCKING NEW JFK DOCUMENTS 10/29/2017



    Published on 29 Oct 2017
    The new files are out and even with documents being withheld and redactions
    being made there is still tons of EVIDENCE of a CONSPIRACY against JFK.

    ================================================== ==
    ================================================== ==


    RT NEWS....

    JFK files: Names of living people need to be removed before release – Trump

    Published time: 29 Oct, 2017 12:59
    Edited time: 30 Oct, 2017 07:46

    US President Donald Trump says he is prepared to release all additional John F.
    Kennedy assassination files, but clarified that documentation of the names and
    addresses of people still living will not be made public. Thousands of previously
    unseen documents regarding the death of President Kennedy – who was shot dead
    while visiting Dallas, Texas in 1963 – were released last week.

    read more.....https://www.rt.com/usa/408139-wikile...ampaign=chrome

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    Interesting clip from a longer doc I could not find it cuts off just as it was going
    to show the final analyst from Poland .....

    Five shots from three rifles/shooters

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKIeMZSJCEA
    Published on 24 Nov 2007
    5 bullets hit JFK & sign
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    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    I honestly do not think we will ever know
    OK, I'm getting ready to eat my words (& possibly Bill's hat ) - but will we find out WHO?

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    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    [...]
    ... - but will we find out WHO?
    This might give a good idea as to who was involved:

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    Default Re: JFK DOCUMENTS RELEASED: the public has the truth at last

    Really fascinating stuff. Thanks all for the updates.

    It's of huge importance to note the bullet hole in the windscreen (shield) evidence. It's something I had honestly forgotten about. It's one of the things that's been largely lost in the clutter through the years. It should be brought to mind once again, because there's lots of testimony for it - and it is explicit: the shot came from the front into the car. That fact alone destroys the lone gunman theory.

    Plenty more at the zerohedge report previously posted.

    And photos:









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    Flashback: Former FBI Agent Reveals Who Really Shot JFK



    Published on 30 Oct 2017
    Alex Jones interview from 8/26/10 of Don Adams, the former FBI agent
    who presented compelling evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald did not
    assassinate president John F. Kennedy. Don is no longer with us, but
    his hard work and evidence will live on forever as long as we keep
    asking questions and demanding answers.

    ===========================================
    ===========================================

    Exclusive: E. Howard Hunt Confesses to CIA Plot Against JFK

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvLTAJa5zAU

    Published on 23 Oct 2008
    https://youtu.be/BLfl0Mxcbp8 PART 2
    In this segment from Alex Jones' widely anticipated upcoming documentary on the
    assassination of President John F. Kennedy, we present never before seen footage
    of the now deceased former CIA operative E. Howard Hunt, a participant in the
    conspiracy to kill JFK, explain how the plot was hatched and who controlled it.

    Former Watergate conspirator Hunt reveals how Lyndon Baines Johnson had a
    maniacal urge to become president and saw JFK as an obstacle that had to be
    eliminated before he could achieve that goal.
    http://prisonplanet.tv/
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    The likeness in this and other photos I've seen are not conclusive but makes the point...
    Back on the Bush question, here's a much clearer image to compare:


    I don't think it's him. But that doesn't rule out Bush having some part to play. In 1963, Bush (officially) was president of the Zapata Offshore (oil) Company. At this time he had no, again official, ties to any intelligence service, and his political career didn't begin until 1964. It wasn't until 1976 when Bush headed the CIA that he officially became a CIA man.

    We know that is false. There are three pieces of contradictory evidence to the official bio of him. Firstly this image, taken at the funeral of Philip Graham, the man who allegedly exposed Operation Mockingbird - a covert operation to undermine and manipulate the media during the 50s and 60s, principally overseen by Cord Meyer.

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    It was taken in August '63, just 3 months before the assassination. Far left, JFK himself. Upper right, an individual very much resembling George Bush. He was 39 at the time.

    I believe this is Bush. To be attending the high profile funeral of a man linked with CIA activities, and what's more, mixing in such circles as to be leaving the funeral at the same time as President Kennedy himself -- I think it unusual for a plain oil exec. If it is him, it's strong evidence he was deep in the CIA by '63.

    Secondly, this document from the assassination files, written by Hoover in November 1963, regarding the reaction of the assassination from Cuba and Latin America.

    Quote The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished by Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency...


    A third slice of evidence (if any is required), it's on public record that Bush knew none other than possibly one of the most mysterious of all assassination players, George de Mohrenschildt - also an oil man, but from the Soviet Union originally, who had strong ties to Oswald. De Mohrenschildt was also the same who surfaced in the late 70s, many years after the dust settled, only to stir it up again by producing yet another one of the infamous 'backyard photos' of Oswald and his Mannlicher-Carcano.

    Following quote taken from this page where there is more:
    Quote "I do know this man De Mohrenschildt," Bush wrote in an internal CIA note. "I first met him in the early 40's. He was an uncle to my Andover roommate. Later he surfaced in Dallas (50's maybe)"
    As a curious side note, De Mohrenschildt also apparently knew Jackie Kennedy's father, John Bouvier, dating back to when Jackie was a girl.
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    This video is very long, very comprehensive, very worth it...

    From JFK to 9/11: A Rich Man's Trick


    Ties all the pieces and people together.

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    Quote Posted by Michelle Marie (here)
    This video is very long, very comprehensive, very worth it...

    From JFK to 9/11: A Rich Man's Trick
    Yes - well worth it.

    For those further interested, there is a thread from two or three years ago entirely devoted to discussing this video: JFK to 911: 'Everything Is a Rich Man's Trick' by Francis Richard Conolly

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    Default Re: JFK DOCUMENTS RELEASED: the public has the truth at last

    What I am concerned about is the remaining files that Trump gave the CIA 180 more days to hide from people.

    Yes, he should be praised for allowing what has already been released, but not forcing all of them out now was a mistake.

    "Oh, but then if they space them out it wont get lost in the flood" You will say.

    And that is why we abolished the NSA after snowden and his similiar style of letting the guardian slow leak those documents so Glenn Greenwald could create his own outfit with Paul Omlyier. Intercept wouldnt exist without those leaks. And having a monopoly on the documents instead of letting the whole world see the whole truth, we have the status quo not only upheld but now accepted as what is.

    If you said the NSA was listening to everything and recording everything they wanted, you were crazy. Now after Snowden, they say "Of course they do, we know but terrorism so I guess it is ok". It is maddening to watch things like this be normalized.

    You can not give ANY reason for withholding the documents till this long and then giving an extension. I would argue that you can not make a decent argument for keeping them classified this long or at all in the first place but that is a longer deal so I will leave it. Trump letting them have those 180 should anger all of you. Of course it will affect living people, IT SHOULD. That is like saying we cant release the documents cause Jimmy Saville is still alive and it might affect him. IT SHOULD AFFECT HIM! Just like whatever they are still hiding for 180 should affect whomever for their role in what happened, whatever side they fall on.

    Im very happy we got what we got, but we are far too quick to be happy with under-performance by our so called heroes.

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    Trump letting them have those 180 should anger all of you.
    But you're assuming that the President (any President!) has total power over the actions of the CIA. It's not like he's got these documents sitting there on his desk in the Oval Office.

    The conversation may just possibly have gone a little like this:

    Trump: Dammit, I'm ordering you to release everything. I've already given the public my word.
    CIA official: Sir, we cannot do that. It's a a matter of National Security.
    Trump: Are you saying that National Security is more important than my word?
    CIA Official: Yes, Sir. We are mandated to make those decisions.
    Trump: Well, I'm ordering you to release them anyway.
    CIA Official: With respect, Sir, this is not your final decision to make.

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    Default Re: JFK DOCUMENTS RELEASED: the public has the truth at last

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    Trump letting them have those 180 should anger all of you.
    But you're assuming that the President (any President!) has total power over the actions of the CIA. It's not like he's got these documents sitting there on his desk in the Oval Office.

    The conversation may just possibly have gone a little like this:

    Trump: Dammit, I'm ordering you to release everything. I've already given the public my word.
    CIA official: Sir, we cannot do that. It's a a matter of National Security.
    Trump: Are you saying that National Security is more important than my word?
    CIA Official: Yes, Sir. We are mandated to make those decisions.
    Trump: Well, I'm ordering you to release them anyway.
    CIA Official: With respect, Sir, this is not your final decision to make.
    Rolf... or crying....

    I am pretty sure you are pretty near the real happenings, funny or sad in any way one looks at it

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