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    The following article in 'The Economist' is typical of the western sponsored big pharma agenda, dressed up as rational science.

    At the moment in China, large western pharma companies are gaining ground. I spoke to a senior member of the sackler 'abomination' who expressed sadness that Oxycontin pushing was being stopped in America, but it was reassuring that this product was succeeding in a big way in China.

    Of course, I was thinking 'a westerner pushing opiates on the Chinese - where have I heard that before??'

    The corrupt crony nature of Chinese capitalism ensures that these rich western companies will be able to continue penetrating the huge Chinese market using bribery, and crony propaganda organs like the Economist will do their bit to assist the colonisation.

    I wrote a letter to the economist - below.

    I believe there is probably alot of merit in much of TCM, in other words these herbs etc have beneficial pharmacological effects. For example it is well established that certain fungi greatly enhance the human immune system.

    What would be great would be if the Chinese put the resources into a research and proving method that is compatible with western drug regulation. This would defend TCM's market share in China, and assist the industry in the West which is currently growing but faces regulatory attacks and the malign 'codex alimentarius' regime that will eventually lock us in to an increasingly deadly western toxic drug paradigm.

    Quote STATE SPONSORED QUACKERY

    The Economist, 2/9/17


    Once eyed with suspicion for not being scientific enough, traditional Chinese medicine might just be about to take over the world." So opined China's state-run news agency, Xinhua, in an article last year. It was, of course, indulging in playful hyperbole-even the Chinese Communist Party has no plans to supplant modern medical science with ancient and unproven forms of treatment. But the party is serious in its efforts to promote the use of such remedies (commonly known as TCM) globally, and to reinforce China's own extensive network Of TCM hospitals and clinics.

    In recent years, TCM has been enjoying rapid growth in China. The number of Chinese hospitals offering it rose from about 2,500 in 2003 to about 4,000 by the end of 2015. In the past six years, the number of licensed practitioners in China has increased by nearly 50%, to more than 450,000. Using its network of "Confucius Institutes", the Chinese government has been subsidising the teaching of TCM in America, Britain and other countries . "Is the world entering a TCM era?" asks China Daily, another propaganda outfit, on its website. The government would be delighted if the answer were yes. Humankind, and the natural world that supplies TCM with its ingredients, would have less cause to rejoice.

    Eating bitterness

    TCM has not always enjoyed the status it has in China today.
    After the collapse of the country's last imperial dynasty in 1911, China's new leaders spurned it as superstition. TCM, after all, is about more than just acupuncture and concoctions of herbs and animal parts. There is often an element of mysticism, too-a belief in a force called qi that can affect the body's health. But Mao was an avowed fan of TCM. He knew it was popular among the peasants who had provided crucial support for his guerrilla movement. And if that's what they want ed, it had the advantage of being cheap. (In private, Mao confided to one of his doctors: "Even though I believe we should promote Chinese medicine, I personally do not believe in it.")
    China's leader today, Xi Jinping, is even more of a champion of TCM. Last year his government issued a "white paper", setting out plans to promote it and noting its "positive impact on the progress of human civilisation". The document said the TCM industry was becoming a "new source of growth" for China's economy. In July a law came into effect that requires local governments to open TCM departments in all general hospitals, and to give "equal emphasis" to TCM and what China calls "Western medicine". Mr Xi's efforts may bring some benefits. To the extent that TCM promotes a healthy diet and way of life, it is to be lauded. TCM practitioners who also have skills in conventional medicine may be able to fill gaps in China's woefully inadequate primary health-care system. But there are dangers, too. Devoting more resources to TCM could mean less money for health care that is based on science. Here TCM falls down. Most of its treatments are at best a placebo and at worst a harmful distraction from the task of curing people, or downright dangerous. In 2015 a Chinese pharmacologist, Tu Youyou, became the first scientist to win a Nobel prize for work carried out in China.
    She had isolated a chemical in TCM that could treat malaria.

    The Chinese government claimed this as evidence that TCM as a whole was effective. In fact, as the Nobel committee emphasised TCM provided only the inspiration for the research that led to her award. When a traditional medicine is proved to work, there is always an underlying medical mechanism. Promoting TCM will only exacerbate the damage it is causing the environment and endangered species. On the Tibetan plateau, fortune-hunters destroy grassland searching for dead caterpillars; the fungus growing out of them is a TCM favourite (though not an officially approved one) that is worth much more than its weight in gold. There is no evidence of its libido- boosting properties. On the South African savannah, rhinos lie dead with their horns cut off; ground into a supposed arthritis- curing powder, the appendages fetch thousands of dollars per kilo in TCM'S black market in China. The list goes grimly on. Mr Xi's efforts are motivated in part by politics. He wants to be seen as an ardent patriot and champion of Chinese culture. Rather than subsidising quackery, he would do China more good by championing science.
    My letter:

    Quote Dear Sirs,
    I have just read your article on TCM ‘State Sponsored Quackery’.
    While you raise some valid points regarding the environment and endangered species I believe the article is not addressing the key point about TCM, that obviously the Chinese are well aware of.
    That is, that most of TCM is based on millennia-old HERBAL usages that are, probably in most cases effective to varying degrees. This represents a resource for the world in terms of potential new drugs and therapies. It would have been more productive if your article had encouraged the scientific evaluation of these herbs, rather than attempting to discredit a whole paradigm of traditional medicine
    THE ECONOMIST CANNOT ADMIT THAT THERE MAY BE BIG BENEFITS FOR HUMANITY HERE

    This is because these herbs cannot be patented by big pharma. No profits for them. Often when research IS done and the 'active ingredient' is isolated with a view to patenting and production, it is found to be ineffective or less effective than the WHOLE HERB.
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    It would be nice to see TCM turn it's back on the use of rare & endangered species though.....

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    Quote Posted by Spiral (here)
    It would be nice to see TCM turn it's back on the use of rare & endangered species though.....
    yes, for sure..modernisation needed, but not replacement
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    Quote Posted by Spiral (here)
    It would be nice to see TCM turn it's back on the use of rare & endangered species though.....
    I think the overwhelming TCM comes from herbs. The use of animal parts in some peculiar diseases is not the reason for the disappearing species. The concept of endangered species is very recent. It comes human greed and disrespect for nature. Nothing else. Pangolin, for example, used for TCM since ancient time was never an endangered species and remained plentiful until last the few decades.

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    the world is filled with traditional medicine practises that have merit. It is as diverse as the millions of species of plants etc that are used.

    Species are being lost all the time.

    Every time an indigenous rain forest tribe is destroyed, unique medical knowledge dies with it.

    The great paradigms of TCM, Ayurveda, and many more are under unprecedented attack by profit driven interests. Western medical systems reject any technique not involving patented (profit creating) methods. There desperately needs to be a counter balance to this process. Saving seeds is a start. I want to see resources put into researching each and every traditional and alternative practise, so that medical systems that are evidence based will be able to incorporate more of them.

    Who will put up the money?

    The TCM industry in China has a business case for collectively funding research, in order to defend it's own market share.

    Another area that is almost completely ignored is the magic that happens when a communist health system exists that is solely motivated to provide the best possible remedies for the lowest possible cost, irrespective of false divides between science and 'quackery'

    We should be documenting all the techniques that evolved in Russia, Cuba, etc, for example phage therapy. These techniques are also being lost, to the detriment of human well being.
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    I have seen Jamaican 'roots tonic' production techniques.It involves fermentation, and an on-going 'plant' - like sour dough. But what is biologically going on there may be a mystery
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    He Xin, the great Chinese scholar for centuries, who has retired from writing political essays, and who dedicated to the study of Masonry in his last years of research (motivated by the reading of “Anglo Saxon mission”), had this to say on the topic:

    He Xin: conspiracy to carry out: Masonic condemnation of Chinese practitioners frantically in progress

    Author: He Xin Published: 2014-01-22 20:16:09 Source: Author blog Font: Large | Medium | Small

    In recent years the reform to westernizing Traditional Chinese Medicine has made the dying traditional practice surviving by a thread. Recently, the mysterious hidden hand has made another frantic charge to wipe out TCM. On January 19 an Anti-TCM Conference was held openly in Shanghai in the name of science.

    We call on the relevant department to investigate whether there is an international hidden hand behind China's organized anti-TCM movement - including the shadows of various external mysterious foundations, pharmaceutical companies and bankers.

    The pharmaceutical industry is America's largest money production machine, ranking No.1 in the federal government's budget, even far more than the second placed defense spending and the third national debt interest.
    Such a huge economic interest is clearly the factor that must be considered in all medical debates.

    US pharmaceutical tycoons (they are also the controllers of finance) has long fancied China's 1.3 billion people's pharmaceutical market.

    Do not forget that the Rothschilds, Rockefellers have long controlled Western medicine, medical equipment production, patents and world markets. Their goal is of course hereditary possession and monopoly. Not only that, they can control human life and the global population through the control of medicine. Traditional Chinese medicine, Chinese herbal medicine have always been a huge obstacle in the process of their total monopoly of China's pharmaceutical market. If there is no international consortium – with Masonic background, all the remarks about Chinese medicine can be seen as academic discussions. However, if any opposition organization receives any fund from international funds, pharmaceutical cartels or bankers, the problem is not so simple. They should be labelled as Chinese proxies of Freemasonry in China.

    This is not a conspiracy theory - but the progression of the conspiracy to destroy China and the Chinese culture!
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