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    It's totally within reason to expect the US to act on a future missile launch from North Korea. Therefore the US cannot allow North Korea to get the ball back in their court and play defense to N.K. Is there any way to determine Kim's response if the US shoots one down? Is it safe for the US to stop on one action or maybe they need to plan a larger response?

    Will the response be what Sec. Mattis states in his last briefing describing overwhelming action?
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    First, anyone who goes to another mans place for war is the aggressor. Its entirely obvious, isn't it?
    Second, The puppet government and its military is not going to back down because that is exactly what their masters want, an all out war. Because an all out war will destroy almost all humans (if not all) and their military capabilities except for the elite and few of their bio robots who can go to their lust underground bankers or maybe fly to the moon. As you can see they are losing control and reset is an option.

    Now is the time to wake up that people on different island and of different color is not the enemy. Just like you and me they are also trying to protect themselves and their family from the aggressors. And wake up to the staggering hypocrisy of people who go to other mans place for war and declare that they are only trying to protect themselves. Well if we look at history they can say this because the other man has a score to settle when they went there sometime ago and murder his family. See that is why I am very careful not to make an enemy of a peaceful man. because by then I will not be in peace. karma instantly strikes the moment of wrongdoing. Its not something that goes back to the doer.

    Kim will not back down also knowing that he will be oust from power. The only solution is for Putin and Xi to personally assure Kim that they will protect him. They have won the war for Assad so perhaps it wont be difficult to convince Kim.
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    I think the option Mojo is referring to is not a first strike, it is shooting down a missile once it is launched. I think that if they could have shot down the missile that just flew over Hokkaido they would have. So i dont think the USA has the ability to shoot one down. So, next question...

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    It's totally within reason to expect the US to act on a future missile launch from North Korea. Therefore the US cannot allow North Korea to get the ball back in their court and play defense to N.K. Is there any way to determine Kim's response if the US shoots one down? Is it safe for the US to stop on one action or maybe they need to plan a larger response?

    Will the response be what Sec. Mattis states in his last briefing describing overwhelming action?
    North Korean political leaders are not so stupid to launch an aggressive nuclear attack over an other nation,whatever that nation could be.Yes they try to develop modern/unconventional (which suddenly became very conventional) weapons for both reasons attack and defense,but they will never lunch a hostile nuclear attack.

    The rest is only propaganda/public relations...
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    Default Re: The downing of a MISSILE & what happens after?

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    It's totally within reason to expect the US to act on a future missile launch from North Korea. Therefore the US cannot allow North Korea to get the ball back in their court and play defense to N.K. Is there any way to determine Kim's response if the US shoots one down? Is it safe for the US to stop on one action or maybe they need to plan a larger response?

    Will the response be what Sec. Mattis states in his last briefing describing overwhelming action?
    North Korean political leaders are not so stupid to launch an aggressive nuclear attack over an other nation,whatever that nation could be.Yes they try to develop modern/unconventional (which suddenly became very conventional) weapons for both reasons attack and defense,but they will never lunch a hostile nuclear attack.

    The rest is only propaganda/public relations...
    Who knows. We have no way of verifying any of these so called news stories. Were a North Korea missile to be shot down someplace in the south China sea by a US war-ship who would know? Maybe it was shot down, maybe it never existed in the first place, who would know? Cui bono? As you say, propaganda and public relations, everything else is very suspect imo...x.... N

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    Default Re: The downing of a MISSILE & what happens after?

    Quote Posted by Nasu (here)
    Quote Posted by EFO (here)
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    It's totally within reason to expect the US to act on a future missile launch from North Korea. Therefore the US cannot allow North Korea to get the ball back in their court and play defense to N.K. Is there any way to determine Kim's response if the US shoots one down? Is it safe for the US to stop on one action or maybe they need to plan a larger response?

    Will the response be what Sec. Mattis states in his last briefing describing overwhelming action?
    North Korean political leaders are not so stupid to launch an aggressive nuclear attack over an other nation,whatever that nation could be.Yes they try to develop modern/unconventional (which suddenly became very conventional) weapons for both reasons attack and defense,but they will never lunch a hostile nuclear attack.

    The rest is only propaganda/public relations...
    Who knows. We have no way of verifying any of these so called news stories. Were a North Korea missile to be shot down someplace in the south China sea by a US war-ship who would know? Maybe it was shot down, maybe it never existed in the first place, who would know? Cui bono? As you say, propaganda and public relations, everything else is very suspect imo...x.... N
    What can I say?Every secret service in the world made white from black and black from white.What is "suspect" could easily became "unfortunate accident" or "precious asset".Every normal human is afraid of war/conflict and its consequences,but nobody think in military terms based on alliances (which is imperative in these days) and are lead by MSM mostly and military and /or political analysts which are overwhelmed by events because they don't want or not allowed to see the entire picture of events only drops of them.

    It's hard to start a large scale war as we now it from WW II,because each member of any alliance have its on interests and is not reliable enough for such endeavor.Instead small regional/local conflicts are maintained for grabbing some financial or any kind of profit.Nobody cares what happen after a country is stormed by war/conflict,induced by any reason,excepting humanitarian organizations (and some of them are sometime questionable regarding who's behind them).

    When was the last time when somebody saw any general from any army accompanied by his staff going not in the conflict area among the soldiers from the first line,but helping at least civilians by give them shelter,food and medicine after the danger has passed?

    Perhaps I was wrong when I said before that is propaganda/public relations.It's quacking only (they are quacking to each other over the fence - whatever they are -).

    Cui bono?To everyone except civilians.

    So,no big war for the moment.
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    Default Re: The downing of a MISSILE & what happens after?

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    It's totally within reason to expect the US to act on a future missile launch from North Korea. Therefore the US cannot allow North Korea to get the ball back in their court and play defense to N.K. Is there any way to determine Kim's response if the US shoots one down? Is it safe for the US to stop on one action or maybe they need to plan a larger response?

    Will the response be what Sec. Mattis states in his last briefing describing overwhelming action?
    North Korean political leaders are not so stupid to launch an aggressive nuclear attack over an other nation,whatever that nation could be.Yes they try to develop modern/unconventional (which suddenly became very conventional) weapons for both reasons attack and defense,but they will never lunch a hostile nuclear attack.

    The rest is only propaganda/public relations...
    Who knows. We have no way of verifying any of these so called news stories. Were a North Korea missile to be shot down someplace in the south China sea by a US war-ship who would know? Maybe it was shot down, maybe it never existed in the first place, who would know? Cui bono? As you say, propaganda and public relations, everything else is very suspect imo...x.... N
    for your argument to be true it means Putin; Xi and everyone else who is in the know would be a conspirator of propagandist. That does not seem to be the case.

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    First, anyone who goes to another mans place for war is the aggressor. Its entirely obvious, isn't it?
    ....
    Reminds me of a Mark Twain quote:
    Quote The statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.

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    Default Re: The downing of a MISSILE & what happens after?

    There's no doubt various dangerous factions in the west that are looking to justify a pre-emptive strike on N Korea by convincing everyone that they are capable and likely to launch a nuclear attack on the US and UK. I don't think N Korea are capable yet but the argument will be to strike before they get there, and, no war (if we are at war) as ever been won from taking a defensive stance.

    The Eliter rulers are very smart so whilst we are distracted with N Korea what else are they up to?

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    As I said nobody is prepared for a mass scale war.At least up to 2024.

    In the future, a fleet of heavy transport aircraft will reportedly be capable of moving a strategic unit of 400 Armata tanks, with ammunition, to anywhere in the world. And probably at hypersonic speed, enabling Russia to mount a global military response.

    According to a new design specification from the Military-Industrial Commission in Moscow, a transport aircraft, dubbed PAK TA, will fly at supersonic speeds (up to 2,000 km/h) and will boast an impressively high payload of up to 200 tons. It will also have a range of at least 7,000 kilometers.

    The PAK TA program envisages 80 new cargo aircraft to be built by 2024. This means in a decade Russia’s Central Command will be able to place a battle-ready armored army anywhere, Expert Online reports, citing a source in the military who attended the closed meeting.
    One of the main tasks of the new PAK TA is to transport Armata heavy missile tanks and other military hardware on the same platform, such as enhanced self-propelled artillery weapons systems, anti-aircraft missile complexes, tactical missile carriers, multiple launch missile systems, and anti-tank missile fighting vehicles.

    The PAK TA freighters will be multilevel, with automated cargo loading and have the capability to airdrop hardware and personnel on any terrain.

    fleet of several dozen PAK TA air freighters will be able to lift 400 Armata heavy tanks, or 900 light armored vehicles, such as Sprut-SD airborne amphibious self-propelled tank destroyers.

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    I think the option Mojo is referring to is not a first strike, it is shooting down a missile once it is launched. I think that if they could have shot down the missile that just flew over Hokkaido they would have. So i dont think the USA has the ability to shoot one down. So, next question...
    It was completely in the US's best interests to have that missile fly over Japan, this why they sounded the alarms in Japan to hi-light the event & create as much fear & upset as possible.

    They want NK to be a big & nasty a threat as possible (in the publics mind at least), shooting the missile down would be counter to that objective.

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    They want NK to be a big & nasty a threat as possible (in the publics mind at least), shooting the missile down would be counter to that objective.
    Big truth you said.

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    As I said nobody is prepared for a mass scale war.At least up to 2024.

    In the future, a fleet of heavy transport aircraft will reportedly be capable of moving a strategic unit of 400 Armata tanks, with ammunition, to anywhere in the world. And probably at hypersonic speed, enabling Russia to mount a global military response.

    According to a new design specification from the Military-Industrial Commission in Moscow, a transport aircraft, dubbed PAK TA, will fly at supersonic speeds (up to 2,000 km/h) and will boast an impressively high payload of up to 200 tons. It will also have a range of at least 7,000 kilometers.

    The PAK TA program envisages 80 new cargo aircraft to be built by 2024. This means in a decade Russia’s Central Command will be able to place a battle-ready armored army anywhere, Expert Online reports, citing a source in the military who attended the closed meeting.
    One of the main tasks of the new PAK TA is to transport Armata heavy missile tanks and other military hardware on the same platform, such as enhanced self-propelled artillery weapons systems, anti-aircraft missile complexes, tactical missile carriers, multiple launch missile systems, and anti-tank missile fighting vehicles.

    The PAK TA freighters will be multilevel, with automated cargo loading and have the capability to airdrop hardware and personnel on any terrain.

    fleet of several dozen PAK TA air freighters will be able to lift 400 Armata heavy tanks, or 900 light armored vehicles, such as Sprut-SD airborne amphibious self-propelled tank destroyers.

    EFO, here's the countermeasure to the mobile Russian tank squad:


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    Default Re: The downing of a MISSILE & what happens after?

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    I think the option Mojo is referring to is not a first strike, it is shooting down a missile once it is launched. I think that if they could have shot down the missile that just flew over Hokkaido they would have. So i dont think the USA has the ability to shoot one down. So, next question...
    It was completely in the US's best interests to have that missile fly over Japan, this why they sounded the alarms in Japan to hi-light the event & create as much fear & upset as possible.

    They want NK to be a big & nasty a threat as possible (in the publics mind at least), shooting the missile down would be counter to that objective.
    You may be correct, Spiral, however the said strategy doesnt play to Trump's bluster, so if the USA could have shot it down i kinda think they would've to back up Trump's tough talk. Such a demonstration would also have been a boon to american arms manufacturers who had demonstrated their superior armaments, ready for purchase. For that reason, i am not buying your position.

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    Default Re: The downing of a MISSILE & what happens after?

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    As I said nobody is prepared for a mass scale war.At least up to 2024.

    In the future, a fleet of heavy transport aircraft will reportedly be capable of moving a strategic unit of 400 Armata tanks, with ammunition, to anywhere in the world. And probably at hypersonic speed, enabling Russia to mount a global military response.

    According to a new design specification from the Military-Industrial Commission in Moscow, a transport aircraft, dubbed PAK TA, will fly at supersonic speeds (up to 2,000 km/h) and will boast an impressively high payload of up to 200 tons. It will also have a range of at least 7,000 kilometers.

    The PAK TA program envisages 80 new cargo aircraft to be built by 2024. This means in a decade Russia’s Central Command will be able to place a battle-ready armored army anywhere, Expert Online reports, citing a source in the military who attended the closed meeting.
    One of the main tasks of the new PAK TA is to transport Armata heavy missile tanks and other military hardware on the same platform, such as enhanced self-propelled artillery weapons systems, anti-aircraft missile complexes, tactical missile carriers, multiple launch missile systems, and anti-tank missile fighting vehicles.

    The PAK TA freighters will be multilevel, with automated cargo loading and have the capability to airdrop hardware and personnel on any terrain.

    fleet of several dozen PAK TA air freighters will be able to lift 400 Armata heavy tanks, or 900 light armored vehicles, such as Sprut-SD airborne amphibious self-propelled tank destroyers.

    EFO, here's the countermeasure to the mobile Russian tank squad:

    I didn't posted that Russian airplane to show Russian's defensive/offensive capability,but to show my strengthen conviction that no possible involved parts in a global war are prepared at least up to 2024.That was the reason.

    I know what a war means:my grandfather fought in the WW II up to the Don's elbow and back and he told me some war stories,including when he was taken prisoner by Russians for a short time until he escaped,suffering gas attacks from Russians and helping German soldiers escaping from Stalingrad encirclement,among other stories.During communist regime,my father,thanks to its position,helped people flee in what was on that times Federal Republic of Germany,until he was caught doing that and removed from that position suffering repercussions for his actions.On the other side,during my military service I helped many soldiers to escape,temporarily or definitively,from military service based on different medical affections and during so called Romanian revolution from 1989,some bullets intersected my escape route from Victory Plaza in Timisoara when I could be wounded or even worst killed and I saw the destructions after that and the holes in the buildings left by bullets all over the city.When I come back to my military unit I was arrested for four days together with other two soldiers by the unit commander,for the simple reason of that me being native from Timisoara and they being German natives and incarcerated in a dark and cold cell with no lights and no windows,only with a metallic bed and no blankets in December.We didn't have a bucket for phyziological needs,and thanks god we receive only one meal/day and no water.

    I lived in two political regimes:21 years in communism and 26 years in capitalism and I wouldn't recommend any of that to live in.

    So I have enough experience when I talk about conflicts and I don't like them at all.That's all I have to say.
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    Default Re: The downing of a MISSILE & what happens after?

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    I think the option Mojo is referring to is not a first strike, it is shooting down a missile once it is launched. I think that if they could have shot down the missile that just flew over Hokkaido they would have. So i dont think the USA has the ability to shoot one down. So, next question...
    It was completely in the US's best interests to have that missile fly over Japan, this why they sounded the alarms in Japan to hi-light the event & create as much fear & upset as possible.

    They want NK to be a big & nasty a threat as possible (in the publics mind at least), shooting the missile down would be counter to that objective.
    You may be correct, Spiral, however the said strategy doesnt play to Trump's bluster, so if the USA could have shot it down i kinda think they would've to back up Trump's tough talk. Such a demonstration would also have been a boon to american arms manufacturers who had demonstrated their superior armaments, ready for purchase. For that reason, i am not buying your position.
    Trump will do what he is told, he is a very handy cover & has fooled everyone into thinking they have a "clean slate" now that the spirit cooking posse are out, but the real power lies with the military industrial complex.

    Their economic model of weapons & petro dollars can't function without it's side effect of wars & mayhem, but if the NK sabre rattling sells enough US weapons they may be content, & it might all simmer down again.

    Whats happened in Iraq & Lybia has made it clear to anyone the USA decides is a "problem" that if you have WMD you don't give them up, you make more & show them off !

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