US B52H can deploy AGM-86 nuclear equipped cruise missiles

[Bob]

N. Korea boasts that it has a 100 kiloton nuclear device and will use these on the US (and potentially any US ally). N. Korea may have smaller enhanced nuclear devices (gamma ray rich nuclear explosive devices on satellites designed for an EMP attack).

The US currently has hundreds of AGM-86 nuclear equipped cruise missiles available for B52H stratofortress bombers and other bombers such as the stealthy B-2A.

The range of this missile can be about 1500 miles, and can contain a 150 kiloton nuclear weapon. The stratofortress can fly 12 of these devices for a maximum deployment of 1.8 megatons of nuclear strike force, PER attack.

Between the stealth B-2A and the B-52H, total obliteration of an enemy such as N. Korea is not just possible but a likelihood if such is deployed.

As the cruise missle can fly "under the radar", there is virtually no notice of the missile flying in and hitting the target. Meaning N. Korea's military infrastructure can be reduced to cinders within minutes virtually simultaneously. President trump and General Mattis have made it clear that although it is not desired at this time to reduce N. Korea to a cinder, that is within the options of choice.

The technology, capability, effectiveness is ready to be deployed by the President saying "Do It" now.

ref: http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...ean-peninsula/

The current B-52H model can carry a wide variety of conventional weapons, including up to fifty-one 500-pound unguided bombs, 10 laser-guided bombs, or eight Harpoon anti-ship missiles. In the nuclear bomber role, the B-52 can carry up to twelve AGM-86 air-launched cruise missiles, each with a variable yield of 5 to 150 kilotons.

N. Korea is not playing "chess", it is flaunting insanity. The US reserves the right to remove the threat from itself, and it's allies, and can do such at any time. Trump is noted for not announcing to the "enemy target" what the US's actions will be prior, such as what Obama was doing.

The last time N. Korea tested in 2016, the stratofortress was flown over S. Korea as a demonstration of launch capability.

The B-52 flyover was described by the U.S. military as in response to North Korea's nuclear test, and a demonstration of the "ironclad commitment" of Washington to its allies in South Korea and Japan. North Korea responded to the flyover by calling the United States "stupid" and promising it would "take on nuclear threats with a nuclear response."

Besides the existing cruise missile payload of both nuke and conventional cruise missiles, the US is developing additional stealth-grade cruise missiles.

ref: http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...ruise-missile/

The United States Air Force will buy 1,000 LRSOs, which will equip the B-52H Stratofortress, B-2A Spirit, and forthcoming B-21 Raider bombers.

Meaning the B-2A bomber can launch the cruise missiles besides the Stratofortress B-52-H.

This is what the multi-launch payload deployment system on the B-52H looks like from beneath, loaded with cruise missiles.

"The justification for nuclear cruise missiles is that in the event of a nuclear war, bombers can launch them toward distant targets without getting too close to enemy air defenses.

"A stealthy bomber armed with LRSOs could use them to punch its way through enemy defenses, nuking fixed anti-air missile, radar, and command-and-control sites in its path before striking the final, main target.

"Non-stealthy bombers such as the B-52H could stand off at a distance and kick in the door for stealthy bombers (but would be unable to accompany the B-2A and B-21 into hostile enemy territory)."

President Trump and General Mattis are quite accurate when they say N. Korea will be reduced to cinders when the choice to deploy is firmed up and the order issued. ref: https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Re...se-jim-mattis/

Below is a B-2A stealth.

It is logical that N. Korea back down, and stop it's madness.

[Foxie Loxie]

Bob, I keep wondering if you ever figured out what that triangular structure was deep in the ground out West?

[Bob]

Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
Bob, I keep wondering if you ever figured out what that triangular structure was deep in the ground out West?

(not yet Foxie, haven't been back out there, and at the moment, my software isn't able to get a higher resolution)

[Bubu]

Well, Bob there is no doubt, that the US military can annihilate N. korea. But anyone with a bit of sanity left will not think of killing an infant, let alone annihilate an entire group with its infants children women young and old alike. Doing so will only prove to the entire world who is it who got the sickest mind and who the real threat to world securities are.

Perhaps now is the right time to use their EM targeting device which can be deployed from anywhere in the world to take down Kim and save the babies.

[Foxie Loxie]

IF.... there is anybody left to wonder?!

[Spiral]

How is turning NK to ash going to be anything but a disaster for SK if nukes are used ?

What about all the underground artillery NK has in the mountains facing SK ready to destroy Seoul ?

How do they justify murdering millions ? Or has Hollywood done such a good job of entrenching the BS "good guys vs bad guys" meme in everyone's mind that such a consideration is moot ?

[Bubu]

Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
IF.... there is anybody left to wonder?!

Unfortunately there are still those who believes that the maniacs are responsible people... The power of brainwashing device.

[Cidersomerset]

It is logical that N. Korea back down, and stop it's madness.

I have posted current articles on the WW111 thread ........
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1177344
The question is Kim Yung mad, bad , evil or just playing the same brinkmanship
games of the last 60 odd years since technically this is the longest armistice in
known history. The current consensus seems that he has seen what happens to
others who have given up their weapons of mass destruction programmes Iraq ,
Libya , Syria ( chemical) and Iran next and has decided to flaunt to the world there
progress in missile and warheads whether it is genuine or not.

The other problem is N Korea has enough conventional artillery to flatten Seoul
before the US could neutralise it , without such a massive offensive that
would cause potentially millions of civilian casualties on both sides of the border.
There is more to this than meets the eye and China is the main diplomatic go
between usually concerning North Korea.

Putin: Military hysteria over N. Korea may lead to planetary catastrophe, heavy loss of life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmr_94sGZrU
Published on 5 Sep 2017
The examples of Iraq and Libya have convinced the North Korean leadership that
only nuclear deterrence can protect them, so no sanctions can dissuade them,
Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

Putin: "N.Korea would rather eat grass than abandon nuclear programme"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NWdW0OUW_U

North Korea nuclear crisis: Putin calls sanctions useless - BBC News

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QzmHIeT367U

Published on 5 Sep 2017
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said pursuing further sanctions against North
Korea is "useless", saying "they'd rather eat grass than give up their nuclear programme".
The US said on Monday it would table a new UN resolution on tougher sanctions in
the wake of the latest test of a nuclear bomb by the North on Sunday.
Mr Putin also said that the ramping up of "military hysteria" could lead to global
catastrophe.He said diplomacy was the only answer.

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Nikki Haley: Trump Has Grounds to Declare Iran in Violation of Nuclear Deal

http://freebeacon.com/national-secur...-nuclear-deal/

[justntime2learn]

Posted by Spiral (here)
How is turning NK to ash going to be anything but a disaster for SK if nukes are used ?

What about all the underground artillery NK has in the mountains facing SK ready to destroy Seoul ?

How do they justify murdering millions ? Or has Hollywood done such a good job of entrenching the BS "good guys vs bad guys" meme in everyone's mind that such a consideration is moot ?

Isn't SK the most densely populated city on the planet ?

Mass murder reminds me of Hitler and we know how that turned out.

Very sad a whole country has been demonized when the number of villains are so much less.

I suppose that's the "American way".

[Cidersomerset]

Isn't SK the most densely populated city on the planet ?

concentrated in the Seoul Capital Area with 25 million residents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea



With all the talk of China I just realised Russia has a direct border with North Korea.
I should have known as the Soviets invaded Korea in 1945 to defeat the Japanese.


As U.S. and China find common ground on North Korea, is Russia the wild card?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-no...-idUSKBN17Z0B7

Where Russia meets North Korea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWgvhKMn4a8
North Korea has been condemned by the international community for continuing its
development of nuclear weapons and for testing long-range ballistic missiles.

[Bubu]

And since Bob is posting this strike capability, does this mean that he supports the strike or encourage other to do so.
subliminal,. eh.

[Cidersomerset]

And since Bob is posting this strike capability, does this mean
that he supports the strike or encourage other to do so.subliminal,. eh.

No, my take is he is just pointing out US capability .....


One major issue which was pointed out during the US presidential race is Trumps
communication problems. He is great at rallies speaking to the faithfull and on
topics he is good at particularly domestic his 'black and white' attitude can pay
off though he has plenty of critics in the mainstream press and politicians.

His tweets don't play so well to a foreign audience particularly on sensitive military
issues. So one day saying President/Prime Minister whoever, is 'great' and the next
saying President/Prime Minister whoever, is 'bad' is not good for foreign relations.
Though hopefully he will get more tactful with experience without losing his unique
personality...

[Justplain]

I think that NK has dug itself into a hole that's hard to get out of. They have used this bluster far too long, and that is what Trump is harping on. I believe that NK has to just play one significant wrong move and the USA will attempt a surgical take down. I am surprised that nothing happened in response to the recent launch over Hokkaido. China indicated that any inital move NK made against the USA or any of its allies would void China's committment to defend NK. The missile launch could have been interpreted by the USA as an attack. My guess is the 'surgical response' is not yet fully in place, that's why no response.

What would a 'surgical response' likely entail? My guess is a takeout of the NK leadership with as little collateral damage as feasible. That way Russia and China could be pursuaded to stay out of it. This would likely not involve nukes of any large kilotonage, likely a tactical nuke at most, and likely no nukes at all. The danger, however, is if the surgical strike failed, massive civilian casualties would likely result. To avoid that, the USA would likely need to follow one of two strategies, first one is use an assasination type strike that might be confusing as to who did it, therefore no retaliation required. The question then is who takes over, would they be any better? The second option is a clearly military surgical strike and if not immediately successful a military followup that attempts to neutralize all of NK's offensive capabilities, including the mountain bunker artillery aimed at Soeul.

So, these scenarios are not very pleasant but i am becoming convinced something is going to happen if NK doesnt shut up and backdown. So, we'll have to see. It would be more advantageous for NK to back down and get some major aid package, etc., than to pursue this suicide tactic. But perhaps they are just following a script to start ww3. I really think that Russia is the wild card in an American attack. I think China is fully aware they cannot challenge American military might, at least not currently (that's why Taiwan is still independent). However, Russia doesnt see itself as weaker that the USA militarily, at least from their public posturing. I think they are mistaken to think so, and i hope we dont find out, but if it happens i personally believe the USA would be the last guy standing, in the middle of a smoking irradiated crater.

I hope it doesnt come to that.

[Bob]

Posted by Spiral (here)
How is turning NK to ash going to be anything but a disaster for SK if nukes are used ?

What about all the underground artillery NK has in the mountains facing SK ready to destroy Seoul ?

How do they justify murdering millions ? Or has Hollywood done such a good job of entrenching the BS "good guys vs bad guys" meme in everyone's mind that such a consideration is moot ?

B-2A stealth (the last picture in the op post 1, is equipped with 350 kiloton bunkerbusters. A 50 kiloton bunker buster is the equivalent of a 150 kiloton air burst.. A 350 k-ton bunker buster then is designed to get all the deepest N.K tunnels and command centers. There is even a marine version of this to go after their subs. I think I heard that S. Korea would be the casualty of war.. The S. Koreans have asked for tactical nukes to be deployed in their country. They won't go down without a fight. There are no winners, just losers, but the N.K. threat would be eliminated and a message sent to IRAN, that they would be next, no doubt, the strike would be initiated from Israel.. Just a hunch watching the feedback on the "inside" lines..

The B-52H cruise missile strikes would be launched to deal with any infrastructure, and defenses before the B-2A's destroyed the deep embedded tunnels/facilities. There would be cruise missiles from sea coming in as well..

The N.K. subs would be taken out pretty fast, no doubt their locations have been mapped pretty accurately. I suspect air to water nukes would be used instead of nuke torpedoes.. I don't think the US wants it's subs anywhere near the N. K. subs, as they would most likely be deployed throughout the US allies interests to protect them.

As to murdering "millions" of S. Koreans, N.K. since the beginning has been pretty adamant about doing just that. Stopping them before they do it to more than S. K. is what it seems is the UN's security Council's intent. Unanimous btw at that.. S.K. knows it's been living under that shadow for many many years. It's only been a matter of time before the N.K. "management" looses all sensibility and acts fully irrationally, that the clock strikes 12..

[Bob]

Posted by Bubu (here)
And since Bob is posting this strike capability, does this mean that he supports the strike or encourage other to do so.
subliminal,. eh.

I am not ever snarky with your posts Bubu, I would expect you to be civile with mine please. I've stated what is Current events news. Information purposes since I did not see such described accurately elsewhere.

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Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

Isn't SK the most densely populated city on the planet ?

concentrated in the Seoul Capital Area with 25 million residents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea



With all the talk of China I just realised Russia has a direct border with North Korea.
I should have known as the Soviets invaded Korea in 1945 to defeat the Japanese.


As U.S. and China find common ground on North Korea, is Russia the wild card?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-no...-idUSKBN17Z0B7

Where Russia meets North Korea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWgvhKMn4a8
North Korea has been condemned by the international community for continuing its
development of nuclear weapons and for testing long-range ballistic missiles.

This is good cross correlation Cider, thanks.

[Harley]

Over the years (where NK is concerned) the US has allowed themselves to be put between a rock and a hard spot.

If the US sits back and does nothing NK will eventually launch a massive attack and take SK, which has ALWAYS been their goal, massive lives will be lost, and it will be the US's fault.

If the US launches a limited nuclear first strike to take out NK's key facilities and decapitate the 'Head of the Serpent', massive lives will be lost, and it will be the US's fault.

What's a guy to do?

But before you answer that some of you may want to learn a little history on the Korean War, and more specifically about what is known as “The Forgotten War.” And this is a good place to start:

How the Korean War Almost Went Nuclear

You see, the US has learned some hard lessons and had to endure a bad rep (deservedly so) ever since bombing Japan, and because of that they have never done so since.

So now, what would YOU do?

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Defense Secretary Jim Mattis on Sunday (3 SEP 17):

DoD BUZZ

We had a small group national security meeting with the President and the Vice President to discuss the latest provocation on the Korean peninsula. We have many military options, and the President wanted a briefing on each of them. We have the ability to defend ourselves and our allies – South Korea and Japan – from an attack. Our commitments are ironclad. Any threat to the United States, or its territories – including Guam – or our allies will be met with a massive military response – a response both effective and overwhelming. Kim Jong Un should take heed of the United Nations Security Council’s unified voice – all members unanimously agreed on the threat North Korea poses, and remain unanimous in their commitment to the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula – because we are not looking to the total annihilation of a country – namely, North Korea. But, as I said, we have many options to do so.

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With it's successful launching of an ICBM OVER Japan, and it's successful test on Monday of a Hydrogen Bomb (6.2M on the USGS Richter Scale in Alaska), North Korea has now Directly Threatened the US and it's ALLIES.

The choices are limited and it's a hard decision, but NK appears to be making the decision for us.

This may occur at any moment, and when it does I will not be surprised in the least.

[Bob]

Thanks Harley, we can rightly say N.Korea is the aggressor and first strike instigator, with a launch demonstrating their capabilities over sovereign countries. They have violated sovereign air space, and in essence committed a first strike. The US is supposed to protect it's allies, one of them has been deliberately "attacked", with a first strike..

What action will be taken? As you point out :

United Nations Security Council’s unified voice – all members unanimously agreed on the threat North Korea poses, and remain unanimous in their commitment to the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula

N.K. is nuclear, that is demonstrated, they have invaded sovereign territory with their missiles.. that can be constituted as an attack.

Security council says there is no option, NK must be de-nucleariized. To do that, bunker busters are needed, and those need to be NUCLEAR tipped bunker busters. TO get the B-2A's in with those, the infrastructure needs to be eliminated, and many if not most are in hardened underground structures, not as deep as those needing the bunker busters from the B-2A's, but something that a very well orchestrated Air and Sea assault with nuclear tipped cruise missiles would ensure maximum "remediation/mitigation" of the potential kick-back from N.K.

I don't think I have heard anything about removing the threat from the N.K. nuclear EMP satellites, if they are planned to be taken out.. I still have a very ugly niggly feeling that those satellites are to be launched over Canada/US and UK, and western Europe.. a very very bad feeling still that I can't shake..

[Bubu]

Posted by Bob (here)

Posted by Bubu (here)
And since Bob is posting this strike capability, does this mean that he supports the strike or encourage other to do so.
subliminal,. eh.

I am not ever snarky with your posts Bubu, I would expect you to be civile with mine please. I've stated what is Current events news. Information purposes since I did not see such described accurately elsewhere.[COLOR="red"]

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No Bob, its not like; you hit me I hit you, we are discussing to bring clarity to issues especially the ones behind the scenes.

Members of this forum are generally peaceful so perhaps with a little imagination they can ask themselves "did I ever interest myself with war machines?"

Isnt war machines automatically connects to war and talks of war machines is talk of war. Imagine if some war monger on this forum seconded your post with "a more beautiful and more powerful beast". Then before long we will be discussing who's got the better and more destructive machines = war.

I imagine any peaceful person would be more interested in finding a peaceful solution and generally shuns talk of war machines.

Just my imaginings let peaceful people on Avalon have their own imaginings.

[Bob]

Posted by justntime2learn (here)

Posted by Spiral (here)
How is turning NK to ash going to be anything but a disaster for SK if nukes are used ?

What about all the underground artillery NK has in the mountains facing SK ready to destroy Seoul ?

How do they justify murdering millions ? Or has Hollywood done such a good job of entrenching the BS "good guys vs bad guys" meme in everyone's mind that such a consideration is moot ?

Isn't SK the most densely populated city on the planet ?

Mass murder reminds me of Hitler and we know how that turned out.

Very sad a whole country has been demonized when the number of villains are so much less.

I suppose that's the "American way".

When a villain in N. Korea destroys its citizens lives, threatens continually it's neighbors, keeping the population impoverished, taking the GNP of the country and building nuclear weapons, and creates for instance numerous war systems to take out S. Korea, or for that matter, threaten all of the Asian western pacific islands, with a dictatorial take-over, it seems to me those who let villain's (read psychopaths) have a continual a free reign are feigning their worldly responsibility to look after their fellow mankind.

It's been demonstrated that allowing monstrosities who do such things to their population, keep them in hunger to create a military regime will not ever end well. In the meantime there are casualties in those who defend human rights against such monstrosities. I don't see that can be avoided. Nobody has shown that the monstrosity running N.K. has any hope of rescinding their actions, behavior or future actions. It is what it is.

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Posted by Bubu (here)

Posted by Bob (here)

Posted by Bubu (here)
And since Bob is posting this strike capability, does this mean that he supports the strike or encourage other to do so.
subliminal,. eh.

I am not ever snarky with your posts Bubu, I would expect you to be civile with mine please. I've stated what is Current events news. Information purposes since I did not see such described accurately elsewhere.[COLOR="red"]

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No Bob, its not like; you hit me I hit you, we are discussing to bring clarity to issues especially the ones behind the scenes.

Members of this forum are generally peaceful so perhaps with a little imagination they can ask themselves "did I ever interest myself with war machines?"

Isnt war machines automatically connects to war and talks of war machines is talk of war. Imagine if some war monger on this forum seconded your post with "a more beautiful and more powerful beast". Then before long we will be discussing who's got the better and more destructive machines = war.

I imagine any peaceful person would be more interested in finding a peaceful solution and generally shuns talk of war machines.

Just my imaginings let peaceful people on Avalon have their own imaginings.

I point out again, I do not expect a snarky attack on what you perceive is my viewpoint, stating such is "subliminal" I consider that a personal derogatory attack. I state what I observe. Let's leave it at that.

[Jayke]

Posted by Bob (here)
Thanks Harley, we can rightly say N.Korea is the aggressor and first strike instigator, with a launch demonstrating their capabilities over sovereign countries. They have violated sovereign air space, and in essence committed a first strike. The US is supposed to protect it's allies, one of them has been deliberately "attacked", with a first strike..

What action will be taken? As you point out :

United Nations Security Council’s unified voice – all members unanimously agreed on the threat North Korea poses, and remain unanimous in their commitment to the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula

N.K. is nuclear, that is demonstrated, they have invaded sovereign territory with their missiles.. that can be constituted as an attack.

Security council says there is no option, NK must be de-nucleariized. To do that, bunker busters are needed, and those need to be NUCLEAR tipped bunker busters. TO get the B-2A's in with those, the infrastructure needs to be eliminated, and many if not most are in hardened underground structures, not as deep as those needing the bunker busters from the B-2A's, but something that a very well orchestrated Air and Sea assault with nuclear tipped cruise missiles would ensure maximum "remediation/mitigation" of the potential kick-back from N.K.

I don't think I have heard anything about removing the threat from the N.K. nuclear EMP satellites, if they are planned to be taken out.. I still have a very ugly niggly feeling that those satellites are to be launched over Canada/US and UK, and western Europe.. a very very bad feeling still that I can't shake..

I've got a strong feeling the UK won't be getting taken down by the N.K anytime soon...99.999% certain, there's always that niggly 00.001% though I suppose.

How can any american seriously justify a nuclear retaliation based on territorial aggression alone? How many times did American planes aggress into Syrian airspace? Trumps tomahawk missiles taking out a Syrian runway?

By Bobs standards Russia would be justified to defend its allies and wipe out the USA, based on US territorial aggression, but thankfully the Russians understand what diplomacy is well enough to exhaust all other options before launching any nuclear retaliatory strikes. To promote any kind of nuclear retaliatory response is absurd, and extremely hypocritical coming from any American 'insiders'.