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    Default Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    Mr. Harry Meier is a swizz guy with a peculiar Hobby. He loves to collect the strange and mysterious.

    Here is a piece of metal with a corresponding letter from his collection.





    The depicted metal object was found in the Arctic (stamp says Antarctic) in the 1930s. The finder described in a letter to his friend the strange find. He also described an extraordinary light phenomenon in the sky, which has moved very fast to the earth. With a loud bang and an unusual flash of light, the whole thing would have "dissolved". Just as if something had exploded. He had sought the spot and discovered a circular shape in the molten snow. Apart from some metal pieces, however, he had found no further clues to explain the event.

    The letter, strangely enough, reached the recipient only a year later!

    See the stamp of something mentioned by "difficulties".

    The son of the finder told me that his father mentioned that a few days after the discovery or after sending the letter to his friend a group of researchers emerged and inquired about the metal piece and the exact location. For fear, he told the researchers that he had thrown the piece of metal away. He could not have explained where people knew about everything and where they came from so quickly. When, after more than a year, he returned from his polar journeys, his friend told him of the strange delay in the letter, which suddenly explained a great deal.

    Investigations of the metal have shown: titanium metal in a purity of 99.9%! Titanium has a melting point of 1'668 degrees. In this form, titanium is unknown. An "emergence" in the 1930s in the political sphere is considered impossible. If at all, this form could only be manufactured with this high-purity special system, which certainly did not exist in the 1930s! Even today, no such "special facility" is known in science circles.

    Where does the metal come from? Who made it when and how?

    The Letter:




    Just as an comparrison, thats the best purest Titanium we can process at the Moment:

    This is done via the Van-de-Boer procedure to get a nearly crystalin stucture.
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    Default Re: Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    Well, there goes the arctic.

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    Lightbulb Re: Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    Well I am curious - so I took a look at the distribution of natural Titanium in the Arctic circle area, and came up with a few references.. (Thread title got me curious: "Re: Pure Titanium found in the arctic snow after UFO sighting 1934" ). So I went researching to find what potential for titanium exists in the Arctic.. (following the thread title lead)..

    One in particular, a book written about the Russian's exploration of the Arctic region for Energy exploitation. (there are many resources about the mineralogy of the region..)

    In a chapter looking at the Franz Josef Archipelago (see location in image below), very pure crystals of titanium and magnetite (titanium and magnetized iron oxide) have appeared "naturally" having formed many millions of years ago.. Outcrops (concentrations on the surface), have turned up. (https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0444537848)



    Also, platinum group metals and gold, copper, tin and so forth have been found there as well:

    Quote Lavas in Alexandra Land Island of the Franz Josef Land Archipelago bear Au-, Cu-, and Pd-type mineralization. The found mineral speciesbelong to the Cu–Au–Pd and Pd–Cu–(Te + Sb + S + As) systems being, respectively, (i) cuproauride (Au(Cu, Pd)) and auricupride (Au(Cu,Pd)3)and (ii) phases similar to skaergaardite (PdCu), nielsenite (PdCu3), and numerous S–Te–Sb–Pd–Cu phases of various compositions.

    Platinum-group minerals in dolerites from Alexandra Land Island (Franz Josef Land Archipelago) (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...nd_Archipelago [accessed Sep 13, 2017].
    I would venture to guess, what happened with the explorer, having observed a sky-fall and ground impact (and subsequent melting of any surface ice), accidentally/coincidentally stumbled across an outcrop, and picked up one of the numerous crystalline deposits.. Ultima Thule (forum Member): has written about Franz Joseph Land..


    (image from that page ultima0thule.blogspot above of one of the islands unique features..)
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    Default Re: Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    Very interesting...Does it mention anywhere what country or territory this discovery took place? Or was it indeed in the Arctic?
    What makes me wonder about it is because the stamp on the envelope reads "Little America, Antarctica".

    according to Wiki:
    "Little America II was established [in the Antarctica] in 1934, some 30 feet (10 m) above the site of the original base, with some of the original base accessed via tunnel.
    And also: During the 1934–1935 expedition, many souvenir letters were sent from Little America, using a commemorative postage stamp issued by the U.S. government."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little...ploration_base)

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    Default Re: Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    So curiouser and curiouser... are we talking (thread title ARCTIC), or looking closely at the POSTMARK - ANTarctica ?? two DIFFerent places many thousands of miles apart.. (see the image closely).



    IF the location is supposed to be the ANTARCTIC, then one would have to change the thread title for accuracy, and subsequent posters revise accordingly..

    Uzn posts in the OP #1,

    Quote Re: Pure Titanium found in the arctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    The depicted metal object was found in the Arctic in the 1930s. The finder described in a letter to his friend the strange find. He also described an extraordinary light phenomenon in the sky, which has moved very fast to the earth. With a loud bang and an unusual flash of light, the whole thing would have "dissolved". Just as if something had exploded. He had sought the spot and discovered a circular shape in the molten snow. Apart from some metal pieces, however, he had found no further clues to explain the event.
    UZN ?

    If it is Antarctica, that changes this thread. Never-the-less Titanium Magnetite crystals can be found where-ever there is the appropriate lava chemistry. And it would not change my feeling that an skyfall object could be a meteorite, and coincidentally, or accidentally, one could come across an outcrop. Although, I would feel Franz Josef Archipelago would offer a greater chance for titanium/magnetite crystals..
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    Default Re: Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    Must be Antarctic. The source article is here, and the word 'Arctic' is only mentioned once. (uzn did an expert translation. )

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    Default Re: Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Must be Antarctic. The source article is here, and the word 'Arctic' is only mentioned once. (uzn did an expert translation. )
    How about this conjecture?

    The letter was sent from Little America, Antarctica, but the "explorer earlier had been in the Arctic?" Mentions not wanting to be fully clear about where (or when maybe) that the discovery happened..

    Quote The son of the finder told me that his father mentioned that a few days after the discovery or after sending the letter to his friend a group of researchers emerged and inquired about the metal piece and the exact location.

    For fear, he told the researchers that he had thrown the piece of metal away. He could not have explained where people knew about everything and where they came from so quickly.

    When, after more than a year, he returned from his polar journeys, his friend told him of the strange delay in the letter, which suddenly explained a great deal.
    (I went to the source page, and ran the translator too, it does say "Arctic" in the letter).. is this conjecture possible? That the explorer had been elsewhere, but upon being at Antarctica later, then sent the letter out.. Lot of uncertainty it seems to me. That maybe it wasn't just a few days ago? I'm not sure how long it takes to fly from the Arctic to Antarctica for instance in the 1930's or what conveyances were used at that time. I have not heard of "titanium crystalline meteorites" tho..

    I don't yet see enough references to sort where the "discovery" was made either (as Sequoia was asking).

    Quote Very interesting...Does it mention anywhere what country or territory this discovery took place? Or was it indeed in the Arctic?

    What makes me wonder about it is because the stamp on the envelope reads "Little America, Antarctica".
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    Default Re: Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    Quote When, after more than a year, he returned from his polar journeys, his friend told him of the strange delay in the letter, which suddenly explained a great deal.
    • The letter is dated 29th January.
    • the Postal stamp is dated 31st January.
    • The envelop carries a stamped explanation of "transportation difficulties"
    So... the above may just refer to a delay of two days between expediter date and postage date stamp... enough for interception, unsealing, reading/copying, re-sealing and forwarding to post office... right?

    Whence the speed of inquiry from "other researchers" as to the inventor discovery... make sense?

    It's only after the end of his polar expedition, one year later, that the clarification of a 2-day delay in the vicinity of Little America was made known.

    Quote a few days after the discovery or after sending the letter to his friend a group of researchers emerged and inquired about the metal piece and the exact location.
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    Default Re: Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    Sure did have great postal service in Antartica and or Artic in those days!!!! A 2 day movement ????...written Jan29 and actually processed Jan 31...sheesh!! ......wished the snail mail worked that fast today.
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    Default Re: Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    Could very well have happened in the Antartic. As you pointed out the Letter clearly has the poststamp of Antartic on it (I missed that).
    The original Article was in german. And as Bill pointed out "arctic" was just mentioned once. And in german if one says "arctic" it in many cases just implies a very cold place.

    I changed the Threadname to Antarctic.
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    Default Re: Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    Quote Investigations of the metal have shown: titanium metal in a purity of 99.9%! Titanium has a melting point of 1'668 degrees. In this form, titanium is unknown. An "emergence" in the 1930s in the political sphere is considered impossible. If at all, this form could only be manufactured with this high-purity special system, which certainly did not exist in the 1930s! Even today, no such "special facility" is known in science circles.

    Where does the metal come from? Who made it when and how?
    So could this have been a natural outcrop or not? is it possible in nature?
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    Default Re: Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Quote Investigations of the metal have shown: titanium metal in a purity of 99.9%! Titanium has a melting point of 1'668 degrees. In this form, titanium is unknown. An "emergence" in the 1930s in the political sphere is considered impossible. If at all, this form could only be manufactured with this high-purity special system, which certainly did not exist in the 1930s! Even today, no such "special facility" is known in science circles.

    Where does the metal come from? Who made it when and how?
    So could this have been a natural outcrop or not? is it possible in nature?
    You dont find pure Titanium in nature. It´s not like Iron-Ore.
    You grind the whole rock where there is a bit of titaniumdioxid in it to fine rubble. Them you slowly cook and heat it until it get´s more fluid in nature. Then the hard part comes, seperating the different ingredients. One method is the Van de Boer procedure. Let´s just say it´s complicated.
    If one of these Minerals are in the Rock (Ilmenit (FeO + TiO2),  Rutil (TiO2), Anatas (TiO2), Brookit (TiO2), Perowskit (CaO + TiO2), Pyrophanit (MnO + TiO2), Titanit or Sphen (CaO + TiO2 + SiO2)) one can go ahead and extract some Titanium from the melted rock. But one never finds pure Titanium by working a pick on a rock (or digging in the snow for that matter).

    Recent History discovered Titanium 1791. More on how to extract Titanium from rock:
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    Default Re: Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    In true forum nature of "debate", I'm going to differ with the opinions that the "object" is 1)pure, and not just a unique find of let's say titanium/magnetite ore. So let's go through this point by point, item by item.

    The "quote" (body of OP post 1) cited words that come from a website listed below in this post (Abalona.ch) and maybe has what could be a Google-Translate translation error (I read it as ARCTIC, not ANTARCTIC), it is therefore unknown if it is really ARCTIC or ANTARCTICA of the location of the "find"; also saying "investigations" were performed. What investigations, and how in 1930's technology can such accuracy be found? With what equipment? I didn't see any "evidence" of cuttings of the metal sample, or shavings being sent to some "lab" somewhere.

    I don't see how any legitimate explorer couldn't be certain if he is in the "Arctic" or "Antarctica". To me it seems more like shoddy reporting where the original author from/of the article of Abalona.ch either potentially fabricated the whole thing (conjecture) or the son of the "explorer" ? had some lapse of memory where they were really, maybe missed or got wrong some details. Speaking to one who is well versed in German, Arctic, Antarctic and "Antarctica" are clear different things and descriptors, they are NOT one in the same and cannot be freely exchanged. For instance, Eismitte means Ice-Center in German. "Kalter Ort" literally means COLD PLACE in German.

    The Letter is written in ENGLISH, not German.


    The "story" on Abalona.ch is translated from German, and is not the "Letter" written by Frank (assuming Frank is the "discoverer" of the "object").

    Did anyone check the origins of the the "sample" picture(s) presented in the OP? One can find while doing searches, wiki and wiki-like pages showing such similar in appearance "images" as well as UFO websites using such pictures.

    Abalona.ch 's author claims 99.9% pure titanium for the "object" - such means the WHOLE object needs to be analyzed.. Else the claim is not representative of what is being presented. The whole object is not "destroyed" and the author (of the "hearsay article", (who Frank? or someone else?) writes at one point they tossed the object, another time it's still available for it to be photographed and submitted as 'proof'. Chemical analysis in the 1930's requires crushing, chemical treating with assorted acids, reducing, and doing "colormetric" testing and a guess is made, what is present.

    If one has a really good lab, one would then do a spectral FLAME analysis and see what spectral peaks are present. Modern equipment would do x-ray crystallographic analysis, and computer interpretation.. I highly doubt any such accuracy was performed because said equipment of that era is not sufficiently developed or accurate.

    Quote The son of the finder told me that his father mentioned that a few days after the discovery or after sending the letter to his friend a group of researchers emerged and inquired about the metal piece and the exact location.

    For fear, he told the researchers that he had thrown the piece of metal away.

    He could not have explained where people knew about everything and where they came from so quickly.

    When, after more than a year, he returned from his polar journeys, his friend told him of the strange delay in the letter, which suddenly explained a great deal.

    Investigations of the metal have shown: titanium metal in a purity of 99.9%!
    Quote Investigations of the metal have shown: titanium metal in a purity of 99.9%! Titanium has a melting point of 1'668 degrees. In this form, titanium is unknown. An "emergence" in the 1930s in the political sphere is considered impossible. If at all, this form could only be manufactured with this high-purity special system, which certainly did not exist in the 1930s! Even today, no such "special facility" is known in science circles.
    Below are the reasons for my belief. And for my dis-belief about the "object" and it's deduction that it "came from space" (assumption-->deduction without corroborating evidence), notwithstanding that the post presenting this is in the Home-Forum-Project Avalon-Ufology, Disclosure section of this forum. I don't see how it is a "UFO disclosure".


    Without the specimen what one has is a conjecture, or a "belief" that such was what the Abalona.ch author says it was.

    The research that I pointed out in my post above (here) has a reference to Russian discoveries within the Franz Josef Archipelago, that natural TITANIUM/MAGNETITE crystals do appear naturally.

    This is an image of such a type of crystalline form of Magnetite. It is easy to have titanium be merged with such a crystal, and for the appearance I would believe to look like the "discovery" item.


    Below is an image of TITANIUM ORE containing crystalline structure, such is from the Ilmen-mountains, Russia.


    Is the discoverer a chemist? What chemical analysis was performed? How could it be proved that what one was looking at in the OP photo isn't simply the natural crystalline form of a unique Titanium/Magnetite formation as IS found in the Arctic (not Antarctica).

    There is a mention in the op of investigations, what investigations by whom? Reading the "original" LETTER submitted, all we see is a hand drawn picture at the bottom of the object, and no mention of "investigations". What is then presented? Second or third hand interpretation of the son of "Frank" the letter's signator? Where is the "object", in possession of the shop keeper described below at "Abalona.ch" ?

    But let's start with a close look at the website of Abalona. What's it all about?

    This below is the OP post 1 photo submitted to the Forum -



    That image to me looks like it could be a piece of ORE material; eventually to be ground up and chemically treated, if one is going to extract titanium out of it; it does not at all resemble refined "PURE TITANIUM". It could just as easily be some shiny metal taken out of a silicone mold and "depicted" as some skyfall metal. Seems to me one would have no proof by just looking at internet pictures except for doing one's own chemical and crystallographic x-ray diffraction analysis if one were so inclined and the "sample" actually available for analysis..

    The "image" of the "object" is sourced on a website which says this on its homepage:

    Quote Welcome to Abalona
    The worlds of humans, animals, plants and stones
    At Abalona you will find valuable information on Indian culture and Indian handicraft.
    With more than 30 years of professional experience as a diploma in social pedagogy, you can book appointments for Shamanic Reading.

    From Abalona's website page "strange metal object" is the link the OP has for the "Report" which Google Translate translates accurately enough to get a good sense of what is being conveyed if one takes it at face value.

    http://www.abalona.ch/raetsel/metallobjekt.htm

    see also: http://www.abalona.ch/raetselhaftes.htm

    Also on that website is an apparent "claim" of a piece of METAL found from a UFO from Roswell - this is the image:

    One can then look for other websites/forums discussing the "UFO METAL" some using the 99.9% reference which sure seems like it comes from a WIKI page describing the 1910 "Hunter Process" (Pure metallic titanium (99.9%) was first prepared in 1910 by Matthew A. Hunter)

    The "PURE TITANIUM" claim as well as the "Roswell UFO METAL" claim are found on his "Puzzling" page - http://www.abalona.ch/raetselhaftes.htm

    From his opening statement on that page the website author says this:

    Quote "In 1901, European hunters found a previously unknown animal in the African primeval forests. The natives called it "Okapi". The university professors explained that such an animal could not exist. Today it is in every better zoo in the world. »
    A. Schneider

    After a long hesitation, I have now been able to present some of my most remarkable and enigmatic objects, which I have encountered in the last twenty years, to a somewhat broader public. Most of the objects are located for "clarification away".

    Now and then an object in our shop "Abalona" in Thun is "guest".

    All I intend with this publication is to raise questions. Certainly, it is not my intention to "answer" answers to questions so to speak. I just can not.

    Of course, I have guesses but they are so to say "privacy" and remain just nothing but presumptions.

    So it is not my intention to convince someone of anything!
    I see no technical analysis proving that the "stone" in the op is pure titanium. The picture of the object to me resembles closely the discoveries in the Franz Josef Land of what looks like titanium/magnetite ORE.

    In crystalline form.

    I can't say my opinion is changed, and now more-so, the data on the page that the "letter" or "story" is linked to, the website author says he even won't certify it as accurate and even won't say where such object's he may have in his possession (if relevant) were found.

    Below is an actual picture of PURE TITANIUM INGOTS.. before milling.


    In the OP there is mention of the Anton Eduard van Arkel and Jan Hendrik de Boer process. Such is an evaporation process where the metal is combined with Iodine and then placed on a tungsten filament. It is similar to vapor deposition process where an ultra-thin coating of an evaporated metal is deposited on a surface. Such does not present as a form of ingot, (nor is it economical).

    The image used in the OP is very similar to the Wiki-page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium write-up on Titanium. The wiki-page also mentions the history of titanium refining:

    Quote Pure metallic titanium (99.9%) was first prepared in 1910 by Matthew A. Hunter at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute by heating TiCl4 with sodium at 700–800 °C under great pressure in a batch process known as the Hunter process.

    Titanium metal was not used outside the laboratory until 1932 when William Justin Kroll proved that it can be produced by reducing titanium tetrachloride (TiCl4) with calcium. (Reduction is the process of converting one part of a chemical compound into its elemental and in this case salt "calcium chloride" plus titanium).

    Eight years later he refined this process with magnesium and even sodium in what became known as the Kroll process.

    Although research continues into more efficient and cheaper processes (e.g., FFC Cambridge, Armstrong), the Kroll process is still used for commercial production.
    Titanium of very high purity was made in small quantities when Anton Eduard van Arkel and Jan Hendrik de Boer discovered the iodide, or crystal bar, process in 1925, by reacting with iodine and decomposing the formed vapors over a hot filament to pure metal.

    Quote from the OP post 1
    Quote This is done via the Van-de-Boer procedure to get a nearly crystalin stucture.
    It could also be that the "conjecture" was also derived from this webpage (hard to tell really)...
    http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/ind...num=1244509458
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    Default Re: Pure Titanium found in the Antarctic snow after UFO sighting 1934

    Hard to argue with that, Bob. Nice work.

    The ore sample in the op to me looked unsueable in its present form. It looks brittle and not very malleable. The crystalline structure is random. I do not know the temperatures involved in re-entry or crashing but I assume it is hot enough to melt titanium. If it is, this is not the type of sample I would expect to find from an alien craft - even if it was melted. And I don't think it would randomly cool out in such a nice crystalline fashion.

    I decided, that for me this a piece of a meteorite...
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    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    In true forum nature of "debate", I'm going to differ with the opinions that the "object" is 1)pure, and not just a unique find of let's say titanium/magnetite ore. So let's go through this point by point, item by item.

    The "quote" (body of OP post 1) cited words that come from a website listed below in this post (Abalona.ch) and maybe has what could be a Google-Translate translation error (I read it as ARCTIC, not ANTARCTIC), it is therefore unknown if it is really ARCTIC or ANTARCTICA of the location of the "find"; also saying "investigations" were performed. What investigations, and how in 1930's technology can such accuracy be found? With what equipment? I didn't see any "evidence" of cuttings of the metal sample, or shavings being sent to some "lab" somewhere.

    I don't see how any legitimate explorer couldn't be certain if he is in the "Arctic" or "Antarctica". To me it seems more like shoddy reporting where the original author from/of the article of Abalona.ch either potentially fabricated the whole thing (conjecture) or the son of the "explorer" ? had some lapse of memory where they were really, maybe missed or got wrong some details. Speaking to one who is well versed in German, Arctic, Antarctic and "Antarctica" are clear different things and descriptors, they are NOT one in the same and cannot be freely exchanged. For instance, Eismitte means Ice-Center in German. "Kalter Ort" literally means COLD PLACE in German.

    The Letter is written in ENGLISH, not German.


    The "story" on Abalona.ch is translated from German, and is not the "Letter" written by Frank (assuming Frank is the "discoverer" of the "object").

    Did anyone check the origins of the the "sample" picture(s) presented in the OP? One can find while doing searches, wiki and wiki-like pages showing such similar in appearance "images" as well as UFO websites using such pictures.

    Abalona.ch 's author claims 99.9% pure titanium for the "object" - such means the WHOLE object needs to be analyzed.. Else the claim is not representative of what is being presented. The whole object is not "destroyed" and the author (of the "hearsay article", (who Frank? or someone else?) writes at one point they tossed the object, another time it's still available for it to be photographed and submitted as 'proof'. Chemical analysis in the 1930's requires crushing, chemical treating with assorted acids, reducing, and doing "colormetric" testing and a guess is made, what is present.

    If one has a really good lab, one would then do a spectral FLAME analysis and see what spectral peaks are present. Modern equipment would do x-ray crystallographic analysis, and computer interpretation.. I highly doubt any such accuracy was performed because said equipment of that era is not sufficiently developed or accurate.

    Quote The son of the finder told me that his father mentioned that a few days after the discovery or after sending the letter to his friend a group of researchers emerged and inquired about the metal piece and the exact location.

    For fear, he told the researchers that he had thrown the piece of metal away.

    He could not have explained where people knew about everything and where they came from so quickly.

    When, after more than a year, he returned from his polar journeys, his friend told him of the strange delay in the letter, which suddenly explained a great deal.

    Investigations of the metal have shown: titanium metal in a purity of 99.9%!
    Quote Investigations of the metal have shown: titanium metal in a purity of 99.9%! Titanium has a melting point of 1'668 degrees. In this form, titanium is unknown. An "emergence" in the 1930s in the political sphere is considered impossible. If at all, this form could only be manufactured with this high-purity special system, which certainly did not exist in the 1930s! Even today, no such "special facility" is known in science circles.
    Below are the reasons for my belief. And for my dis-belief about the "object" and it's deduction that it "came from space" (assumption-->deduction without corroborating evidence), notwithstanding that the post presenting this is in the Home-Forum-Project Avalon-Ufology, Disclosure section of this forum. I don't see how it is a "UFO disclosure".


    Without the specimen what one has is a conjecture, or a "belief" that such was what the Abalona.ch author says it was.

    The research that I pointed out in my post above (here) has a reference to Russian discoveries within the Franz Josef Archipelago, that natural TITANIUM/MAGNETITE crystals do appear naturally.

    This is an image of such a type of crystalline form of Magnetite. It is easy to have titanium be merged with such a crystal, and for the appearance I would believe to look like the "discovery" item.


    Below is an image of TITANIUM ORE containing crystalline structure, such is from the Ilmen-mountains, Russia.


    Is the discoverer a chemist? What chemical analysis was performed? How could it be proved that what one was looking at in the OP photo isn't simply the natural crystalline form of a unique Titanium/Magnetite formation as IS found in the Arctic (not Antarctica).

    There is a mention in the op of investigations, what investigations by whom? Reading the "original" LETTER submitted, all we see is a hand drawn picture at the bottom of the object, and no mention of "investigations". What is then presented? Second or third hand interpretation of the son of "Frank" the letter's signator? Where is the "object", in possession of the shop keeper described below at "Abalona.ch" ?

    But let's start with a close look at the website of Abalona. What's it all about?

    This below is the OP post 1 photo submitted to the Forum -



    That image to me looks like it could be a piece of ORE material; eventually to be ground up and chemically treated, if one is going to extract titanium out of it; it does not at all resemble refined "PURE TITANIUM". It could just as easily be some shiny metal taken out of a silicone mold and "depicted" as some skyfall metal. Seems to me one would have no proof by just looking at internet pictures except for doing one's own chemical and crystallographic x-ray diffraction analysis if one were so inclined and the "sample" actually available for analysis..

    The "image" of the "object" is sourced on a website which says this on its homepage:

    Quote Welcome to Abalona
    The worlds of humans, animals, plants and stones
    At Abalona you will find valuable information on Indian culture and Indian handicraft.
    With more than 30 years of professional experience as a diploma in social pedagogy, you can book appointments for Shamanic Reading.

    From Abalona's website page "strange metal object" is the link the OP has for the "Report" which Google Translate translates accurately enough to get a good sense of what is being conveyed if one takes it at face value.

    http://www.abalona.ch/raetsel/metallobjekt.htm

    see also: http://www.abalona.ch/raetselhaftes.htm

    Also on that website is an apparent "claim" of a piece of METAL found from a UFO from Roswell - this is the image:

    One can then look for other websites/forums discussing the "UFO METAL" some using the 99.9% reference which sure seems like it comes from a WIKI page describing the 1910 "Hunter Process" (Pure metallic titanium (99.9%) was first prepared in 1910 by Matthew A. Hunter)

    The "PURE TITANIUM" claim as well as the "Roswell UFO METAL" claim are found on his "Puzzling" page - http://www.abalona.ch/raetselhaftes.htm

    From his opening statement on that page the website author says this:

    Quote "In 1901, European hunters found a previously unknown animal in the African primeval forests. The natives called it "Okapi". The university professors explained that such an animal could not exist. Today it is in every better zoo in the world. »
    A. Schneider

    After a long hesitation, I have now been able to present some of my most remarkable and enigmatic objects, which I have encountered in the last twenty years, to a somewhat broader public. Most of the objects are located for "clarification away".

    Now and then an object in our shop "Abalona" in Thun is "guest".

    All I intend with this publication is to raise questions. Certainly, it is not my intention to "answer" answers to questions so to speak. I just can not.

    Of course, I have guesses but they are so to say "privacy" and remain just nothing but presumptions.

    So it is not my intention to convince someone of anything!
    I see no technical analysis proving that the "stone" in the op is pure titanium. The picture of the object to me resembles closely the discoveries in the Franz Josef Land of what looks like titanium/magnetite ORE.

    In crystalline form.

    I can't say my opinion is changed, and now more-so, the data on the page that the "letter" or "story" is linked to, the website author says he even won't certify it as accurate and even won't say where such object's he may have in his possession (if relevant) were found.

    Below is an actual picture of PURE TITANIUM INGOTS.. before milling.


    In the OP there is mention of the Anton Eduard van Arkel and Jan Hendrik de Boer process. Such is an evaporation process where the metal is combined with Iodine and then placed on a tungsten filament. It is similar to vapor deposition process where an ultra-thin coating of an evaporated metal is deposited on a surface. Such does not present as a form of ingot, (nor is it economical).

    The image used in the OP is very similar to the Wiki-page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium write-up on Titanium. The wiki-page also mentions the history of titanium refining:

    Quote Pure metallic titanium (99.9%) was first prepared in 1910 by Matthew A. Hunter at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute by heating TiCl4 with sodium at 700–800 °C under great pressure in a batch process known as the Hunter process.

    Titanium metal was not used outside the laboratory until 1932 when William Justin Kroll proved that it can be produced by reducing titanium tetrachloride (TiCl4) with calcium. (Reduction is the process of converting one part of a chemical compound into its elemental and in this case salt "calcium chloride" plus titanium).

    Eight years later he refined this process with magnesium and even sodium in what became known as the Kroll process.

    Although research continues into more efficient and cheaper processes (e.g., FFC Cambridge, Armstrong), the Kroll process is still used for commercial production.
    Titanium of very high purity was made in small quantities when Anton Eduard van Arkel and Jan Hendrik de Boer discovered the iodide, or crystal bar, process in 1925, by reacting with iodine and decomposing the formed vapors over a hot filament to pure metal.

    Quote from the OP post 1
    Quote This is done via the Van-de-Boer procedure to get a nearly crystalin stucture.
    It could also be that the "conjecture" was also derived from this webpage (hard to tell really)...
    http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/ind...num=1244509458
    Thank you. You nailed it.

    You are more energetic than I.
    I wouldn't write that much to pinpoint the flaw but your intended reader definitely needs it.
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