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    Default Re: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor

    Portraying Simon it the way that he was as an important whistle blower etc to my mind, brings the alternative comunity--conspiracy theorists into disrepute.
    That is a shame.
    Lets face it, believing a man who says he fathered a child with an alien beggars belief.
    Its not biologically possible--i suspect.

    All thanks to Albert e Daniela for starting this thread and others, who fell foul of Simon's counseling, contributing here.
    Also thanks to those who contacted Bill --privately.

    The truth will out, I think it has beyond all reasonable doubt.

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    Hi all,

    I see that many accusations are being made against Simon Parkes at this time and some people have asked that I give my own assessment in this regard. First of all let me say that without sounding too cavalier that Simon stated from the outset that he was part Reptilian, part Mantid and part human. This continues to be a rather accurate depiction of him and his character. For those not familiar with the dark side of Reptilians and Mantid beings let me say that my total recall interviews with Captain Mark Richards should clarify any confusion as to their natures rather quickly. There are 4 interviews with Mark and he often talks and writes about the predatory nature of both species. Their history is one of raping and eating humans... using them as sex slaves, for breeding and food.

    Now, understanding Simon's proclivities and bloodline (he is what we call Illuminati and has detailed in many interviews his parents and ancestors working with and for the power elite)... this should have given everyone a clear heads up from the start.

    With that said I do understand that Simon has made a strong effort to work for the light and behaves in public (I have met him at several conferences where he spoke) as a gentleman and concerned bringer of truth. This does not mean he is an angel or that he has broken from his past or bloodline inclinations. It simply means he is in this human body working to join the light and the battle on the side of humanity.

    Keep in mind that what happens when anyone (of relative obscurity) even someone who worked as a politician (counselor) in the British government suddenly reaches the levels of fame associated with coming to the notice of the alternative media especially with the Camelot audience things change around them massively.

    I have seen this happen time and time again. I even warn most people prior to an interview that this can happen and they need to be well centered and decide if they are able to handle it. In Simon's case one would think he was already well known enough in his role as a British politician to know what to expect.

    At this time, I would say that he is working to rebalance himself. However, he may well be have been taken over (more than once) and even now his bloodline makes him vulnerable to possession by the P2 Lodge dark Magicians and others. Please understand this carefully.
    Like Leo Zagami and others (including many supersoldiers) takeovers and possession happen often and various beings will use human vessels, sidelining the original occupant to step in and cause mayhem and havoc when the human is under attack as well as feeling adrift or simply in a weakened state.

    Being aware of when this is happening with a fellow human is vital in these times. Please do not resort to being judge and jury when dealing with each other or seeing that others have fallen (temporarily) under the spell of these forces. In Simon's case, based on my meetings with him over time and interviews I can say that he is currently under great pressure because of the DISCLOSURES and WARNINGS and truth he has been putting out there. This is when attacks will be most severe.

    Be aware that THEY do not want one of their own crossing over to the light and will work to bring him back using various means and invasionary techniques.

    Who among you will throw the first stone? Hollywood stars and well known people are often the targets of these takeover attempts and Simon is no exception. It doesn't mean he is lost. And it doesn't mean that the people attracted to him are necessarily innocent themselves either. To take sides in this type of "relationship" battle is ludicrous. If someone is courted by individuals in these high profile positions they are bound to find their partners attacked as a result. Withstanding these psychic, demonic or negative ET walk-in or takeover attempts is not easy or simple.

    I will say that in my experience, men who go from relative obscurity to sudden rampant adulation and fame are easy targets and often find themselves prey to these forces. Sometimes it lasts a lifetime or more. And sometimes they regain their center and recognize what's happening early on... It varies. Women are less vulnerable.

    The fault is on both sides. People seeking answers outside themselves forming hero worship and other attachments are just as guilty of bringing forward attacks on themselves from predators.... And many humans have rampant predatory type genes contributing to this syndrome. Keep in mind the victim will switch to the predator sometimes in the same lifetime and sometimes in the next.

    I wish Simon well and see his struggle. If you wish to label him a sociopath you need to look to yourselves and see what you find...

    For what it's worth I will be releasing a KEY VIDEO from the Malta conference where he is saying some things about the upcoming FINANCIAL RESET which is enough to send the powers that be arrayed against him. And so you need to weigh and balance the efforts of the man to overcome his adversaries, tell the truth and see his sexual / interpersonal relationships in their own light.

    None of our WHISTLEBLOWERS are angels or ascended beings. They come from the DARK SIDE to reveal the truth to humanity as they know it. They may emerge for a brief time then be taken over or return back to work for the dark. However this happens beware and understand this is the nature of the world we are currently part off. Use your discernment and do not see them as your saviors. They are doing a service to humanity however brief.

    Many many of the Camelot witnesses have gone back to work for the dark side and some have lost their lives trying to deliver the truth to the masses.

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    Default Re: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor

    Fair enough Kerry --but to enter into the counseling business when you know the dangers that may involve clients just by being in your presence, lacks integrity.
    I don't think it can be justified by claiming to be not fully human.

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    You are missing most of what I said... there is no justification. Only understanding and awareness needed.

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    Default Re: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor

    No Kerry I did not miss it---within the subject of this thread which is about Simon as a counselor was my response.
    I have feelings for those who had bad experiences.

    I have no way of evaluating the value of information Simon has brought as a whistle blower.

    I have said on the thread we are all equal and possibly there is a need for forgiveness and compassion, it has been said that perhaps he should seek professional help.
    Bill having listened to a recording of a counseling session was very clear that no way should he be counseling people.
    Perhaps you should talk to Bill.

    Its a long thread Kerry --there has been some understanding shown.

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    Quote Posted by Kerry Cassidy (here)
    <snip.
    For what it's worth I will be releasing a KEY VIDEO from the Malta conference where he is saying some things about the upcoming FINANCIAL RESET which is enough to send the powers that be arrayed against him. And so you need to weigh and balance the efforts of the man to overcome his adversaries, tell the truth and see his sexual / interpersonal relationships in their own light. <snip>

    Kerry Cassidy
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    Kerry, I look forward to learning any ideas you may have for us to more easily navigate and avoid whatever the dark side has planned for humanity.

    That is a great question for Simon also.

    Thanks, Ron
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    Default Re: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor

    yes, it does sound immensely lame for Simon to justify his shortcomings as a counseller (or whatever he is) by blaming a 4th dimensional reptilian alien he calls "Dad". In fact, his whole background and story sounds utterly preposterous, at least on the surface...

    ...but let me remind everyone: we have a 13 page thread here on psychic attacks. We externalize constantly. We blame everything from demons to ufo's to A.I. to otherdimensional beings for our behavior and thoughts and actions. We blame the position of the stars. We blame archons, milabs. The list is endless. Anything but ourselves. I know there is some legitimacy in some of those things, but much of it reads like "the dog ate my homework".

    I'm ambivalent on the whole Simon thing. But it seems quite hypocritical to ridicule the guy for something we do here every day. Oh yes, WE can blame everything from demons to bad dreams for our behavior, but once Simon does, he's a flake and a nutter and a liar. We love to raise these people up then tear them down. Same pattern, every time. If he's a flake, fine. If he's a nutter, ok. Liar, fine. But then we're all flakes and nutters and liars.

    I want to have an opinion on his alleged hugely inappropriate behavior towards women, but it's all heresay at this point. But i'm sorry - if it's true, I'm not ready to blame his alleged background as part reptile, part mantid, part lunch box, part cell phone, part this n part that. That's totally absurd, and I was surprised to hear you justify such despicable behavior that way Kerry. I doubt you'd be thinking that way if you were one of his victims(alleged).

    But if one does truly believe Simon is part reptilian, part mantid etc, and knowing what we think we know about those alien species...why would anyone seek him out for help to begin with?

    And if you don't truly believe those claims, then he's a blatant liar...and again, why would you seek out a blatant liar for help?

    It just doesnt make sense from any angle....so it's hard to know what to think about it all.

    Theres been some testimony here thats hard to ignore. No doubt Simon is quite sloppy in his work with some of his clients. I havent heard this audio Bill referenced, but I trust his judgement that its quite a mess. But as far as the more serious allegations, I think we need to hear some legitimate testimony from the victims before we can responsibly make accusations.

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    Quote Posted by Kerry Cassidy (here)
    Hi all,

    I see that many accusations are being made against Simon Parkes at this time and some people have asked that I give my own assessment in this regard. First of all let me say that without sounding too cavalier that Simon stated from the outset that he was part Reptilian, part Mantid and part human. This continues to be a rather accurate depiction of him and his character. For those not familiar with the dark side of Reptilians and Mantid beings let me say that my total recall interviews with Captain Mark Richards should clarify any confusion as to their natures rather quickly. There are 4 interviews with Mark and he often talks and writes about the predatory nature of both species. Their history is one of raping and eating humans... using them as sex slaves, for breeding and food.

    Now, understanding Simon's proclivities and bloodline (he is what we call Illuminati and has detailed in many interviews his parents and ancestors working with and for the power elite)... this should have given everyone a clear heads up from the start.

    With that said I do understand that Simon has made a strong effort to work for the light and behaves in public (I have met him at several conferences where he spoke) as a gentleman and concerned bringer of truth. This does not mean he is an angel or that he has broken from his past or bloodline inclinations. It simply means he is in this human body working to join the light and the battle on the side of humanity.

    Keep in mind that what happens when anyone (of relative obscurity) even someone who worked as a politician (counselor) in the British government suddenly reaches the levels of fame associated with coming to the notice of the alternative media especially with the Camelot audience things change around them massively.

    I have seen this happen time and time again. I even warn most people prior to an interview that this can happen and they need to be well centered and decide if they are able to handle it. In Simon's case one would think he was already well known enough in his role as a British politician to know what to expect.

    At this time, I would say that he is working to rebalance himself. However, he may well be have been taken over (more than once) and even now his bloodline makes him vulnerable to possession by the P2 Lodge dark Magicians and others. Please understand this carefully.
    Like Leo Zagami and others (including many supersoldiers) takeovers and possession happen often and various beings will use human vessels, sidelining the original occupant to step in and cause mayhem and havoc when the human is under attack as well as feeling adrift or simply in a weakened state.

    Being aware of when this is happening with a fellow human is vital in these times. Please do not resort to being judge and jury when dealing with each other or seeing that others have fallen (temporarily) under the spell of these forces. In Simon's case, based on my meetings with him over time and interviews I can say that he is currently under great pressure because of the DISCLOSURES and WARNINGS and truth he has been putting out there. This is when attacks will be most severe.

    Be aware that THEY do not want one of their own crossing over to the light and will work to bring him back using various means and invasionary techniques.

    Who among you will throw the first stone? Hollywood stars and well known people are often the targets of these takeover attempts and Simon is no exception. It doesn't mean he is lost. And it doesn't mean that the people attracted to him are necessarily innocent themselves either. To take sides in this type of "relationship" battle is ludicrous. If someone is courted by individuals in these high profile positions they are bound to find their partners attacked as a result. Withstanding these psychic, demonic or negative ET walk-in or takeover attempts is not easy or simple.

    I will say that in my experience, men who go from relative obscurity to sudden rampant adulation and fame are easy targets and often find themselves prey to these forces. Sometimes it lasts a lifetime or more. And sometimes they regain their center and recognize what's happening early on... It varies. Women are less vulnerable.

    The fault is on both sides. People seeking answers outside themselves forming hero worship and other attachments are just as guilty of bringing forward attacks on themselves from predators.... And many humans have rampant predatory type genes contributing to this syndrome. Keep in mind the victim will switch to the predator sometimes in the same lifetime and sometimes in the next.

    I wish Simon well and see his struggle. If you wish to label him a sociopath you need to look to yourselves and see what you find...

    For what it's worth I will be releasing a KEY VIDEO from the Malta conference where he is saying some things about the upcoming FINANCIAL RESET which is enough to send the powers that be arrayed against him. And so you need to weigh and balance the efforts of the man to overcome his adversaries, tell the truth and see his sexual / interpersonal relationships in their own light.

    None of our WHISTLEBLOWERS are angels or ascended beings. They come from the DARK SIDE to reveal the truth to humanity as they know it. They may emerge for a brief time then be taken over or return back to work for the dark. However this happens beware and understand this is the nature of the world we are currently part off. Use your discernment and do not see them as your saviors. They are doing a service to humanity however brief.

    Many many of the Camelot witnesses have gone back to work for the dark side and some have lost their lives trying to deliver the truth to the masses.

    To the journey,

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    That's by far the best evaluation of Simon Parkes situation to date. Thank you Kerry.
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    Quote Originally posted by Kerry Cassidy: "The fault is on both sides. People seeking answers outside themselves forming hero worship and other attachments are just as guilty of bringing forward attacks on themselves from predators...."
    There is a great deal of truth here. Perheps 'fault' may be replaced with - 'a learning curve' (?), the hyperdimensional interference is quite convoluted and is constantly playing with our human nature and psych, perheps even being responsible to it in some way. And there is not much question to the timing of the various 'disputes' going around, all is a play on the interdimensional 'stage'. so checking ourselves without too much self-flagellation or with pointing fingers towards each other is (as when there are two sides - there is always a dynamic..) the best remedy for moving forward, things when are kept and observed only on the human level, may miss some important points, and opposite to that - not taking in enough of the human level into consideration (our very worthy humanity), is also a thorn in the heal, so there is much to chew on for all of us, and hopefully we are able to sit later on with each other on the same table and get things going, as we all need each other.

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    It can all be discussed --all points of view valid but they are points of view unless you were at the cutting edge.
    The starters of the thread and several others who shared were at the cutting edge--they are giving a direct testament of their experience.
    Then there is the audio that Bill received---in all the years I have never heard Bill so direct and adamant about anything as he was about this recording.
    We either believe him or we dont.

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    Default Re: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor

    ​Giving away personal power of discernment to anyone is likely to bring an unpleasant lesson of self responsibility.

    Assigning blame is not productive either.

    Self empowerment, integrating the rational and intuitive minds should always be our goal.

    Readings can be an entertaining experience. Evaluate the experience (if wanted), which may be helpful or not.

    I've had 3 Skype sessions with Simon and never thought of him as a therapeutic counselor. Simon provided his unique perspective of current affairs, which I very much enjoyed. After publicly questioning some of Simon's information, I was removed from his Facebook group and started receiving what I interpret as being psychic attacks.

    The attacks stopped after a month or so, or I learned how to handle them. I do not blame Simon for the attacks, but my gut feeling is that the attacks were somehow related to my contact with Simon.

    This human experience (IMHO) can be accurately described as boot camp for consciousness in a free will universe where one can allow personal power to be given away (or not) and others can try to manipulate us into giving it away.

    We all may be in the best place to learn our lessons. When we accept responsibility for where we are, we become more empowered to implement positive change.

    The best advice I can give myself is to "Choose wisely."

    We are our own Saviors.
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    Default Re: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor

    As an aside
    I have to admit that I am a little disillusioned with whistle blowers---there have been members here who claimed all sorts of things in the role of blowing the whistle---most have been seen to be frauds after the usual hero worship.

    Now I haven't followed Simon as a whistle blower--can any one enlighten me as to the accuracy of his whistle blowing to date?

    Just great store seems to set on him being a whistle blower, that seems more important than people being abused--that was admitted to apologized for then withdrawn ---on his web site.

    If he is into free love --fair enough--thats no crime--if clients were seduced thats a bit different.
    However takes two to tango.

    People went to him in trust, not necessarily out of wanting to be seen by some one famous

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    Thanks Guys interesting debate , I will not enter into it as I can see both sides and
    as I have not read the whole thread I do not wish to comment out of place. I have
    followed a lot of this from David Icke and the Jimmy Saville thread perspective and
    others.So I have no doubt these entities and ET's have interacted with us forever
    and feed off our energies and all manor of manipulation.

    I also think we are eternal beings 'gods' with amnesia who at a higher level can
    swat these beings/entities away. But while we are here on this plane there are
    many obstacles to navigate. From that point of view we probably all have slightly
    different understandings of this reality. But we are all here so we must have
    something in common on our journey......Steve
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    Quote Posted by BMJ (here)

    [replying to Kerry] That's by far the best evaluation of Simon Parkes situation to date.
    Well, maybe not.

    For the record, this is what I wrote to Kerry privately (very slightly edited), when she e-mailed me a few hours ago that she'd been contacted by an Avalon member (this was not mentioned by her, but it was Agape), to make a comment about Simon.

    Kerry told me she had not read the thread, and knew nothing about the allegations and complaints.

    I can't quote her message to me, but I can copy my own reply.


    Hi there, Kerry — yes, there are serious allegations. Of two kinds:
    1. Very poor counseling practice (even damaging)
    2. Sexual impropriety.
    The first, quite a few have posted details of their personal experiences. The second, the Avalon mods have only heard off-public-record (but in detail and from people we know, including the person who he is engaged to, and who really needs to leave him soonest for her own safety).

    Simon is a sexual predator, and talks many of his female clients into having sex as a way of 'healing' them. Not a joke or an exaggeration.

    He's a dangerous sociopath. Period. It's definitive. But before coming to that same conclusion yourself, read this thread carefully from beginning to end (and also show it to everyone you know who has the same questions or has heard the same rumors):

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...as-a-counselor

    The most show-stopping post is this one. It's entirely unedited. It was sent to me personally by e-mail.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1084425

    Happy to say more... but you'll absolutely understand that the sensitive sexual information that's been sent was shared in total confidence.

    Hope this helps... Love, Bill

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    Hi Bill, without naming names or giving details or betraying confidences, can you say how many women, that youre aware of, that Simon has mistreated sexually?

    I'm just curious. One would be too many...but are talking like Bill Cosby type numbers here?

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    Thanks for your post Bill--I suspected that someone had asked Kerry to comment--which she did in all faith but obviously in ignorance of the content of the thread.
    Even now no doubt there will be some members who don't get it!!! and will continue to support Simon.

    Oh well its a free country so to speak.

    Best wishes
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    Quote For the record, this is what I wrote to Kerry privately (very slightly edited), when she e-mailed me a few hours ago that she'd been contacted by an Avalon member (this was not mentioned by her, but it was Agape), to make a comment about Simon.

    Kerry told me she had not read the thread, and knew nothing about the allegations and complaints.
    Hi Bill, it wasn't me even , some things always seem to get lost in the communications net but it was certainly on my mind .
    As Kerry met Simon on number of occasions personally and I believe that her 'live' perspective is important to the whole picture .

    It's all we have after all, perspectives .





    To some people you're a darling, best friend and saviour . To others you're 'an enemy' and sociopath destroying their cherished systems .
    Only you know who you are . And while we can't make huge sense of each other over those distances ,
    lets not drop on the believe there's goodness and truth in all peoples hearts that is ultimately playing more important role .

    Other than I think that my personal competencies with this topic of Simons are limited .

    There's not much any vulnerable being of my kind can do to confront wrong doings of others on open grounds .


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    Quote Posted by Agape (here)

    It's all we have after all, perspectives.
    No, it's not. Often, yes. But sometimes, things are pretty real down on this level. Look at today's thread about the torture of juveniles in detention in Australia. Or the beheading a couple of days ago of a French Priest. Or, take your pick among all the events of the world, present or past.

    No 'perspectives' there.

    If we squidge round like flabby sponges and refuse to make moral judgments, sitting on the fence and making excuses (as you have done, and so has onawah, and I'll call it right here) — we lose our integrity, our dignity, and our civilization. Maybe our spirituality, too.

    It's called taking a stand. Some of the ETs know this, and so should you.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Agape (here)

    It's all we have after all, perspectives.
    No, it's not. Often, yes. But sometimes, things are pretty real down on this level. Look at today's thread about the torture of juveniles in detention in Australia. Or the beheading a couple of days ago of a French Priest. Or, take your pick among all the events of the world, present or past.
    Yes I agree.



    Quote No 'perspectives' there.

    If we squidge round like flabby sponges and refuse to make moral judgments, sitting on the fence and making excuses (as you have done, and so has onawah, and I'll call it right here) — we lose our integrity, our dignity, and our civilization. Maybe our spirituality, too.

    It's called taking a stand. Some of the ETs know this, and so should you.

    Excuse me but , the only other thing I could have done then would be to keep quiet .

    And allow those who are concerned to step to the fronts and explain how they've been 'astrally raped' and by whom, what kind of entity,
    yes ETs we are

    but what's been described here falls more to the realm of sorcery for me , something I'm not aligned with and not touching with ease because those who fall for these low dimensional magic and spirit dealings often do end up trapped here for lifetimes believing in whatever powers they used and worshiped
    and it's really not unlike any of the other 'stuff' we can keep reading in daily news as you have said yourself.

    With one big caveat though ,

    there's no 'proof' at hand . Many of those commenting on here do not entertain the idea of ET intervention even so no matter how many pages of debate will you cover on how wrong is doing 'that',

    everyone would have to go deep to their own mind and conscience first and last and start fixing themselves within.

    Our belief systems here are eternally complex . I've intervened at points ( as in past ) where I believed there's something that can be elucidated on the ETs nature subject .

    No where I could have possibly advocated peoples sexualisation quotient and experiences that are beyond my taste and imagination.

    And you should also know that it's with great reserve and compassion I'm commenting on this at all.

    Besides being who I'm and through life experiences foreign to many during my years in India , I had to bite through physical attack on road at night in 2001 , thrown rolling from steep slope hundred of feet down to be spared the worst ( in my imagination) by little drunk soldier on holidays who was armed , threatened me and a monk on that road , man who created more problems for the whole community protecting me even later, whole nightmare and no 'mama' to run to.
    Even then , I only prayed to the Bodhisattva of Compassion for forgiveness .

    And I had to keep quiet and am keeping quiet on many other things too, condition unbeknownst to men , men who have the strength to stand up for truth at all times I suppose and shut 'us the weaklings'.

    So forgive me for opening my mouth here .


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    Discernment is a curious thing.

    It seems to be only any good if it's fresh, as looking into a new born pair of eyes. Paradox, Wisdom accumulates and Discernment is best as fresh as it gets.
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