Are sociopaths human?

[Chicodoodoo]

Are sociopaths to be considered “human”?

For me, at this stage in my personal development, this is the core question. We all know something is wrong with the world. Nature tends towards sustainable equilibrium, but humanity apparently does not. We seem to be on the path of destroying not only ourselves, but an entire world. Who is responsible? The short answer is we all are, but some are more responsible than others. Some say it's the Republicans, while others say it's the Democrats. Still others say liberals, conservatives, corporations, bankers, Zionists, Masons, Bilderbergers, and on and on, all the way up to the mysterious group of 33.

The common foundation among all these “more responsible” parties appears to be sociopathy. This was convincingly presented in the recent book "Political Ponerology” by Lobaczewski . Sociopaths in general are deficient in empathy. As a result, they are destructive of equal human rights – the principle of the Golden Rule is lost on them. They literally take every advantage they can with no regard to morality. They have no shame and feel no responsibility for their actions. Yet despite their selfish nature, they band together and cooperate with great efficiency.

Sociopaths can be considered “deviant” humans. They make up only a small percentage of humanity, maybe 1%, but their domination of the positions of control and power in our civilization is without question. They are steering the bus, and they have quite effectively locked out the vast majority that don't like where the bus is going.

Typically, the non-sociopathic majority view sociopaths as criminal. In general, society “removes” criminals. This is not possible when criminals “rule”, writing the laws and controlling the enforcement of those laws. Criminal sociopaths rule over the majority by secrecy and deception (using money as a tool to buy our cooperation), where truth AND lies are used as necessary to maintain control. It is no coincidence that in times like these, the controlled majority become obsessed with separating fact from fiction, while the sociopaths are equally committed to maximum obfuscation.

An argument can be made that there is no “good” or “evil” with respect to sociopaths. They may simply be part of the balance of nature, and humanity is simply suffering from a temporary imbalance of excessive sociopathic control. I would argue that this situation appears to be an inherent flaw, that it keeps happening, and that the final results are typically catastrophic and far-reaching.

Currently, we have an interesting situation where a former “enforcer” of the sociopathic side (“Charles”) has apparently switched sides and is interacting with the non-sociopathic community of Project Avalon. There is much debate as to whether such a thing is plausible, or if it is just another cunning sociopathic ploy of obfuscation. Given this situation, I think my question is pertinent.

What do we do about the problem of sociopaths, or is it not a problem? If it is a problem, is it the root problem?

[giovonni]

Thank you for this post. Yes i have ponder this question often myself over the years...a conditional factor is usually (by western medicine) diagnosed as an individual with neurological abnormalities that cause an inability to maintain a "normal' social intercourse with others. A second factor believed to be partially responsible for the sociopath disorder, is probably due to the primary socialization of individuals within dysfunctional environments, such as abusive, poorly educated, or poverty stricken homes. This condition usually only affects males (3%); the condition is uncommon in women, but (due to the very stressful and harsh conditions that western society has propelled upon them) this appears to be quickly changing. Saying that...and knowing what i learned and have come to believe, it all relates to the very core of what this forum is about. We have (as human-beings) been duped into giving up and allowing ourselves to be controlled and manipulated by a very sinister power source. It is quite possible that those labeled with psychiatric disorders whether born or developed (are/were) quite normal and are only revolting (within their minds) against the so-called (insane) accepted conditions and norms of this current world society? Note, there is so much more here to discuss... but i will yield to fellow members to expand upon this subject matter...while i ponder some more.

[lightblue]

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wonder if mad (dysfunctional) people are mad because they are evil, or are they evil because they are mad.. l

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[grannyfranny100]

Are sociopaths human?

I don't know if they have souls. They are usually bright and can pick up on the behaviors they should exhibit to project the artifice of morals, compassion, empathy, etc. that they do not feel. They can be quite charming to con others and so they are often hard to spot. But nowadays, they do seem to rise to positions of elite power. And some of the rituals attributed to the PTB seem to create more and more of these pathological types.

Tread carefully if you suspect you know any. They are dangerous and definitely not trustworthy. Idealistic attempts to love them do not work to accomplish change nor does psychotherapy even if the therapist is sharp enough to come to the right diagnosis.

Granny Franny

[witchy1]

A question I too have pondered..... I dont have the answer. I simply cannot beleive that they are born that way.

Is this the nature / nuture debate again - perhaps.

Do we then make them through their upbringing? I have read that many have had head injuries.

Sadly I think that yes - they are human. They walk to a different tune.

Redeemable - I dont think so.

Currently, we have an interesting situation where a former “enforcer” of the sociopathic side (“Charles”) has apparently switched sides and is interacting with the non-sociopathic community of Project Avalon

I did not read the original post enough. Is this another bag Charles thread, this time veiled with what appears a reasonable question? If so, I am not best pleased.

Nothing has been proven or disproven. Your point above is personal opinion only and pure conjecture unless you have irrefutable proof and verifiable evidence. Please provide it, many here would like to read it.

[shijo]

Posted by giovonni (here)
Thank you for this post. Yes i have ponder this question often myself over the years...a conditional factor is usually (by western medicine) diagnosed as an individual with neurological abnormalities that cause an inability to maintain a "normal' social intercourse with others. A second factor believed to be partially responsible for the sociopath disorder, is probably due to the primary socialization of individuals within dysfunctional environments, such as abusive, poorly educated, or poverty stricken homes. This condition usually only affects males (3%); the condition is uncommon in women, but (due to the very stressful and harsh conditions that western society has propelled upon them) this appears to be quickly changing. Saying that...and knowing what i learned and have come to believe, it all relates to the very core of what this forum is about. We have (as human-beings) been duped into giving up and allowing ourselves to be controlled and manipulated by a very sinister power source. It is quite possible that those labeled with psychiatric disorders whether born or developed (are/were) quite normal and are only revolting (within their minds) against the so-called (insane) accepted conditions and norms of this current world society? Note, there is so much more here to discuss... but i will yield to fellow members to expand upon this subject matter...while i ponder some more.

Thanks for the post,R.D. Laing echoed your last paragraph way back,im gonna ponder some more too.

[shijo]

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
Are sociopaths to be considered “human”?

For me, at this stage in my personal development, this is the core question. We all know something is wrong with the world. Nature tends towards sustainable equilibrium, but humanity apparently does not. We seem to be on the path of destroying not only ourselves, but an entire world. Who is responsible? The short answer is we all are, but some are more responsible than others. Some say it's the Republicans, while others say it's the Democrats. Still others say liberals, conservatives, corporations, bankers, Zionists, Masons, Bilderbergers, and on and on, all the way up to the mysterious group of 33.

The common foundation among all these “more responsible” parties appears to be sociopathy. This was convincingly presented in the recent book "Political Ponerology” by Lobaczewski . Sociopaths in general are deficient in empathy. As a result, they are destructive of equal human rights – the principle of the Golden Rule is lost on them. They literally take every advantage they can with no regard to morality. They have no shame and feel no responsibility for their actions. Yet despite their selfish nature, they band together and cooperate with great efficiency.

Sociopaths can be considered “deviant” humans. They make up only a small percentage of humanity, maybe 1%, but their domination of the positions of control and power in our civilization is without question. They are steering the bus, and they have quite effectively locked out the vast majority that don't like where the bus is going.

Typically, the non-sociopathic majority view sociopaths as criminal. In general, society “removes” criminals. This is not possible when criminals “rule”, writing the laws and controlling the enforcement of those laws. Criminal sociopaths rule over the majority by secrecy and deception (using money as a tool to buy our cooperation), where truth AND lies are used as necessary to maintain control. It is no coincidence that in times like these, the controlled majority become obsessed with separating fact from fiction, while the sociopaths are equally committed to maximum obfuscation.

An argument can be made that there is no “good” or “evil” with respect to sociopaths. They may simply be part of the balance of nature, and humanity is simply suffering from a temporary imbalance of excessive sociopathic control. I would argue that this situation appears to be an inherent flaw, that it keeps happening, and that the final results are typically catastrophic and far-reaching.

Currently, we have an interesting situation where a former “enforcer” of the sociopathic side (“Charles”) has apparently switched sides and is interacting with the non-sociopathic community of Project Avalon. There is much debate as to whether such a thing is plausible, or if it is just another cunning sociopathic ploy of obfuscation. Given this situation, I think my question is pertinent.

What do we do about the problem of sociopaths, or is it not a problem? If it is a problem, is it the root problem?

thankyou for this,Jung in a remarkable little book called the Undiscovered Self thought that there were up to ten per cent of the population manifesting sociopathic tendencies,i suppose the horrors of the second world war were still uppermost in his mind,so hopefully the figure has reduced.He said basically they have great charisma because somehow they know the gameplan and how to operate within it,pretty good foresight that.As for your other points have to think on them.

[SteveX]

"Sociopath" isn't a one word fits all. Not to say they haven't existed and held dictatorial rolls. In our western so called democracies it's harder for one man to excerpt over all control. To have their way totally. Some of it rests on the machine mankind has created. By machine I’m referring to systems like government, banking, stocks and shares, oil, grain and so on. There is a drive to perform. Humans with their propensity to yield to their self-indulgencies set up systems, which are self-perpetuating. Once these systems, these machines are up and running god help us when a sociopath gets overall control.

I need to scream money grabbing NEO CONS for some reason.

For me it looks like this ...mans desire = self-indulgencies=the machine=mans desire fulfilled. When you ad the sociopath there's the blind eye syndrome because our desires are meeting maximum fruition....i.e screw the third world woman making those shoes because you just earned a mega Yield off so and so shares.

Excuse my poor explanation but one word does not fit all. However, every child is a sociopath until the values of right and wrong are INGRAINED.

[Isostool]

mmmmm. I consider myself to be an empathic sociopath of sorts. I have spent years integrating the two mind sets into a functional form.... damn I have to run to work now. I want to stay home and read the forum all day. I will try to compose some kind of post on it for later.

edit: It can be achieved through darklight reunification at the core so it is all expressed at once in real time - the energetic bodies are NOT seperate.

[str8thinker]

Two possible causes for people being sociopaths without invoking reptilian bloodlines:

1) Nature: Some genetic deficiency in brain development that makes it difficult for them to feel emotions?
2) Nurture: Lack of social integration enabling them to respect others.

Sociopathy may be due to a combination of the two acting together, one reinforcing the effects of the other. Naturally this is a very difficult area to investigate.

The only thing that sociopaths are interested in is their own survival, whereas the rest of us are conditioned to live by the golden rule "do unto others...". It is interesting to speculate which behaviour offers the greatest chance of survival, since this will determine the future psychological makeup of the human race.

[SteveX]

Posted by str8thinker (here)
Two possible causes for people being sociopaths without invoking reptilian bloodlines:

1) Nature: Some genetic deficiency in brain development that makes it difficult for them to feel emotions?
2) Nurture: Lack of social integration enabling them to respect others.

Sociopathy may be due to a combination of the two acting together, one reinforcing the effects of the other. Naturally this is a very difficult area to investigate.

The only thing that sociopaths are interested in is their own survival, whereas the rest of us are conditioned to live by the golden rule "do unto others...". It is interesting to speculate which behaviour offers the greatest chance of survival, since this will determine the future psychological makeup of the human race.

Two good points but I think the majority fall into point 2. As for survival every type will. Its not an us and them or a they and others. Its the whole in the drag net that some of each type will get through.

[Whitehaze]

Yes sociopaths are human. They are a specific type of human being with specific qualities. They are no less human than anyone else, they just live by a different set of rules. There are many causes that can bring this condition about. It can be genetic passed down through generations. It can be envirornment, history of family abuse etc. In some cases it can be physical, possible neurological abnormalities in the frontal lobe of the brain. The latter is something I do know about as I do have abnormalities in the left temporal lobe. And many of the traits of a exhibited in a sociopath are many I displayed when I was younger. I knew I was different, I knew I did things that were wrong as it were. I knew people were hurt by my actions, but it did not matter. What mattered was me and what I was trying to accomplish. Many many years this was the way my life was until a single event altered my view. I thought I was untouchable in a sense, nothing could hurt me, nobody could do anything to dent my personal armor. Then when the event occurred, it was probably the most painful thing physically, emotionally and spiritually that any human could endure. It was at that moment that I saw myself for who and what I was. That was my moment of change and awakening to myself. Did everything just go away? No it did not. Its been well over 20 years since the event and I still recognize certain traits within myself that I constantly correct.

So regarding if it is possible for Charles to have a change of heart and reverse his thinking, absolutely it is. It is a choice that comes from within as it is with anything. You can live on this side of the line or you can live on the other side. When I first saw the interview with Charles, i was almost immediately angry. At first I thought it was because of the content and attitude displayed. After a few days it became clear to me that I was angry at myself, all those traits and qualities were right there in front of me. That is who I was, or similar in attitude and thinking. This is a huge step for someone like Charles, bigger than anyone can imagine. His struggle might be greater than your struggle whether to believe he can have a change of heart or not. Nobody can know the heart of another or what is in it. My personal intuition says to listen to Charles and what he has to say and understand he has personal struggles.

[Flash]

Here are 2 good articles on sociopaths. Following the description, I sometimes think that the 33 were behaving as sociopath, wanting to destroy a good part of the population and emotions or suffering being unimportant, it seems, at first glance. I had suggested in one post to chemspray them with oxytocin, the "love and attachment hormone" just to realise now that it would not be efficient anyhow (see below).

And yes, to me, sociopath have been on the podium in this capitalist profit driven society and they do not understand the harm being inflicted, in fact they do not care. Anytime I think I am around a sociopath, off and away I go! As long as I can! However, I find this topic exceedingly interesting because I am convince that they are more prevalent (in view of their little number) on the top of the social-financial hierarchy as well as in higher management. An go tell someone he is lacking something in his brain or biology - they don't know, they can't feel it.

However, to follow on Chicodoodoo post, as follows

Currently, we have an interesting situation where a former “enforcer” of the sociopathic side (“Charles”) has apparently switched sides and is interacting with the non-sociopathic community of Project Avalon. There is much debate as to whether such a thing is plausible, or if it is just another cunning sociopathic ploy of obfuscation. Given this situation, I think my question is pertinent.

I think that although some previous behaviors of Charles may have been sociopathics, it does not fit the entire profile. Why, he cares for his 2 African brothers, he cares for his master, he wanted to be good. But you, and all of us, will be the judge with time.

Here are part of the content of the articles.

"WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD "sociopath" most people think of serial killers. But although many serial killers are sociopaths, there are far more sociopaths leading ordinary lives. Chances are you know a sociopath. I say "ordinary lives," but what they do is far from ordinary. Sociopaths are people without a conscience. They don't have the normal empathy the rest of us take for granted. They don't feel affection. They don't care about others. But most of them are good observers, and they have learned how to mimic feelings of affection and empathy remarkably well."

"Most people with a conscience find it very difficult to even imagine what it would be like to be without one. Combine this with a sociopath's efforts to blend in, and the result is that most sociopaths go undetected."

But researchers have found that the brains of sociopaths function differently than normal people. And their brains function in a way that makes their emotional life unredeemably shallow. And yet they are capable of mimicking emotions like professional actors. .........

HOW COMMON ARE THEY?

Some researchers say only about one percent of the general population are sociopaths. Others put the figure at three or four percent.

But clearly sociopaths are fairly common and not easy to detect. ..

I like Martha Stout's way of detecting sociopaths: "If ... you find yourself often pitying someone who consistently hurts you or other people, and who actively campaigns for your sympathy, the chances are close to one hundred percent that you are dealing with a sociopath."

WHAT DO THEY WANT?

The answer is chilling: They want to win. Take away love and relationships and all you have left is winning the game, whatever the game is. ... And he (or she) is willing to do anything at all to win.

.....And here I might mention that the research shows sociopaths don't feel emotions the same way normal people do. For example, they don't experience fear as unpleasant.

HOW TO DEAL WITH A SOCIOPATH

There is no known cure or therapy for sociopathy. In fact, some evidence suggests that therapy makes them worse because they use it to learn more about human vulnerabilities they can then exploit. They learn how to manipulate better and they learn better excuses that others will believe. They don't usually seek therapy, unless there is something to gain from it.

Given all that, there is only one solution for dealing with a sociopath: Get him or her completely out of your life for good.

1. They make you feel sorry for them. 2. They make you feel worried or afraid. 3. They give you the impression you owe them. 4. They make you feel used. 5. Sometimes you suspect they don't care about you. 6. They lie to you and deceive you. 7. They take a lot from you and give back very little. 8. They make you feel guilty (and use that to manipulate you). 9. They take advantage of your kindness.
10. They are easily bored and need constant stimulation. 11. They don't take responsibility, but place blame elsewhere.

Update:

I've been reading and writing about oxytocin lately (see the article, Peace, Love, and Oxytocin) and came across an interesting experiment. Paul Zak, one of the primary researchers in the field, found that when you give someone a dose of oxytocin, they tend to become more generous.

"Interestingly," wrote Joyce Gramza, "Zak found that oxytocin had no effect on two percent of the participants and that these students fit the personality profile of sociopaths."

Oxytocin is a naturally-produced hormone that creates feelings of closeness, comfort, relaxation, empathy for others, and trust.

http://www.youmeworks.com/sociopaths.html



and this http://www.findlaci2003.us/sociopath.html

"One of the primary causes of sociopathic behavior is believed to be neurological abnormalities mainly in the frontal lobe of the brain.

This area of the brain is responsible for "self-control, planning, judgment, the balance of individual versus social needs, and many other essential functions underlying effective social intercourse".

This area is also related to fear conditioning. The abnormal anatomy or chemical activity within this area of the brain may be caused by abnormal growth (possibly genetic), brain disease, or injury. This theory has been supported by much research using positron emission tomography (PET) which visually shows the metabolic activity of neurons within the brain.

A second factor believed to be partially responsible for the sociopathic disorder in some cases is the primary socialization of individuals within dysfunctional environments, such as abusive, poorly educated, or poverty stricken homes"

[Sol Va]

Are sociopaths to be considered “human”?
- Depends what you mean by human.


Who is responsible? The short answer is we all are, but some are more responsible than others.
- Some are WAY more at cause of the damage in the world. They are the sociopaths.
The ones who have little or no consciences.

Sociopaths in general are deficient in empathy.
-Yes they are. So are narcissists.
-But the sociopath has NO CONSCIENCE.

the principle of the Golden Rule is lost on them.
- Right. Since they do not feel empathy, then no one else is really REAL to them.
- So there is no one in their world to consider... to consider others
needs or rights. No one to act golden towards, or not.

They have no shame and feel no responsibility for their actions.
Yet despite their selfish nature, they band together and cooperate with great efficiency.
- Some sociopaths cooperate because their sickness feeds each others sense of entitlement, superiority and hatred.
Others do not cooperate because they are total control freaks and can't relinquish any power.

They make up only a small percentage of humanity, maybe 1%,
- This is debatable. Their numbers might be higher.

Their domination of the positions of control and power in our civilization is without question.
-Absolutely.

Typically, the non-sociopathic majority view sociopaths as criminal. In general, society “removes” criminals. This is not possible when criminals “rule”, writing the laws and controlling the enforcement of those laws.
- Many or even perhaps MOST sociopaths never get caught at their crimes, betrayals and the damage they do. They are excellent at hiding. Putting on the nice act.

An argument can be made that there is no “good” or “evil” with respect to sociopaths.
- I don't think it matters whether they are just chemically or brain deficient, or whether
they have choice and are evil. What matters is that their actions are destroying the planet
and if they can be stopped. This would be to our benefit.

They may simply be part of the balance of nature.
- I personally don't think so.

and humanity is simply suffering from a temporary imbalance of excessive sociopathic control.
- the written history that we have access to points to sociopaths having a lot of control for ages.
Now, they have techonogical tools to hide behind so they are arguably more destructive.

I would argue that this situation appears to be an inherent flaw, that it keeps happening, and that the final results are typically catastrophic and far-reaching.
- It could be that there will always be human beings born without consciences. It would behoove all of us to learn to
identify them as children and either help HEAL or Recondition them, or separate them and prevent them from getting
power.

Currently, we have an interesting situation where a former “enforcer” of the sociopathic side (“Charles”) has apparently switched sides and is interacting with the non-sociopathic community of Project Avalon.
- Sociopaths don't change, at least I have never known one to change. They are exceptionally hard to treat in therapy.
I would bet that Charles is either:
Not a sociopath himself but got some satisfaction out of exercising his talents, and now with his days numbered is
considering acting in a more ethical fashion.
or
A sociopath who is using us to get back at the other 33 who maybe didn't treat him all so well. Or some other reason.
(not necessarily to do us harm, sociopaths dont harm everyone in their lives, there are usually specific targets for them)

What do we do about the problem of sociopaths, or is it not a problem? If it is a problem, is it the root problem?
This is the million dollar question. Our lives and the planet depends on the answer.

My answer. Take away their power. Immediately. Protect their victims.

[norman]

Are they human?..... ( is that the 'ruling madmen', you mean?)

Yes they are at least partly human.

BUT,

They are already extinct in the wild, and only survive in sheltered captivity. So, it won't be long before we won't even have to bother ourselves with such a question.

[deSelbyst]

Interesting take.

I have personal experience of sociopathy behaviour and am well aware of the destructive nature of this beast. A world where truth has no value, a world where control has to be assumed but responsibility is to shunned, a world where morals are seen as something to be taken advantage of, a world where others are only a means to an end, a world of utter disconnect.

With out detail a little background might prove interesting. One of these individuals was a product of their upbringing, they were the master of their house from the moment they were born, little empathey show toward and no need for empathey in order to aquire what they wanted. Their behaviour seemed to be more a product of their enviroment and circumstance. The other is alone in their behaviour amoungst their family, none of the siblings or parents seemingly the same. It seems more like an afliction in their case than the conditioned behaviour of above. Nuture/nature, baffeling enough on it's own, now with added alien dimension thrown in for good mesure.............pop. (My brain exploding!)


I'm not drawing any conclusion on how this does or doesn't tie in with sociopath/alien question because I quite frankly don't have a clue. I just thought my experiences might add a little to the discussion.

[Steven]

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
Are sociopaths to be considered “human”?

First, awesome thread! Thanks Chicodoodoo

Second, how about a gene?

The hypothesis: Compassion is genetic, lack of it could make sociopath.

Have a read: http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/arti...nate_instinct/

Namaste, Steven

[Sol Va]

Posted by SteveX (here)
However, every child is a sociopath until the values of right and wrong are INGRAINED.

If one points out the effect of a child's actions, and say, that action is to blow someone's toes off, (take firecrackers as an example), then I wager that most children would not enjoy doing this, (even if they were never told it was wrong).

A sociopathic child would.

I tend to not believe in the lie of original sin, which I think is what the elites have tried to instill in the rest of us, so
that we will never trust ourselves. They want us to doubts human beings in general, and ourselves, so that their hatred and
destructiveness will seem "normal" and they can hide among us easier.

[Sol Va]

Dear Whitehaze,
Thankyou so much for sharing your personal transformation regarding your conscience. I would very much like to know what was the event or realization that spurred you to transform.... at what age did it occur? If you could give all the people in this world without consciences your experience or something strong enough similar, and they all transformed, it would be the MOST important occurence in human society EVER. So please try to figure out exactly what it was that enlighted you, or birthed your new caring self. I applaud you with all my heart.

Posted by Whitehaze (here)
Yes sociopaths are human. They are a specific type of human being with specific qualities. They are no less human than anyone else, they just live by a different set of rules. There are many causes that can bring this condition about. It can be genetic passed down through generations. It can be envirornment, history of family abuse etc. In some cases it can be physical, possible neurological abnormalities in the frontal lobe of the brain. The latter is something I do know about as I do have abnormalities in the left temporal lobe. And many of the traits of a exhibited in a sociopath are many I displayed when I was younger. I knew I was different, I knew I did things that were wrong as it were. I knew people were hurt by my actions, but it did not matter. What mattered was me and what I was trying to accomplish. Many many years this was the way my life was until a single event altered my view. I thought I was untouchable in a sense, nothing could hurt me, nobody could do anything to dent my personal armor. Then when the event occurred, it was probably the most painful thing physically, emotionally and spiritually that any human could endure. It was at that moment that I saw myself for who and what I was. That was my moment of change and awakening to myself. Did everything just go away? No it did not. Its been well over 20 years since the event and I still recognize certain traits within myself that I constantly correct.

So regarding if it is possible for Charles to have a change of heart and reverse his thinking, absolutely it is. It is a choice that comes from within as it is with anything. You can live on this side of the line or you can live on the other side. When I first saw the interview with Charles, i was almost immediately angry. At first I thought it was because of the content and attitude displayed. After a few days it became clear to me that I was angry at myself, all those traits and qualities were right there in front of me. That is who I was, or similar in attitude and thinking. This is a huge step for someone like Charles, bigger than anyone can imagine. His struggle might be greater than your struggle whether to believe he can have a change of heart or not. Nobody can know the heart of another or what is in it. My personal intuition says to listen to Charles and what he has to say and understand he has personal struggles.

[Carmody]

Posted by Sol Va (here)
If one points out the effect of a child's actions, and say, that action is to blow someone's toes off, (take firecrackers as an example), then I wager that most children would not enjoy doing this, (even if they were never told it was wrong).

A sociopathic child would.

I tend to not believe in the lie of original sin, which I think is what the elites have tried to instill in the rest of us, so
that we will never trust ourselves. They want us to doubts human beings in general, and ourselves, so that their hatred and
destructiveness will seem "normal" and they can hide among us easier.

One thing is interesting, is that when some kids are growing up, they experiment with their new found emotional largess (permissions to be their own person). And they commit small acts, themselves or in their social circle, as they explore the limits of what is acceptable in them (to themselves) and that which surrounds them.

This is quite the critical time in a child's life. preteen to early teen range is pretty common for this behavioral exploration.