Anyone like John Dee?

[Valerie Villars]

I did read it (Herve's post) and I thought it was the best article on that I have ever read.

Foxie, I just love you. That comment about crawling out of the morass of the Pedo Empire and us being creators is spot on and you always make me giggle in a good way.

We need to think about a future with no mind control and torture, too.

[Tintin]

Posted by ichingcarpenter (here)
John Dee: Scholar Courtier Magician - Video tour and interview by Gordon White of Rune Soup

''I was lucky enough to be shown around the Royal College of Physicians' John Dee exhibit in mid-January 2016.''

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zu2D4vpTkv8

https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/news/mys...jects-john-dee

This is wonderful, and the curator - Katie Birkwood - so genuinely very enthusiastic. Infectiously so.

I've been to the RCP a few times - once for a very interesting conference with the First Nations representatives from the Yukon and our academic team some 8 years or so ago (but that's a topic for a different thread potentially).

I never knew that this exhibition was there!

Thanks so much for sharing. I'll have to make a real mission to go back there specifically to see these artefacts, and books.

[Valerie Villars]

The thing that struck me about Dee was that he seemed to be so sincerely searching. I don't know if he was mislead or not, but at least he was trying.

[norman]

I watched this documentary of Dee. Based on this, my view of his determination to "know" something is that his story is a classic case of a cerebral quest folly. I've long help a view that the mind for mind's sake is a faulty facsimile of what real knowledge is about. This documentary rams that point home for me even harder than before.


I agree with all those "superstitious" simpletons in the early part of the story that said it was 'black' (not for any religious reason). For me, that cerebral determination IS the dark side. It's not what the mind is there for, imo.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WSnIHLVa2Qw

[Valerie Villars]

Yes Norman, I agree with your remarks. That's what always gives me pause when I read about those who are trying to mind muscle their way in to answers. The real answers lie within the heart.

However, that whole time period interests me greatly and I have read extensively about it. The thing that I DO like about Dee is that he loved and understood the value of books. In that sense, he was a man after my own heart.

I do think he had a fair amount of heart invested in his lifelong studies, obviously. When you read a biography of his life, he certainly did not profit financially from any of the work he did and was treated like an outcast in many respects.

Tintin, he certainly is fascinating. I'd love to see that exhibit. It would be a highlight of my life. I am a margin scribbler and doodler myself.

[Foxie Loxie]

Norman, your remarks made me think, "Ivory Tower Scholars"!

Neils Bohr said to his son, "You're not THINKING, you're being logical!" It is such a shame we have not been taught who we are as Complete Beings....spiritual first! (Read that here on Avalon somewhere yesterday.)

As Ba-ba-Ra stated, we are driving the "car"....we are NOT the car!!

[Tintin]

Posted by Valerie Villars (here)

Tintin, he certainly is fascinating. I'd love to see that exhibit. It would be a highlight of my life. I am a margin scribbler and doodler myself.

back, Valerie.

I may only be half joking when I suggest the time I do make to go and see it - whenever that may be - you should come along for the ride too! And it may be sooner rather than later, however we are measuring that time

How simply splendid that you're doodler - I've done similar things in the past, and occasionally still do

[Valerie Villars]

Well, that would be quite a ride Tintin. I'm in south Louisiana. Maybe some angels will swing by and give me a ride there. Lord knows I've experienced stranger things than that.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks for posting the John Dee special, Norman....it helps to understand the bigger picture of his life. Another lesson showing we should not "follow" anyone...not even an "angel"!

[Valerie Villars]

The angels I met were certainly not all they are cracked up to be. I'd rather be human unless I meet an angel that changes my mind.

[Caliban]

Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
The angels I met were certainly not all they are cracked up to be. I'd rather be human unless I meet an angel that changes my mind.

See, why don't you write a song with that, Valerie?

The angels I met
were certainly not all they
were cracked up to be
If I met ol' John Dee
Yeah, I'd probably up and flee

Those angels I met weren't
exactly horrible
but they weren't too kind
I'd rather be a human
unless I meet an angel who changes my mind

Yeah, I'd rather stick to bein' human
'less some sweet angel I can find

(and so on...)

So many song possbilities lost into the Avalon vapors........

[Valerie Villars]

Thanks Caliban. I've been writing my whole life. Many journals, poems, musings, etc. It's all on paper, except for this digital stuff, which I'm really not a fan of because unless it's on paper or something more permanent, it will be lost in time. I'm just not musically trained. I wish I was.

I do have a song (actually quite a few I wrote) about Bienville and so many other things. I can write lyrics rather easily.

[Caliban]

Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
Thanks Caliban. I've been writing my whole life. Many journals, poems, musings, etc. It's all on paper, except for this digital stuff, which I'm really not a fan of because unless it's on paper or something more permanent, it will be lost in time. I'm just not musically trained. I wish I was.

I don't buy that musically trained thing. We're all "musically trained." Like Kantner said, "Go ride the music..." Music is for all of us to sing, not just the singers, if you know what I mean. (Sounds like another song

[Valerie Villars]

I think it's called "The Mists of Avalon". It's written in the aether, (sp.); it never goes away. Our human minds just want to grasp it but maybe we shouldn't.

[Caliban]

Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
I think it's called "The Mists of Avalon". It's written in the aether, (sp.); it never goes away. Our human minds just want to grasp it but maybe we shouldn't.

Ha Ha that's another song beginning there... I'm hearing everything in song lyrics these days... Music is everything, especially when it's nothing, when we forget it, it remembers us, calls us silently back

(that's really where you find the angels)

[Valerie Villars]

Posted by Caliban (here)

Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
I think it's called "The Mists of Avalon". It's written in the aether, (sp.); it never goes away. Our human minds just want to grasp it but maybe we shouldn't.

Ha Ha that's another song beginning there... I'm hearing everything in song lyrics these days... Music is everything, especially when it's nothing, when we forget it, it remembers us, calls us silently back

(that's really where you find the angels)

I know Caliban. I'm sort of impressed and kind of not. They are modern day troubadours; poets. The harbingers are as flawed as we are.

[Foxie Loxie]

After hearing the end of John Dee's story concerning the "angel"....don't think I want to meet any!!

[Valerie Villars]

I know this is dumb, but I really wanted my angels to have wings. I can't even have normal angels. Mine were all musicians or homeless. Why can't my angels have wings and other pretty things?

Caliban, I just meant I can't play any instruments, but I can write songs/lyrics.

[Caliban]

Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
I know this is dumb, but I really wanted my angels to have wings. I can't even have normal angels. Mine were all musicians or homeless. Why can't my angels have wings and other pretty things?

Caliban, I just meant I can't play any instruments, but I can write songs/lyrics.

You can sing and the voice is the first and primal instrument. Everything comes after that, the human voice.

Your angels prob'ly didn't want to freak you out, so they pretended to be street people or guitar players. The angel is inside you. That white hot glow of passion. The cool violet tinge of release and letting everything go. The angel is in the mirror. The angel is in your voice.

[Valerie Villars]

Thanks Caliban. That bought tears to my eyes. That is really beautiful. But if they just had said they were angels, it would have been easier.

I sing all the time.