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    A good friend of mine works at a YMCA in Connecticut and the feds just came in and took their most recent package shipment that had PPE inside. No questions, just taken without a word.

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    ABC7 Breaking news.
    Dr. Carrillo says Chloroquine + Zinc is a Covid-19 Cure.



    The YouTube text:
    ABC 7 news interview with Doctor Anthony Cardillo where he reveals since stage 1 testing, this second stage testing with CHLOROQUINE AND ZINC with very sick patients clears up the virus in as little as 8 hours! This news should be on every TV world wide setting other doctors up to do the same tests TO VERIFY REALITY IT WORKS.

    There is another magical positive response if the antibiotic AZITHROMYCIN is included. This and the awareness by the public how important it is preparing oneself with continual daily VITAMIN C is the way forward instead of waiting for very risky vaccines that will already be out of date next year as the virus mutates.
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    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    From https://news.trust.org/item/20200406112112-6jive

    I wrote to the mods privately, on 14 March: "We're going to see a desperate tragedy in Venezuela."

    ~~~

    Venezuela elderly feel 'sentenced to euthanasia' under coronavirus quarantine

    6 April, 2020

    Venezuelan retirees Carlos Blanco, 81, and Olga Rodriguez, 78, have for more than a year been unable to purchase the diabetes medication they need, as the country's hyperinflation has left their monthly pensions insufficient to buy even a loaf of bread.

    Already at high risk in the coronavirus pandemic because of their age, the couple's untreated Type 2 diabetes leaves them at greater risk of any type of infection, as well as complications including blurred vision or diabetic comas.

    They are now confined to their home, living off the food they have in storage, after President Nicolas Maduro declared a quarantine.

    Blanco says he feels like they've been left to die.

    "Senior citizens have been sentenced to euthanasia," said Blanco, who lives on the fourth floor of a building in the Coche neighborhood of western Caracas.

    The coronavirus outbreak has sparked concern around the world for the elderly, who are much more vulnerable to the COVID-19 respiratory disease caused by the virus. But the plight of senior citizens was already acute in Venezuela following six years of brutal economic crisis and chronic problems with power and water services.

    Blanco and Rodriguez, like 3 million other Venezuelan retirees, struggle to live on state pensions of 250,000 bolivars a month - the equivalent of about $3 - which can at best buy a few pounds of chicken or several kilos of corn flour.

    In a survey published in November by non-profit groups Convite and HelpAge, 77% of Venezuelans over 55 said they did not have access to enough food and one in ten said they go to bed hungry.

    The elderly "have faced a progressive decline in their living conditions: malnutrition, inability to pay for their medicine, lack of access to health, migration of their children and relatives," said Luis Cabezas, director of Convite, which focuses on human rights.

    The group estimates that at least 900,000 senior citizens are living by themselves following a migration exodus of nearly 5 million Venezuelans who have fled the economic crisis since 2015.

    The information ministry did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

    Venezuela as of Sunday had officially reported 159 cases of coronavirus and seven deaths.

    Blanco said that he and Rodriguez for breakfast have black coffee and an arepa - Venezuela's typical grilled corn pancake - and then a bowl of rice and lentils in the late afternoon.

    They receive financial help from one of their five children, but it is not enough for them to eat three times a day.

    Others are facing even worse circumstances.

    Andrea Guerrero, 80, lives alone in a small room that she rents for 50,000 bolivars per month, the equivalent of $0.06, in the La Cruz neighborhood of in Chacao, a district of Caracas.

    She used to make ends meet by washing dishes in restaurants. But now with the restaurants closed, she depends on help from neighbors and donations of food by the Chacao municipal government.

    "So, are we all going to die?," she asked.

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    Rosemarie, who lives in Guayaquil (on the coast in Ecuador, where there have been many cases, deaths, and even bodies left out in the streets), sent this to me and asked me to post it. It was sent to her by a friend.

    http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus...l_cemetery.mp4


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    Not sure if this is the right thread for this, if not, feel free to move wherever it fits better.

    Here's a little story that shows there are a lot of good people around, more than some of us may imagine:


    https://twitter.com/boredpanda/statu...48053434249217

    If you click on that tweet you get to see all the pictures showing the "Outdoor Pantry" grow.

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    So my post above hasn't been removed yet. Okay then, here's another one showing how many good people there are.

    https://twitter.com/boredpanda/statu...60769975418882


    Same as above, when you click on the actual tweet you can scroll down and see 35 heart-warming and touching examples of caring people.

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    Quote Posted by gini (here)
    Tucker Carlson 9 april ,a 7 minute summary of the latest numbers in the states,and more hopefull looking prognoses in contrast with non stop doom scenarios of all the mainstream outlets.



    I'm not sure if this is the correct thread for the following observation, but in response to 7:30 mark of the video posted herein:

    “…They are launching partisan political attacks and pretending it’s medical advice. That’s always wrong. But right now, in the middle of a crisis, that’s reckless and immoral… (emphasis my own)

    I couldn’t agree more.

    Inflating deaths due to COVID-19 and suppressing (in some cases banning) the hydroxychloroquine/zinc regiment is nothing short of a treasonous psychological operation. We are witnessing an act of terror against the people in real time, and those who have perpetrated and/or who are perpetuating these crimes against humanity deserve to face justice before a firing squad.

    It is one thing to go after one's political enemies with lies and smears--that's just everyday politics. But it gets personal when the strategy to destroy one's political enemies also wages collateral damage against the population entire, leaving death and destruction in its wake, bankrupting millions of people, and destroying countless lives. That's just treasonous. It appears a large percentage of our leaders and the technocrats controlling them are waging just such a scorched-earth strategy to regain political power of the executive branch.

    How can we expect to resolve or manage a genuine crisis with viable solutions if opportunists distort the truth or exacerbate the crisis to serve their political interests? It would seem much of this crisis has been created, as if by arsonists who feed flame with fuel. It's infuriating. Can one really blame those who throw up their hands and proclaim this is all a hoax? Much of it is. Yet that judgement could be a death sentence should it persuade some to underestimate the crisis, whatever that crisis may be.

    If the adage is true that the victors of war write its history, we may never know....
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    From https://news.trust.org/item/20200406112112-6jive

    I wrote to the mods privately, on 14 March: "We're going to see a desperate tragedy in Venezuela."

    I agree that most likely we will see a desperate tragedy in Venezuela, not because of Covid-19 viral infections, but
    rather because of the government "solutions" that are being put in place.

    Here is a fresh graph showing how many Covid-19 cases and deaths have occurred in Venezuela to date as well as the trend that can be seen.

    Series 2 = Cases
    Series 1 = Deaths

    [IMG][/IMG]


    Venezuela Population = 29 Million
    Cases = 167
    Deaths = 8

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    Rosemarie, who lives in Guayaquil (on the coast in Ecuador, where there have been many cases, deaths, and even bodies left out in the streets), sent this to me and asked me to post it. It was sent to her by a friend.

    http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus...l_cemetery.mp4

    This is just tragic to see and suggests the death rate is highly abnormal. I wonder if doctors/ hospitals are using hydroxychloroquine/ zinc to treat COVID-19 in Guayaquil?

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    I think this is a balanced source really trying to get a handle on the complexities here.


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Rosemarie, who lives in Guayaquil (on the coast in Ecuador, where there have been many cases, deaths, and even bodies left out in the streets), sent this to me and asked me to post it. It was sent to her by a friend.

    http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus...l_cemetery.mp4

    This is just tragic to see and suggests the death rate is highly abnormal. I wonder if doctors/ hospitals are using hydroxychloroquine/ zinc to treat COVID-19 in Guayaquil?
    Rosemarie said yes, they're using hydroxychloroquine (and also azithromycin).

    She sent a second video. In this one, you can see the body bags.

    http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus...ementery_2.mp4


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    Quote Posted by DaveToo (here)
    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    In the race to the bottom, locally, we are around 3,500 cases, 370 hospitalized. Sweden is around 8,500 and about 680 in serious condition.

    These charts will soon be less informative as greater numbers recover and leave the hospital. I would think they should make two charts, totals v. current.

    So far I don't see much difference in the infection rate, other than our outbreak was about two weeks later than theirs.

    Looks like it is bad in aircraft carriers, prisons, and nursing homes. Concentration in close quarters is obviously bad, but, "staying at home" does not seem to be a big improvement over normal distance and cleansing so far.
    Where are you shaberon?
    I ask because your member flag shows the U.S.
    Or by 'locally' did you mean just in your town or city?
    I took it to mean your country.

    I am talking about North Carolina; here and Sweden are a little over 10 million population. We both seem to be getting 1,000 more in only a few days.

    But what is really impressive is New York. Certainly there are places in Korea, Japan, etc., that are densely populated, but nothing seems to compare. I suppose what it comes down to is "serious cases", aside from whatever the disease really is, there seem to be widely varying degrees of severity in terms of how many need hospitalization.

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    This is the first I have heard from Bruce Lipton. Very curious about what he will say.


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    In Chris Martenson's video of last night US time, here...


    ...he cites a 7 April Los Angeles Times article stating that US Federal authorities have been seizing equipment from local areas with no explanation, and the equipment has completely disappeared.

    Chris Martenson observes:



    Here's the article. It may be very important. As Chris Martenson states, it's weird (at least!), and may be an indicator of something very unpleasant and even criminal going on. A PDF is archived here.

    If this disappears, or there's no follow-up, it means the LA times reporters are being silenced.
    Hospitals say feds are seizing masks and other coronavirus supplies without a word

    7 April, 2020

    Although President Trump has directed states and hospitals to secure what supplies they can, the federal government is quietly seizing orders, leaving medical providers across the country in the dark about where the material is going and how they can get what they need to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.

    Hospital and clinic officials in seven states described the seizures in interviews over the past week. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is not publicly reporting the acquisitions, despite the outlay of millions of dollars of taxpayer money, nor has the administration detailed how it decides which supplies to seize and where to reroute them.

    Officials who’ve had materials seized also say they’ve received no guidance from the government about how or if they will get access to the supplies they ordered. That has stoked concerns about how public funds are being spent and whether the Trump administration is fairly distributing scarce medical supplies.

    “In order to have confidence in the distribution system, to know that it is being done in an equitable manner, you have to have transparency,” said Dr. John Hick, an emergency physician at Hennepin Healthcare in Minnesota who has helped develop national emergency preparedness standards through the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.

    The medical leaders on the front lines of the fight to control the coronavirus and keep patients alive say they are grasping for explanations. “We can’t get any answers,” said a California hospital official who asked not to be identified for fear of retaliation from the White House.

    In Florida, a large medical system saw an order for thermometers taken away. And officials at a system in Massachusetts were unable to determine where its order of masks went.

    “Are they stockpiling this stuff? Are they distributing it? We don’t know,” one official said. “And are we going to ever get any of it back if we need supplies? It would be nice to know these things.”

    PeaceHealth, a 10-hospital system in Washington, Oregon and Alaska, had a shipment of testing supplies seized recently. “It’s incredibly frustrating,” said Richard DeCarlo, the system’s chief operating officer.

    “We had put wheels in motion with testing and protective equipment to allow us to secure and protect our staff and our patients,” he said. “When testing went off the table, we had to come up with a whole new plan.”

    Although PeaceHealth doesn’t have hospitals in the Seattle area, where the first domestic coronavirus outbreak occurred, the system has had a steady stream of potentially infected patients who require testing and care by doctors and nurse in full protective equipment.

    Trump and other White House officials, including his close advisor and son-in-law Jared Kushner, have insisted that the federal government is using a data-driven approach to procure supplies and direct them where they are most needed.

    In response to questions from The Times, a FEMA representative said the agency, working with the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense, has developed a system for identifying needed supplies from vendors and distributing them equitably.

    The representative said the agency factors in the populations of states and major metropolitan areas and the severity of the coronavirus outbreak in various locales. “High-transmission areas were prioritized, and allocations were based on population, not on quantities requested,” the representative said.

    But the agency has refused to provide any details about how these determinations are made or why it is choosing to seize some supply orders and not others. Administration officials also will not say what supplies are going to what states.

    Using the Defense Production Act, a Korean War-era law that allows the president to compel the production of vital equipment in a national emergency, Trump last month ordered General Motors to produce ventilators to address shortfalls at hospitals.

    The law also empowers federal agencies to place orders for critical materials and to see that those get priority over orders from private companies or state and local governments.

    Experts say judicious use of this authority could help bring order to the medical supply market by routing critical material — ventilators, masks and other protective gear — from suppliers to the federal government and then to areas of greatest need, such as New York.

    Yet there is little indication that federal officials are controlling the market, as hospitals, doctors and others report paying exorbitant prices or resorting to unorthodox maneuvers to get what they need.

    Hospital and health officials describe an opaque process in which federal officials sweep in without warning to expropriate supplies.

    Jose Camacho, who heads the Texas Assn. of Community Health Centers, said his group was trying to purchase a small order of just 20,000 masks when his supplier reported that the order had been taken.

    Camacho was flabbergasted. Several of his member clinics — which as primary care centers are supposed to alleviate pressure on overburdened hospitals — are struggling to stay open amid woeful shortages of protective equipment.

    “Everyone says you are supposed to be on your own,” Camacho said, noting Trump’s repeated admonition that states and local health systems cannot rely on Washington for supplies. “Then to have this happen, you just sit there wondering what else you can do. You can’t fight the federal government.”
    THIRD POSSIBILITY

    If the "data driven approach" is a cover story then why? And importantly, why some areas and not others?

    What do the Feds know that the public doesn't and are they using the cover story to prevent another panic/fear response?

    Could they have intel about "imported", or not, products being contaminated - deliberately - with Covid or something else?

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Rosemarie, who lives in Guayaquil (on the coast in Ecuador, where there have been many cases, deaths, and even bodies left out in the streets), sent this to me and asked me to post it. It was sent to her by a friend.

    http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus...l_cemetery.mp4

    This is just tragic to see and suggests the death rate is highly abnormal. I wonder if doctors/ hospitals are using hydroxychloroquine/ zinc to treat COVID-19 in Guayaquil?
    Rosemarie said yes, they're using hydroxychloroquine (and also azithromycin).

    She sent a second video. In this one, you can see the body bags.

    http://avalonlibrary.net/Coronavirus...ementery_2.mp4

    Strange. Where are the workers? Is it lunch break?

    Are they not concerned that dogs or birds could rummage through and take parts of cadavers to other areas?

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    One in four Britons 'think the coronavirus was probably created in a lab
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    https://uk.yahoo.com/style/coronavir...170047261.html

    One in four Britons think the coronavirus was “probably created in a lab”, research suggests.

    Scientists from King’s College London asked more than 2,000 people what they believed to be true about the somewhat mysterious strain.

    A quarter (25%) of those surveyed thought the coronavirus is probably man-made, a conspiracy theory circulating the internet.

    Early research suggests the infection is mild in four out of five cases, however, it can trigger a respiratory disease called COVID-19.

    Coronavirus: ‘Many believe false claims’ about where it came from

    The King’s scientists surveyed 2,250 people aged between 18 and 75.

    Of the participants who thought the coronavirus was “probably created in a lab”, 12% admitted to meeting up with friends during the UK’s lockdown.

    This is more than double the 5% of participants who socialised with loved ones, but were convinced of the strain’s natural origin.


    Boris Johnson has enforced draconian measures that only allow Britons to leave their home for “very limited purposes”, like exercising or shopping for essentials.

    The prime minister, who is in intensive care with coronavirus complications, has repeatedly stressed people are not to socialise with those outside of their home.

    Nearly a quarter (24%) of the King’s participants who believed the coronavirus was probably manufactured thought too much of a fuss is being made about the pandemic.

    This is compared to one in 10 (10%) of those who believed the strain is natural.

    Emerging at the end of last year, only the relatively small number of people worldwide who have encountered the virus are thought to have immunity against it.

    The race is on to develop a vaccine that will enable herd immunity, allowing the public to safely go back to their normal routine.

    The survey participants who thought a jab will be available within three months were nearly four times as likely to have met up with friends during the lockdown than those of the opinion a vaccine will take longer.

    Numerous pharmaceutical companies around the world are working to develop a jab, however, scientists have been upfront one will not be ready for this outbreak.

    A vaccine may become available, however, if the infection turns out to be seasonal.

    “People have generally got the message about how serious the threat from the virus is and the importance of the measures being required of them,” said study author Professor Bobby Duffy.

    “But at a time when the government is warning it may bring in more severe restrictions if enough people don’t follow the rules, this research shows there is a significant minority who are unclear on what some of them are, as well as many who still misjudge the scale of the threat from coronavirus or believe false claims about it.

    “And this matters – how we see current realities and the future is often related to how we strictly we follow the guidelines and our attitudes to the lockdown measures”.

    Coronavirus: Evidence it is not man-made

    The coronavirus is thought to have emerged at a seafood and live animal market in the Chinese city Wuhan, capital of Hubei province, at the end of 2019.

    The market is said to have sold a range of dead and alive animals, including bats, donkeys, poultry and hedgehogs.

    Most of those who initially became unwell at the start of the outbreak worked at, or visited, the Wuhan market.

    This has led scientists to believe the new coronavirus “jumped” from an animal into a human while the two were in close contact.

    The coronavirus is one of seven strains of a class of viruses that are known to infect humans.

    Another strain is severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars), which killed 774 people during its 2002/3 outbreak.

    Sars is thought to have started in bats and jumped into humans via masked palm civets.

    Research suggests the new coronavirus shares more than 96% of its DNA with a strain detected in horseshoe bats and may have reached humans via pangolins.

    Despite the evidence, conspiracy theories have arisen suggesting the strain could have been engineered.

    To debunk this, scientists from Scripps Research in San Diego analysed the DNA of the virus and others like it.

    They specifically looked at proteins on the surface of the viruses that allow them to enter human cells.

    Results suggested the coronavirus evolved to target a receptor on human cells called ACE2.

    This targeting is so effective, the scientists concluded it was the result of natural selection and not genetic engineering.

    The coronavirus’ genetic “backbone” is also distinct from other pathogens. The scientists argued if one were to manufacture a disease, they would work off a backbone that is known to cause ill health.

    “By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that [the new strain] originated through natural processes,” said study author Dr Kristian Andersen.

    What is the coronavirus?

    Since the coronavirus outbreak was identified, more than 1.5 million cases have been confirmed worldwide, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    Of these cases, over 339,700 are known to have “recovered”.

    Globally, the death toll has exceeded 89,900.

    The coronavirus mainly spreads face-to-face via infected droplets expelled in a cough and sneeze.

    There is also evidence it may be transmitted in faeces and can survive on surfaces.

    Although most cases are mild, pneumonia can come about if the coronavirus spreads to the air sacs in the lungs.

    This causes them to become inflamed and filled with fluid or pus.

    The lungs then struggle to draw in air, resulting in reduced oxygen in the bloodstream and a build-up of carbon dioxide.

    The coronavirus has no “set” treatment, with most patients naturally fighting off the infection.

    Those requiring hospitalisation are given “supportive care”, like ventilation, while their immune system gets to work.

    Officials urge people ward off the coronavirus by washing their hands regularly and maintaining social distancing.
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    Why may the coronavirus become a seasonal infection?

    On Saturday, Boris Johnson told the UK’s 1.5 million vulnerable residents – including severe asthmatics and blood-cancer patients – to self-isolate entirely for the next three months.

    Even healthy Britons have been told to avoid social contact, ditch non-essential travel and work from home, if they can.

    Although the vast majority of deaths worldwide are occurring among the elderly and already ill, breaking the “chain of transmission” is hoped to reduce fatalities and ease pressure on a strained NHS.

    The government’s approach was largely based on a model put together by Imperial College London scientists.

    The team concluded “suppressing” the outbreak, “reducing case numbers to low levels and maintaining that situation indefinitely”, would likely be more effective than “mitigating” it.

    Mitigation focuses on “slowing but not necessarily stopping epidemic spread” by protecting the vulnerable.

    While reducing virus exposure will inevitably cause case numbers and deaths to decline, some have argued it fails to allow the public to build up herd immunity.

    The outbreak may therefore return as powerful as ever once these extreme measures are lifted or if the infection becomes seasonal.

    There seems to be a valid scientific point of view in these two posts.
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    Jeez.... I never knew this was happening.

    From https://theguardian.com/world/live/2...082dfd549d3e39

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    As the US grapples with 16.8 million job losses in the last three weeks – representing roughly one in 10 working Americans – the below image shows people waiting in their cars on Thursday for the San Antonio Food Bank in Texas.


    People wait in their cars Thursday, April 9, 2020, at Traders Village for the San Antonio Food Bank to begin food distribution. The need for emergency food aid has exploded in recent weeks due to the coronavirus epidemic. Photograph: William Luther/AP

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Jeez.... I never knew this was happening.

    From https://theguardian.com/world/live/2...082dfd549d3e39

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    As the US grapples with 16.8 million job losses in the last three weeks – representing roughly one in 10 working Americans – the below image shows people waiting in their cars on Thursday for the San Antonio Food Bank in Texas.


    People wait in their cars Thursday, April 9, 2020, at Traders Village for the San Antonio Food Bank to begin food distribution. The need for emergency food aid has exploded in recent weeks due to the coronavirus epidemic. Photograph: William Luther/AP
    I'm going to say it and own it.

    I don't believe the Guardian. Look at that picture carefully. Those cars are far too neatly packed close together to be a random cue.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Jeez.... I never knew this was happening.

    From https://theguardian.com/world/live/2...082dfd549d3e39

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    As the US grapples with 16.8 million job losses in the last three weeks – representing roughly one in 10 working Americans – the below image shows people waiting in their cars on Thursday for the San Antonio Food Bank in Texas.


    People wait in their cars Thursday, April 9, 2020, at Traders Village for the San Antonio Food Bank to begin food distribution. The need for emergency food aid has exploded in recent weeks due to the coronavirus epidemic. Photograph: William Luther/AP
    Most of the job losses will be permanent Bill, which is why I keep banging on about the long term consequences of shutdown.
    People do not have a financial safety net -- no disposable income -- the wages totally committed to mortgage, credit card repayment, etc. One moment a reasonable income -- next none.
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