What are YOU willing to risk for freedom? The window is closing on our time to act!

[GoodETxSG]

I started this Thread after seeing the Thread "US always to blame" https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lways-to-blame

I was deciding how to respond on exactly WHO IS to blame. Yes these groups did do the evil deeds and subverted our Civilization. It is easy to point out the "Elitist's", "Illuminati/NWO", Banksters and completely corrupt 3 branches of Gov..

I think we need to turn the light inward to ourselves. How would any of this still be going on if WE had taken on the Federal Government, Obama EO's and these groups OURSELVES? We assume that us that follow the Alternative News are the Minority. I think this is not necessarily the case as Hillary Clinton admitted on a youtube video "We are losing the information war". As we see with India suing the Nielsen Ratings Corp for "Rigging Data" other polls about where people get their news I believe is rigged in "Their" favor as well. And now with this first step with the Executive Order for CISPA we are on the road to quickly lose the right we are exercising right now.

We complain in our forums and post the news links and the hard work of others who are brave enough to get out there and DO SOMETHING to make a difference. We are each responsible for what we collectively allow to happen in the world and it is time we realize this as a great potential. WE are wasting this wonderful potential as a species and I am sure it has not gone unnoticed in the cosmos. It is time to STOP waiting for an EVENT to happen and MAKE the EVENT HAPPEN! Do not wait for Aliens to come down and save us... I think they want us to save our selves. It is crunch time on weather WE will succeed or fail as a civilization AGAIN and as a species once and for all.

We have the numbers (The touted 99%) and those of us awake have the potential to awaken others who will contribute to ending the secrecy and slavery of this current civilization. I understand the Fear and most of all Confusion right now. There is an all out Psy Op War going on and you are the target. The "Fear Porn" and "DisInfo" is the most active I have ever witnessed.

We see the Occupy Movement people pepper sprayed, beaten and arrested. We see articles that the Government is preparing for an armed conflict with "Citizens". They have enacted the NDAA, DOJ memo on Killing American Citizens, Gun Ban... the list goes on and on. We also hear that the Banksters want us to riot so they can declare Martial Law. So, how do we get off of the side lines? We need to organize quickly before the Internet is shut down and getting the resources to first barrage the legal system and media with legal cases and peaceful protests and non compliance actions that WILL get many of us arrested. It is better than a violent conflict as they want. I am open to ideas.

What are YOU willing to do and contribute? What are YOU willing to risk for freedom? What ideas do YOU have to contribute to THIS conversation?

Your digital footprint is everywhere and like it or not you are already on a "List" and eventually they will work their way to you anyway. Like I stated in another thread, we are already IN THE GAME, it is time to start learning the rules of engagement and... engage. We all have our talents and skills to contribute to form a NGO and organize the legal and other appropriate responses in a matter of months.

I await your response, with the wonderful minds here on Avalon I expect I will NOT be disappointed.

[humanalien]

This isn't an idea that you may have been expecting
but i'd like to address the internet problem, if you
don't mind.

As i read your post and it got to the part about shutting
down the internet, a thought passed through my head.

What is to stop anyone from buying a very up to date
computer system, along with an up to date server module
and create their own internet network.

Once that is done, you could pass that I.P or computer
name on to others, so that they could connect to your
server.

Instead of connecting to a central server, you could connect
several computers in a chain. If many people did the same thing
and got their own server, we could have many different locations
in which to connect to, should one server go down.

By doing this, even if the internet did go down, people could
still communicate, without internet service..

I'm sorry if this is off topic slightly, but i felt this idea needed
to be put out there...

I do agree that we need to become doers and stop sitting on our
butts, posting on stuff we don't like, all day long. This is getting
us nowhere except to keep us informed on current information
but what good does that do, if we are just going to sit back and
let it happen?

Starting riots is definitely the wrong path to take but if push
comes to shove and people don't have a plan of any kind, you
can be assured that a riot will come to pass.

Maybe now, would be a good time for the creative juices to
start flowing, to figure out what we can do to fix the problems
that we face today.

[Conchis]

Posted by humanalien (here)
This isn't an idea that you may have been expecting
but i'd like to address the internet problem, if you
don't mind.

As i read your post and it got to the part about shutting
down the internet, a thought passed through my head.

What is to stop anyone from buying a very up to date
computer system, along with an up to date server module
and create their own internet network.

Once that is done, you could pass that I.P or computer
name on to others, so that they could connect to your
server.

Instead of connecting to a central server, you could connect
several computers in a chain. If many people did the same thing
and got their own server, we could have many different locations
in which to connect to, should one server go down.

By doing this, even if the internet did go down, people could
still communicate, without internet service..

I'm sorry if this is off topic slightly, but i felt this idea needed
to be put out there...

I do agree that we need to become doers and stop sitting on our
butts, posting on stuff we don't like, all day long. This is getting
us nowhere except to keep us informed on current information
but what good does that do, if we are just going to sit back and
let it happen?

Starting riots is definitely the wrong path to take but if push
comes to shove and people don't have a plan of any kind, you
can be assured that a riot will come to pass.

Maybe now, would be a good time for the creative juices to
start flowing, to figure out what we can do to fix the problems
that we face today.

Here is a little thing you might like to know about. It uses the wi-fi capabilities of your computer to start a daisy chain kind of ad-hoc network like you are talking about. It would require folks to be fairly close together, but still...it's worth knowing about

http://daihinia.com/

[GoodETxSG]

Thank you,
You would also have to create the entire infrastructure. The data on the Internet is made up of many hundreds and thousands of of lines, redundant switches and servers etc... the best we could do is encrypt but nothing is completely secure. It is a good idea but I do not know if it is practical or cost effective.

[Carmody]

We used to use phone lines for all of that, it is called 'the internet' in it's now modern form.

That we used to send packets of information from one place to another, via phone lines. That each step of our conversation would take a few days, as the entire set of conversations would circle the world and then come back, and we would then find our particular conversation, and then thoughtfully make COMPLETE and qualified statements and responses, as we did not have the instantaneous response that we now have, in modern times.

this required us to be careful and complete in our communications, not this modern half-assed way of half expression, which is one of the core PROBLEMS in modern internet expression. That our half statements, our incomplete statements, our ill thought out communications are a notable source of our issues and lack of understanding of one another.

That if communications take more time to go 'back and forth' like they did in the older days of BBS's (bulletin boards), we treated them with more respect, in both creation and then energy involved in interpretation. Half baked expression has no place in areas where the 'back and forth' of communications is limited. That one may not agree with this, but if communication is limited in TIME and availability, I can guarantee you that you will eventually be one hell of a lot more careful with it, in use and in interpretation. For example, if you where forced to write letters and then post them, that your prose and ability to communicate WILL take a giant leap forward, as it has to, in order to be functional and coherent.

Eg, why I have no desire to see or use twitter, is due to it being exactly that: useless and incoherent twittering. (not quite that bad...but close enough)

That this modern version of crap bombing discussions with half baked poorly written bits, will end in mere seconds. That it simply would not happen, at all. Note that all the older people on these forums tend to give you beautifully expressed long posts, that are coherent and well thought out. it's a case of simple learning of the need for discipline in thinking and communication. something they learned when communication capacity was precious and took time to happen.

To add, the way of communication that is being spoken of in this thread, regarding getting past imposed limits...is literally the way the the internet was created.

That the military and the scientists performed this act, as an experiment, both halves watching each other. One, the military... saying no, don't ever speak to one another, and the scientists circumventing that rule, in any way that they could. This was during the development of the Atlas rocket, which became the Saturn V rocket program.

For example, in the old BBS days, this response of mine would take days, almost a week in some cases.. to work it's way around the world and then a few people replying to it, along the way. Thus I am compelled to be clear and coherent in my give and take. No loose ends, no half baked statements, no half expressed anything...as all of that... kills discussion that actually could go anywhere, or reach any form of coherent exchange.

[Carmody]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
Thank you,
You would also have to create the entire infrastructure. The data on the Internet is made up of many hundreds and thousands of of lines, redundant switches and servers etc... the best we could do is encrypt but nothing is completely secure. It is a good idea but I do not know if it is practical or cost effective. Thank you for contributing to the conversation. I am SERIOUS about this topic. I would really like to see something come of it. If we are all talk and no action we truly are doomed.

all western cities have hard lines, ie, that their communications systems are hardlines that are still in existence, in a stable useful connected way.

Your problem comes when you get to the edge of the city.

That you need a way in,and a way out.

three potentials show themselves.

Wireless RF in the form of shortwave done digitally (the original scientists for the atlas program did this, to cross oceans)

Wireless in the form of RF, ie, radio, and then again wireless in the digital modern microwave form.

if attempting to work in a form of un-noticed communication, it's line of sight laser, shotgun antennas in/across valleys, or hardlines run as extra line across barriers (lengths of space that are not joined-bridge the gap), to join existing hardlines together.

modern detection techniques are based on locating wireless communications, which is why gaps should be bridged with laser systems and hardlines (fiber optic or electrical).

That we can detect with laser microphones, which can be converted to transfer digital data over lets say, a near mile wide gap of a river or similar. Slow, but functional. It's fairly hard to find a laser line, under most circumstances.

The other thing the scientists on the atlas program used was a system of parasitic imbedding of their desired communications into existing RF systems and telephony systems. They 'piggy backed' their data packets into and on top of existing systems. this is already used these days, with respect to internet communications on phone lines. It is called DSL internet.

That knowing exactly how such systems work, gives some folks access and control of entire city areas of interconnected systems.

We (the royal we, I was an observer) used to do that in order to have gaming situations work out the way we wanted to, to give ourselves all the bandwidth that was available, to instruct the system to crank our allotted speed and bandwidth... or to look into everyone's computers at home, from our computers. Access to full city blocks of computer systems that where all on the same 'node'.

All these existing systems you have out there are full manipulable, as they stand today.

You just need a hacker experienced in how to move undetected inside of their networks.

Those hackers are everywhere, essentially. They still exist. That these DSL systems, as an example, are more protected, overall, these days, but not outside of infiltration and alternative use.

[spiritguide]

Are we talking counter measures here? If so. the thread should be secure, as the opposition in the game would not be surprised with the next move.Surprise is leverage in any game let alone one where the rules are not clearly outlined. Opposition to control must be peaceful, cost effective and accepted through consensus. could be done on community, county and state level using a 501-3C educational filing (not for profit corporation). These instruments are used for educational purposes. Could be local newsletter informing citizens of their rights and the local happenings for their health and safety.

[turiya]

GoodeTXSG wrote:

What are YOU willing to risk for freedom? The window is closing on our time to act!

Thanks for posting, GoodeTXSG

The answer to this question can only be a willingness to die. Die in the sense that one be willing to let go of one's ego.
Without coming to this point, without coming to the point of "Letting thy will be done - not mine. Of letting thy will be done, through this body, through this mind", then any attempt to do anything at all will only lead to more problems... to more unconsciousness.

We are here to learn, to grow in consciousness. That which presents itself before us, is what is needed for this humanity to move beyond its present state, and onto the next level in our evolution.
turiya

[GoodETxSG]

Thank you turiya,
I have found that in real life operational situations people have quite a range of "How Far" they will go before they cut bate in the name of self preservation (Or of loved ones). I know there are Zealot's out there for various causes that will insist on loss of life. I think it can be done peacefully and if done so it would speak volumes about us for a change to the wider cosmic community.

I didn't miss your point by the way about dying to EGO and expansion of consciousness.

The questions in my first post was to get you thinking about where you draw the line if at all. Some situations warrant one giving their lives for others. I do not pretend to have the answers to all of the answers but I figure a group or community of people like our selves should be able to do what Governments have never been able to do.

If we are to come up with a solid plan to resolve the current civilizations problems and deal humanely with the "problem makers" we will need people who are open minded and "awake". We need people that can calm their minds and anger (And Horror at times) so they can use logic and open mindedness before making the hard decisions that we will be faced with.

But first we need to stand up and bring the EVENT or the moment of CHANGE into fruition...

[GoodETxSG]

That is EXACTLY where I would like to see it all go... but getting a dialog is the first step. I don't have a plan or the answers but I am looking for both. You are right, the rule is WE have to play by the rule of law and THEY DO NOT.

I am not endorsing or dissing Thrive but on their web site on the solutions tab they have communities. These communities work together and the community leaders have regular meetings... something like that could work... but might be described as a "Cell" by the Fed's. Just an idea.

Posted by spiritguide (here)
Are we talking counter measures here? If so. the thread should be secure, as the opposition in the game would not be surprised with the next move.Surprise is leverage in any game let alone one where the rules are not clearly outlined. Opposition to control must be peaceful, cost effective and accepted through consensus. could be done on community, county and state level using a 501-3C educational filing (not for profit corporation). These instruments are used for educational purposes. Could be local newsletter informing citizens of their rights and the local happenings for their health and safety.

[Fred Steeves]

I have two main concerns with plannning of this type:

1) Most likely anything we plan has already been long forseen, like me taking on Garry Kasparov in a chess match.

2) What happens if we actually "win"? The U.S. Constitution was probably the greatest plan ever devised, and look at us now...Who takes charge if we "win", another form of government? Another ism? We've been down this road many times before IMO.

I think changing from within is the only viable option, becoming masters of our own reality. You know what the upper echelons of the elite fear most? What Looking Glass, AI, machines of war, and atleast thousands of years of human nature study can't account for? The Surprise Button... And they know damn well we have it.

Just my take.

Cheers,
Fred

[GoodETxSG]

Are those reasons not to act at all or reasons to proceed with caution? Human nature and the desire for power has been the source of corruption for eons. I do not expect it to be easy.

It will not happen over night. It will have to bee done responsibly. That is where once the many hidden truths and technologies will come in along with re-education of the public in the true history of the world. Then a time of healing and recovery before any thing is put in stone. Once all that has happened we can all be on the same page to rebuild our civilization. As for right now I would like to start figuring these things out and working on ways to make a difference... Right Now.

It could be a pipe dream and we are destine to live as slaves on this planet. It may be destined that we try and fail. But if we do fail I would prefer to fail forward.

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
I have two main concerns with plannning of this type:

1) Most likely anything we plan has already been long forseen, like me taking on Garry Kasparov in a chess match.

2) What happens if we actually "win"? The U.S. Constitution was probably the greatest plan ever devised, and look at us now...Who takes charge if we "win", another form of government? Another ism? We've been down this road many times before IMO.

I think changing from within is the only viable option, becoming masters of our own reality. You know what the upper echelons of the elite fear most? What Looking Glass, AI, machines of war, and atleast thousands of years of human nature study can't account for? The Surprise Button... And they know damn well we have it.

Just my take.

Cheers,
Fred

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
Are those reasons not to act at all

Absolutely not.

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
or reasons to proceed with caution?

It depends.

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
It will not happen over night. It will have to bee done responsibly. That is where once the many hidden truths and technologies will come in along with re-education of the public in the true history of the world.

This goes directly to my concerns over what happens if "we" actually "win". Just who is truly qualified to re-educate (A spooky term) the "general public" of the "true" history of the world? Who decides who has the real story, and what if they are wrong...Or even worse, lying?

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
I have two main concerns with plannning of this type:

1) Most likely anything we plan has already been long forseen, like me taking on Garry Kasparov in a chess match.

2) What happens if we actually "win"? The U.S. Constitution was probably the greatest plan ever devised, and look at us now...Who takes charge if we "win", another form of government? Another ism? We've been down this road many times before IMO.

I think changing from within is the only viable option, becoming masters of our own reality. You know what the upper echelons of the elite fear most? What Looking Glass, AI, machines of war, and atleast thousands of years of human nature study can't account for? The Surprise Button... And they know damn well we have it.

Just my take.

Cheers,
Fred

[ghostrider]

everything begins as a dream, they cannot kill an idea ...

[Silo]

Seems obvious any kind of manifesto would be out of the question as demonized as that phrase has become.....however, listening to Chomsky's speech in this thread made me wonder how he can lay such daming claims in the open with such impudence? Why is it that Joe schmoe should be a minority of one if he plainly states criticisims, while some may say as they please?



Bill has done a great service, in my mind, by placing in the forefront several threads recently that brings all of us up to date. By far, the biggest liability I can see "the public" having is lack of organization.

What could/should we add to his list?

I was thinking in terms of the sufferage movement in so far as they identified a "key" that would unlock further doors. The right to vote let many other issues come to the table that might not have.

What is our key? Might be many things but we won't unlock the door until we find them.

[spiritguide]

Fred,

The dynamics of consensus prevents any factions from taking over as all agree through their own perception of the nature of the decision.

Definition - Merriam Webster

con·sen·sus noun, often attributive \kən-ˈsen(t)-səs\
Definition of CONSENSUS
1a : general agreement : unanimity <the consensus of their opinion, based on reports … from the border — John Hersey> b : the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned <the consensus was to go ahead>
2: group solidarity in sentiment and belief See consensus defined for English-language learners »
See consensus defined for kids »
Usage Discussion of CONSENSUS
The phrase consensus of opinion, which is not actually redundant (see sense 1a; the sense that takes the phrase is slightly older), has been so often claimed to be a redundancy that many writers avoid it. You are safe in using consensus alone when it is clear you mean consensus of opinion, and most writers in fact do so.
Examples of CONSENSUS
Everyone on the council seems to understand the need for consensus.
There is a lack of consensus among the citizens.
The decision was made by consensus.
Yet despite this and other dust-ups during the convention, the general consensus is that Episcopalians weathered this one with their customary civility intact. —Antonio Ramirez, Commonweal, 12 Sept. 1997
Despite years of debate over the best wine to serve at Thanksgiving, no real consensus has emerged. —Harvey Steiman, Wine Spectator, 30 Nov. 1995
Beyond the general goal of sustainability, there was little consensus at the conference on how to get from here to there. —Constance Holden, Science, 6 July 1990
… it is the consensus of opinion that the Iceni in their geographic isolation remained ‘Celtic’ … —Antonia Fraser, The Warrior Queens, 1988
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Latin, from consentire (see 1consent)
First Known Use: 1843

This method is also used by most Native American Indian councils for present and future decisions. An example of this at the following link....

http://www.cowasuck.org/AbenakiConstitution2005AB.pdf

See decision making at the bottom of page three... Article II.

[turiya]

GoodeTXSG wrote:

The questions in my first post was to get you thinking about where you draw the line if at all. Some situations warrant one giving their lives for others. I do not pretend to have the answers to all of the answers but I figure a group or community of people like our selves should be able to do what Governments have never been able to do.

If we are to come up with a solid plan to resolve the current civilizations problems and deal humanely with the "problem makers" we will need people who are open minded and "awake". We need people that can calm their minds and anger (And Horror at times) so they can use logic and open mindedness before making the hard decisions that we will be faced with.

But first we need to stand up and bring the EVENT or the moment of CHANGE into fruition...

Certainly, the idea that one has within the mind of WHERE "to draw the line in the sand" is an intellectual concept... And, anyone who has genuinely examined her/himself & the life s/he's lived would understand that ideas of how to live life & the actual living of this life, they run askew to each other - i.e., never the twain shall meet.
But to further expand on my previous writing - "the willingness to die to one's ego":

With ego comes the idea that "something needs to be done". That a plan needs to be drawn up and implemented... before action is to be taken... a strategy to be put in forth, that 'a line should be drawn in the sand' prior to the advent of a certain event taking place. This planning of what should be done, it is ego based. With this comes the greater possibility of depleting one's own vital energy. For example, one can plan for several years how to react to fascist government encroachment - which may never come to the extent to which one has 'drawn the line' in their mind.

It is understood that in martial arts, it is best to not to think while being engaged with an opponent. In fact, it is said that the one who thinks the least has the better chance of becoming victorious.

In this regard, the "death of the ego", means that one is more available to be spontaneous & less being tied to a prescribed action that needs to be taken. For it is not that one needs to DO SOMETHING about a given situation, but the GIVEN SITUATION will create the appropriate response & action that needs to be taken at the time that it arises.
Like in martial arts, prepare the body, silence the mind... and the appropriate response will be forthcoming.

Its not that one has to DO SOMETHING... But rather, Existence, acting through the body & mind in response to a given situation, would be more appropriate, imo.
In this regard, one can prevent the dissipation of one's own vital energy.

Besides, our awakening planet, Mother Earth, may have her own way(s) of dealing with such parasites that have been inflicted with the mind virus.

Best - turiya

[Rich]

Well...we put those people in power and they will stay there as long as it reflects our consciousness.
That's why best action is to meditate. And I am not saying we shouldn't act on the outside, but the acting is a result and not a cause.

[sdv]

Perhaps we should start by accepting the mind-set that we have rights that are being trashed by people who use our money to do it. Everyone in government and everything government does is funded by taxpayers' money and uses the labour of the people. It is our money and our labour. We have the right to stand up and say no you will not keep secrets from us, no you will not use our money in this way, no, no, no.

Transparency and accountability are two good places to start in terms of what sort of government we should put in place of what we have now. It is our money and our labour so we have the right to ask questions and to have those questions answered, and then to say no this is unacceptable.

Imagine if government could not pass legislation without holding a referendum (and no lobbying was allowed, but only free public debate)? Let the people decide. Give power back to the people.

These are my revolutionary thoughts for the day.

[BMJ]

I really do not care who is to blame, (US citzens aren't to blame they've been had by the TPTW), more importantly what are we going to do about it, my list:
- Know your topics and references on important issues and engage in conversation with people and enlighten them about these matters, that is take a leaf out of the book of our Avalonian "Jackovesk". E.g. 9/11, the Barry birther issue etc. Many people are curious and willing to listen in my experience and they just need a nudge in the right direction.
- Go out and hand out leaflets citing quality sites and you tubes video's to visit e.g. RT Today on youtube, VT Today, truth.net
- Buy for example an infowars shirt and wear it, advertise these sites. I often have people wanting to read my shirt and occasional get asked about the site.
- Simple get off your behind and do something because if you are reading this as Corey stated in post 1, your on their list so there's no hiding so start helping.