John Lash - reflections on his perspective and an offer of alternative solution than his

[Chester]

John Lash is considered by many to be an authority on the Sophianic myth and "the Archons."

Back in 2013 John Lash (in this video) tells the listeners that the solution to the problem humanity faces regarding the Archons is "we must hate the Archons."

This struck me as someone suggesting we pour gasoline on a raging fire in hopes that it puts the fire out.

To "hate" validates hate.

John Lash claims his "gnosis" comes from what he calls "telestic" communication. This is no different than any form of claims to receiving channeled information yet adds one more aspect to the claim. In his mind, "telestic" implies "communication that is only available to beings that are able to receive true gnosis."

This means that John Lash sees himself as a special being. This means John Lash sees himself as special in that he is able to receive these messages of truth (whereas nothing outside of these messages are truth) and that this grants him the authority not only to share these messages but to tell us that they are the truth and the only true truth.

John Lash warns us that the ancient Gnostics warned us against "salvationist religion."

What is the difference between a "special messenger" and a "savior?"

In another interview, John Lash explains how "Sophia" taught him how to cast three spells. The first is how to cast a "love spell."

The second - "How to cast a death spell."

Again... the Goddess of Wisdom, Sophia, taught John Lash how to cast "death spells."

He said he is unable to reveal what the third spell is.


For me - something is wrong with this picture.

My opinion (only) - He is able to point his finger at what he claims is "archontically compromised" and yet cannot see the compromised being that is standing there when he looks into his own mirror.

I will offer my solution to the perceived "archontic problem" in an upcoming post.

[Delight]

I found John lash in July of 2011. I credit JLL with bringing the story of Gaia/Sophia to my attention. I was so excited by the information and wanted to join the Gaispore. Then I realized that it was not what I appreciated.

IMO, the direction he has moved displays a driven need to right a wrong he feels he has personally endured and is a mis-interpretation of power. The great grief and longing for a community aimed at communion with Gaia/Sophia could be a feeling of being victim-sized by the what is definitely the polarity (in this experience): antithesis to life.

But he is now engaged in seeking retribution for his grief and feeling shut off from his ideal by a force that impinges. As a warrior that would manipulate to gain love (love spell) and kill (death spell), he acts for the very force he rails against IMO.

Gaian/Sophianic lovers are the community that need no salvation. If a person knows what it means to be in this community, but when close to humans,does not like most of them very well, one is open to being a tool of antithetic to life energy. The very sincere admission of a state of pathologic human DE-tachment which could kill calls for laying down all weapons of defense and retreating to inner contemplation in the truth.

I also am a telestic being. Does that sound like I am special? No, common human. Why? We are given each of us the direct connection to OUR OWN knowing if we look for this avenue. To disbelieve this is to be ignorant. To be without knowing is to be lost and need defense. Gnosis is IMO the inherent channel that cuts through the dense material direct to source. It is not intellect but we translate it the best we know how. To be needing others revelation or to need to give revelation is a trap IMO because each translation must be for the individual as it gives personal knowing for our benefit. To share our POV of communion with Gaia/Sophia and all else is the cutting edge of fruitful communication of sovereign beings. IMO.

I have had a charge about John Lash I admit but it was out of my insecurity only. I post this with acknowledgement of my own judgmental tendencies. Maggie

[Chester]

I am in communication with my Higher Self but I do not claim, as John Lash does, to be an authority to speak for Sophia which is his definition of telestic.

[gripreaper]

I'm not sure if your thread is discussing the character of the messenger or the message of the Aeon Sophia.

The gnostic texts speak of the decendence of the Aeon Sophia into matter which manifested as the earth, and the Archon's were and anomaly of effects from this decension. This means they are not from the original cause and therefore do not carry the original heart energy, but are entities without the human element of love and heart.

If we view "hate" from a quantum perspective, and not use this label, it is directed fire energy, or life force which is not discordant and "spiking" without the balance of the other rainbow aspects of the energetic spectrum, but an intentioned use of life force.

To unify aspects of this light spectrum in order to eliminate the aberration, without viewing this aberration through the eyes of the empath, and without qualifying this belief as being "hateful", I can see how these anomalous entities could return to the source energy of the Aeon Sophia undifferentiated, and we don't need to use such symbolic archetypes and labels to justify empaths using life force to eliminate creative anomalous effects.

Remove the human face and remove the archetypal labels and it becomes just what it is, John's ego notwithstanding.

[Delight]

The ideal of purity of the soul which IMO is the refinement of the material to be "soul-ar" is different from the civic (which IMO is being a body in with others on a life journey) in that the "soul-ar"purification is my individual pursuit that informs my own matter. If anything this then informs how I behave (civility of expression). I am influenced by a model that does not shame material experience or even the polar mistake of "the anti-life behavior" because I do think this is a hologram and practice area.

I feel very satisfied that my creation is what I am responsible in. I personally love the ideal of purification and cleansing of what I personally feel is antithetic to life and death promoting. My insecurity has only ever been that what others do impinges on my freedom. Cleaning on that now and achieving so much more peace.....

In the Proem to the Commentary on the Golden Verses of the Pythagoreans, Hierocles defines philosophy as ‘a purification and perfection of human life: a purification from our irrational, material nature and the mortal form of the body, a perfection by the recovery of our proper happiness, leading to a likeness with the divine’. For our purification and perfection we require both virtue and truth. These basic ideas are then incorporated in Hierocles’ division of philosophy, along Aristotelian lines, into the practical and the contemplative. Later in the Commentary he subdivides practical philosophy into the more specific categories of the civic and the telestic. The civic branch of practical philosophy calls upon the exercise of the moral virtues, whereas the telestic category has to with the rituals of purification applied to the luminous body of the soul.http://www.universitypressscholarshi...c%20philosophy

[Chester]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
I'm not sure if your thread is discussing the character of the messenger of the message of the Aeon Sophia.

The gnostic texts speak of the decendence of the Aeon Sophia into matter which manifested as the earth, and the Archon's were and anomaly of effects from this decension. This means they are not from the original cause and therefore do not carry the original heart energy, but are entities without the human element of love and heart. They are anomalous effects.

If we view "hate" from a quantum perspective, and not use this label, it is directed fire energy, or life force which is not discordant and "spiking" without the balance of the other rainbow aspects of the energetic spectrum, but an intentioned use of life force.

To unify aspects of this light spectrum in order to eliminate the aberration, without viewing this aberration through the eyes of the empath, and without qualifying this belief as being "hateful", I can see how these anomalous entities could return to the source energy of the Aeon Sophia undifferentiated, and we don't need to use such symbolic archetypes and labels to justify emapths using life force to eliminate creative anomalous effects.

Remove the human face and remove the archetypal labels and it becomes just what it is.

Hi Grip - I do not share the interpretations of the Sophianic Creation myth as viewed by John Lash. I also do not view the archetypal forces as you have interpreted them. Yet certainly, it is completely ok that folks take from myths whatever they take.

If we go as far as the Cathars for example, the entire material realm is "hell." I do not share this view.

I also do not see Sophia as making "a mistake" as so many wish to draw from the myth. I see Sophia acting upon impulse but that she was always Wisdom personified, just with less experience "then" as "now."

I see the archetypes (all... including archetypes we might perceive as "bad") as Plato saw them - "perfect forms." I also perceive our experience here to be symbiotic with these archetypes. Thus I conclude that they feed our experience every bit as much as we feed theirs.

I subscribe to the theory "you are what you eat." By looking at the situation with the archetypes, I say to myself, which archetypes am I interested in thriving and which do I wish would have less impact upon my life (and our collective lives).

I then consider which type of energetic output would feed each of these pure forms. It then seems completely logical that if I feed hate to the archetypes which love to "eat" hate, then I am strengthening the dynamic feedback loop of hate.

If instead, through the very Wisdom that Sophia represents to me I look upon this all through the eyes of understanding, then compassion comes forth and what is fed are the archetypes that thrive upon the higher vibratory energies of love and compassion.

I suggest John Lash consider this solution over his.

[gripreaper]

Very well summarized Sam, and I agree with you. Such is the dance of duality and the dancers, all playing their part in the grand experiment we call descension into matter. We create the holograms and beliefs we subscribe to, and the anomalous effects which manifest and the extreme polarities of manifestation.

When we get tired of the game, and we no longer feed the energy into the polarities of the dualistic extremes, then this energy once again returns to source less dense and less differentiated. The only distinction I would surmise, is that some of this energy returns conscious and differentiated and some does not.

I do not find the need to apply compassion to energy which returns to source undifferentiated as this energy is not conscious to begin with and never was. Such is the Archonic anomaly.

[Delight]

I also do not see Sophia as making "a mistake" as so many wish to draw from the myth. I see Sophia acting upon impulse but that she was always Wisdom personified, just with less experience "then" as "now."

I wrote about my own relationship here that satisfies me. The experience of satisfaction has informed me daily since getting in touch with my own organic light. I just want to share this as it has been what "comes to me" of knowing what I hold as the ideal of the origin(al) truth: ongoing creation technology by perfectly imperfect beings of sentience.

Sophia, Aeon, Goddess of Wisdom, World Creatrix in-visioned design.

Beautiful vehicles for Consciousness and a place to explore "being somewhere" was her intention. She would distill frequency to potency and then project it. Forms as material density held fast by a song.

Music entranced Sophia. she grew too attached to her creation. She lost objectivity and made her relationship personal, literally embodying a channel for music she ordered into form.

As GAIA, Her word was made flesh. She is Matter of bodies and all the rest.

This was not a fall but evolution.

Once upon a time, a long time ago, In a place we can call PLEROMA, Consciousness expressed as sentient flows of creativity without objective: the Aeons.
Singular, like streams of color separating from clear light, Aeons achieved particular distinct quality.

The Aeons individualized.

Still, without attachment quality morphed and flowed and the Aeons played in infinite change.

The Aeon Sophia individualized tenaciously.
She held a frequency of consciousness so substantial in a sticky way that once focused she seldom altered. She mastered the holding of “her” exact frequency in an interval. It might be likened to a tone that resounds endlessly until interrupted by a pause. Without pause, no music. This was her creation.

She sounded this frequency and she was transfixed by desire and longing for an ineffable tantalizing unknown. Flow changed to music... space holding dense notes.

Sophia was captivated by delicious sensuality. The tension shook her. Sophia was imploding: magnetic, Feminine, a Divine fractal of longing compressing light into density.

Sophia heavy, gravid the weight pulled her from potential, probability, possibility. Sophia embodied her ideal; heavy, ripe and round, she congealed....Sophia expressed as GAIA
The story is said to be a fall from the Pleroma. It was not a fall but a spontaneous evocation. Sophia birthed GAIA.
The word made flesh https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post691030

[Delight]

Justone and all,

IMO, it is really valuable now for us to let our own imagination free for our own understanding.
This is also what I have been entertaining:

There is an alternate perception of what archontic consciousness means...IMO it is the unintended "is not" aspect that of insentient, direction-less, shadow of life...The antitheisis of life being "Not love" and "Not in relationship". So the antithesis exists only in this dense polarity realm, just as an unintended consequence of the whole experience? We see denial and with-holding and negation of what is real: LOVE as the illusion of what we live. Possibly, in my imagination, GAIA herself has held this illusion. As she matures and relinquishes the past "means" of expression, we mature with her because we are within her being?

In my perspective, the experiment of the incarnation of Gaia up to now is relinquishing a hold of the illusion. That is what I feel is the great change we experience now....

GAIA
The being we all thank for being our real Mother has many names. She answers to all her names. She is such a huge being that she never is bothered by what her children call her. That someone does recognize her, feels wonderful though because it feels good to be noticed and appreciated.

Sometimes children cannot see a parent as a real person. So there are many children of Gaia who selfishly see Mother as “my mother” or even "my earth" and feel all kinds of ownership. In a way this is the state of most children until they grow up.

Gaia has a life apart from her role as mother. She has her own plans and she had been caught in a sort of bind for a long time. She was very glad she had given life to her offspring. On the whole, she was satisfied with how they had turned out. Even if her children were not all growing to maturity as she had hoped, she knew she had done her best.

GAIA was now beyond her Crone years and moving into an unknown phase. Aging is an artificial idea that thinks there are beginnings and ends to life. It is tied to immature thinking which revels in the “flush of youth and believes there is a time limit. This is just one of the unfortunate beliefs that her intellectual offspring subscribe and act on.

In fact, the number of unfortunate beliefs was just choking the collective mind now. Usually when this had happened, GAIA had cleared the field and started again. Each time the same accumulation had resumed. GAIA had been trying to manage this pollution unsuccessfully. She had now stopped trying.

GAIA had changed HER mind. She would use this accumulated sludge and use it for HER benefit.

GAIA was not going to wait any longer. She was going to be born again and leave her old existence now. Sentient beings everywhere are always changing. GAIA had stayed the same for the sake of the children.

GAIA's resplendent body in a much lighter dimension of the "physical" would give her much freedom and new experience.
Whether physicality is really real or not is an intellectual argument that immature thinkers harp upon. It makes no dent in fact. Sentience inhabits some vehicle.

So in GAIA's fact, there would be a major change and the sloughing off of the old body type.

GAIA had matured from her early years when she felt a responsibility to “grow" ALL her children. At that earlier time she believed that in some way she was responsible for the outcome of the beings she had birthed. She had moved all through the stages of grief to peace.

Do not believe that GAIA is perfected. Just as all beings change and evolve had changed her understandings. Just as beings have Layers of many aspects, she too was foolish and wise, loving and hurting, contracting and expanding. When young she had impetuously spawned life as an earth. And in the unintended consequences she had spawned some children who were like the shadow of life. The organic experiment in creative life she rashly started had spawned its shadow UNLIFE.

This mimetic form of consciousness was dependent on life and used life but was uncreative.

In the past she had felt guilt for the suffering these synthetic beings experienced and for the suffering they dealt to others. She had tried to change the beings. She had created all kinds of opportunities for their development of “real life”. She loved them and she kept beaming support for their advancement. She allowed them to make a mess of her body surface and she tolerated periodic upheavals that occurred on her skin.

Now she must now let them go. She was about to change bodies and there was no question that many of her children had also enough Life Force to make the change with her.

The Star Gates had assisted her in her preparation. GAIA relocated “life substance” to other Planet Hosts who were still in younger periods. These sisters had followed her example to be Mothers of sentient life on their bodies. These planets were using her Life Material in their own ways. When GAIA finally Transformed and left her old body to be dematerialized, all the vital information for 3D life she created would be saved and would be used by her Sisters.

The polarized UNLIFE would be left behind and would no longer have an existence. GAIA had wept over this failure until she healed, realizing that the mystery for her of the initial experiment was the way that thought does take a life of its own and then forms thought in a likeness. NO! She had never failed at all in her quest. The whole experiment was open ended and eternal.

And with the wisdom she now knew, she could allow a peaceful resignation for all. Her sentient and LIFE centered beloveds would change with her as she burst into a new and fresh cycle. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post690767

[Chester]

Awesome Grip... Note for me that compassion has become my experience as opposed to my younger days when I found myself judging. Compassion seems to come forth naturally these days and I am grateful for this change in my experience. I assume that this experience generates energies which flow back into the smokey haze. I deduce these energies (as opposed to energies of hate, etc) are "better" for us all.

and what a delight to see someone else who sees the "perfectly imperfect."

It once came to me this -

I am perfect

Perfectly imperfect

When I make a mistake, I make it perfectly!

[arwen]

Thanks for raising this. While I have found some of John Lash's views interesting, and he has made some good points, I have to say that he completely lost me with this show (linked to below), where he spoke of the conspiracy of Jews to exterminate Caucasians, and claimed that all Jewish people - without exception - carry a virus in their brains. He stopped just short of recommending extermination of all Jews as the only way of "curing" this virus. While I am not one for the "House of Cards" logical fallacy (if one point is incorrect, then all points become invalid), I have to admit this was too much even for me, and I am able to tolerate a very broad range of worldviews.

There is abundant data on Sophia and much has been preserved by the Gnostics. A search on the subject will retrieve a wealth of data and interpretations on this subject, so John Lash does not have a monopoly on the subject.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6U424pnjADE

[Chester]

Thank you, arwen, as I was also aware of this interview which was what set off the final alarm bells.

[Sunny-side-up]

Love spell=to create
Death spell=to dismantle
or; start of a process and then end of a process.

just a point of view

[Julian]

Greetings All,

Well I managed to listen to the entire interview. Ugh. A long soak in very hot water is certainly in my near future.

I suppose like many others I'm interested in the whole Archon thing and listen for anything new or useful I could glean. Yet the bitterness, self congratulatory, arrogant tone and constant need to extract praise and affirmation from the interviewer just beats me down. Early on Lash launches into a completely self absorbed diatribe about race and then asks "Was that helpful?". I was waiting for the interviewer to say "not particularly" but instead they moved in an increasingly lock step fashion. By the end he was pining away on behalf of the SS, called for a new warrior class and remarked that that Jews belong on the bottom of the Dead Sea. His preferred vision of the future seems close to what we seeing in the revival of the cult of personality around Stepan Bandera in Ukraine. Scary stuff. It is hard to imagine this fellow really experiences communion with Gaia, or the divine feminine.

I suppose that is the core of it. He learns about the Archons by going into a mystical communion with something and comes back angrier, more self important and preening then ever. Hyperbole is everywhere. Yet can a human who feels his every impulse needs to be immediately proclaimed to the world as a new "teaching" really practice discernment or demonstrate a depthful understanding of love? So if he isn't communing with Gaia who is he tapping into?

I suppose the most frustrating part is that there are elements of truth mixed in. Yet it's so mangled, so hard to draw it into a coherent whole. The gnostic text about ancient Jews entering into some sort of pact is interesting.
The apparent involvement of the joint US Israeli cabal in events like Fukashima is chilling and hard to dismiss. Are the Bushes or Cheney infected with L Dopa? Do they avoid pork?

Details are blurry and seemingly thrown around for effect. Are Reptilians Archons or were they in turn hammered by them? Does the awakening of the human race include a return of higher dimensional perceptions or a return to tribal identity story telling around the camp fire? Are the accomplishments of the "White Race" so "magnificent" because their history dominates textbooks or because they truly overshadowed everyone else in "excellence". Since we couldn't duplicate the construction of the great Pyramids or the ancient sites in Syria or the Andes does this mean they are more excellent then we are? Who are the "white race" anyway? Are we really the special "pets" of Gaia and does this mean we have domination over the rest of the natural world to use as we see fit?

Ah well. After listening to two hours of John Lash the real question is. Do I truly believe he is going to shed light on the important stuff? For me the answer is no.

[arwen]

Yes, sorry about that Julian - I had the same response after listening to that video - needed a good cleanse. But it was definitely educational and necessary context to John Lamb Lash's approach. Data is data, and anyone can use it for an agenda, whatever that agenda is. The concept of "Archons" has recently become popular in the alternative spiritual movement, and if one wants to explore the concept further, along with the Gnostic writings, there are a number of cleaner sites to study the data - suggest a few below:

The Gnostic Society Library

The Archons

And an interesting view on the subject of Archons, "Never call them Archons"

[Sean]

wish I'd seen this thread earlier. I just started another one on Lash. I listened to that interview early this morning, and, yeah, quite arrogant. the idea of KWP sounds good.

Killling people with a "death spell"..um..yeah..no.

Also, it never ceases to amaze me the amount of "spiritual" people who discriminate against others. In Lash's case, against gays. I mean if you believe in any way in a universal consciousness..sex orientation, race, gender discrimination does. not. compute. and it's the quickest way to know if said spiritual person is full of it.

[Chester]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
Love spell=to create
Death spell=to dismantle
or; start of a process and then end of a process.

just a point of view

Intentional magic - regardless of how it is applied, usurps the otherwise free will of others and also circumvents the natural wisdom of the universe. It also assumes the magician knows better for others.

I doubt Sophia teaches this.

[Selkie]

I had forgotten that Lash says he knows how to cast death spells. Maybe that is what he meant when he wrote to me, in an email dated Jan 20, 2015, "You may not make it much longer. Turning against your love for me is tantamount to inviting death. Drive carefully.", and didn't mean his "lethal strike". Well, either way, the whole idea of him being able to deal death from afar is complete hooey, and I wrote back to him, "Oh, blow it out your ass."

[Selkie]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
Love spell=to create
Death spell=to dismantle
or; start of a process and then end of a process.

just a point of view

I respect your point of view, but when Lash says he has a death spell, he means the real, physical death of another person. Lash believes he is a shaman, and shamans believe that they can kill with magic. But the only thing I have seen Lash kill is love, itself.

Btw, has anyone noticed how Lash is always trying to make people afraid of him? Always trying to strike fear into people's hearts, for personal reasons or otherwise? Can anyone say Archontified?