Worm Tongue

[greybeard]

I for once am getting some what frustrated.

I am not a friend of Richard I don't know him but I will not hear one word against him.

He has worked away quietly for all of us.

I have been surprised by some of Bills actions but I don't judge, I don't have the full story and the Charles event has been a mixed blessing.
Bill has tried to be reasonable, tried to see every ones point of view, very difficult for him.

Celine is a friend of long standing I dont always agree with her but I remain happily her friend.

Can we please back off and let Avalon and all members recover from what has been a very difficult time since January.

What does all this serve?
Not us.

Namaste

Old and Grey and very tired
Chris

[Celine]

Posted by Lee-B (here)

Posted by Celine (here)
Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

Yes you were very different Lee-B when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts HAD to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed BS

[chelmostef]

Anyone with eyes or ears could see this happening, this is a targeted attack.

Let us send them love and good vibrations lets convert them. Negativity feeds the monster... Lets try not to feed it any more.... I hope this has not gone to far and some are walking down a blind alley.

This is not directed at you Celine. These People hide in the shaddows that is their strength.

[Steph]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Ok, I have no idea what is going on here and I am not sure that I want to know.
I would like to know if I can help heal this so that a) we don't bleed more members and b) everyone feels that they can let go of it.

You know, every day I appreciate you a little bit more Sidious, well said m'dear.

Mouse x

[An Cailleach]

Posted by chelmostef (here)
Anyone with eyes or ears could see this happening, this is a targeted attack.

Let us send them love and good vibrations lets convert them. Negativity feeds the monster... Lets try not to feed it any more.... I hope this has not gone to far and some are walking down a blind alley.

This is not directed at you Celine. These People hide in the shaddows that is their strength.

I totally agree.

[Lifesong]

Posted by slvrfx (here)

Posted by Celine (here)

Bill, broke his word to me.

This is the BIG DEAL for Celine. I don't have to know details.

And I trust that she knows her own feelings about being betrayed.

She's the only one who knows the entire story, so I appeal to all of you readers to at least respect that this is the way she feels.

As for me, I take the stance with Bill, or with anyone else, that unless they do something to me personally, I can't judge.

But I repeat, RESPECT HER, she knows what's happened to her personally.

There's still part of me that wants to take it personally too though, that's my struggle.

"Whatever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me."

Still, I hope there's a reason yet unrevealed, a lesson perhaps not fully unfolded yet.


Celine - how do I do that (#Round-Table)?

[Celine]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Ok, I have no idea what is going on here and I am not sure that I want to know.
I would like to know if I can help heal this so that a) we don't bleed more members and b) everyone feels that they can let go of it.

Thank you LS...


Your words stem the blood flow... thank you..

To let go... not that i have an issue with...

I dont expect the man ever loved me the way i love him... But the betrayal is where my heart is blocked..(i know i am not the only one to feel this way)

In the end i probably have to accept that it was all a lie.

i was wrong....and i can admit that...and i can learn from that.

I have learned more...watching all of you... then i have in a long long time.


i am humbled...to be part of this group.


(i know i am not the only one to feel this way)

[Lee-B]

Posted by Celine (here)

Posted by Lee-B (here)

Posted by Celine (here)
Alll here cuz of Bill?

Hmm..

Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

Which is something people should be aware of, especially if they are not keen on people who flatter to deceive, and are somewhat duplicitous, whether they are aware of it or not.

Yes you were very different Lee-B when you came to me with info you got from another member...and juts HAD to tell me...you were so concerned...remember?

I immedietly sent you to speak to richard becuase i sensed BS

Now you're getting a little too provocative for my tastes. I am no different, what you see is what you get. I'm not bi-polar.
Yes, I came to you because I thought I could trust you, based on other peoples interactions with you. I'm not going to go into PRIVATE conversations on here. It is worth noting how I ceased all communication with yourself and Richard on that matter when *I* sensed BS.

And just for the record, things have moved on since then. I have been nothing but honest and transparent. I felt extremely guilty for confiding in you, knowing it was a huge error of judgement.
So much so, that I told the EX MODERATOR concerned, exactly what I had divulged to yourself and Richard.

He was fine with that, and appreciated my honesty. And knowing full well that I put the cat amongst the pigeons.

[Celine]

Posted by Lee-B (here)

And knowing full well that I put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Agent provocateurs...

I am sooo fed up of that ****

[Chicodoodoo]

Posted by Celine (here)
Bill DOES NOT act the same on forum as he does in private.... just like most of us.

The lack of transparency is a tremendous problem. It is the cancer killing our world.

One of my goals as a human being is to be an integral person. As such, the way I act on the forum and in private are one in the same. I would encourage everyone to strive to become integral. It is very liberating. If there are things inside you that you must hide in public, ask yourself why. There is a real educational opportunity in front of you when you do that.

[chelmostef]

Look any one who says this is just stuff being aired in Avalon has no idea, sorry. We, some of have seen this done before. Lets not make the same mistake. Lets not feed the monster this needs to be out here so we Avalon can fix it... As Chris has said Avalon was strong untill christmas. We should fall to that as our model if in doubt.

[Celine]

The "game" in the alternative media industry is to create as much contraversy as you can...and make stars out of the "jouranlists" rather then making Truth the star.

everyone in the alternative media industry is hungry for their Holy grail..........

Sound familiar??

¤=[Post Update]=¤

i have admited to my sins...

do you think...some..reading this thread will to?

[chelmostef]

Lee did you watch as Avalon 1 was pulled down around us? This is stinks of the same dirty hand at work.... Your negativity is feeding this monster, stop it.

[Trail]

Posted by Fred S. (here)
Why is this dirty laundry being aired in public? Many reading this, including me, don't even know what this crisis is about. Seems to me this should be hashed out by just the people involved, if not then the people involved should be invited here to air their side of this foggy story too.

Cheers,
Fred S.

The problem is there's already way to much going on behind the scene. Too many censored threads are closed or moved out of sight into special access areas on the forum, invisible to the regular registered member.

This is hurting avalon the most. Everyone has heard the rumours and we know we cannot make an informed decision about the latest subjects anymore. Ever incidence of censorship creates more distrust now.

Avalon's grace and honour should be re-established as quickly as possible by replacing the rumours with facts by plainly going public with everything going on behind the scenes. We're all curious and not stupid. We deserve to know the full story. We're here for the truth Gdmt!

~Trail.

[Dale]

Stopping in for a minutes - there seems to be a crescendoing wave of drama and tension unfolding.

Might I suggest we turn away from our screens for a moment, think of three things we admire about the individual or individuals our frustration is directed toward, hold that feeling for several minutes, and then come back?

I wish everyone the best, and now, back to lunch for me!

[Steph]

I'm off to read a book. I hope some peace can be found here for all concerned.

I'll leave you all with this - love to you all xx

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YN1JoJcRvJg

[Celine]

Posted by Trail (here)

Posted by Fred S. (here)
Why is this dirty laundry being aired in public? Many reading this, including me, don't even know what this crisis is about. Seems to me this should be hashed out by just the people involved, if not then the people involved should be invited here to air their side of this foggy story too.

Cheers,
Fred S.

The problem is there's already way to much going on behind the scene. Too many censored threads are closed or moved out of sight into special access areas on the forum, invisible to the regular registered member.

This is hurting avalon the most. Everyone has heard the rumours and we know we cannot make an informed decision about the latest subjects anymore. Ever incidence of censorship creates more distrust now.

Avalon's grace and honour should be re-established as quickly as possible by replacing the rumours with facts by plainly going public with everything going on behind the scenes. We're all curious and not stupid. We deserve to know the full story. We're here for the truth Gdmt!

~Trail.

I have remouved any veil i have put on the truth...

[Lee-B]

Posted by chelmostef (here)
Lee did you watch as Avalon 1 was pulled down around us? This is stinks of the same dirty hand at work.... Your negativity is feeding this monster, stop it.

With respect, I've never interacted with you, you don't know me. Anyone that does will confirm I only seek the truth. If this place crumbles, there is one person responsible for his HUGE error of judgement, and that I am sad to say, is Bill.

[Whitehaze]

Posted by Dale (here)
Stopping in for a minutes - there seems to be a crescendoing wave of drama and tension unfolding.

Might I suggest we turn away from our screens for a moment, think of three things we admire about the individual or individuals our frustration is directed toward, hold that feeling for several minutes, and then come back?

I wish everyone the best, and now, back to lunch for me!

Well said. And perhaps we could remember the goal of what all of us want, I think it is the same thing. There are three roads to Rome, we dont all have to walk the same road. What matters is we all show up there.

[Kindling]

Celine, I am so sorry that you had to experience this. I woke up thinking of you this morning. I don't know all the behind-the-scenes details, but I was so very disturbed by Gypsy's verbal attacks on you and other members. That it continued by PM and became so personal is terrible. The things she insinuated concerning Bill were wild, too - sheesh. What is up with this woman?? Lee, if you know something we don't please share. Why would this not be over? And why would you throw out the bi-polar jab? Wow! For all of our sakes, I hope it is over. I'm not being hurt by her myself, but it hurts me to see others being hurt. Yesterday, I was glad to see the disturbing posts deleted, but now I wonder if that was a good idea. I felt like Gypsy really showed her true colors. Celine, I don't know Bill except through his work, but I can't help but believe that he will find a way to make this right.