Curious Case of Criminal Last Names

[marlowe]

In 1978 I was looking through a book called New Dictionary of American Family Names by Elsdon C. Smith :{ it is availabe in most public libraries} I happened to glance at an open newspaper at a story about serial killers.I began looking up the last name meanings of murderers.I discovered that there is a statistical probability that murderers have one of four types of location last names.
{1} Dweller or near in a swamp,moor,wasteland,marsh or muddy place.
{2} Dweller in a forest ,grove of trees,or clearing in a wood.
{3} Dweller in a deep valley or hollow.
{4} Dweller on barren or uncultivated land.
Examples:
Richard Speck>Speck:On who came from Speke {brushwood} in Lancashire.
Kissinger {German} One who came from Kissing{swamp} in Germany.
Cheney {French} One who came from Chaney{oak grove} in France.
Bush :Dweller on barren ground {brushy/land where bushes/weeds grow}

George Bush,Henrey Kissenger & Dick Cheney are considered "criminals guilty of war crimes".

[crosby]

wow marlowe, this deserves a ton more attention. you have hit on something not discussed before........ you are awesome.....
warmest regards, corson

ps: welcome to avalon!

[crosby]

[marlowe]

A popular loan-name among Roman men was Silvanus,which developed from the "Roman god of uncultivated land beyond the boundaries of tillage,",,,,A man with the name of Silvanus was depicted as "uncanny & dangerous"

Silvan {English} A descendant of Silvan or Silvanus {the woods}
Silva{Spainish/Portugese} One who came from Silva {thicket of briers:woods}

[crosby]

how bout the name 'strong'?
regards, corson

[marlowe]

Posted by corson (here)
how bout the name 'strong'?
regards, corson

Strong,Strongs {English} One with great physical powers,a strong man.

[marlowe]

In the best selling nonfiction book The Devil in the White City the writer tells the true tale of one of America's first serial killers ,Herman Mudget,who built a "hotel" near the 1893 Chicago Worlds Fair.This "hotel" had a gas chamber,disecting table,and crematorium..where the women Mudget lured to his establishment met their deaths.

Mudget:{English} Dweller in or near a swamp....

Curmudgeon: a bad tempered ,cantankerous,difficult man....this word is related to Mudget IMO.

Lake:{English} Dweller at a dried up water course in the moors,
Leonard Lake video taped his murders in California .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Lake

[crosby]

please check link. not working properly.
regards, corson

sorry, now it is working fine. my bad.

[marlowe]

Palin:{Swedish}dweller near a swamp or marsh......{the term Beyond the Pale is related to Palin in meaning IMO.
Sarah's maiden name is Heath>>Heath {English} One who came from Heath,wasteland with low shrubs.
{these people tend to marry each other IMO....birds of a feather flock together.....

Romney:{English} One who came from Romney {island in a marsh}..

Terence McKenna said that the more he looked into history on the fine grained level it seemed to him as if it was like a well written novel....with coincedences,building tension,release language,plot twists,etc...

Charles Dickens & other writers often chose the names of their characters carefuly to give a hint as to what their character is like....

[marlowe]

Boys Don't Cry,the movie that Hilary Swank won her first Oscar for, was based on a true story...
The murderer's real name was Lotter,which means "a ne're do well or One good for nothing.

Lottmanne who came from Lotte {muddy water} in Germany.

[marlowe]

People who were involved in trying to or succeding in killing a President of the USA....
Guisseppi Zangora attempted to kill President Franklin Roosevelt on Sept 22,1933 in Florida.
He missed but shot 5 other people ,killing one...Zangora {Italian} dweller in a mire or swampy place.
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John Hinckley<<<shooter of Ronald Reagen //Hinck means bear cub:Ley means clearing in a wood>>Same as Lee..
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Sara Jane Moore shot at Gerald Ford on Sept 22,1975.missing his head by inches,
Moore:Dweller in or near a marsh or wasteland.{strangly,Moore was a neighbor of Charles Manson as a child.}
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E.Howard Hunt & Clay Shaw were involved in the JFK hit...
Hunt means One who hunted wild game,a huntsman,
Shaw means dweller in a thicket or copse of trees.
Oswald was the patsy but he was involved...imo.
Oswald means dweller in the eastern forest.
Lee means dweller in a clearing in a wood.
Harvey means Descendant of Harvey :bitter,carnage-worthy.
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Arthur Bremer...One who came from Bremer in northern Germany....this whole area of Northern Germany is low lying with lots of swamps,marshes,etc.
Bremer shot at George Wallace...but there were 8 shots fired & Bremer's gun only held 6 rounds...he was a Manchurian candidate IMO.

[marlowe]

Posted by corson (here)
wow marlowe, this deserves a ton more attention. you have hit on something not discussed before........
warmest regards, corson

ps: welcome to avalon!

Thanks corson,it's great to be here.
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"I think the sounds & names carry vibrations within them & that linage & ancestral heritage carries a karma of sorts that repeats itself through future generations ....{but that doesn't mean someone cannot rise above or sink below their ancestral karma."....by Chryoprase on another forum
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jukes_family
The Jukes is a study of a criminal family that spans generations in New York state.The name "Jukes" is a pseudonym.
Make of it what you will.

[meat suit]

Kissing doesnt mean swamp in german... not sure if its swampy down there either....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissing,_Bavaria
oh look, below is a link to ****ing in Austria....

whats with the auto censoring??? MODs !!! .....

[marlowe]

Posted by meat suit (here)
Kissing doesnt mean swamp in german... not sure if its swampy down there either....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissing,_Bavaria
oh look, below is a link to ****ing in Austria....

whats with the auto censoring??? MODs !!! .....

On page 276 of New Dictionary of American Family Names it says "Kissinger,Kissing {Ger}One who came from Kissing{swamp} in Germany.

Your link says nothing about what Kissing means..It only gives info about a municipality in Bavaria which in the distant past had a hill that was swept away by the flooding of the river Lech. Not exactly a high & dry place by the looks of it....Have you ever been to Bavaria?

[deridan]

who doesn't come from the swamp , valley , forest , or bush? yeah, those from the plateau, those are real people !, and those who choose surnames meaning other things, those guys are real lucky... huh

[marlowe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Unruh

http://ancestry.com/facts/Unruh-name-meaning.ashx

Howard Unruh was America's first modern mass murderer...he killed 13 people in his neighborhood on Sept.6,1949.
Unruh : a restless or quarrelsome person.

[Avocadess]

I don't believe Oswald was one of the shooters of Kennedy. He was a patsy, just like he said, and he was shot before he could get a chance to spill what beans he had. Much new information has come out about Oswald by the way in Ed Haslam's book Dr. Mary's Monkey as well as in Judyth
Vary Baker's book Me and Lee

Oswald did not kill Kennedy -- and more than that, he did not WANT to kill Kennedy...! He was set up, and he knew he was set up, but didn't have a clue on how to extricate himself. The best he felt he could do was to NOT shoot at Kennedy, and I believe that that is exactly what he did, was he did not even shoot at him (if he shot at all).

Another interesting thing came up -- I wish I could remember who said it -- maybe someone here will remember -- Oh! I think I remember now that it was Ed Dames the remote viewer who said it -- that Kennedy was actually shot from a device that had been installed in the dashboard of the car he was in. It was set pointing right at his head and I don't think Dames said who did it, but I imagine it was either the driver or Connally (who was in the passenger right seat) who must have had some button to push or something of the like to activate it. This also explains WHY the car itself was immediately DESTROYED -- they destroyed the evidence!

Sorry for going off-topic. Just upsets me when I hear his name in a list of assassins (even though you posted that you knew he was a patsy).

[marlowe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Weidmann
The last person to be publically executed by guillitine in France.

Weidmann_{German} One who hunted game ,a huntsman.

[marlowe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec
The Aztecs/Mexicas migrated from the north & eventually settled on a small SWAMPY island in Lake Texcoco in 1325...this island was their base for over 100 years until 1428 when they became the dominant power in central Mexico.
I read a book that I can no longer locate that said the Aztecs subsisted by eating ,fish,reptiles & pond scum while living on the island.

The Aztecs instituted the idea of continual,ongoing warfare & human sacrifice on a grand scale to keep the Sun moving across the sky.

[truth4me]

Posted by marlowe (here)
In the best selling nonfiction book The Devil in the White City the writer tells the true tale of one of America's first serial killers ,Herman Mudget,who built a "hotel" near the 1893 Chicago Worlds Fair.This "hotel" had a gas chamber,disecting table,and crematorium..where the women Mudget lured to his establishment met their deaths.

Mudget:{English} Dweller in or near a swamp....

Curmudgeon: a bad tempered ,cantankerous,difficult man....this word is related to Mudget IMO.

Lake:{English} Dweller at a dried up water course in the moors,
Leonard Lake video taped his murders in California .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Lake

Just read that wikipedia article about Lake. What's the deal with men wanting their wives to appear in porno films? seriously, I knew a guy who got mad- real mad at his wife for not having oral sex with another man for $ 20.00. I ask him why he did that and his reply was "that's 20 dollars we could have had". I tell you there is a lot of messed up people that you DON'T read about in the newspapers running around. Anyone who would "pimp"out their wife is in need of some serious mental help....