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    Lightbulb What if we could shut down Big Oil and Gas worldwide?

    What if we had a way to shut down big oil and gas, shut down fraking, kick them in the teeth economically and move out of darkness.. ??

    Is that a pipe dream?

    What if it were real?

    Could we all withstand the cut-throat manipulative SQUEEZE that they would try (that is the majors who think that they have a monopoly on hydrocarbon energy) ?

    I ask that question because I think there is a way to do that. I'll get into that shortly.

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    One of the most damaging events in history is about to hit the earth - that is deep sea and shallow continental shelf exploration for oil and gas, using what is called 3D Seismic Air-Gun explosions.

    These explosions literally harm and damage organisms from shrimp, lobsters, other crustaceans, fish and of course marine mammals such as whales and dolphins and seals.

    The industry seriously DOES NOT CARE one iota about the damage that they create or the harm that is produced by the actual search efforts.

    Off Africa right now plans are being made to create surveys literally from South Africa all the way up the Atlantic (west) side to Morocco at the Straits of Gibraltar.


    I am quite serious about this - we may very well have a way to do this. It may take a little bit of time and a lot of effort, but they can be shut down I believe.

    Is it time for this change, to say ENOUGH harm has been done worldwide. We as citizens of the World decree that BIG OIL and Gas are now dead. We have moved on.

    Are we willing to be held economically by the short hairs continually for another 100 years?

    Not me.

    By the way - 3D seismic being explosively performed off the western side of Africa WILL affect all of the region, plus as far as 4000 kilometers west... That means the fisheries off Canada, the US, the Caribbean, and of course South America.

    About 500,000 fishing families are going to be affected. Fishing drops about 80% during and shortly after these surveys.. Countless damages happen to the marine wildlife in hearing, balance, acuity in finding food, spawning for fish, and reproduction for marine mammals.

    So most of the Atlantic and South Atlantic will be affected.

    These heartless brutal devil may care attitude characters are about to harm our immediate food sources from the seas, and countless lives living within the seas.

    After this they intend to do this ON-LAND in numerous sacred and protected areas.

    Almost simultaneously, 3D seismic explosive surveying off-shore will be started off the eastern US coast of the Atlantic.

    This has to stop.

    reference data: http://chanlo.com/images/Save-Lives-now-1.pdf

    Within the 2 page PDF (please circulate to those who may be able to help) contains numerous links and outlines historically the damage we've talked about. A solution is in that document as well which needs to be fleshed out further. It is a start to gain interest.
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    What is this off-shore 3D seismic explosive surveying?


    There is a large risk of harm to the marine environment during the exploration phase if seismic airguns are used (Popper et al. 2005, Lucke et al. 2009, Oceana 2012).

    During exploration for oil and gas formations seismic airguns are towed with a vessel and release pulses of sounds from 225 to 250 decibels several times per minute (Richardson et al. 1995). To put that number in perspective, the noise from a jet engine is 140 decibels—seismic airguns are 100,000 times more intense than a jet engine. Airguns produce sound by creating a compressed air bubble, which collapses under the pressure of the water (Popper et al. 2005). The surveys off the US Atlantic coast will have on average about 20,000,000 such explosions during the surveys.

    The sound then reflects off geologic formations and is measured by hydrophone arrays towed behind a ship. The time it takes for sound to bounce back indicates the presence of oil and gas (Figure 2). These studies are often conducted continuously over the course of several weeks.

    Surface view - vessel, airgun and hydrophone "strings" extended for miles behind the ship




    The shock wave from those airguns, kills, explodes internal organs, creates embolisms.. Not good, not safe, not kind.


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    Dead plankton, stunned fish: the harms of man-made ocean noise (from June 2018 article)

    Human-caused ocean noise and its dangers to marine life are the focus of meetings at the United Nations this week, a victory for advocacy groups that have long warned of this problem.

    A boat tows 12-48 airguns at a time, each of which shoot loud blasts of compressed air. These blasts are EXPLOSIONS.

    These sound waves pass through the water and hit the seabed, and penetrate deeply, up to 20 thousands of feet into rock layers, reflecting back information about buried oil and gas deposits that can be used to create three-dimensional maps.

    The blasts are repeated every 12-15 seconds, over vast areas of the ocean at high volume, sometimes for weeks on end. The high volume damages internal structure of that which is in the seas, from the plankton which are the building blocks for higher life forms (food), through the larger organisms such as fish and marine mammals.

    With that much penetration energy, what happens to ANYTHING in the water subject to the shock waves?

    A review of 115 studies done mainly in the 1990s and 2000s, showed the effects of ocean noise on 66 species of fish and 36 kinds of invertebrates, or animals without a backbone.

    Zooplankton were found to be highly vulnerable to seismic blasts. A 2007 study showed that one blast, even at a lower level than those typically used in oil and gas prospecting operations, could decimate half the zooplankton in the area.

    Up to 95 percent of certain species died.

    Zooplankton form the base of the foodchain, and are vital nutrition for whales and numerous invertebrates like oysters and shrimp.

    Fish can suffer internal injuries and change their behavior. Becoming disoriented by the noise, they may swim away or freeze in place.

    According to studies in 1996 and 2012, seismic airgun blasts caused haddock and cod to flee, reducing the catch rate by 20 to 70 percent in some areas.

    Some fish swam deeper, where they could be more vulnerable, while others were caught with empty stomachs, a sign they had stopped eating.

    To date, about 130 species have been documented to be impacted.

    Necropsy analysis to brain damage from explosive shockwaves:


    Maybe you have heard about "fishing using explosives" - toss an explosive into the lake and watch all the dead fish float on the surface.. Same concept but over thousands and thousands of miles..
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    What are these creatures that can do this sort of thing, they are not human.
    Why are they on this planet.

    I can't say thanks for posting this Bob, because i can't have the word 'Thanks' connected or associated with these creatures in any way

    Well done for posting about this Bob.
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    How do we let enough people know what is actually going on.

    I have been pondering this for the longest time.

    David Icke does his best,

    Others do what they can but we are up against the manipulator's who are in their
    brainwashed millions.

    Media seems to have been bought totally.

    What can the average person do?
    Question Everything, always speak truth... Make the best of today, for there may not be a tomorrow!!! But, that's OK because tomorrow never comes, so we have nothing to worry about!!!

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    Quote Posted by East Sun (here)
    How do we let enough people know what is actually going on.

    I have been pondering this for the longest time.

    David Icke does his best,

    Others do what they can but we are up against the manipulator's who are in their
    brainwashed millions.

    Media seems to have been bought totally.

    What can the average person do?
    I have pondered too, and for the last 10 years actually developed a proved technology that could be used in the field in marine situations, and on land.

    http://chanlo.com/images/Save-Lives-now-1.pdf is a very basic article that I put together to educate and ask for how can we do this - what is needed, hook up with environmental groups, start a new group?

    I've spoken in the past with Sea Shepherd's Capt Paul Watson, the original founder, and with Jeff Hansen the current director whom I met in person in California at a tech breakfast (Marina del Rey, "Marina"), and we shared some questions/thoughts. One idea would be to enlist the aid of such groups. Many groups of like minds, including many personalities in music, ecology, support Sea Shepherd, whose goals are to call attention to illegal activities on the seas, to educate, and actively stop harmful aggression to innocent lives.

    The big kicker I think, I may be right or wrong on this, is to show where the energy resources are NOT present in the areas to be damaged or harmed by the abomination of 3D seismic airgun exploration. The technique that I have for many years experienced countless times is green and does not harm wildlife, and on land does not create any damage. Adapting the hardware to be sea-worthy would be part of the mobilization efforts.

    Remember the attempt in North Dakota to go up against Big Oil and the pipeline monopolies? And the tragedy ? It's going to happen again in Alaska at ANWR, the coastal plain region set aside for oil and natural gas exploitation.


    By showing NO ECONOMICAL ENERGY RESOURCES here (pointing to the areas to be explored by the "killing machines") may then let the licensing agencies who give exploration leases to say NO - don't go there.

    ANWR, the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge is a big target. So much land that has been protected has now been opened up to the damaging 3D seismic long lines survey technique, and I have seen seismic scars for instance in the Nevada deserts, the dry lake beds which still show damage 32 years later (from when the exploration was done back then)..

    For ANWR, Fish and WildLife has expressed an interest in stopping and not approving any existing 3D seismic long lines explorations.

    Local indigenous Alaskans who have lived in the area for a long time, who are the stewards of the area have expressed interest in stopping the exploration.


    US government BLM has said "drill baby drill" and is pushing hard for the groups to come in and bid on who can do the damage and get drilling fast.. (leasing would be their first step, paying some small fees for access)..

    Getting in there under the blessing of Fish and WildLife and the local stewardship groups and PROVING that there ARE NO ENERGY RESOURCES HERE to be exploited should be cause enough to STOP the 3D seismic long lines damage, and stop any wild-cat drilling by the majors.

    This is going on around the world, speculation, then drilling then more exploitation, then more damage, more harm.

    We could even show the damage done by well fracking which has contaminated water supplies, by the frack water seeping into the "formation of interest" and flowing back UP old wells which may be leaking in their so called "sealed casings" which go through the water table. That IS how by the way, that deep formations being fracked, thousands of feet below the water table actually can contaminate the water table -


    (click here for full sized http://chanlo.com/images/frack-1.jpg image)

    it is the OLD WELLS that are being fed from the new well pushing frack water into the production FORMATION, and because of poor "plugging and abandoning" practices for old wells, or even old unknown wells which were never on the modern books which got overlooked, that become the source of the contamination - from the bottom UP they contaminate.. Some of those old wells go back to the late 1800's and early 1900's - HARDLY did they have proper control back then to stop bottom-up contamination... Nobody thought about what industry does today back then...

    video - graphic content - Japanese abomination, filmed by the Australian Government


    The point being when "economics" and "attitude" come into the mix, those who suffer are those whom 'they' feel won't fight back, won't take a stand, can't express themselves to convey that they are and have been abused by the "elite" who feel they own the world and everyone and everything in it. In there mind we are there to be eaten, consumed, raped and tossed aside.

    Big oil and gas have no care (Cremation of Care comes to mind) about all that they harm, will harm and have harmed.

    There are those who have and are saying enough.. the harm will only get worse, not better if the explosive seismic 3D longlines offshore surveying continues - the onshore surveying is as bad.
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    What if we had a way to shut down big oil and gas, shut down fraking, kick them in the teeth economically and move out of darkness.. ??
    Is that a pipe dream? What if it were real?


    I think it is an unrealistic dream , Bob . Certainly this side of Heaven .
    The human species works through the system of Hierarchies and the one time they tried a large scale paradigm shift, it led to at least 100 million deaths . They called it Communism which is the old fashioned label for Socialism aka Globalism .
    Of course the present system works appallingly but that's what happens when so many appalling people reach the top spots .
    Unfortunately it is likely far better to work from the inside of the current model and aim for fundamental change , albeit over many generations .
    Ridding ourselves of our current model in revolutionary terms would possibly directly lead to the deaths of many Billions of people .And then you would still face the same problem , but from the inevitable new hierarchy probably manipulated by the Usual Suspects from the present .imho

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    2 ships on fire in Kerch strait, after b
    last reportedly rocks one of them - Russian Maritime Agency
    Published time: 21 Jan, 2019 16:09 Edited time: 21 Jan, 2019 16:15
    Just breaking News : Bob might know of a more appropriate thread ?
    At any rate, if this gets out of hand, it might prempt WW Oil distribution ?

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    2 ships on fire in Kerch strait, after b
    last reportedly rocks one of them - Russian Maritime Agency
    Published time: 21 Jan, 2019 16:09 Edited time: 21 Jan, 2019 16:15
    Just breaking News : Bob might know of a more appropriate thread ?
    At any rate, if this gets out of hand, it might prempt WW Oil distribution ?

    Both vessels were flying Tanzanian flags. One of them was reportedly transporting liquefied natural gas.

    Maritime traffic was not affected by the incident and navigation through the Kerch Strait is still open, the director of the Crimean Sea Ports said.

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    ... the one time they tried a large scale paradigm shift, it led to at least 100 million deaths . They called it Communism which is the old fashioned label for Socialism aka Globalism .
    ...
    Well, that prompts me to create a post about the labels used - and misused - for political ideologies and for economic paradigms. Communism DOES NOT EQUAL socialism DOES NOT EQUAL globalism. Those are three COMPLETELY separate and completely different concepts. In a world of propaganda deliberately full of Orwellian doublespeak, we should be keen to take back the language.

    Ownership and total control of "the globe" (Earth) by a tiny group (closer to 0.01% than 1% of Earth's population) is globalism. It benefits "the few", the 0.01% and their minions. Communism and socialism are political ideology concepts that are just the opposite: whether or not you like the concept or not, its aim is to benefit the other 99.99% of humanity.

    While I take the time to compose that post, I would ask you to try to imagine what would be the most frightening concept to the handful of people who "own" the world and everything and everyone in it. The Global Ruling Families, Big Old Money, the Financial and Power Elite of Earth. What concept scares them to the marrow of their bones? What concept would prompt them to start global wars to protect their fortunes, their empires?


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    What if we had a way to shut down big oil and gas, shut down fraking, kick them in the teeth economically and move out of darkness.. ??
    Is that a pipe dream? What if it were real?


    I think it is an unrealistic dream , Bob . Certainly this side of Heaven .
    The human species works through the system of Hierarchies and the one time they tried a large scale paradigm shift, it led to at least 100 million deaths . They called it Communism which is the old fashioned label for Socialism aka Globalism .
    Of course the present system works appallingly but that's what happens when so many appalling people reach the top spots .
    Unfortunately it is likely far better to work from the inside of the current model and aim for fundamental change , albeit over many generations .
    Ridding ourselves of our current model in revolutionary terms would possibly directly lead to the deaths of many Billions of people .And then you would still face the same problem , but from the inevitable new hierarchy probably manipulated by the Usual Suspects from the present .imho
    I get your point - and I did try working within the current model. My first work within the model was the "location and determination system" designed to help people stay safe. It was taken by "the system" and used to control "smart bombs". I tried within the music industry to bring forth evolutionary eye opening spirit opening consciousness expansion, working again, within the system and found to make any change one had to get in bed with the mafioso type of control, the ones who eventually took the life of Michael Jackson, of Prince, and of John Lennon comes to mind and 'they' won't allow anyone working within the system to move up and make change for the better - they are the elites and of the elite crowd, humans are convenient slaves designed for only one thing, to serve them. So I looked at the current source of manipulation within the motive system driving the planes trains and found a better way to get dirty dark energy for that system for 10 years, only to again find the system ruled by the elite, the vested interests who once again consider mankind to be a tasty source of sucking emotion from, sucking work from, sucking IP from, all to allow them more embedded slavery hooks.

    Working from the inside doesn't work is the point - tried that since 1969, it doesn't work. Here's some of my observations about where the elite are, the elite controllers, those who keep it close to the belt, and have only malice and averice in their hearts: We've had working clean fusion since 1966, not the nasty neutron type. We've had anti-gravity to my knowledge since the mid 70's. We've had ways to put out forest fires since the mid 1970's, we've had teleportation technology since the 1940's and made workable since the 1950's. And we've had weapons so awful so destructive to take matter itself apart, and direct such through everything only to materialize at a desired location, and make things turn to dust. We've had matter replication since the 1950's, including the ability to "make gold" cheaply, or any other precious atom (I watched friends die horribly when they talked about how to do that)... And the system of the elite persists because people are lead to believe that all the above, can't possibly exist, can't possibly be there, that the elite have a heart in there somewhere, and actually spiritually they don't. That's working from within the system.

    Finding the way to economically bring forth the alternative, for instance I've seen a replacement for the automobile engine, based on electrical, where the electrical comes from a plug in module easily replaceable once a month, very much like a powerpack, call it a "spark plug" - a vehicle range of 10,000 miles if that is what they want per replacement at highway speeds, not needed to recharge, just replace at one's fueling station, clean.. But that allows for freedom of movement for persons and for commerce. Who does that kick in the teeth, but the elite monopolists holding onto darkness as their way of abuse to the rest of humanity, and the rest of the world's life (in the seas, in the air)..

    There are very heavy duty high power alternatives able to switch all of the hydrocarbon based systems over, virtually within a few years. It's the elite mind that needs changing, and the People in my opinion need to be willing to want freedom and be willing to live - live cleanly, live with understanding each other's personal issues, loves, joys and tears and failings.. the concept we are all in this together comes to mind, and my dear friend that uttered such to me a bit ago, was found murdered - he was into alternative medicine with some very major breakthroughs where he was going to work within the system and kick big pharma in the teeth.. working within the system doesn't work.
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    Quote Posted by ripple (here)
    ... the one time they tried a large scale paradigm shift, it led to at least 100 million deaths . They called it Communism which is the old fashioned label for Socialism aka Globalism .
    ...
    Well, that prompts me to create a post about the labels used - and misused - for political ideologies and for economic paradigms. Communism DOES NOT EQUAL socialism DOES NOT EQUAL globalism. Those are three COMPLETELY separate and completely different concepts. In a world of propaganda deliberately full of Orwellian doublespeak, we should be keen to take back the language.

    Ownership and total control of "the globe" (Earth) by a tiny group (closer to 0.01% than 1% of Earth's population) is globalism. It benefits "the few", the 0.01% and their minions. Communism and socialism are political ideology concepts that are just the opposite: whether or not you like the concept or not, its aim is to benefit the other 99.99% of humanity.

    While I take the time to compose that post, I would ask you to try to imagine what would be the most frightening concept to the handful of people who "own" the world and everything and everyone in it. The Global Ruling Families, Big Old Money, the Financial and Power Elite of Earth. What concept scares them to the marrow of their bones? What concept would prompt them to start global wars to protect their fortunes, their empires?
    The Communist model only served to benefit the Elite and killed a generally accepted 100 million . Today the Elite have simply re-shaped and updated their model . It is Global ownership for the benefit , safety and security of everybody .
    And if you believe that , you will probably believe anything .
    Pseudo social scientists might debate the niceties of notional theoretical label differences but over 7.3 billion people are only concerned with consequences , imho
    As for , What would frighten the Elite ? I think asking them is more relevant but my hunch is that global wars will never be considered . However area conflicts make much better sense for them . That is , business as usual .

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    2 ships on fire in Kerch strait, after b
    last reportedly rocks one of them - Russian Maritime Agency
    Published time: 21 Jan, 2019 16:09 Edited time: 21 Jan, 2019 16:15
    Just breaking News : Bob might know of a more appropriate thread ?
    At any rate, if this gets out of hand, it might preempt WW Oil distribution ?
    Hmm - well, it is an energy discussion, as Dennis mentions and I've mentioned there are elitists who maintain and watch to see that status-quo is maintained, the humanity is under the thumb, and no thing will appear to allow the power to shift.

    Power over the people (not Power TO the People) is the focus of those folk, and they look at perceived values of substances (materialism and resource squandering) and manipulate shortages by inducing disasters.

    In medicine it is a shortage of drugs, in energy it is a shortage of oil (Nixon era was very much into that manipulation), to put cash resources into the hands of the controllers.

    The purpose of the thread is to also focus on can the oilers be shut down by making the EXPLORATION which kills and harms life uneconomical, by publishing before 3D seismic airgun surveying happens, that there is no oil, no gas, no resources in an area. Hit the explorers in the pocket book and hit the takers of the "oil" in the pocket book - why pay for surveying when there is nothing there? That is the logic for offshore and on-shore. Show that it is NOT there.
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    What if we had a way to shut down big oil and gas, shut down fraking, kick them in the teeth economically and move out of darkness.. ??
    Is that a pipe dream? What if it were real?


    I think it is an unrealistic dream , Bob . Certainly this side of Heaven .
    The human species works through the system of Hierarchies and the one time they tried a large scale paradigm shift, it led to at least 100 million deaths . They called it Communism which is the old fashioned label for Socialism aka Globalism .
    Of course the present system works appallingly but that's what happens when so many appalling people reach the top spots .
    Unfortunately it is likely far better to work from the inside of the current model and aim for fundamental change , albeit over many generations .
    Ridding ourselves of our current model in revolutionary terms would possibly directly lead to the deaths of many Billions of people .And then you would still face the same problem , but from the inevitable new hierarchy probably manipulated by the Usual Suspects from the present .imho
    I get your point - and I did try working within the current model. My first work within the model was the "location and determination system" designed to help people stay safe. It was taken by "the system" and used to control "smart bombs". I tried within the music industry to bring forth evolutionary eye opening spirit opening consciousness expansion, working again, within the system and found to make any change one had to get in bed with the mafioso type of control, the ones who eventually took the life Michael Jackson, Prince, comes to mind and 'they' won't allow anyone working within the system to move up - they are the elites and of the elite crowd, humans are convenient slaves designed for only one thing, to serve them. So I looked at the current source of manipulation within the motive system driving the planes trains and found a better way to get dirty dark energy for that system for 10 years, only to again find the system ruled by the elite, the vested interests who once again consider mankind to be a tasty source of sucking emotion from, sucking work from, sucking IP from, all to allow them more embedded slavery hooks.

    Working from the inside doesn't work is the point - tried that since 1969, it doesn't work. Here's some of my observations about where the elite are, the elite controllers, those who keep it close to the belt, and have only malice and averice in their hearts: We've had working clean fusion since 1966, not the nasty neutron type. We've had anti-gravity to my knowledge since the mid 70's. We've had ways to put out forest fires since the mid 1970's, we've had teleportation technology since the 1940's and made workable since the 1950's. And we've had weapons so awful so destructive to take matter itself apart, and direct such through everything only to materialize at a desired location, and make things turn to dust. We've had matter replication since the 1950's, including the ability to "make gold" cheaply, or any other precious atom (I watched friends die horribly when they talked about how to do that)... And the system of the elite persists because people are lead to believe that all the above, can't possibly exist, can't possibly be there, that the elite have a heart in there somewhere, and actually spiritually they don't. That's working from within the system.

    Finding the way to economically bring forth the alternative, for instance I've seen a replacement for the automobile engine, based on electrical, where the electrical comes from a plug in module easily replaceable once a month, very much like a powerpack, call it a "spark plug" - a vehicle range of 10,000 miles if that is what they want per replacement at highway speeds, not needed to recharge, just replace at one's fueling station, clean.. But that allows for freedom of movement for persons and for commerce. Who does that kick in the teeth, but the elite monopolists holding onto darkness as their way of abuse to the rest of humanity, and the rest of the world's life (in the seas, in the air)..

    There are very heavy duty high power alternatives able to switch all of the hydrocarbon based systems over, virtually within a few years. It's the elite mind that needs changing, and the People in my opinion need to be willing to want freedom and be willing to live - live cleanly, live with understanding each other's personal issues, loves, joys and tears and failings.. the concept we are all in this together comes to mind, and my dear friend that uttered such to me a bit ago, was found murdered - he was into alternative medicine with some very major breakthroughs where he was going to work within the system and kick big pharma in the teeth.. working within the system doesn't work.


    I found your post considered , interesting and founded on compassion mixed with pragmatism .
    I would love to agree with your carefully developed strategies .
    However , I do not share your belief in the ability of the 'Sheeple" to change and ' spiritually ' expand en masse . And the chances of the Elite changing to the degree I think you require is zero , imo . We label a very high proportion of Elites as Sociopaths at best and Psychopaths at worst . The only way you change these latter types is via major brain surgery . Not something I expect you to be sympathetic toward .
    My suggestion will doubtless be reviled here but I see no alternative other than using precisely the same methods the Elite use , to eliminate the opposition as per Chess game principles . A " Sheeple" execution division no less . Fight fire with fire .
    It means that Sheeple need to develop the capacity to see and gain the strength to have an effective strategy to shape future replacement hierarchies, because once again those that can most efficiently run hierarchies will rise to the top .They need to develop their own Intelligence Agencies in direct response to Deep state comparable institutions .
    Sounds messy and horrible but unless you believe in a Ghandi type moment involving millions of ordinary people , you will have to make do with re - defining Good and Evil and fighting not praying . Or fighting and praying .

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    Major brain surgery - you know, what if that technology in a unique form existed as old as 5400 years ago, in the MidEast, and was again controlled by the elite back then.. Until their technology was taken apart by a warring counter faction.. There was still no Power to the People. I agree with you once again, defining good + education + change + maintenance, plus at the FIRST sign of elitist abomination, be it scientific (fall of Atlantis-like mindsets), or economic (we could see wonderful posts by many very well brilliant people here be part of the discussion), or medical, or telecommunications.. Communist still shows an elitist mentality somewhere in the system or a rule by an elite committee..

    As a matter of fact, I gave one of the elitist oilers a phone call last night just to test the waters so to speak *his family was involved with Nixon's giving away of the US technology to China, was instrumental in the Council of Foreign Relations, and had major inroads into world wide farming - nothing changed with him, but he revealed even more so of their mentality, his mentality and his attempts to once again "steal light" - as you say, brain surgery... my point being even that is available to be done with the right system in place - if the People (call them scared mentally programmed by the education systems, by family reinforcing "beliefs", by the slave-wage system) can actually understand, which things like these Forums are about, with intelligent, thought provoking dialogs, which do in-fact educate and OFFER solutions, step-wise..

    I think we can. And most certainly there are ways to do "brain surgery". I could tell you stories over a beer one day.
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    Traction
    Judge issues order halting BOEM Mid-Atlantic OCS seismic preparation

    A federal judge in South Carolina issued an injunction stopping the US Bureau of Ocean Energy Management’s processing of applications for offshore oil and gas seismic permits on the US Mid-Atlantic Outer Continental Shelf during the federal government’s partial shutdown.

    US District Judge Richard M. Gergel issued his Jan. 18 order after South Carolina Atty. Gen. Alan Wilson brought the situation to his attention following reports that BOEM employees were continuing preparation of the permits while much of the rest of the US Department of the Interior was closed.

    It's a start.. Point being, one must change the viewpoint inside for the actualization to happen on the outside..

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    It's a start.. Point being, one must change the viewpoint inside for the actualization to happen on the outside..
    isn't the USA now gas and oil self sufficient and a net exporter ?
    Might that be the underlying reason for the decision ?
    Too much flow and prices could slip below the level that is deemed most advantageous.
    Sorry if that sounds dreary and negative but key decisions nearly always follow the money . imho .

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    Yes, energy self sufficient in oil and gas, but the US itself, really is truly not self sufficient but energy is being controlled as to sales and distributions by multi-national mega-corporations with no loyalty to the People or the US.

    And their intent is to with hold product from the People. And set the prices and set the rate of production and shortages. The energy is being sold sourced from the US waters and onshore to foreigners, and other nations are benefiting, not the US - so the concept by the majors is, destroy life in the seas or land, take the resources, sell such to everyone who will pay (foreigners).. The majors don't care who or what they harm.

    I agree completely, follow the money... in oil and gas it is about discovery, and not wasting money exploring where there would only be a loss if they explore in that area..
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    Yes, energy self sufficient in oil and gas, but the US itself, really is truly not self sufficient but energy is being controlled as to sales and distributions by multi-national mega-corporations with no loyalty to the People or the US.

    And their intent is to with hold product from the People. And set the prices and set the rate of production and shortages. The energy is being sold sourced from the US waters and onshore to foreigners, and other nations are benefiting, not the US - so the concept by the majors is, destroy life in the seas or land, take the resources, sell such to everyone who will pay (foreigners).. The majors don't care who or what they harm.

    I agree completely, follow the money... in oil and gas it is about discovery, and not wasting money exploring where there would only be a loss if they explore in that area..

    I think we are agreeing on many matters and essentially only finding issue over the ways in which we should best choose for radically changing the status quo .
    The problems thrown up by the comparative recent emergence of global companies with individual global operation turnover greater than most major country GDPs, are daunting . IMHO it is the clearest example of Globalism in practise and now we have at least two power/ wealth platforms in each country -- the official government and a shadow platform of loosely connected global operations , and most critically Banks , Energy Resources and Distribution Networks both for goods and information . One key difference between these two platforms is that the shadow operations are more directly and efficiently related to each other than for official individual countries .
    The so called free world has no idea how to handle this new situation but is recognising that its days are more and more hard to handle unless regulation on a huge scale emerges very quickly .
    If you have followed me this far you will agree that the 99% cannot overthrow the Globalists by tearing down official national governments . They are not actually the real enemy and problem .
    The only way to be able to successfully take down the real enemy , the shadow platform , is by retrieving and monopolising the Information network . As the "Bad Boys " have done from at least 1947 when the Intelligence Agencies became dedicated to this goal .
    Therefore ,
    You are right to rail against a 3D Seismic Air -Gun Explosive Technology . And victories are applauded . But we need to hit at the core of the problem because on a battle basis , you will be allowed to win a few , providing the War is never seriously at risk of loss .

    Putting it another way :you can win or think that you have won important battles but if you are not fighting and winning the war to take back control of the Information network , you are wasting your time .
    And this is the one area where I chide Trump the most -- assuming him to be more on the side of ordinary people than not .
    He has failed to introduce new TV and 'News Paper alternatives , failed to introduce regular chats to the nation ,.failed to kick out the press from daily WH briefings and failed to use Twtter etc super aggressively BUT without name calling .

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    What if we had a way to shut down big oil and gas, shut down fraking, kick them in the teeth economically and move out of darkness.. ??

    Is that a pipe dream?
    I don't think it's a pipe dream at all! It's just a matter of looking really really far into the future. This article is from a year ago sounds optimistic, "
    Britain to ban sale of all diesel and petrol cars and vans from 2040"


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    How do we let enough people know what is actually going on.

    I have been pondering this for the longest time.

    David Icke does his best,

    Others do what they can but we are up against the manipulator's who are in their
    brainwashed millions.

    Media seems to have been bought totally.

    What can the average person do?
    Maybe the better question would be "How do we let the ones who are able to do something about it know what's actually going on?"

    The ones who already know are clearly not doing anything about it. That can only go on for so long before they realize that "not speaking up" is the wrong choice.

    Not to imply us "average people" are insignificant, because we're not.

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