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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Alarmist title of "14 million doses", that's 1 pellet inside a bag of 20... reduces to 700K bags... let's say 2 bags per individual... that's for only 350,000 people...
    Well said Amzer Zo.

    14 million is magically transformed, by calmly thinking about it, to 350,000...

    I would imagine that would be a fairly normal purchase amount from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

    Though of course there is always the chance that a false flag operation could be run with "terrorists" attacking the Daiichi NPS (this has been backgrounded already by TEPCO, the NRA & Japanese Government) and all the associated misinformation & fear being channelled into any number of scenarios.

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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    Study: Dead sea creatures cover 98 percent of ocean floor off California coast; up from one percent before Fukushima

    Friday 3rd January 2014 at 03:45 By David Icke







    ‘The Pacific Ocean appears to be dying, according to a new study recently published
    in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Scientists from the
    Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute (MBARI) in California recently
    discovered that the number of dead sea creatures blanketing the floor of the Pacific
    is higher than it has ever been in the 24 years that monitoring has taken place, a
    phenomenon that the data suggests is a direct consequence of nuclear fallout from
    Fukushima.

    Though the researchers involved with the work have been reluctant to pin
    Fukushima as a potential cause — National Geographic, which covered the study
    recently, did not even mention Fukushima — the timing of the discovery suggests
    that Fukushima is, perhaps, the cause. According to the data, this sudden explosion
    in so-called “sea snot,” which is the name given to the masses of dead sea
    creatures that sink to the ocean floor as food, has skyrocketed since the Fukushima
    incident occurred.’

    "In the 24 years of this study, the past two years have been the biggest amounts of
    this detritus by far," stated Christine Huffard, a marine biologist at MBARI and
    leader of the study, to National Geographic.

    At an ocean research station known as Station M, located 145 miles out to sea
    between the Californian cities of Santa Barbara and Monterey, Huffard and her
    colleague Ken Smith observed a sharp uptick in the amount of dead sea life drifting
    to the ocean floor. The masses of dead sea plankton, jellyfish, feces and other
    oceanic matter that typically only cover about 1 percent of the ocean floor were
    found to now be covering about 98 percent of it -- and multiple other stations
    located throughout the Pacific have since reported similar figures.

    "In March 2012, less than one percent of the seafloor beneath Station M was
    covered in dead sea salps," writes Carrie Arnold for National Geographic. "By July
    1, more than 98 percent of it was covered in the decomposing organisms. ... The
    major increase in activity of deep-sea life in 2011 and 2012 weren't limit to Station
    M, though: Other ocean-research stations reported similar data."


    No more sea life means no more oxygen in our atmosphere

    Interestingly, Arnold does not even make a peep about Fukushima, which by all
    common sense is the most reasonable explanation for this sudden increase in dead
    sea life. Though the most significant increases were observed roughly a year after
    the incident, the study makes mention of the fact that the problems first began in
    2011.

    "Forget looking at global warming as the culprit," writes National Geographic
    commenter "Grammy," pointing out the lunacy of Arnold's implication that the now-
    debunked global warming myth was the sudden cause of a 9,700 percent increase
    in dead sea life.

    Backing her up, another National Geographic commenter jokingly stated that
    somehow "the earth took such a huge hit in a four-month timeframe of a meltdown
    via global warming and we as a people didn't recognize this while [it was]
    happening; while coincidentally during that same time frame the event at
    Fukushima took place."

    It is almost as if the powers that be want us all to forget about Fukushima and the
    catastrophic damage it continues to cause to our planet. But they will not be able to
    cover up the truth forever, as human life is dependent upon healthy oceans, the life
    of which provides the oxygen that we all need to breathe and survive.

    Learn more:

    http://www.naturalnews.com/043380_Fu...#ixzz2pLshfy1l



    Read more: Study: Dead sea creatures cover 98 percent of ocean floor off California coast; up from one percent before Fukushima

    http://www.naturalnews.com/043380_Fu...ean_life.html#
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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

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    Study: Dead sea creatures cover 98 percent of ocean floor off California coast; up from one percent before Fukushima

    Friday 3rd January 2014 at 03:45 By David Icke





    ‘The Pacific Ocean appears to be dying, according to a new study recently published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Scientists from the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute (MBARI) in California recently discovered that the number of dead sea creatures blanketing the floor of the Pacific is higher than it has ever been in the 24 years that monitoring has taken place, a phenomenon that the data suggests is a direct consequence of nuclear fallout from Fukushima.

    Though the researchers involved with the work have been reluctant to pin Fukushima as a potential cause — National Geographic, which covered the study recently, did not even mention Fukushima — the timing of the discovery suggests that Fukushima is, perhaps, the cause.
    HUGE logical fallacy here...
    CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION

    I'd bet National Geographic didn't mention Fukushima because.... FUKUSHIMA wasn't involved!






    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    No more sea life means no more oxygen in our atmosphere
    Really? Do you know that phytoplankton are what produce the majority of the 50-80% of the 02 in the earths atmosphere (not all, but a significant amount) and there was zero mention of that in the article...

    the "dead stuff" you are talking about actually take 02 OUT of the water and produce C02... so even your logical fallacy here (firstly assuming there will be no sea life based on this one data point, second that the sea life they are talking about equates to ALL sea life)

    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Interestingly, Arnold does not even make a peep about Fukushima, which by all common sense is the most reasonable explanation for this sudden increase in dead sea life. Though the most significant increases were observed roughly a year after the incident, the study makes mention of the fact that the problems first began in 2011.
    again, huge logical fallacy there... if "all common sense" points to fukushima, then "all common sense" is untrustworthy and heavily flawed.

    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    "Forget looking at global warming as the culprit," writes National Geographic commenter "Grammy," pointing out the lunacy of Arnold's implication that the now-debunked global warming myth was the sudden cause of a 9,700 percent increase in dead sea life.

    Backing her up, another National Geographic commenter jokingly stated that somehow "the earth took such a huge hit in a four-month timeframe of a meltdown via global warming and we as a people didn't recognize this while [it was] happening; while coincidentally during that same time frame the event at Fukushima took place."

    It is almost as if the powers that be want us all to forget about Fukushima and the catastrophic damage it continues to cause to our planet. But they will not be able to cover up the truth forever, as human life is dependent upon healthy oceans, the life of which provides the oxygen that we all need to breathe and survive.
    Please show me 1 example of the catastrophic (or even just "regular) damage that fukushima is causing and has caused in the last 2 years.

    or are you just guessing?


    what you are doing here is furthering the huge disinfo campaign surrounding this topic, posts like this are detrimental to anyone who reads them and quite frankly I feel obligated to point this out.


    I see a disturbing lack of due-diligence to this topic, a disturbing amount of logical fallacy in play (deception, in other words) and I feel like saying "shame on you".

    if you want to believe in the tooth fairy, go for it, but spreading that belief does not help anyone.

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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    Quote HUGE logical fallacy here...
    CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION

    I'd bet National Geographic didn't mention Fukushima because.... FUKUSHIMA wasn't involved!
    I thought you would like this post Targe .... I posted it as it is was on Davids site .At least it gives you
    a chance to refute it....LOL

    I noticed the main insinuation to Fukishima was the timing. I'm presuming the author at Natural News
    is not stupid so added it to the debate. But you know more about this than me, so if its a load of
    old 'sea snot' so be it , but its recorded for others to consider....


    Quote “In the 24 years of this study, the past 2 years have been the biggest
    amounts of this detritus by far,” said study leader Christine Huffard, a marine
    biologist at the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute in California.
    This is the coincidental bit .........
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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    This is the National Geographic take inferring global warming and ocean acidification .....




    Posted by Carrie Arnold in Weird & Wild on November 22, 2013





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    It’s a feast of epic proportions. Storms of “sea snot”—a mix of dead plankton and
    gelatinous sea creatures, and their feces—drift to the ocean floor, where deep-sea
    organisms gobble up the sudden windfall.

    But these snotty blizzards aren’t just an occasional bonus to life at the bottom of
    the ocean—new research shows they depend on it to stay alive.


    Image courtesy Arne Diercks“Sea snot” seen in the Gulf of Mexico in 2010. Image courtesy Arne Diercks

    The scientists found that not long after sea snot blooms drift to the seafloor, the
    activity of these deep-sea critters accelerated. (See “Giant, Mucus-Like Sea Blobs
    on the Rise, Pose Danger.”)

    Global warming and ocean acidification, however, may be increasing the frequency
    of these sea snot storms, which could have unforeseen effects on marine life by
    altering how nutrients move around the oceans.


    “In the 24 years of this study, the past 2 years have been the biggest amounts of
    this detritus by far,” said study leader Christine Huffard, a marine biologist at the
    Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute in California.

    Marine Banquet

    With lead author Ken Smith, Huffard and colleagues were interested in learning how
    deep-sea marine life uses carbon and other elements, so they turned to Station M,
    which is located 145 miles (220 kilometers) west of the coast of California (map)
    between Santa Barbara and Monterey.

    Although it sounds more like a secret CIA hideout than an ocean-research area,
    Station M has been giving scientists data on ocean productivity for two decades.

    The ocean is most productive at the surface, where algae and phytoplankton use
    the sun’s energy to photosynthesize, creating a large portion of our atmosphere’s
    oxygen. Other animals, like slimy sea salps—barrel-shaped, jellyfish-like
    organisms—feed on the phytoplankton. (Related: “Huge Swarm of Gelatinous Sea
    Creatures Imaged in 3-D.”)

    Somewhat regularly, large blooms of phytoplankton cover large areas of the
    ocean’s surface, which in turn boosts populations of sea salps that gorge on the
    giant marine banquet.

    Eventually, however, all good things come to an end. The phytoplankton eventually
    dies off, and so do the hordes of sea salps.

    “Anything that was once living or breathing or had been eaten at the surface makes
    its way to the bottom of the ocean,” Huffard said. “The sea salps sink pretty quickly
    because they’re very dense, but even fecal pellets from zooplankton fall to the
    seafloor.” (See pictures of deep-sea creatures.)

    Tracking Oxygen

    All of this feasting—and the digesting that follows—requires significant amounts of
    oxygen. So, using a special deep-sea robot, Huffard and colleagues measured the
    oxygen used by this deep sea life and the subsequent carbon it produces (as
    proteins and cells) to determine its activity level.

    Their data revealed small seasonal increases in the activity of deep-sea organisms
    after spring and fall phytoplankton blooms.Huffard points out that the use of
    oxygen and carbon levels to measure deep-sea productivity does have limitations.
    Perhaps the biggest one is that the method can’t tell whether the number of deep-
    sea organisms has increased, or if they’re just more active and thus producing
    more carbon.

    Mysterious Explosions

    Global warming may also be influencing the rhythm of sea snot explosions. For
    instance, warmer oceans may encourage the growth of more phytoplankton. The
    scientists observed the largest spikes in deep-sea productivity in 2011 and 2012,
    corresponding with massive phytoplankton blooms. (Also see “‘Sea Snot’ Explosion
    Caused by Gulf Oil Spill?”)

    In March 2012, less than one percent of the seafloor beneath Station M was
    covered in dead sea salps. By July 1, more than 98 percent of it was covered in the
    decomposing organisms, according to the study, published this week in the
    Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

    The major increase in activity of deep-sea life in 2011 and 2012 weren’t limited to
    Station M, though: Other ocean-research stations reported similar data.

    Although climate change is a leading contender for explaining the major increases
    in 2011 and 2012, Huffard says that these spikes could be part of a longer-term
    trend that scientists haven’t yet observed.

    She hopes to continue gathering data from Station M to try and figure it out.

    Follow Carrie Arnold on Twitter and Google+.

    http://newswatch.nationalgeographic....sea-creatures/
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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    I don't think the local fisherman would agree...

    Quote Please show me 1 example of the catastrophic (or even just "regular) damage that fukushima is causing and has caused in the last 2 years.



    Japanese fishermen face new setback with latest Fukushima leak

    (CBS News) FUKUSHIMA, Japan -- There's been another leak at the Fukushima
    nuclear plant in Japan. Operators said Tuesday that 80,000 gallons of highly
    radioactive water escaped from a storage tank. That's on top of a massive leak that
    was discovered last month. All of this has devastated Japan's fishing industry.



    Hiroaki Adachi

    Hiroaki Adachi/ CBS News

    The fishermen's haul on the day we met them was a good one -- good, at least, for
    fishermen in Fukushima.Octopus is among the only seafood deemed safe enough to
    eat from these waters. For more than a year after the March 2011 earthquake and
    tsunami that destroyed Fukushima, they weren't allowed to fish at all.

    In late July, they learned the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant was leaking
    radioactive water. Seventy-five-thousand gallons a day poured into the Pacific near
    where they'd just begun to fish again in June 2012. Most of the fish was considered
    too dangerous to eat.

    "It seems like we took one step forward and as soon as things were getting
    brighter, the leakage put a damper on it," Hiroaki Adachi told us.

    Japan opens beaches near damaged power plant

    Fukushima nuclear plant shutdown may take Japan longer than predicted 40 years
    Water, rats, outages: Japan nuke plant precarious.Two years later, Japan seethes
    at tsunami recovery

    Before the earthquake, there used to be 400 fishermen in this association. Today
    there are just 130. But the really surprising number is they used to haul in around
    19,000 tons of fish a year. Today they bring in just 300 tons -- that's just two percent of the catch.



    Kazuko Matsui

    Kazuko Matsui/ CBS News


    With much of the catch still off limits, Hiroaki Adachi says he earns 10 percent of
    what he used to. To survive, he's relied on compensation payments from the Tokyo
    Electric Power Company, which owns the nuclear plant.


    "Now, after the announcement of the leaking," he told us, "I have doubts that our
    fish is 100 percent safe to eat."


    But the fishermen's collective in this prefecture, or county, of Japan tests all the
    fish they catch for radioactive cesium and other contaminants. So far, in one type
    of octopus, none have been detected.


    Watch: Japan fishing crippled 2 years after nuclear meltdown, below.







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    Japan fishing crippled 2 years after nuclear meltdown



    Those test results are displayed along with the octopus at the local supermarket.
    Shopper Kazuko Matsui said she was confident enough to feed it to her
    grandchildren.

    "I think it's safe to eat, and I want to get rid of the bad rumors," she told us. "I'm
    local, so we should eat it to prove how safe it is."

    But the dangers are far more evident. Today only 16 types of fish are considered
    safe to catch here, compared with 150 types they caught before the disaster.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/japanese...ukushima-leak/
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    ‘Fukushima fish ends in garbage’: Radioactive fears blight Japan’s seafood industry




    Published time: December 25, 2013 13:58
    Edited time: December 27, 2013 09:33


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    Due to radiation fears, Fukushima Prefecture fishermen have to dump most of their
    catch. Two years into the nuclear disaster, the world is growing weary of Japan’s
    seafood, with South Korea even banning Japanese fish and seafood imports.

    Fish has traditionally not only been an integral part of Japanese food culture, but
    also one of its prized exports. In 2011, before the Fukushima disaster, Japan
    maintained one of the world's largest fishing fleets and accounted for almost 15
    percent of global catches, according to Forbes.

    However, there are serious concerns now, although the industry seems to be on a
    slow, but sure recovery route.

    The concerns mainly arise over catches made in the waters close to the Fukushima
    nuclear power plant. After it was established that the hydraulic system at the
    Fukushima nuclear power plant was severely irradiated, fears grew that the
    contamination could spread into the Pacific.

    “There is significant contamination in the bottom segment, especially in the pond
    and the river system, where we can find a very high amount of radioactive cesium
    accumulated,” Yamashike Yosuke, Environmental Engineering Professor at Kyoto
    University, told RT.

    Many Japanese seafood firms are under threat as there are five prefectures possibly
    affected by contamination in the sea, accounting for almost 40,000 tons of fish per
    year, RT’s Aleksey Yaroshevsky reports from Soma, a coastal town in the
    Fukushima prefecture.

    Fish factories around the Fukushima prefecture now have to take radiation
    measurements.

    “We’re taking samples from every catch we make and if we ever find even the
    slightest trace of radiation, we’ll destroy the whole catch. So far there has been
    none, this fish is safe,” Akihisa Sato assured RT, a worker in a fish laboratory in
    Soma, Japan.

    But Japanese fishermen can’t convince customers that their fish is safe, even
    though the authorities insist they're doing their best to show they've got a grip on
    the problem. In September, South Korea became the first country to ban seafood
    imports from Japan.

    “The situation is pretty much under control. We’ve built fences [so as] not to let
    polluted ground waters leak into the ocean,” maintained Youshimi Hitosugi, a
    Fukushima nuclear plant operator in TEPCO’s Corporate Communications
    Department.

    But despite lab workers assurances that the fish was free of any harmful particles
    and TEPCO standing firm that the nearby waters are clear of radiation, Yaroshevsky
    learnt that most of the seafood he personally saw at the port of Soma will never
    make it to the shelves of fish markets or restaurant tables.

    “Most of the fish caught within the 30 kilometer radius is thrown into the garbage
    because it is radiated. And TEPCO is paying to local fishermen for it, so that they’re
    happy and keep silent on that. Some of it though makes it to stores, but only
    locally,” economist Hirokai Kurosaki revealed to RT.

    So far work hasn’t stopped in Soma, despite the port being in the heart of the area
    ravaged by the 2011 tsunami and just a few kilometers from the Fukushima
    nuclear power plant heavily contaminated by radiation. Seafood of all shapes and
    sizes continues to land in Soma several times a day, only to end up being thrown
    away.

    http://rt.com/news/japan-fukushima-seafood-dangers-775/

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    there is still potential threat especially if hit by another Quake....


    ABC NEWS - West Coast Evacuation Due To Fukishima Radiation Possible



    Published on 15 Nov 2013


    Nuclear Engineer Dr. Arjun Makhijani, president of the Institute for Energy and
    Environmental Research, confirmed that ocean currents are carrying the radioactive
    water to the West Coast.
    "There are several hundred tons of radioactive water that are pouring into the
    ocean at the site every day," Makhijani said.
    According to a study published in the Journal Deep Sea Research 1, it will begin
    arriving this March. But Makhijani says there's no need to panic. The radiation will
    be diluted, and levels found on the West Coast are very low and not considered
    dangerous so far. But the question is, will we really know? Fukushima radiation hit's
    westcoast.


    ===================================================

    Fukushima Nuclear plant is COLLAPSING - Ocean life extinction maybe near




    Published on 11 Nov 2013


    Paul Gunter, Beyond Nuclear, joins Thom Hartmann. There are new concerns
    coming out of Japan - as the stricken Number 4 reactor at the Daichii nuclear power
    plant is on the verge of collapsing. How is TEPCO responding to this newest threat -
    and can they stop a complete nuclear disaster?
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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    This is a summery of events from the Tsunami onwards....


    December 17 2013 Breaking News Fukushima worldwide Nuclear C



    Published on 18 Dec 2013


    December 17 2013 Breaking News Fukushima worldwide Nuclear Crisis
    not contained and now over 2 years later Japan asking superpowers for
    help as Nuclear Radiation still keeps pouring into the Pacific ocean
    contaminating mankind's seafood food chain - Last Days Final Hour
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    I watched the above documentary and was astonished that the lack of batteries contributed to the disaster 'unbelievable' !!

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    This article explains it........



    October 27, 2012 · 12:33 am

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    Fukushima: For Want Of A Battery, A Nation Was Lost





    Fukushima The Truth Behind the Chain of Meltdowns – YouTube is a NHK Japanese
    TV report that discusses the now-unfolding scandal of why several of the reactors
    blew up. That is, the SRV, safety release valves, which remove gases accumulating
    like in a pressure cooker and thus, lets more water into the chamber to cool the
    rods, were inoperative after the tsunami and the only way to open these valves was
    to find 12 volt batteries. Which Tepco refused to give.





    Reactor #2 released the most toxins in the meltdown horror show. 39 minutes into
    the show, reactor #3 meltdown. 32 hours before it had its hydrogen gas explosion,
    a day and a half after the tsunami. They were running out of batteries that ran
    pumps and opened and closed valves.



    The nuclear power workers called Tepco headquarters and they sent 2 volt batteries
    to Fukushima with the help of a Japan Defense Force helicopter. But these were
    the wrong batteries! They needed 12 volt batteries. 10 were needed for each SR
    valve that released buildup of vapors which prevent water from entering the
    containment unit.





    Why didn’t the Fukushima get these batteries? The interview of the Tepco
    executive who screened the requests that day was, he was TOO BUSY to prioritize!
    So he IGNORED the urgent demand for batteries to turn the valves.



    Tepco had the batteries. But these were kept 50 miles away, 1,000 batteries.





    The storage site had no delivery trucks. The brave workers stuck in this hellish
    disaster area connected their car batteries to the valves and it was too late by this
    time and the reactor blew up. The scandal of the batteries is making news in Japan
    because it turns out the calls to headquarters for urgent batteries be brought to
    Fukushima were bogged down with paperwork demands by the headquarters staff.



    That is, they argued with the nuclear workers stuck in Fukushima and didn’t want
    to release the batteries and even asked the staff at the nuclear power plant to go to
    a store and buy some. The end of this scandal has yet to run its course and
    probably will end with someone killing himself.



    ALL nuclear power explosions have human incompetence as a key element.
    Humans are not trustworthy guardians of these dangerous nuclear dragons. Any
    disruption or natural event can cause a chain reaction that never really ends. As
    we see in the Chernobyl crypt which still seethes with radioactive madness. The
    same is true of Fukushima: it is not finished, it continues to evolve and destroy.



    More proof that the contamination is continuing and spreading like a cancer in our
    once-health oceans: Fish Off Fukushima, Japan, Show Elevated Levels of Cesium –
    NYTimes.com

    http://emsnews.wordpress.com/2012/10...tion-was-lost/

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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Quote HUGE logical fallacy here...
    CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION

    I'd bet National Geographic didn't mention Fukushima because.... FUKUSHIMA wasn't involved!
    I thought you would like this post Targe .... I posted it as it is was on Davids site .At least it gives you
    a chance to refute it....LOL

    I noticed the main insinuation to Fukishima was the timing. I'm presuming the author at Natural News
    is not stupid so added it to the debate. But you know more about this than me, so if its a load of
    old 'sea snot' so be it , but its recorded for others to consider....


    Quote “In the 24 years of this study, the past 2 years have been the biggest
    amounts of this detritus by far,” said study leader Christine Huffard, a marine
    biologist at the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute in California.
    This is the coincidental bit .........
    that is a coincidence, but the ocean is a literally a sea of variables... connecting the two with out some sort of substantiating data, I mean they didn't even take a radiological reading before jumping to this conclusion? That would have been a "freebie" since there would have been radiation (as everything has some level) and they could have at least tossed that up in an attempt to correlate the two topics.



    your use of quotes didn't make it very clear what was your comment and what theirs.

    the article probably should be up and seen, but it's flaws need to be pointed out; D. Icke has really lost his "luster" in my eyes of late, and his large media push is starting to slide him into the "alex jones" category as well (I mean we KNOW CO-INTEL-Pro is real, we know its been done for years... we have to apply that to reality and especially this Icke situation with his "truth TV" (or what ever its called)).

    I guess my faith in humanity (mostly their ability to critically think) has hit an all time low, I wouldn't even propagate dis-info of this caliber as unfortunately many people will not see past the logical fallacies and conclusion jumping that is going on (we just aren't taught to do this, it took me a long time before I stumbled onto the Trivium and Quadrivium and Critical thinking)
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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    I don't think the local fisherman would agree...

    Quote Please show me 1 example of the catastrophic (or even just "regular) damage that fukushima is causing and has caused in the last 2 years.



    Quote Japanese fishermen face new setback with latest Fukushima leak

    (CBS News) For more than a year after the March 2011 earthquake and
    tsunami that destroyed Fukushima, they weren't allowed to fish at all.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/japanese...ukushima-leak/
    So, the REAL disaster to Fukushima fishermen is that they are not allowed to fish... this is the governments fault, not Fukushima; (since they are being told not to fish, they are not being stopped from fishing for any reason but government intervention at this point).

    so still, I don't see fukushima causing a disaster here, I see governments and their fear propiganda causing issue.

    Now, if they were pulling up red snappers that had high radioactive readings (and we need some actual data here, some TV talking head saying "high levels of cesium" is completely meaningless. what does "high" mean??) I would completely agree, since this isn't the case you can lay the fishing prohibition at the feet of the government.


    This CBS article fits snugly into the "DISINFO" category as well, it leads you to conclusions that are not based in fact; this situation will be repeated since the linear no-threshold model is being applied to this situation, something that has been shown to be not only completely false, but quite the opposite.


    Please try to use the quote mechanism so its easier to tell which text is yours and which the article you are reposting.
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    Both sides of this debate seem to be employing the same. Logical fallacy. Correlation equalling causation. Disinformation on both sides. They are hiding something and promoting something else all the while the truth is behind door number three. It's valuable to look at both sides, and consider a "hidden" option as well.

    Great to see this debated.. On either side. People are learning, finally, or so it seems.
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    I haven't done an update on the data from TEPCO in a little while because there hasn't been any released (in English) since the 27th December. Here's the main pages I use to get data from:
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushi...s/index-e.html
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushi...1/index-e.html
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp...ndex_ho-e.html

    However there has finally been a report from them about the steam coming from #3:

    ###

    Fukushima Daiichi NPS Prompt Report (Jan 03,2014)
    Steam emanating from the top of Unit 3 Reactor Building indicates no abnormality


    MONITORING AT ALL UNITS CONTINUED 24/7 AT FUKUSHIMA DAIICHI,STEAM CONTINUES TO BE CONFIRMED AT THE TOP OF UNIT 3 REACTOR BUILDING INTERMITTENTLY SINCE SUMMER WHEN DEBRIS REMOVAL WAS CONDUCTED ON THE TOP FLOOR ACCUMULATED RAINWATER ASSUMED AS THE CAUSE OF STEAM NO SAFETY CONCERNS INDICATED

    FUKUSHIMA, January 3, 2014 -Unit 3 Reactor Building at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station, where steam continues to be confirmed at the top, is monitored 24/7 as well as other reactors, and indicates no abnormality, Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) announced today.

    Since July 18, 2013, steam has been intermittently observed at the top of the Unit 3 Reactor Building. It was observed on days with comparatively low temperature and high humidity and, upon almost all occasions, when rain had fallen before.

    The steam has been observed around the edge of the shield plug of the Primary Containment Vessel (PCV), which is the upper structure of the reactor. No significant changes were found in either the main parameters related to the plant (temperature, pressure and xenon density of PCV/RPV) nor the monitoring post readings, which indicates no abnormality of the cooling of the reactor, nor dangers to human health, the company explained.

    The company assumes rain which accumulates inside the edge of the PCV as the main cause. The following is the mechanism.
    1. Generally, steam is generated when warm, moist air meets low-temperature, high-humidity air and falls below the dew-point temperature.
    2. Water particles generated by saturation become visible as a steam.
    3. The source of the aforementioned steam is considered to be evaporated water from rainfall etc. around the relatively hot PCV, emerging from the shield plug and becoming steam.

    There has been no significant change in the radiation dose and nuclide analysis results (dust sampling data) compared to those from before the steam was observed.

    With regard to the top of the Unit 3 Reactor Building, as the radiation dose is still high, the company says it will continue to decontaminate the area.


    The current situation of Fukushima Daiichi may be seen via Fukuichi Live Camera at
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/f1-np/camera/index-e.html

    Latest radiation dose monitoring results are posted at
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushi...1/index-e.html
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushi...p/index-e.html

    Explanation materials are available at below page (Please see from PDF page 19. We apologize it is only in Japanese.)
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/fukushima-...31031_04-j.pdf

    Source

    ###

    Hopefully there will be more information forthcoming and the data shall start to be released in English again after the weekend.

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    Fukushima MORE Leaks, TEPCO's Lame Attempt to DeContaminate Update 12/22/13



    This is an update of the area and the worry about the woodland that covers
    the prefecture has not been dealt with and other local problems. It ends with
    the people trying to rebuild their lives and community and hope for the future.
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    we just aren't taught to do this, it took me a long time before I stumbled onto the Trivium and Quadrivium and Critical thinking.
    Here, here. Well said.

    This is one way people are controlled. They are never introduced to it, unable to understand it or simply don't have time to spend working on gaining this knowledge.

    It is rare to actually meet someone who has this base upon which all else is built...

    Sometimes I despair.

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    Study: Dead sea creatures cover 98 percent of ocean floor off California coast; up from one percent before Fukushima

    Friday 3rd January 2014 at 03:45 By David Icke

    ‘The Pacific Ocean appears to be dying, according to a new study recently published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Scientists from the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute (MBARI) in California recently discovered that the number of dead sea creatures blanketing the floor of the Pacific is higher than it has ever been in the 24 years that monitoring has taken place, a phenomenon that the data suggests is a direct consequence of nuclear fallout from Fukushima.

    Though the researchers involved with the work have been reluctant to pin Fukushima as a potential cause — National Geographic, which covered the study recently, did not even mention Fukushima — the timing of the discovery suggests that Fukushima is, perhaps, the cause. According to the data, this sudden explosion in so-called “sea snot,” which is the name given to the masses of dead sea creatures that sink to the ocean floor as food, has skyrocketed since the Fukushima incident occurred.’

    "In the 24 years of this study, the past two years have been the biggest amounts of this detritus by far," stated Christine Huffard, a marine biologist at MBARI and leader of the study, to National Geographic.

    At an ocean research station known as Station M, located 145 miles out to sea between the Californian cities of Santa Barbara and Monterey, Huffard and her colleague Ken Smith observed a sharp uptick in the amount of dead sea life drifting to the ocean floor. The masses of dead sea plankton, jellyfish, feces and other oceanic matter that typically only cover about 1 percent of the ocean floor were found to now be covering about 98 percent of it -- and multiple other stations located throughout the Pacific have since reported similar figures.

    "In March 2012, less than one percent of the seafloor beneath Station M was covered in dead sea salps," writes Carrie Arnold for National Geographic. "By July 1, more than 98 percent of it was covered in the decomposing organisms. ... The major increase in activity of deep-sea life in 2011 and 2012 weren't limit to Station M, though: Other ocean-research stations reported similar data."

    No more sea life means no more oxygen in our atmosphere

    Interestingly, Arnold does not even make a peep about Fukushima, which by all common sense is the most reasonable explanation for this sudden increase in dead sea life. Though the most significant increases were observed roughly a year after the incident, the study makes mention of the fact that the problems first began in 2011.

    "Forget looking at global warming as the culprit," writes National Geographic commenter "Grammy," pointing out the lunacy of Arnold's implication that the now-debunked global warming myth was the sudden cause of a 9,700 percent increase in dead sea life.

    Backing her up, another National Geographic commenter jokingly stated that somehow "the earth took such a huge hit in a four-month timeframe of a meltdown via global warming and we as a people didn't recognize this while [it was] happening; while coincidentally during that same time frame the event at Fukushima took place."

    It is almost as if the powers that be want us all to forget about Fukushima and the catastrophic damage it continues to cause to our planet. But they will not be able to cover up the truth forever, as human life is dependent upon healthy oceans, the life of which provides the oxygen that we all need to breathe and survive.
    The full paper the above is based on 'Deep ocean communities impacted by changing climate over 24 y in the abyssal northeast Pacific Ocean' can be found here:
    http://www.pnas.org/content/110/49/19838.full

    The authors clearly state that the measurements prior to 2011 were not as detailed (or accurate) as the measurements taken from the Summer of 2011 onwards. Prior to 2011 the measurements were taken seasonally as opposed in the reported period used in the above article being on a more frequent basis (in some instances photos were taken hourly).

    Yet another misrepresentation of a paper by people wanting to point at something which just isn't presented.

    So where is Station M?



    What does the sea floor look like there?



    Want more information on Station M and the area of study being undertaken there?
    Try here: Abyssal Time-Series Studies at Station M.

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    I came across an interesting article, by Winifred Bird and Jane Little from March 2013, titled 'A Tale of Two Forests: Addressing Postnuclear Radiation at Chernobyl and Fukushima', that compares the actions of government/agencies in the post-nuclear accident periods at Fukushima and Chernobyl. While aspects of the report may be criticised by those with a different view of the Chernobyl post-accident contamination levels the main reason for me posting it here is that it mentions the different approaches adopted and the reasons they were.



    Source

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    Quote The full paper the above is based on 'Deep ocean communities impacted by changing climate over 24 y in the abyssal northeast Pacific Ocean' can be found here:
    http://www.pnas.org/content/110/49/19838.full

    The authors clearly state that the measurements prior to 2011 were not as detailed (or accurate) as the measurements taken from the Summer of 2011 onwards. Prior to 2011 the measurements were taken seasonally as opposed in the reported period used in the above article being on a more frequent basis (in some instances photos were taken hourly).

    Yet another misrepresentation of a paper by people wanting to point at something which just isn't presented.
    Thanks Pan that's a good point, what we must remember, I and most people would have not known
    much about these subjects, other than the odd documentary. That's why its important to
    separate the wheat from the chafe , without missing info, and being wary of misdirection from both sides.
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    The full paper the above is based on 'Deep ocean communities impacted by changing climate over 24 y in the abyssal northeast Pacific Ocean' can be found here:
    http://www.pnas.org/content/110/49/19838.full

    The authors clearly state that the measurements prior to 2011 were not as detailed (or accurate) as the measurements taken from the Summer of 2011 onwards. Prior to 2011 the measurements were taken seasonally as opposed in the reported period used in the above article being on a more frequent basis (in some instances photos were taken hourly).

    Yet another misrepresentation of a paper by people wanting to point at something which just isn't presented.
    Thanks Pan that's a good point, what we must remember, I and most people would have not known
    much about these subjects, other than the odd documentary. That's why its important to
    separate the wheat from the chafe , without missing info, and being wary of misdirection from both sides.
    very good follow up research Pan & good point cider; even just a little bit of effort from all of us can really uncover a lot on these topics.

    I've found I'm a bit jaded of late and always look for deception, there is truth to be found too (though it seems that it always ends in at least minor manipulation of public opinion/thought)
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