North Korea: To the rest of the free world it's wake-up time!!!

[mojo]

Before conflict begins it's disappointing to notice how quiet the rest of the World is on this matter. Where are the European leaders voices? What is their solution? Conflict will cause great tragedy and for freedom loving people we cannot standby quietly and let North Korea hold the rest of the world in fear. The leaders should be talking now individually or as a Union because when the bombing begins it will be too late for many...

[Cidersomerset]

funny enough I am just about to post this on the WW111 thread , the timing is odd
as the President of China is in Russia now and the world leaders are meeting at the
G20 this week. Its as if North Korea is 'bating' the world or sending President Trump
a 4th of July message and ensure Korea will be on the table in Hamburg.

Though I do not think they are touting for a war but just reminding the US in
particular not to do a Iraq or Libya on them as has been suggested in the western
media for decades but to actually end the Korean war from the 1950's which is still
technically not over as a peace agreement was never signed and an armistice has
been in effect all this time. Thus to lead the way to end sanctions and bring North
Korea into the 21st century from their point of view.

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North Korea missile 'could reach Alaska' - BBC News

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rDAtGyt1T2w

Published on 4 Jul 2017
North Korea says it has successfully tested its first "intercontinental ballistic
missile". A state television announcement said the missile, which landed in the Sea
of Japan on Tuesday, could hit targets anywhere in the world. But the US and
Russia said the missile had a medium range and presented no threat to either
country. Seoul correspondent Steve Evans reports.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40497972
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'Freeze nuclear & missile activities': Russia, China call for moratorium on N. Korean tests

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wFANOtIR_f0

Published on 4 Jul 2017
Moscow and Beijing have agreed that North Korea should freeze its nuclear and
missile programs, while the US and South Korea should abstain from holding war
games in the region, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

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North Korea a top priority as Trump attends first G20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4Njt16azMI

Published on 4 Jul 2017
Kristin Fisher reports from Warsaw, Poland

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President Trump reacts to North Korean missile launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS8slfT6gLE

Published on 4 Jul 2017
President Trump reacted on Twitter to North Korea's claims of a successful ICBM
launch, calling for China to use a "heavy move" in retaliation. Bloomberg News
White House reporter Toluse Olorunnipa joins CBSN to discuss.

[Gaia]

No doubt Trump response will be to tweet.

One question remain : Is Trump still up for a KFC summit with Kim Jong-un? Just kidding...

In addition : So actually, nothing happened. N. Korea tested a missile, which it has every right to do, Trump tweeted, and that's it.

[Matt P]

How is a small country that is barely able to launch a missile, much less direct it to an exact location anywhere, a threat to countries that could completely destroy it overnight if they dared try to launch? This N Korea game has never made any sense.

Matt

[Cidersomerset]

This N Korea game has never made any sense.

It has some similarities to Israel in that both were created after
the end of WW II , Israel displaced the Palestinians as an on going
agreement by the French and British to set up a Jewish homeland
in the area after the collapse of the Ottoman empire in WW1.
Korea was part of the Japanese empire and split into two after
WW11 similar to Germany at the 38th parallel the border today
the rest you should look up if interested but like everything is
more complicated than at first sight particularly in the mainstream
press.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea

[neutronstar]

Posted by mpennery (here)
This N Korea game has never made any sense.

Matt

Yes it does. We still need enemies so we can make our military even bigger. Continued growth. It is the corporate model.

[turiya]

Posted by Gaia (here)
No doubt Trump response will be to tweet.

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North Korea has just launched another
missile. Does this guy have anything better to
do with his life? Hard to believe that South
Korea.....

7:19 PM - 3 Jul 2017
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....and Japan will put up with this much
longer. Perhaps China will put a heavy move
on North Korea and end this nonsense once
and for all!

7:24 PM - 3 Jul 2017
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[Gaia]

Posted by neutronstar (here)

Posted by mpennery (here)
This N Korea game has never made any sense.

Matt

Yes it does. We still need enemies so we can make our military even bigger. Continued growth. It is the corporate model.

The benefits of the corporate model are hard to see in Iraq neutronstar... Iraq was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks, many Americans continue to believe he was involved... Except for the curse of oil !

[Cidersomerset]

A couple of short vids giving some background to the conflict in Korea

Korean War overview | The 20th century | World history | Khan Academy

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MEGyRgYJKEY

Recorded 2011
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Korean War - BBC 20th century history file

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLr8FlMPzPc

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Made as the US was getting more engulfed in another pointless South Asia
conflict in Vietnam that killed and maimed millions of soldiers and civilians .
M.A.S.H. was one of the great anti war movies later adapted to the classic TV show


MASH film opening - shows a forward medical base a few miles from the front
line somewhere in Korea, receiving casualties and rushing to save those they could.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HlnB34ZDo9g

MASH

… Drama · 1966

…This classic American war comedy received an Oscar® nomination for Best Picture
and spawned one of the most popular shows ever to run on television. It focuses on
three army surgeons (Donald Sutherland, Elliott Gould and Tom Skerritt) who develop
a lunatic lifestyle in order to handle the everyday horrors they encounter in the Korean
War. Sally Kellerman, Gary Burghoff and Robert Duvall co-star in this disarming mix
of slapstick, merciless fun and tragedy.

Actors:
… Donald Sutherland, Elliott Gould, Tom Skerritt, Sally Kellerman, Robert Duvall, Jo Ann Pflug, Rene Auberjonois
Director: Robert Altman

Mash Trailer 1970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAVdl2N-zbc

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The problem with war apart from the horrors there has always been the thrills that
has made it for some the ultimate extreme sport , sick as that sounds it goes back
through out known history , and even today the vast majority of people serving
in the militaries of the world professional or drafted do not see conflict , but are
a deterent.

[turiya]

Posted by mpennery (here)
This N Korea game has never made any sense.

Matt

I think this video can point to a few good reasons (@8m29s - 13m) why North Korea?

Current Economic Collapse
News Brief - Episode 1323
(Published on Jul 4, 2017)

VIDEO

_________Relevant Articles_________

Putin, Xi Call For North Korean Freeze on Missile Tests

• Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that he would coordinate with Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping to promote their plan to work with North Korea’s
• “We’ve agreed to robustly promote our joint initiative to find a solution to the Korean issue based on the Russian step-by-step program, and the Chinese ideas of concurrently freezing DPRK’s nuclear activity

Source: voanews.com


North Korea Sitting on $6 Trillion in Mineral Resources

• North Korea has been using opium to keep the country operational, the CIA and other intel agencies don’t like the competition
• NK is in a strategic location for China
• North Korea has an estimated $6 trillion in minerals beneath its surface

• Among the 200 minerals buried beneath the mountainous country are iron, gold, magnesite, zinc, copper, limestone, molybdenum and graphite. North Korea also has reserves of rare earth metals needed to make high tech products such as smartphones.
• While a conservative estimate from South Korea’s state-owned mining company put the figure at $6 trillion, a South Korean research institute has said the value of North Korea’s minerals might be closer to $10 trillion

Source: newsmax.com




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[Gaia]

Posted by turiya (here)

Posted by mpennery (here)
This N Korea game has never made any sense.

Matt

I think this video can point to a few good reasons (@8m29s - 13m) why North Korea?

Current Economic Collapse
News Brief - Episode 1323
(Published on Jul 4, 2017)

VIDEO

_________Relevant Articles_________

Putin, Xi Call For North Korean Freeze on Missile Tests

• Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that he would coordinate with Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping to promote their plan to work with North Korea’s
• “We’ve agreed to robustly promote our joint initiative to find a solution to the Korean issue based on the Russian step-by-step program, and the Chinese ideas of concurrently freezing DPRK’s nuclear activity

Source: voanews.com


North Korea Sitting on $6 Trillion in Mineral Resources

• North Korea has been using opium to keep the country operational, the CIA and other intel agencies don’t like the compeition
• NK is in a strategic location for China
• North Korea has an estimated $6 trillion in minerals beneath its surface

• Among the 200 minerals buried beneath the mountainous country are iron, gold, magnesite, zinc, copper, limestone, molybdenum and graphite. North Korea also has reserves of rare earth metals needed to make high tech products such as smartphones.
• While a conservative estimate from South Korea’s state-owned mining company put the figure at $6 trillion, a South Korean research institute has said the value of North Korea’s minerals might be closer to $10 trillion

Source: newsmax.com




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Same old same old its been in the news since 2014 :

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s92zNjIbGps

[neutronstar]

Posted by Gaia (here)

Posted by neutronstar (here)

Posted by mpennery (here)
This N Korea game has never made any sense.

Matt

Yes it does. We still need enemies so we can make our military even bigger. Continued growth. It is the corporate model.

The benefits of the corporate model are hard to see in Iraq neutronstar... Iraq was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks, many Americans continue to believe he was involved... Except for the curse of oil !

Who said anything about benefits of the corporate model. The corporate model is a cancer to our society, but corporations benefited enormously in Iraq. First they made money making everything you need for warfare. Then they made money rebuilding the country, or trying to rebuild. That country is still a mess. Wars have been and always will be about profit.

And if you didn't get it in my first post. I was being sarcastic.

[Bubu]

[QUOTE=mojo;1164422 and let North Korea hold the rest of the world in fear. ...[/QUOTE]

North korea holds the rest of the world in fear? funny, so US gov now is the hero? Maybe we should be more careful in putting thought in words.

If all the leaders of the world will follow north Korea example to stand up against the monster the world will be a lot better place sooner. Not saying that we should be madmen, just stand up against the aggressors. Our current president is one good example for world leaders thus its no wonder for me that the bastards is trying to create a Syria scenario in our country. I've known this even before it happened simply because our government resist the PTB. If more and more country will follow this example the PTB will loose sooner.

[Cidersomerset]

G20 protests: Police uses water cannons against crowd in Hamburg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6sYixb9D78

Published on 4 Jul 2017
As thousands of protesters converge on Hamburg to protest the G20 leaders summit,
city authorities have introduced unprecedented security measures. Footage shared on
social media shows dozens of police officers in full riot gear descending on the activists.
Behind the police, lines of water cannons that are being used against the protesters.
READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/8h0r

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North Korea conducts new missile test, launched towards Sea of Japan

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HklxuRrSmp4

Published on 4 Jul 2017
North Korea claims it tested an intercontinental missile, however Russia's Defense Ministry
says it was only a medium-range missile. Donald Trump has tweeted his reaction, demanding
from China, a 'heavy move' on its neighbour.

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President Trump reacts to North Korean missile launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS8slfT6gLE

Published on 4 Jul 2017
President Trump reacted on Twitter to North Korea's claims of a successful ICBM launch, calling
for China to use a "heavy move" in retaliation. Bloomberg News White House reporter Toluse
Olorunnipa joins CBSN to discuss

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Debate: N Korea’s latest missile launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdtqbdaTfxU

Published on 4 Jul 2017
Where is the situation headed on the Korean peninsula after Pyongyang’s ‘successful ICBM launch’?
Do you think President Trump’s approach toward the North Korean missile and nukes programs would
de-escalate the tensions or simply exacerbate them?

[mgray]

I found it absolutely amazing that I woke up early Wednesday morning here in the States and found stock market futures in the green on this news. Around the globe there is no fear of a nuclear warhead being launched as markets move higher. I wrote on this this morning

[justntime2learn]

Posted by mpennery (here)
How is a small country that is barely able to launch a missile, much less direct it to an exact location anywhere, a threat to countries that could completely destroy it overnight if they dared try to launch? This N Korea game has never made any sense.

Matt

I've always loved reading your posts Matt.

I'm just curious if the ballistic missile testing isn't a smokescreen to divert attention from what a possible North Korean agenda is.

As far as I know they have successfully tested A hydrogen bomb so couldn't they put one on a submarine and pull close to a harbor or even get close to a battle group and detonate?

Anyone know?

Are there other possibilities I haven't thought of?

[Cidersomerset]

keeping up the usual rhetoric and options open....( longer version )

Haley: Time to escalate response to N Korea

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oJd-hixRKYk

Published on 5 Jul 2017
US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley says that sanctions against
North Korea has not worked and it is time to escalate actions against them in
wake of its latest missile test.

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U.S. And South Korea Hold Joint Missile Drills In Show Of Force Against North | NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qesylItd3mQ
Published on 5 Jul 2017
The day after North Korea test-fired an ICBM, U.S. and S. Korean military
conducted a missile drill to show battle readiness

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North Korea Releases Video Of ICBM Test | NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnD4R2qIiYE

Published on 5 Jul 2017

The day after North Korea test-fired an ICBM, U.S. and S. Korean military
conducted a missile drill to show battle readiness.



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U.N. Security Council holds emergency meeting after North Korea missile test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoWfvycLsrU
Published on 5 Jul 2017
The U.N. Security Council is holding an emergency meeting following North Korea's
recent ICBM test. Bruce Klingner, former CIA deputy director for North Korea and
senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation, joins CBSN to discuss the latest.

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[mojo]

Nikki Haley is an awesome Ambassador and that was the message that was needed to be delivered, ty Nikki now its time to see what the Europeans say that will be the test...not Russia or China that have different motives. The U.S. shouldnt act unilaterally until exhausting every option...

[turiya]

More from X22Report on North Korea... Particular video segment starts @8:05...

Did You Feel The Shift With China,
Russia & The US? - Episode 1324b
(Published on Jul 5, 2017)

VIDEO

__________Relevant Articles__________

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The United States made some of the worst
Trade Deals in world history.Why should we
continue these deals with countries that do
not help us?

4:14 AM - 5 Jul 2017
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Trade between China and North Korea grew
almost 40% in the first quarter. So much for
China working with us - but we had to give it
a try!

4:21 AM - 5 Jul 2017
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China Defends North Korea Efforts After Trump Outburst

• China’s Foreign Ministry spurned US demands for them to do more with respect to North Korea, saying that they’ve been making “relentless efforts” to reach a settlement to resolve the North Korea dispute. They added that all nations should show restraint after North Korea’s ICBM test.[/B]

Source: news.antiwar.com


The truth about North Korea: it’s booming

• The Financial Times article highlights an important point about North Korea. The negative growth of -1% of per capita GDP claimed by the Bank of Korea in Seoul, which is so obviously at odds with the true facts, reflects the uniformly negative reporting of North Korea by South Korea’s media and institutions. Many of the worst stories which circulate about North Korea, including the regular tales of power struggles and purges within the North Korean government, of corruption by Kim Jong-un and his entourage, and of economic failure and deprivation across the whole country, originate in South Korea (i.e. "Fake News" propaganda)
• If North Korea really is achieving per capita annual GDP growth rates of 9% as claimed by the Hyundai Research Institute, and if salaries really have grown 250-1,200% over the last 10 years, then North Korea has the fastest growing economy in the industrialised world, and its people are seeing the fastest growth in real incomes in the world.
• That no doubt explains the growing self-confidence of the North Korean leadership and the genuine popularity
• One of the great problems of the West is that it always seem to struggle to recognise or adjust to a change of reality in any particular given situation.
• Just as the West imposed economic sanctions on Russia in 2014 in the completely mistaken belief that Russia’s economy is a house of cards – which is what it was in the 1990s – so the West still believes that North Korea is a basket case one step away from total collapse, as it also was in the 1990s.
• In the case of North Korea, what the West believes is the ‘magic bullet’ – Chinese sanctions – will never happen on anything like the scale the West wants or which would make a significant difference.

Source: theduran.com


TRUMP CALLS FOR U.N. EMERGENCY MEETING ON N. KOREA
U.S. threatens military force against North Korea

• U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said on Wednesday that North Korea’s actions were “quickly closing off the possibility of a diplomatic solution” and the United States was prepared to defend itself and its allies.
• She said the United States would propose new UN sanctions on North Korea “in the coming days.” She also warned that Washington was prepared to cut off trade with countries trading with North Korea in violation of UN resolutions.

Source: cbc.ca


Kim Jong-un gets what he wants: the Russian-Chinese joint statement on Korean conflict (full text and analysis)

Since this document is not easy to find, I set out the full text with the key points highlighted...

The Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China are the Korean Peninsula’s neighbours, therefore the development of the situation in the region concerns the national interests of both countries. Russia and China will closely coordinate their efforts in order to promote a complex solution to the Korean Peninsula’s problems, including that of the nuclear issue, for the sake of achieving a lasting peace and stability in Northeast Asia. In the spirit of strategic cooperation the foreign ministries of Russia and China (hereinafter referred to as Parties) state the following:

1. The Parties are seriously worried by the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK)’s statement of July 4, 2017 about a ballistic missile launch and consider this statement unacceptable and in disharmony with the relevant UN Security Council resolutions.

2. The Parties express serious concern about the development of the situation on the Korean Peninsula and around it. Mounting political and military tension in that region, fraught with the eruption of an armed conflict, are calling on the international community to adopt collective measures to settle the situation peacefully through dialogue and consultations. The Parties oppose any statements or moves that might escalate tension or aggravate the contradictions and urge all countries concerned to maintain calm, renounce provocative moves or bellicose rhetoric, demonstrate readiness for dialogue without preconditions and work actively together to defuse tension.

3.The Parties are putting forward a joint initiative, which is based on the Chinese-proposed ideas of “double freezing” (missile and nuclear activities by the DPRK and large-scale joint exercises by the United States and the Republic of Korea) and “parallel advancement” towards the denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula and the creation of peace mechanisms on the peninsula, and the Russian-proposed stage-by-stage Korean settlement plan.

The Parties propose the following:

The DPRK, by way of a voluntary political decision, announces a moratorium on the testing of nuclear explosive devices and ballistic missile tests, and the United States and the Republic of Korea should, accordingly, refrain from large-scale joint exercises. Simultaneously, the conflicting parties begin talks and assert common principles of their relations, including the non-use of force, the renunciation of aggression, peaceful coexistence and determination to do all they can to denuclearise the Korean Peninsula with a view to promoting a complex resolution of all problems, including the nuclear issue. During the negotiating process, all parties concerned push forward, in a format suitable to them, the creation on the peninsula and in Northeast Asia of a peace and security mechanism and consequently normalise relations between the countries in question.

The Parties urge the international community to support the aforementioned initiative that paves the real way for resolving the Korean Peninsula’s problems.

4.The Parties are resolutely committed to the international non-proliferation regime and are firmly aimed at the denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula and a comprehensive and full implementation of the relevant UN Security Council resolutions. The Parties intend, jointly with other parties concerned, to continue making efforts to facilitate the balanced removal of the existing concerns via dialogue and consultations.

The Parties confirm that the DPRK’s justified concerns should be respected. Other states must make relevant efforts to have talks resumed and jointly to create an atmosphere of peacefulness and mutual trust.

The Parties are calling on all parties involved to comply with the commitments formulated in the Joint Statement of September 19, 2005, and to re-launch, as soon as possible, the dialogue on the comprehensive resolution of problems on the Korean Peninsula. Any possibility of using military means to solve the problems of the Korean Peninsula should be ruled out.

5. The Parties express support for the North and the South of the Korean Peninsula to conduct dialogue and consultations, display benevolence towards each other, improve relations, cooperate in the matter of a peaceful settlement, and play a due role in defusing the situation on the Korean Peninsula and in resolving its problems in a proper manner.

6. The Parties confirm that they are paying sufficient attention to the maintenance of the international and regional balance and stability, and emphasise that allied relations between separate states should not inflict damage on the interests of third parties. They are against any military presence of extra-regional forces in Northeast Asia and its build-up under the pretext of counteracting the DPRK’s missile and nuclear programmes.

The Parties confirm that the deployment of THAAD antimissile systems in Northeast Asia is inflicting serious damage on strategic security interests of regional states, including Russia and China, and does nothing to help achieve the aims of the Korean Peninsula’s denuclearisation, nor to ensure peace and stability in the region.

Russia and China are against the deployment of the said systems, call on the relevant countries to immediately stop and cancel the deployment process, and have agreed to adopt the necessary measures to protect the two countries’ security interests and to ensure a strategic balance in the region.

This statement was signed on July 4, 2017, in Moscow.

Source: theduran.com

Summary:

• The key points to take away from this statement are the following
• (1) The Russians and the Chinese are coordinating their positions on the Korean issue “in the spirit of their strategic cooperation” (ie. their alliance). What this means in effect is that China can count on Russia’s support in its dealings with the US on the Korean issue.
• (2) The Russians and the Chinese accept that North Korea has justified security concerns and consider that these should be respected. In other words they both oppose regime change in North Korea.
• (3) The Russians and the Chinese categorically oppose any US military action against North Korea. The Russians support the Chinese initiative whereby
• ==>(i) North Korea freezes its nuclear testing and ballistic missile programme;
• ==>(ii) the US and South Korea cease further joint military exercises on the Korean Peninsula;
• ==>(iii) the US and North Korea, and North Korea and South Korea commence direct talks with each other aimed at a comprehensive settlement of the conflict on the Korean Peninsula (“the comprehensive resolution of problems on the Korean Peninsula”).
• (4) The Russians and the Chinese consider the US’s deployment of THAAD on the Korean Peninsula destabilising and a threat to the international balance of power.

S Korea Invites N Korea to Attend 2018 Pyeongchang Olympics Despite Missile Test

• South Korean Prime Minister Lee Nak-yon on Wednesday invited North Korea to take part in the 2018 Pyeongchang Winter Olympic Games despite tensions over North Korea’s recent missile test.
• Source: sputniknews.com

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[Bob]

N. Korea seriously growing economically - ?

Here is an interesting post talking about what's happening 'over there'...

Posted on May 13, 2017 by Dr. Eowyn

Below are night-time views of North and South Korea, showing the south ablaze with lights, while the north is in darkness.

Here’s a shot taken by an astronaut aboard the International Space Station in January 2014:




See the big splash of light in South Korea?

That’s Seoul, the Republic of Korea’s capital.

Above Seoul is South Korea’s curvy borderline, and above that is the darkness that is North Korea, with one bright dot — the capital Pyongyang.

Above North Korea is northeast China, also lit up by lights.

{LIGHTS MEAN INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS, INDUSTRY and developed civilization (cities people with energy, communications), something N. Korea lacks as evidenced by satellite images..} ed.

2014 was no different than a nighttime satellite picture of the Korean peninsula taken in 2012:




In 1953, when the armistice ending the Korean War was signed, North and South Korea had similar levels of economic development. (emphasis mine)

While South Korea has since nurtured high-tech industries and economic growth, North Korea has faced “chronic economic problems” under the repressive Kim dynasty.

A widespread famine in the 1990s, exacerbated by the Kim policy of “self reliance” and the closed economy that prevented food imports, killed between half a million and up to 3 million people, according to different estimates.

In 2017, with a gross domestic product estimated at $1.4 trillion by the International Monetary Fund, South Korea is among the dozen most prosperous countries in the world.

In contrast, North Korea’s GDP is estimated at around $25 billion. The per-capita GDP of North Korea was $1,013 in 2015, lagging behind even undeveloped countries like Myanmar and Bangladesh.

Source: Live Science
ref from - https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/201...f-north-korea/