Is The Alien Agenda Hostile Or Not? [Split from "2015-12-25: The Last Christmas"]

[lucidity]

Posted by viking (here)
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Anyway Rocky spot on with your comment 'another to hate!' ... 'beware of that that promotes division'..

Viking

Hi Rocky & Viking,

good luck with your personal growth, spiritual evolution... etc.

[Joey]

The world has been a prison planet for thousands of years.

There is a lot of evidence regarding this. It is very painful to read. But the evidence is very convincing.
Read stuff of David Icke, Jim Marrs, Truman Cash and Mark Passio.
This is a lot of evidence based material.

[Innocent Warrior]

There are many credible reports of both, hence there are both hostile and benevolent races. Jacobs' research is stellar but be sure to distil it down to the fundamentals, ignore all unfounded assumptions and stick to the facts.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by lucidity (here)

Posted by viking (here)
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Anyway Rocky spot on with your comment 'another to hate!' ... 'beware of that that promotes division'..

Viking

Hi Rocky & Viking,

good luck with your personal growth, spiritual evolution... etc.

Lol.. remember what Carol Rosin said?


I'll be fine ...
Viking

[ulli]

When looking up at the night sky you get the reflection of down here.
Yes, there is a lot of blackness. Darkness.
Those who can relate to that will always focus on it,
and try to direct others' attention there as well.

All statements of belief say more about the person making the statement than reality itself.
Reality is a stick with two ends, both reach into the infinite...infinite ignorance and fear at one end, and infinite knowledge and love at the other.
We perceive what we direct our internal telescopes at.
Until we dump those telescopes and look with both eyes, we will always be blinkered in our vision.

[seah]

Re OP's question: We live in paradigm of duality therefore we are always presented with two sides, in this case hostile/not hostile.

This will never change, no matter how many stories we read of raised human consciousness, no matter how true they are; the planet consciousness may change but the parameters never will, because the creator of our reality, here, in the 4% universe has established the dichotomy which he/they so desperately require.

Can we, individually, grow to the point where we don't play the 'coin' game anymore? this is the truly important question we need be asking.

[Sunny-side-up]

Just wan't to say a few things here:

To say 'They' as in all ET's are one and the same, is wrong, just like we are not all good or bad.
I never like collective clumping.

Don't forget there is much evidence to say we, in one way or another are more alien then we are officially told!

Yes, there has been shown to be a lot of mutilation, both animal and humans (Don't forget we are animals as well, some more that others)
I have heard that many alphabet-organisations, illegal medical research and probably lots of secrete unknown researchers (All supposedly humans) have been doing a lot of the mutilations, and then there is criminal pressure, intimidation to make people sell out their land.

Then there are all the supposed deals done between government's and some ET's
Then "They" even within good type races, the rouge element that dose what it wants.

So a lot of the cases could well be non-ET, probably the majority.

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by seah (here)
Re OP's question: We live in paradigm of duality therefore we are always presented with two sides, in this case hostile/not hostile.

This will never change, no matter how many stories we read of raised human consciousness, no matter how true they are; the planet consciousness may change but the parameters never will, because the creator of our reality, here, in the 4% universe has established the dichotomy which he/they so desperately require.

Can we, individually, grow to the point where we don't play the 'coin' game any more? this is the truly important question we need be asking.

We are passing into the 'Silver-Age' out of the 'Bronze-Age' which has been so heavily influenced by the 'Iron-Age'
This Silver age will bring about so many new parameters and ways of being, we are feeling the coming effect but in 60-100-500 years these greater energies will grow and so will our perimeters of being!

As posted by Giovanni:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0fmj3wzg4Ag

at about the 3/4 mark is the point to watch, but all the vid is very well worth watching!

[Sierra]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
Just wan't to say a few things here:

To say 'They' as in all ET's are one and the same, is wrong, just like we are not all good or bad.
I never like collective clumping.

Don't forget there is much evidence to say we, in one way or another are more alien then we are officially told!

Yes, there has been shown to be a lot of mutilation, both animal and humans (Don't forget we are animals as well, some more that others)
I have heard that many alphabet-organisations, illegal medical research and probably lots of secrete unknown researchers (All supposedly humans) have been doing a lot of the mutilations, and then there is criminal pressure, intimidation to make people sell out their land.

Then there are all the supposed deals done between government's and some ET's
Then "They" even within good type races, the rouge element that dose what it wants.

So a lot of the cases could well be non-ET, probably the majority.

Yes. When I see mutilation and death in South America, I don't attribute it to aliens, I attribute it to the drug cartels. The killing is so bad, it actually creates a dip in the life expectancy rates in Mexico. It takes a lot of dying in a short period of time to do that.

I don't think the universe is made up entirely of races with a hive mind, all marching in lock step to destroy us. Neither do I think much of the extremely silly Greer position that all ETs are locked into a position of "good" with only positive intent towards Earth.

That our position looks so dire, seems to have occurred as a direct consequence of our fearless leaders making pacts in the 1940s with the bad guys rather than the good guys...

All for short term gain.

Now that sounds familiar... Er... Who are the bad guys?

Life is grey and foggy down here, at the bottom of the rabbit hole.

[Tangri]

It is good to see "The Alien Agenda " wording instead of ET Agenda.

The Most common mistake these days made by naming ET , instead of Alien Life Forms(which will be terrestrial life forms) It was ALF once, till Hollywood tailored it.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by viking (here)

Posted by lucidity (here)

Posted by viking (here)
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Anyway Rocky spot on with your comment 'another to hate!' ... 'beware of that that promotes division'..

Viking

Hi Rocky & Viking,

good luck with your personal growth, spiritual evolution... etc.

Lol.. remember what Carol Rosin said?


I'll be fine ...
Viking

Forgot to click in a link...a must listen to those who haven't heard.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qf5SvJpGuv0

Viking

Just a quick thank you Herve...turning out to he an interesting thread...I don't always have the time to post...so thanks and blessings.

Eric

[Eric J (Viking)]

APOLLO ASTRONAUT MITCHELL SAYS ALIENS PREVENTED NUCLEAR WAR ON EARTH TO ENSURE OUR SURVIVAL Jan 11, 2016 Edgar Mitchell, the sixth man to ever step foot on the moon, has recently disclosed information that some may find unbelievable or rather improbable. Before we examine Mitchell’s claim lets first shine some light on why he may be someone we can trust, here is a little history: Edgar Mitchell graduated the Carnegie institute of technology in 1952 with a degree in industrial management, he continued his academic career within the US Navy combining his militaristic career with more education and studied another bachelor degree in Aeronautical engineering within the naval post graduate school in 1961. On completion of his post-graduate study, Mitchell went on to gain acceptance at the Massachusetts institute of technology in 1964 – it was within the walls of the MIT that he was awarded a doctorate in the sciences, studying aeronautics and astronautics. In 1966, Mitchell received a secondment to train as an astronaut for NASA – it was within the institution he logged a rather impressive 216 hours and 42 minutes in space – it was in space Mitchell was inspired to say these words: “You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’”. It goes without saying that we are in the presence of a very intelligent, assumingly rational man – all we have to do is take one look at his professional and educational history to gain a firm understanding of the hard work and effort he has put into developing himself; if we cross compare some of the other graduates of MIT to Mitchell, it is easy to see which ballpark he plays in – MIT has given birth to over ten Noble prize winners alone. The disclosure Early 2015, Dr Mitchell told the Mirror Online that during the nuclear tests at White Sands, several witness’s believed they had seen alien spacecraft hovering above the mushroom clouds that emerged as the result of the detonation of atomic bombs. His claims lay in what Mitchell believes were an alien reconnaissance team attempting to discover our military strength, according to Mitchell – the Alien spacecraft would regularly shoot down the missiles and thwart any attempts at testing the high yielding devices. There are many other claims like this reported by missile control officers within the pacific boundary, often officers have claimed to witness strange overhead objects floating around in strange patterns and pursuing erratic flight paths. Why? If Dr Mitchell’s claims are indeed true, we need to work out what the intentions of the supposed aliens were. What on earth were they trying to achieve? There is a school of thought that believes there is a group of alien visitors that keep a tab on us, humanity being the early civilisation that it is, maybe we do have an overwatch – a cosmic balance as it were. When the observer newspaper interviewed Dr Mitchell, he was asked: What exactly were the crashed aliens doing in Roswell (sic)? He responded by telling them that he believed that they were observing our activity on the proving grounds of White Sands nuclear test site. Mitchell goes on to mention that the existence of the alien visitors is kept a secret from the public not due to fear of widespread disbelief, rather, a fear that the monetized interests of big business could go into a state of irrelevance if we were given the chance to harbour the technology. Making sense of the claim What is interesting and different about Edgar Mitchell’s claims is the fact that at no point does he say “yes Aliens are definitely saving us”, more, his claim is rooted in the evidence of eye witnesses and appears to have strong elements of logic and reasoning. As we have entered the atomic age – if there were aliens watching our planet, then surely they would want to ensure that we develop at a pace that is kept safe for the surrounding cosmos. Humanity is but a stone’s throw from interstellar travel – maybe it isn’t at all irrational to believe Dr Mitchell, the scientist with two degrees and a doctorate in relevant fields, that perhaps something is being hidden from the human race. We could potentially be sat on the rock of one of humanities largest discoveries whilst large businesses allegedly hold the keys to the door of full disclosure, will we ever find out for sure? That is the question we all need to ask ourselves from within. My advice, don’t stop digging, don’t stop believing, always question the assumed realities and never stop being human. READ MORE:

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...ampaign=buffer

Viking

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Any agenda of hostility against the Human Race comes largely, almost entirely, from the Human Race itself.

The 'Alien Agenda' is complex, and quite various in my opinion, because there are various races involved (most are onlookers), and whereas there might be and probably is one faction or another that is not benevolent or particularly helpful towards us, the vast majority of ET involvement is, on the contrary, 100% on the side of good.

[Matthew]

Here's a thought. If aliens are on the side of good they may be worried about our disproportionate number of nuclear bombs. I don't see this as the responsibility of TPtuB it's our responsibility. We are humans and this is our human world, the effect is our combined responsibility. We are the bricks in the wall.

So aliens might neutralise one or two bombs or so. We shouldn't have to be babies we have to look after ourselves, yet there is still a ridiculous number of nuclear bombs and very aggresive behaviour between nation states. This is us and what we are like as a species apparently. If the wars and devastation and nuclear threat doesn't subside, and the earth and other animals are at risk.. what should a 'good' alien do?

It's a line of thinking for the sake of a thought experiment. For me it brings to mind how important it might be to take reasonable action and give ourselves a voice.

[Curiosity]

It's really simple. Hostile or benevolent? indirectly they are all hostile. All of the alien races lives here depend on the resource this planet provides.
Will they intervene to stop nuclear war? Absolutely, but it wont be because they care about us. They simply need the resources to survive.
The horrible part is we are the workers that provide some of the resources the need. Even worse, we are not only their slaves but probably on the menu for some of them.
The ones that look like us and have infiltrated and taken over the governments of the world only serve to preserve the resources and and control us and keep us disillusioned to reality. It's really simple.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by Curiosity (here)
It's really simple. Hostile or benevolent? indirectly they are all hostile. All of the alien races lives here depend on the resource this planet provides.
Will they intervene to stop nuclear war? Absolutely, but it wont be because they care about us. They simply need the resources to survive.
The horrible part is we are the workers that provide some of the resources the need. Even worse, we are not only their slaves but probably on the menu for some of them.
The ones that look like us and have infiltrated and taken over the governments of the world only serve to preserve the resources and and control us and keep us disillusioned to reality. It's really simple.

Why on on earth would they want our resources...do you think we are the only planet with what we have...you've been watching too many movies my friend. Whatever we have I am sure there is an abundance up there. IMO once we graduate here on earth we will be invited to the higher dimensions of galactic beings. If you don't follow the universal laws then you will be destined to go back to school....

Bumped into this strangely enough...

"GOD'S LAWS
One of the most important things that you must eventually learn is that if you do not do it (this saving of your nation in freedom) USING GOD'S LAWS IN EVERY WAY--YOU WILL BE DESTINED TO FIGHT THE BATTLE AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN UNTIL YOU DO IT WITHOUT BREAKING THOSE LAWS BY MURDER AND/OR ANY OTHER WAY WHICH DEFIES THEM. IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE "HILL" BY FORCE OF WEAPONS AND DEATH--YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING OTHER THAN POSTPONE THE GLORY--ONE MORE TIME. IF YOU MARCH IN UNISON WITH GOD's LAWS--YOU WILL PREVAIL. WOULD IT NOT BE GLORIOUS TO PREVAIL IN RADIANCE? THIS WILL TAKE SOME PONDERING.
CALL ON GOD FOR HELP
It takes just 3% of you-the-people to change 100% of your circumstances! God will "intervene" when you get ready to ask His participation FOR THE RIGHT REASONS--and those reasons are NOT for your greedy purposes. If you cannot learn the proper lessons and release those physical attachments--you are not ready for the higher experiences nor will you be welcome aboard any placement in the higher realms of total freedom and peaceful life-style among "knowing" life-forms. Even a "warrior for God" who resorts to bullets has not learned his lessons to perfection. The mind is far more powerful than any laser invented--when you are ready to realize it. GOD WAITS. WE, THE HOSTS, ARE AT READY WHEN YOU ARE!"

Viking

[Curiosity]

Posted by viking (here)

Posted by Curiosity (here)
It's really simple. Hostile or benevolent? indirectly they are all hostile. All of the alien races lives here depend on the resource this planet provides.
Will they intervene to stop nuclear war? Absolutely, but it wont be because they care about us. They simply need the resources to survive.
The horrible part is we are the workers that provide some of the resources the need. Even worse, we are not only their slaves but probably on the menu for some of them.
The ones that look like us and have infiltrated and taken over the governments of the world only serve to preserve the resources and and control us and keep us disillusioned to reality. It's really simple.

Why on on earth would they want our resources...do you think we are the only planet with what we have...you've been watching too many movies my friend. Whatever we have I am sure there is an abundance up there.
Viking

If they are here they will want/need the resources here. simple as that. Where is there animal, plant or humans anywhere near here? simple as that my friend.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by Curiosity (here)

Posted by viking (here)

Posted by Curiosity (here)
It's really simple. Hostile or benevolent? indirectly they are all hostile. All of the alien races lives here depend on the resource this planet provides.
Will they intervene to stop nuclear war? Absolutely, but it wont be because they care about us. They simply need the resources to survive.
The horrible part is we are the workers that provide some of the resources the need. Even worse, we are not only their slaves but probably on the menu for some of them.
The ones that look like us and have infiltrated and taken over the governments of the world only serve to preserve the resources and and control us and keep us disillusioned to reality. It's really simple.

Why on on earth would they want our resources...do you think we are the only planet with what we have...you've been watching too many movies my friend. Whatever we have I am sure there is an abundance up there.
Viking

If they are here they will want/need the resources here. simple as that. Where is there animal, plant or humans anywhere near here? simple as that my friend.

Well of course they will need to survive if they are here...it's a rather silly argument my friend ... Your statement that they are all hostile has no foundation.

Don't believe everything you see in the movies...they are designed to plant the wrong seeds.

Viking

[Eric J (Viking)]

A small snip I bumped into...


Are there any lighted brotherhood craft inside the “SECRET” bases? Of course. “Then why don’t you stop that which goes on in evil portent?” Why would we? It is not our business—it is YOUR business. Your adversary is given nothing which will allow MAN into the outer cosmos with his evil tricks—Earth is one of the planets whereon Satan was placed and you have allowed almost 100% corruption. I don’t need your place and if you are of God—neither do you. Shan has evolved and the places secured and wondrouslybeautiful—coulditbeyouallexpectthewrongthings? Isyourworldofhumanspeciesworthy of mass “rapture” into placement of radiance? No, I do not judge any individual—however, I do perceive dark ignorance and refusal to turn away from that which is totally physically-oriented unto flesh sensi- tivities. I know that God says there will be no evil allowed within the perfections of HIS places—and there you have it. That does not mean there is not placement in safety for continuing journey—but it DOES MEAN THAT EVIL SHALL BE LEFT TO THE PHYSICAL PLANE OR LOWER PLANE OF EX- PERIENCE. ICARENOTTHATWHICHYOUCHOOSEEXCEPTTHATILOVEYOUASA PART OF MYSELF AND I WOULD HAVE YOU IN JOY—BUT I HONOR YOUR CHOICES JUST AS DOES CREATOR FOR IT IS NOT MINE TO DO OTHERWISE.
We are there constantly in meeting and reasoning with leaders of your place. They certainly do not tell you of those visits for they plan to terrify you with “presence” of “aliens”. If you knew not about IranGate why thinkyouthattheywouldtellyouGodiscalling? THELASTTHINGTHEYWANTYOUTOKNOW IS THAT GOD IS CALLING.
Do some of the craft that come and go from, say, Nellis Field in Area 51 come from our Command? Yes, and further, your Elite bullies know they cannot do a thing about it—but you see, they also know we will not interfere for our commission is to bring Truth—THE WORD. Well, they too, are being given the word first hand with demonstrations and they still plan to fulfill PLAN 2000 according to their own structuring. Oh yes, at some point it will come to a head—and probabilities are that there will be a “very big bang”. However, that must not be your prime nor urgent concern—you simply need recognize that God is waiting and the Hosts are about our work and in your “space” and if YOU do YOUR work in open awareness, you shall be able to reverse this evil steam-roller. If not, the children who continue to serve God—shall be brought into safety—it is that simple, for we have been sent to show you the way and bring you home. I care not to have anyone aboard my craft who would rather be elsewhere. This is simply the last segment of “time” for choosing.

Viking

[Curiosity]

Posted by viking (here)

Posted by Curiosity (here)

Posted by viking (here)

Posted by Curiosity (here)
It's really simple. Hostile or benevolent? indirectly they are all hostile. All of the alien races lives here depend on the resource this planet provides.
Will they intervene to stop nuclear war? Absolutely, but it wont be because they care about us. They simply need the resources to survive.
The horrible part is we are the workers that provide some of the resources the need. Even worse, we are not only their slaves but probably on the menu for some of them.
The ones that look like us and have infiltrated and taken over the governments of the world only serve to preserve the resources and and control us and keep us disillusioned to reality. It's really simple.

Why on on earth would they want our resources...do you think we are the only planet with what we have...you've been watching too many movies my friend. Whatever we have I am sure there is an abundance up there.
Viking

If they are here they will want/need the resources here. simple as that. Where is there animal, plant or humans anywhere near here? simple as that my friend.

Well of course they will need to survive if they are here...it's a rather silly argument my friend ... Your statement that they are all hostile has no foundation.

Don't believe everything you see in the movies...they are designed to plant the wrong seeds.

Viking

You are stuck on the assumption my opinion is based on TV propaganda and movies. I don't own a TV. My opinion is based on logic and common sense.
Do you think if they were here it would be for the sole purpose of enlightening the human race? If so they would still need the resources here to survive. To be completely benevolent they would have to show themselves and actually become productive citizens of the world. Simple as that. Are they doing that NO. So anything less can be considered hostile because they are taking resources without our consent and most cases taking things that belong to us that directly effects our livelihood. They are taking things without any compensation. They may very well be trading with the governments, but this doesn't benifit the common citizens. In fact it's keeping us suppressed and enslaved to the dollar. So indirectly this is hostile. And if you recall this is what I said. "INDIRECTLY THEY ARE HOSTILE".

So give me an example of aliens being completely benevolent??