A very high-resolution UFO photo

[Atlas]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The pictures were taken in January, 1960

This was posted in 2012 on this page: http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/...ghting-39.html



It would be interesting to have Guy F.'s take on this !

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

The only answer I can think of is that somehow my friend had the photos confused.

Or..... that the Gulf Breeze photos were indeed faked (or 'borrowed' from elsewhere). There have been a number of accusations of a hoax.

Here's a page showing the original photos that Ed Walters claimed to have taken:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050205....co.uk/gbp.htm

The ones shown in these posts...

#36, #37

...are NOT among them.

Can you (buares, Amzer Zo) help me — slowly, carefully! — to understand this a little better? (In the meantime, my friend is going to ask Guy F — yes, this is indeed my friend's friend — for his personal, detailed story...)

[Atlas]

You can find some more photos in Mike Hawkins' collection here: https://myspace.com/xhawkins/mixes/c...-photos-442168

[Atlas]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The original was sent to Art Bell

The photos were indeed submitted to Art Bell in 1999: https://web.archive.org/web/19991110...com/ufos3.html

[Roisin]

Posted by Arak (here)
My first impression was that this is fake. Most like due the the fact that there is a) no motion blur (which could be explained if UFO would have been hovering), b) there is something wrong with the focus area (too sharp to be behind the trees, too small to be closer than trees), c) image has artefacts around the ufo (which could be becouse of heavy JPEG compression ofc, would need to see the original or better scan to judge better). And if this image is pre-cgi era I would say that this is done by throwing this UFO in the air and snapping then the picture.

I've been a graphic artist since the 80's and I taught Photoshop at a community college. I was educated at The Cleveland Institute of Art and Parsons School of Design in Manhattan. Those are JPG compression artifacts but it doesn't necessarily mean that they are there due to "heavy" compression at all because they can show up in photos that have only been compressed "a little" in the process of changing file formats.

[Hervé]

So... what is it?

Fighter jet or helicopter?

Anyway, that jet is on a collision course with Earth...

[Bill Ryan]

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Thanks, Everyone...

My friend is having lunch with Guy F next Tuesday, and has asked me for a list of questions to put to him. Not as an interrogation, at all — but as a straightforward request for clarification.

My suspicion now (but it's really quite confusing!) is that Guy F did indeed take original photos in Peru in 1960, but that some of them have (a) been 'borrowed' and doctored, and/or (b) innocently (or possibly mischievously) misrepresented as being related to other incidents/sightings.

[GoodETxSG]

Location, location, location...

I am sure if we cropped a piece of the photo (Leaving the UFO out) that shows a clear picture of the tree's, tree line, shadows on the ground, terrain & sky there are several type's of professionals that can help us. Maybe a photo sent to a Botanist or Horticulturalist the Tree "Family" or "Type" and "Indigenous Place of Origin" etc... (I don't know the Lingo) can be ID'ed...

Also, I remember that Intel Assets used to be able to tell from outdoor photo's and angle of shadows the relative Latitude and location (No matter the time of day) by Terrain and Vegetation. Maybe an "Ad-Hoc" combination of professionals can be pinged by any of us (With the same prepped photo) who have such contacts for their input?

Just a thought and a way to Vet this a little further...

[Atlas]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Anyway, that jet is on a collision course with Earth...

Thanks Amzer Zo, from "Mike Hawkins Exposed !" (https://web.archive.org/web/20030815...kins/hawk1.php), Tom King says that Mike Hawkins doctored some of his photos/videos for money/fame and that he claimed to have received the photos in his mailbox from anonymous source.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
My suspicion now (but it's really quite confusing!) is that Guy F did indeed take original photos in Peru in 1960

I personally think that these photos are from Florida because these trees are Pinus echinata and are not on the list of trees commonly found in Peru.

[Hervé]

Posted by buares (here)
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I personally think that these photos are from Florida because these trees are Pinus echinata and are not on the list of trees commonly found in Peru.

Thanks buares... hat's off again!

I too was wondering about these trees growing up in Peru since they looked very consistent with the Gulf Breeze environment as seen on the video you posted around the 07:00 minute mark.

[GoodETxSG]

It appears we have the first of a few questions for this source.

Also the Helicopter that is captured in a couple of the frames is one that has been used for some time (Since the 60's) and as a very powerful weapons platform and locations where they were "Based" during the claimed time frame shouldn't be hard to determine IMHO.

I do believe the Southern States including TX, LA and FL had them stationed during that time frame (I have no idea about around Peru unless it was a Navy version from a "Carrier" but range would be an issue and Jets would make more sense. This type of aircraft would be more of an "Expedient" Intercept choice, one that in the area and could be a quick show of force (Again, speculation & IMHO).

I would have to do more digging though and am having Internet issues... Maybe someone else can "Google Around" for that info?



Bell AH-1 Cobra / HueyCobra (Bell 209) Attack Helicopter
http://www.militaryfactory.com/image...urrentPic=pic4

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by buares (here)
[...]

I personally think that these photos are from Florida because these trees are Pinus echinata and are not on the list of trees commonly found in Peru.

Thanks buares... hat's off again!

I too was wondering about these trees growing up in Peru since they looked very consistent with the Gulf Breeze environment as seen on the video you posted around the 07:00 minute mark.

Yes... something to remember, of course, is that Peru (like Bolivia and Ecuador!) has a very wide range of different climate zones, depending on height above sea level and proximity to some very high mountains. (I'm writing this now at 9,000 feet on a cool, cloudy day, and there are pine trees sprinkled around all over. Some of those are very likely imports from other countries, and are non-native species.)

Guy F told my friend that his sighting was "in the foothills of the Andes". That could be anything from 5,000 — 10,000 ft high (2,000 — 3,000 meters). This says nothing about the species of pine trees in the area, but is something to consider.

[Bill Ryan]

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I've relayed these summary questions to my friend to very kindly ask Guy F when he has lunch with him tomorrow:

• How many photos of this craft did he take? (As can be seen from the above posts, there seem to be many different variations on the internet.)

• Was there a jet or a helicopter nearby? (I'm assuming not, otherwise Guy would surely have mentioned it, but maybe he can clarify definitively on record.)

• Can Guy identify from the various photos which one(s) he actually took (and are authentic), and which have been doctored by others?

• Where exactly, as best Guy can recall, when, and under what circumstances, did he encounter this craft?

• What rough altitude above sea level? That might be helpful to identify the species of pine tree. buares has identified the tree as a species that's native to Florida — Pinus echinata — but is not listed as commonly found in Peru.)

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's a slightly abbreviated version of the e-mail I've just received from my friend, having just had lunch with Guy F:

He wants me to send him the photos of the ones which were photoshopped. As I mentioned to you he is a very curious person and still going strong at 77.

He said he was in the foothills of the Andes below Lake Titicaca and the UFO was on his left as he was driving south. It was hovering and he stopped the car and was able to take those photos. He said something about hearing that the craft were coming down from Lake Titicaca. The local people were used to them.

He said he probably has the negatives somewhere but has no idea where. He does not remember how many photos he sent to Art Bell but apparently Bell released them somewhere saying they were from elsewhere when Guy specifically told him they were from Peru.

I’ll let you know what he says after seeing the altered ones.

Notes:

• Lake Titicaca (which is at over 12,000 ft) is in Bolivia, but borders Peru's south-east corner.(See the map below)
• If Guy F is 77 now, he'd have been 22 or 23 in January 1960.

[Bob]

Link to the photo? http://projectavalon.net/Peru_map_sm.jpg

[GoodETxSG]

Thank you for the follow through Bill!

So it is not the more precise info I was hoping for on the relative location.

"In the foothills of the Andes below Lake Titicaca and the UFO was on his left (East) as he was driving South." I believe the altitude range of 5,000 to 10,000 feet were mentioned. This should give us some data to start playing around with Google Earth to compare terrain and vegitation for matches in semi random grids. If we located a large grove or forest of tree's of this type I would be colored impressed.

All of my PC's/Server's/VM Lab's are down since my injuries (They say "Plumber's have the leakiest Pipe's" and being a Cloud Admin I fit that description)... I wish I had the resources to scan around and look myself.

With all of the activity going on in the area of that lake, close by ancient ruins and other places in the region I am not all shocked that locals are used to seeing objects similar to this.

This has been an interesting discussion none the least,

[seehas]

Ive showed the picture to my girlfriend she is peruian and she said its in peru, but otherwise ive been to the lake titicaca just weeks ago and for me it looked totaly different. Doesnt help much...

The Model of the ufo doesnt seem to be part of the gulf breeze phenomenon either, the objects from there looked quite different and could belong to another interest group.

[Hervé]

Foothills...

With my idea of foothills...

The foothills of the Andes Mountains near the southern coast of Peru were captured by the Kompsat-2 satellite

... driving South and the saucer hovering to the left... them thar hills should be visible... not there... so, the encounter location was probably even below the foothills (the western ones, the eastern foothills being Amazonian rain forest).

That would also indicate the original, scanned by Bill, to be a mirrored version of the actual site (position of saucer relative to tree shadows) which is easy to do when mistakenly flipping a negative the wrong side.

M. Hawkins posted photo; shows what looks like sandy soil with grooved-in tracks. Type of grass could be another clue?

One question would be: what kind of camera and film did Guy F. use back then?

Starter on Peru's vegetation:

[DNA]

Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)
Great picture Bill, to me it looks a lot like the craft Billy Meyer photographed, same design. You would think design principles would be universal according to function.

I agree, it looks like the Billy Meier craft.

[Bill Ryan]