An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[vibrations]

At the end the situation is quite simple. if I feel comfortable in a forum then I stay, if not, I go. There is no big deal. Embracing the forum as a part of personality is wrong. This is just a place where we share and learn the personal struggle is not appropriate for a simple reason, we do not know each other in person, and we just read a sparks of each ones daily thinking.

This is far away from knowing someone in various situations.

So, any anger, offence or deliberate judging is just a waste of time.

MHO

[write4change]

Paul,

I appreciate your answer but people feel you are too new here to really know. Some outsiders looked at this program and said that it is available. I think Mr. Ryan needs to answer this. Trust has been broken and trust needs to be restored and that is Mr. Ryan's place and position.

Thank you for answering me.

[perfectresonance]

Posted by write4change (here)
Can the moderators and the administrators read the PMs and are they free to do so?

I'll answer this one in a generic sense.

You must never assume that any computer system, such as a forum, is operated in true privacy.

At all times, always, you rely on the integrity of the person/people who are in control of the technology.

If such people have a different outlook, different agenda, or hidden objectives, then that sort of trust is misplaced.

It basically comes down to this: NEVER write anything in a PM on a forum that you couldn't really stand behind if it became public.

Simply write everything assuming it already IS being read by others.

Finally, it depends on the forum software, how it is configured and at what level of integrity the admins/mods operate. But yes, there is theoretically NOTHING that stops them from accessing anything and everything if they CHOOSE to do so.

Or to share it with people that do not have such access.

Funnily enough, I was warning people about that EXACT same thing just in the last 24 hours. I hope they are taking notes.

Finally, a practical answer: If you have the need to have a private conversation, use the PM facility to exchange details on Skype IDs, email addresses or other such methods so the conversation can take place under the noses of different computer techs, admins and mods that have no knowledge or investment in what you end up sharing.


EDIT: (an afterthought - sorry)

And a warning: Just because you DELETE something and it disappears from view? It is probably not gone. Just flagged to no longer be displayed. Think about that before you write anything.

[vibrations]

Posted by perfectresonance (here)

Posted by write4change (here)
Can the moderators and the administrators read the PMs and are they free to do so?

I'll answer this one in a generic sense.

You must never assume that any computer system, such as a forum, is operated in true privacy.

At all times, always, you rely on the integrity of the person/people who are in control of the technology.

If such people have a different outlook, different agenda, or hidden objectives, then that sort of trust is misplaced.

It basically comes down to this: NEVER write anything in a PM on a forum that you couldn't really stand behind if it became public.

Simply write everything assuming it already IS being read by others.

Finally, it depends on the forum software, how it is configured and at what level of integrity the admins/mods operate. But yes, there is theoretically NOTHING that stops them from accessing anything and everything if they CHOOSE to do so.

Or to share it with people that do not have such access.

Funnily enough, I was warning people about that EXACT same thing just in the last 24 hours. I hope they are taking notes.

Finally, a practical answer: If you have the need to have a private conversation, use the PM facility to exchange details on Skype IDs, email addresses or other such methods so the conversation can take place under the noses of different computer techs, admins and mods that have no knowledge or investment in what you end up sharing.

YES, wise words.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by vibrations (here)
YES, wise words.

I agree, vibrations. Can we get back on topic now?

[Tangri]

Posted by write4change (here)
Paul,

I appreciate your answer but people feel you are too new here to really know. Some outsiders looked at this program and said that it is available. I think Mr. Ryan needs to answer this. Trust has been broken and trust needs to be restored and that is Mr. Ryan's place and position.

Thank you for answering me.

There are negative energies flying around (Sorry for my English white4chance)
you wrote this;

Originally Posted by write4change
Levent tonga,

I can tell you are not an original English speaker. I cannot determine what country you are coming from.

I still did not get your answer about your intent to determine on somewhat unrelated.

[ace]

I Don't know Richard never spoke to him.

I know this, the situation the "MAN" was put in last night was "Beyond" what many could imagine.
He strikes me as a man of honour, who works relentlessly in a quite dignified manner.

It's a sad day for many.

Richard: You gave us a rear glimpse of your emotions with the butterfly lady tale.

I Know I am nobody here, more of clown than a wise man,
it's just my way of dealing with life.

I don't feel very funny today.

For what it's worth.

I am sorry.

Ace

[vibrations]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by vibrations (here)
YES, wise words.

I agree, vibrations. Can we get back on topic now?

I don't know If I am to off topic, but for me the most important is that we do not argue about what is affecting me about some written words of someone. We all have our fears and our weak points, so a lot of things can hit me in a maybe innocent conversation.

And when I think that for example you offended me, there is a big possibility that you are telling truth. So, it's better to think about it instead of jump and bite.

Following this logic, communication becomes more fluid.

[chelmostef]

Avalon was working and going along nicely up until Christmas. I have to question everything up until that point.

Is this just a loss of temper that happens sometimes or is there something else at work.... I have to question the motivations upon what has happened here.

Is this an Conceited effort against Avalon to blow itself up? This is the question I ask myself, I have watched the wedges being stuck.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by write4change (here)
Can the moderators and the administrators read the PMs and are they free to do so? There are several people who have experienced things disappearing and feel what they thought was private of joking or between friends became triggers.

As best I know, no admins or moderators can ever read members' private messages. I certainly can't, and have never thought of doing so. Richard has had a deeper level of access to the inner workings of the forum software, but I believe he cannot either.

[Fire Dragon]

Thankyou Bill, i joined this site looking for truth's and for a way to grow, as i was reading the "worm tounge" thread, i began asking myself what am i doing reading this. I have seen this behaviour before and i know the result, EGO was taking over from the underlying virtues of this site. This is fundamentaly a place of information to grow, to learn, find new understandings to become the best of humanity. None of us want to get back to all the b***s**t that we were before we arrived here.
Thanks for nipping this behavoir in the bud and from letting these ego based happenings from distracting us from why we joined here.
Namaste, xie xie, and lets get back to what we are here for :D

[write4change]

Levent tonga,

Today is a day for doing things publicly. In the thread we were discussing I brought up Lord of the Flies and you said my example was not valid because it was written by a man and not a boy. You also said you were an MD child psychologist. I looked at your profile to see what country you are from. I see cultural context as always important.

As an English teacher, I would say men write stories because of their childhood memories and experiences. I do not think what country you come from is irrelevant. Nor do I think one psychological analysis fits all.

I hope that clears up this matter for you. If not, you and I need to resort to PMs as this is not relevant to this topic.

[chelmostef]

No you are wrong this has not happened on AV2 to the same extent... Its happened once before on another platform, look what happened then, we were compromised.

[astrid]

People stressing about who can read what are missing the point!!

Maybe be a few good lessons in here for when we are all telepathic...

[bashi]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
There are no double standards here.

I like that

[chelmostef]

I really hope I am being paranoid, if I am then I will look bad and that's the end of the story. If I am right well, we have to think clearly and logically and not play the game as intended.

[kerbie]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Celine, like many of us, has her own internal battles to wage and her personal mountains to climb. But this forum is no longer the appropriate venue for that to be conducted in public view.

Amen to that! All the best with your searching Celine, I really do hope that you find what you are looking for.

[Tangri]

Posted by write4change (here)
Levent tonga,

Today is a day for doing things publicly. In the thread we were discussing I brought up Lord of the Flies and you said my example was not valid because it was written by a man and not a boy. You also said you were an MD child psychologist. I looked at your profile to see what country you are from. I see cultural context as always important.

As an English teacher, I would say men write stories because of their childhood memories and experiences. I do not think what country you come from is irrelevant. Nor do I think one psychological analysis fits all.

I hope that clears up this matter for you. If not, you and I need to resort to PMs as this is not relevant to this topic.

Just last clearance: Psychiatrist and Psychologist sounds like they are similar but first one requires 6 more years to become one.
Love and Peace

[butcherman]

well said bill, this is a sanctuary for like minded people. please protect this place from what can only be described as a thuggish school play ground mentality, it has no place on these pages.
over the past 5 years the camelot school of life has kept me going through thick and thin keep up the good work .

[Tuza]

Posted by watchZEITGEISTnow (here)
Perhaps a certain threshold for 'whistle-blowers' should be set as not to allow frauds and charlatans in...

Just sayin' (as they say)

You think.