Spiritual Isolation

[SGFlanker6]

I've heard the term "spiritual isolation" before. What is it?

[Guish]

Becoming disinterested with people and society. It's bound to happen when one progresses spiritually but not everyone develops compassion for people so that one can come back and help people in their hell.

[greybeard]

Posted by Guish (here)
Becoming disinterested with people and society. It's bound to happen when one progresses spiritually but not everyone develops compassion for people so that one can come back and help people in their hell.

Yes think this is true but can only speak for myself.
In a way I was more easily moved, more compassionate than I am now.
Compassion arises still but less frequently and there is not an emotional sense of doing good.

Also the circle of friends and acquaintances has steadily decreased to the point where I am comfortable on my own and most of my time is spent this way.
I no longer need people and don't seek any out but if they spontaneously appear then I enjoy their company.

This is a good thread and would have probably attracted the attention it deserves in the main spiritual section.

Chris

[Guish]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by Guish (here)
Becoming disinterested with people and society. It's bound to happen when one progresses spiritually but not everyone develops compassion for people so that one can come back and help people in their hell.

Yes think this is true but can only speak for myself.
In a way I was more easily moved, more compassionate than I am now.
Compassion arises still but less frequently and there is not an emotional sense of doing good.

Also the circle of friends and acquaintances has steadily decreased to the point where I am comfortable on my own and most of my time is spent this way.
I no longer need people and don't seek any out but if they spontaneously appear then I enjoy their company.

This is a good thread and would have probably attracted the attention it deserves in the main spiritual section.

Chris

When I look back at my childhood and adolescence, I clearly see that I was naturally a spiritual kind of child. At school, I'd have no answer if someone asked me what my favorite color was or what I wanted to do with my life. My students think that I'm joking when I tell them that now. I was always empty since the beginning. Talking about the number of friends, yes. I'm no longer keen to go out partying. I'd usually go to staff lunches as a formality and come back early. I'd occasionally be asked why I don't drink or why I don't eat meat. However, the quality of my interactions improved vastly. People open up more easily and trust and warmth are omnipresent. As I always say, you attract what you are.

[grannyfranny100]

At school, I'd have no answer if someone asked me what my favorite color was or what I wanted to do with my life.

In my mid twenties, I was asked what I like to do and had no answer. Same was true of my sister. We were raised to do what we were told including ballet, acrobatics, tap dancing, piano lessons, perfect school grades. I lack any memories of glee, fun, laughter, etc.

[Guish]

Posted by grannyfranny100 (here)

At school, I'd have no answer if someone asked me what my favorite color was or what I wanted to do with my life.

In my mid twenties, I was asked what I like to do and had no answer. Same was true of my sister. We were raised to do what we were told including ballet, acrobatics, tap dancing, piano lessons, perfect school grades. I lack any memories of glee, fun, laughter, etc.

I had a rough childhood as well. There were parent fights and my brother and I got beaten from time to time. While I came out of it in a rather positive manner, my brother still holds grudges against them. He hardly talks to them at an age of 27 years old. Our parents couldn't have showed us what they didn't know. Hopefully, I give my son a great environment for his growth.

[joeecho]

To me, 'spiritual isolation' is a misnomer.

The spirit is never ever isolated.

Isolation is experienced in the realm of duality. Spirit is aware of the experience of isolation within duality but is not part of it.

[Guish]

Posted by joeecho (here)
To me, 'spiritual isolation' is a misnomer.

The spirit is never ever isolated.

Isolation is experienced in the realm of duality. Spirit is aware of the experience of isolation within duality but is not part of it.

Good point. That's why compassion occurs on its own. You are not isolated but you appear to be isolated from the point of view of others. For example, I won't be drinking with colleagues. I usually talk less as well as I realised that we are just interpreting things and therefore it's not so important. Talking less gives the impression of being isolated as well. Once again from the point of view of others. Last week, my father was so excited about buying a new car after his retirement and he was talking about it. He highlighted the fact that I didn't seem to be interested at all about it. There's also my wife who keeps reminding me that I am useless when it comes to having a conversation. Haha.

[joeecho]

Posted by Guish (here)

Posted by joeecho (here)
To me, 'spiritual isolation' is a misnomer.

The spirit is never ever isolated.

Isolation is experienced in the realm of duality. Spirit is aware of the experience of isolation within duality but is not part of it.

Good point. That's why compassion occurs on its own. You are not isolated but you appear to be isolated from the point of view of others. For example, I won't be drinking with colleagues. I usually talk less as well as I realised that we are just interpreting things and therefore it's not so important. Talking less gives the impression of being isolated as well. Once again from the point of view of others. Last week, my father was so excited about buying a new car after his retirement and he was talking about it. He highlighted the fact that I didn't seem to be interested at all about it. There's also my wife who keeps reminding me that I am useless when it comes to having a conversation. Haha.

Aye Matey!

As my current signature (line from a movie) reads:

You don't touch...
so you're touching through me.
You don't feel...
so you're feeling through me.

Spirit is aware of these feeling and what effect and affect they have but does not 'itself' feel them however it does have, in a sense, a proxy for that.

The spirit is not trapped/ isolated no matter how big the box is. No matter the size, a box is still a box.

[ulli]

Isolation means that there is no bonding.

And the ultimate bonding, or opposite of isolation,
is actually a merger. Two (or more) becoming as one.
So here there are two options....
The voluntary merging of two consenting beings,
or the invasive type, where one controls the other,
via physical force, or deception, or psychic manipulation.

The bottom line of this has to do with personal intent.
The predator types are usually after something...they know what they want,
and they know this because they know what they are lacking.

When a person finds wholeness within themselves they become connected to a greater whole,
That cosmic All and everything. The German word for universe is All, or Weltall, the German word Welt means world.
The strange paradox here is that the true connection with this All is not possible by connecting with another person,
or group, but needs a very private approach, a connection with the innermost self.
All the other methods which promise a connection with the All, such as tantra, cults, religions, movements,
will always end up engulfing an individual and his or her chances of getting to realize true spiritual connectedness.
To become aware of spiritual isolation means one is at least searching for the true connection.

And once they have discovered that it is found in self acceptance, and can actually remain in a state of isolation without feeling the need to have others around, then they can come out again, and mingle with others, based on the inner freedom found.
And mingle, and connect, and even merge, with the intent of sharing what they have to offer, rather than draining others.

[Innocent Warrior]

I've heard the term "spiritual isolation" before. What is it?

It's a contradiction in terms. The disinterest in people etc. isn't isolation, it's detachment, big difference.

[ZooLife]

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)

I've heard the term "spiritual isolation" before. What is it?

It's a contradiction in terms. The disinterest in people etc. isn't isolation, it's detachment, big difference.

Yes!


The appearance of isolation is just that... an appearance. Even if it appears persistent, it is still just that.... an appearance.


That appearance can be observed internally or externally but guess what.... yep.....it's an appearance of such.


An example though one of many:

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

Spiritual Isolation may manifest as physical isolation and then if the universe has deemed you a certain type of person and you're not mingling with your birds of a feather it may place you in what most consider hell, not a pleasant experience. The cost of spiritual advancement can at times be painful, if interaction with others is more painful than the hell you're placed in then the universe will force you to make painful decisions, maybe none of them will feel totally acceptable (compromise can only be called that if your base moral needs are being met in the process) but only a position you are placed in by an archaic, faulted, numerous manipulated paradigm, that do to its current construct doesn't know what to do with rapid spiritual advancement. I look forward moving onto another planet...

[Camilo]

In my view, every person on the path of enlightment goes through a period of spiritual isolation, which could be interpreted as necessary while the shift in the way you perceive reality takes place.

[greybeard]

Posted by Camilo (here)
In my view, every person on the path of enlightment goes through a period of spiritual isolation, which could be interpreted as necessary while the shift in the way you perceive reality takes place.

I agree with this Camilo and I also agree with Joeecho.

Joeecho brings a lot without words which is very effective.
It is also true that anything observed is just an appearance in duality.

However in the context of the thread.
Again I can only speak of my own experience and those I have listened to like Bart Marshal

The prayer is to remove all obstacles preventing the realisation of the Self. ie Self realisation.
When I got serious about this changes happened in my life automatically.

I wont go into great detail but once upon a time I had a fairly high end income and was the chairman of various bodies.
Now I have everything I need, but some would say its a pittance--We live in Council accommodation and have a fifteen year old car.

I am free of responsibilities and have the time to spend on my priority which is realising the Self.

So yes there is spiritual isolation --I did not choose this---I am not lonely

There is love whenever I meet old friends or the checkout person.

In my case I think Spiritual isolation is necessary and a gift.
It got me over thinking I was an important person

The Realised say that they see life, fresh, real, more alive, and loving than pre Realisation.
They tend to be busy in the world.
Spiritual isolation, it would seem, is part of the process but certainly not a permanent situation.

Chris.

[Finefeather]

Posted by SGFlanker6 (here)
I've heard the term "spiritual isolation" before. What is it?

This is an old esoteric term which has been somewhat forgotten and especially misinterpreted.

The word 'Spirit' has been altered to the point of loosing it's entire meaning.
Some people think spirit is what we are when we 'die'... Mediums talk of letting spirits converse with us during seances... and there are probably many who have their own idea of what it might mean.
We have heard the occultists talk of Body, Soul and Spirit... even to the point of isolating these as if they existed independently... but do they?

Body, Soul and Spirit is actually one of the many forms of the trinity of life and they can be found in every religion and philosophy in existence.

In the bible we have Father, Son and The Holy Ghost... In the Hindu system we have Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma.

Each of these actually represent what esoterics calls Motion(energy), Consciousness and Matter...

In ancient days the idea of these 3 aspects of the trinity of life literally became Gods who rule the Cosmos in each of these 3 aspects.
So in Hindi, Shiva is the God of energy... Vishnu is the God of consciousness... and Brahma is the God of matter… and no doubt they are myths... which are used in the same way as the Christian religion uses God, Jesus and Hu-Man.
God is simply the spirit or energy aspect… Jesus represents the Consciousness aspect and Man the matter or physical aspect of life.

Jeshu, the man known as Jesus in the bible allowed his body to be used by Christos-Maitreya… a non-human highly evolved being... to attempt to bring esoteric teaching to the masses regarding the consciousness aspect… christ consciousness is about unity and love. No doubt it failed as we can see in the chaos and fiction of the religions and others who attempt to teach his word with complete failure.

Sorry for the little divergence... it just slipped out

Now… because there are ONLY these 3 aspects in life, everything that exists consists of ONLY these 3 aspects... but these 3 aspects can never exist separately... they can only vary in their intensity of manifestation, depending on the atomic world we exist in.

Spirituality is esoterically determined by the level of the active atomic levels of our consciousness.

So the more spiritual a person the less that person is bound by physicalism or materialism or matter.

And the less spiritual a person is the more that person is bound by physicalism or materialism or matter.

This less spiritual person is thus said to be spiritually isolated because he has a long way to go before he becomes more energy conscious.

We should note that never are these aspects truly isolated because nothing can exist without all 3 of these aspects.

Don't believe me? Well when you have found anything that exists that does not have all 3 of these aspects let us know... because it is simply not possible... because life is ONLY Energy, Consciousness and matter… the only true absolutes in existence.

So if one is spiritually isolated it is a self inflicted state which we all start off in at the beginning of our life in the human kingdom... and it is up to each of us to seek unity and love... which can also therefore mean that the more we isolate ourselves the more spiritually isolated we will be because life is about unity and brotherhood of man.

Those who think that by opting out of life they will suddenly become enlightened and experience nirvana and all manner of mystical things are sadly mistaken... they will remain isolated from 'spirit'... the true goal for humans is consciousness development taught by Christos which is unity and love.

There are 48 atomic worlds above the physical. We live in the bottom 3 which is equivalent to the physical world(49), the emotional world(48) and the mental world(47)… and the funny thing is... every human has each one of these aspects else he would not exist… another lessor trinity lesson

Isn’t life just amazing, and so exciting to explore? and we even get to do it for a long time before we get any good at it

Take care now and my love to all.
Ray

[Finefeather]

Posted by greybeard (here)
In my case I think Spiritual isolation is necessary and a gift.
It got me over thinking I was an important person

Chris you never spiritually isolated yourself... you isolated yourself from material noise.

Love brother
Ray

[greybeard]

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)

I've heard the term "spiritual isolation" before. What is it?

It's a contradiction in terms. The disinterest in people etc. isn't isolation, it's detachment, big difference.

Yes thinking on what you have said Innocent Warrior and Ray also.
I think I have misunderstood the term spiritual isolation

I don't feel isolated in any way.
Non attached is the way I would describe it---Its not detached, which is different.
I live life fully with what ever presents itself in the moment.
Its also a bit like a love affair with the Divine.
Bliss arrives unheralded, all by itself--im not meditating when this happens.

So apart from a change of emphasis the rest of my posts stand without need of altering

Chris

[Finefeather]

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)

I've heard the term "spiritual isolation" before. What is it?

It's a contradiction in terms. The disinterest in people etc. isn't isolation, it's detachment, big difference.

I would not consider a disinterest in people, detachment... that would be in opposition to the law of unity and love.

Detachment is what Buddha taught us... refer the 4 noble truths... and it is the detachment of desire.

Desire is the need to attach external phenomena in our lives, in the hope of achieving spirituality... when spirituality... enlightenment if you like... is only attainable by the individual Self.

The confusion comes when we talk of the individual Self which is isolated from other Selves... but we form collective groups of Selves in higher worlds... which is why unity is important.

This human kingdom is where we find our true Self... the next 5th Kingdom, known as the Essential Kingdom, is where we become one in mind and goal... despite our individuality... there is never a merging with anything, the merging is a merging of brotherhood.

Ray

[Kelly Anne]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)

I've heard the term "spiritual isolation" before. What is it?

It's a contradiction in terms. The disinterest in people etc. isn't isolation, it's detachment, big difference.

Yes thinking on what you have said Innocent Warrior and Ray also.
I think I have misunderstood the term spiritual isolation

I don't feel isolated in any way.
Non attached is the way I would describe it---Its not detached, which is different.
I live life fully with what ever presents itself in the moment.
Its also a bit like a love affair with the Divine.
Bliss arrives unheralded, all by itself--im not meditating when this happens.

So apart from a change of emphasis the rest of my posts stand without need of altering

Chris

All the replies to this post speak so much to me!

Chris, I think you've explained very well what I have not been able to in this post and the previous ones...what is going on with me.

I think today also, I've finally reached a point where the seemingly simple task of job hunting seems not so overwhelming to me...because my spiritual isolation I am secure in...and I'm feeling better about rejoining society after a 2 year break.

Now, my description is not detailed either. What I can say is I've felt unable to go back to employment because of the employment atmosphere/reasons for employment vs. my spirituality...if that makes any sense?

Thank you for the thread and to all who shared their thoughts in it! XOXO