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    Default Re: Nuke Japan? hmmm they seem to think murdering Whales is perfectly fine

    The Japanese whale problem in the Pacific will take care of itself soon due to Fukushima radiation. Tuna prices in Japan have fallen off the proverbial cliff. Whales will do the same soon. I expect Japan to focus on Atlantic whales in the near future. The international community has slowed down Japanese whale hunting quite a bit. Asking Japan to end the practice is like asking a Rothschild to give his money away to the people from whom it was taken. And, not all species of whales are endangered.

    Want to get really riled up? Google pictures of shark fins drying on shore. 90% of sharks in the Pacific are gone thanks to a surreal preoccupation with shark fin soup.

    I also try to remember that the physical realm is the realm of suffering. Lots of that goin on.

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    The problem , the thought patterns of humans ... each person must evolve on their own terms ... all of the evils in the world ,japan has killed ocean life with the use of nuclear energy , then after fukushima caught fire they used sea water and radioactive waste ran right into the ocean , and since 2011 mass sea life washes up all over the world everyday ... they are hunting contaminatef whales , which if they touch , cancer is only a mater of time ...
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    I wonder why would Trump say this -

    April 3, 2016

    Quote Fox News Sunday’s Chris Wallace asked Trump, "You want to have a nuclear arms race on the Korean peninsula?"

    Trump said, "In many ways, and I say this, in many ways, the world is changing. Right now, you have Pakistan and you have North Korea and you have China and you have Russia and you have India and you have the United States and many other countries have nukes."

    Trump later added of Japan and South Korea, "Maybe they would be better off — including with nukes, yes, including with nukes."
    That's a statement about "deterrence", right? Pakistan says they HAVE nukes and WILL use them, that doesn't sound like deterrence.
    Instead you expect them to say, "Yes, we have nukes, but we will not use them." ... ?

    Pakistan and India are mortal enemies and both of them have nukes. They've tested underground nukes on each others' borders. But they still haven't used them on each other. They've only been used as a deterrent from open warfare between the two countries.

    Quote The vibe, the mindset is "quick to use the kill" hammer.. with the conflagrations, it is not just a deterrent threat, Syria, Iraq, Turkey - terrorist bombings, running over people.. the vibe is rampant.
    Some people feed into that but I'm actually very optimistic about the future and I think things will calm down, especially once the militant left is made to come to grips with what exactly it is that they have been supporting. We'll see Congress and the DOJ looking back into all of the foundation stuff and beyond here shortly. Then we'll see who is still willing to go to the streets to defend those monsters.

    Quote Jan 1 2017 - Pakistan's defence minister has made it clear any weapon including nuclear will be used against India if attacked.
    Exactly as I said. India and Pakistan have been mortal enemies since they split from each other. The threat of mutual destruction keeps either from throwing the switch. It's the whole concept of deterrence. The way you keep posting these things makes me think that you really don't get the concept intuitively, or how/why it works.

    India and Pakistan have both had nukes for decades and what you see is an absence of open warfare between them. That doesn't fit with your "everyone is about to kill each other" theme. It would take a psychopathic leader to launch a war that they know will result in their own country being destroyed.



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    Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics - "Violence recorded by the police rose by 185,000 offences in the year to September"

    Quote The murder rate in England and Wales has risen sharply for the first time in a decade [..]

    Officials at the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said the surge was concentrated in London and the South East and described it as “peculiar”.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...w-figures.html

    From http://peacealliance.org/tools-educa...s-on-violence/ Peace Alliance dot org

    Quote The 20th century was one of the most violent periods in human history. An estimated 191 million people lost their lives directly or indirectly as a result of conflict, and well over half of them were civilians. [World Health Organization: visit: http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention (2002)].

    • Terrorism is on the rise, with an almost fivefold increase in fatalities since 9/11, in spite of US-led efforts to combat it in the Middle East and elsewhere around the world. [2014 Global Terrorism Index]

    • 2013 saw a 61% increase in the number of people killed in terrorist attacks. [2014 Global Terrorism Index]

    • Since the 1960s, 83% of terrorist organizations that ended, ceased to operate due to policing or politicization. Only 7% ended due to military intervention. [2014 Global Terrorism Index]

    • In the United States since Sept. 11, terrorist attacks by antigovernment, racist and other nonjihadist extremists have killed nearly twice as many people as those by Islamic jihadists. [New America Index]

    • More Americans die in gun homicides and suicides every six months than have died in the last 25 years in every terrorist attack and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq combined. [Nicholas Kristoff, New York Times & icasualties.org]

    • In 2005, 5,686 young people ages 10 to 24 were murdered–an average of 16 each day. [Youth Violence Facts at a Glance, Summer 2008, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)]

    • More Americans have died from guns in the United States since 1968 than on battlefields of all the wars in American history. [Politifact.com]
    From Breitbart - http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...error-attacks/

    Quote Kim Sung-woo, the chief presidential secretary for public affairs to South Korean President Park Geun-hye, warned on Thursday that North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un is preparing a campaign of terror against the South, as tensions between the two countries over the North’s nuclear weapons program increase.
    "The Korea Times reports lawmaker Lee Cheol-woo of the governing Saenuri Party echoed Kim’s warning, and said that South Korea’s National Intelligence Service has information supporting the claim that Pyongyang is preparing for a terror campaign, which could include “cyber attacks, kidnapping South Korean citizens, and launching poison gas attacks.”

    From Federation of Atomic Scientists - cached https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Nonstrategic Nuclear Weapons Amy F. Woolf Specialist in Nuclear Weapons Policy March 23, 2016
    (Suitcase Nukes - the disposition of such remain unverified)
    Quote Force Structure The Soviet Union produced and deployed a wide range of delivery vehicles for nonstrategic nuclear weapons. At different times during the period, it deployed devices that were small enough to fit into a suitcase-sized container, nuclear mines, shells for artillery, short-, medium-, and intermediate-range ballistic missiles, short-range air-delivered missiles, and gravity bombs.

    The Soviet Union deployed these weapons at nearly 600 bases, with some located in Warsaw Pact nations in Eastern Europe, some in the non-Russian republics on the western and southern perimeter of the nation and throughout Russia. Estimates vary, but many analysts believe that, in 1991, the Soviet Union had more than 20,000 of these weapons.

    The numbers may have been higher, in the range of 25,000 weapons in earlier years, before the collapse of the Warsaw Pact
    Quote In mid-2009, when discussing the revision of Russia’s defense strategy that was expected late in 2009 or early 2010, Nikolai Patrushev, the head of Russia’s Presidential Security Council, indicated that Russia would have the option to launch a “preemptive nuclear strike” against an aggressor “using conventional weapons in an all-out, regional, or even local war.
    Quote In addition, many analysts believe that a debate about nonstrategic nuclear weapons can no longer focus exclusively on the U.S. and Russian arsenals.

    Even though tensions have eased in recent years, with their nuclear tests in 1998 and continued animosity toward each other, India and Pakistan have joined the list of nations that may potentially resort to nuclear weapons in the event of a conflict.

    If measured by the range of delivery vehicles and the yield of the warheads, these nations’ weapons could be considered to be nonstrategic. (i.e. TACTICAL)

    But each nation could plan to use these weapons in either strategic or nonstrategic roles. Both nations continue to review and revise their nuclear strategies, leaving many questions about the potential role for nuclear weapons in future conflicts.

    China also has nuclear weapons with ranges and missions that could be considered nonstrategic.

    Many analysts have expressed concerns about the potential for the use of nuclear weapons in a conflict over Taiwan or other areas of China’s interests.
    STRATEGIC NUCLEAR WEAPONS POLICY - deterrence mindset or "MAD" supposed to stop nuclear use on the population

    HOWEVER

    "A tactical nuclear weapon (TNW) or non-strategic nuclear weapon[ is a nuclear weapon which is designed to be used on a battlefield in military situations, mostly with friendly forces in proximity and perhaps even on contested friendly territory.

    "This is opposed to strategic nuclear weapons which are designed to be mostly targeted in the enemy interior away from the war front against military bases, cities, towns, arms industries, and other hardened or larger-area targets to damage the enemy's ability to wage war. Tactical nuclear weapons were a large part of the peak nuclear weapons stockpile levels during the Cold War."

    W48 for instance is a nuclear artillery round - designed to be launched by 155 mm standard howitzers (a 6 1/2 inch field gun). 72-100 tons of TNT equivalent yield.

    Lest we forget the EMP from airburst, from satellite deployment, so that a conventional ICBM launch sabre-rattling would catch the target nation totally OFF GUARD. Plenty of articles on that, and who all has the capability to do so.

    National Review - http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-korea-nuclear
    Underestimating Nuclear Missile Threats from North Korea and Iran

    Quote The White House has not recognized that a nuclear-armed North Korea has demonstrated an ability to kill most Americans with an electromagnetic-pulse (EMP) attack.

    And White House spokesmen and the media have misled the public with unjustified assurances that North Korea has not yet miniaturized nuclear warheads for missile or satellite delivery.

    We, who have spent our professional lifetimes analyzing and defending against nuclear-missile threats, warned years ago that North Korea’s Unha-3 space launch vehicle could carry a small nuclear warhead and detonate it a hundred or so miles over the United States to create an EMP, leading to a protracted nationwide blackout.

    The resulting societal chaos could kill millions.
    and

    Quote And at a time of its choosing, Iran could launch a surprise EMP attack against the United States by satellite, as they have apparently practiced with help from North Korea.

    We live in a very dangerous time, and we urge that the Senate immediately pass the Critical Infrastructure Protection Act (already passed by the House) to safeguard U.S. life-sustaining critical infrastructures against EMP attack.

    We also recommend that a Congressional Iran Advisory Group be formed to objectively assess the Iran deal.

    From the Independent
    - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...-a6861676.html

    Ted Cruz issues warning over the dangers of a North Korean EMP attack at Republican debate

    Quote Speaking about North Korea's recent rocket launch, Cruz said: "One of the real risks of this launch, North Korea wants to launch a satellite, and one of the greatest risks of the satellite is they would place a nuclear device in the satellite."

    "As it got over the United States they would detonate that nuclear weapon and set off what's called an EMP, an electromagnetic pulse which would take down the entire electrical grid on the Eastern seaboard, potentially killing millions."
    "Cruz has said the same of Iran could launch an EMP attack on the US following the Iranian nuclear deal."

    The gamma enhanced nuclear devices (of which N Korea claimed to have) are designed for EMP use, because of the intensity of Gamma generated sufficiently ionizes the atmospheric mid-stratosphere - which ionizes and the resultant energetic free electrons interact with the Earth's magnetic field to produce a much stronger EMP than is normally produced in the denser air at lower altitudes.

    With the satellite EMP deployment, there is no certainty who's device did it, especially if the satellites have been declared "dead" or spinning out of control.. The confusion resultant from non-hardened communications going down may provide a hostile actor who used the "stooge" (doing the deployment) to take advantage and strike hard against the attacked target. Could N Korea be acting as a "stooge" for some other hostile actor?
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    Default Re: Nuke Japan? hmmm they seem to think murdering Whales is perfectly fine

    So what is your angle with all of this Bob? Are you trying to prove that a global nuclear war is about to break out?

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    Default Re: Nuke Japan? hmmm they seem to think murdering Whales is perfectly fine

    Unfortunately its (again) about humans, and the topic on whales vanished...

    However, Japan isn't the only country murdering whales. Denmark, Iceland..
    Its also not only the killing/killed - whales live in families and I suspect stranded whales isn't just disoriented, but maybe deeply disturbed willing to die (suicide).
    Then there is also the topic of captured whales and kept in aquariums (sea world). Beside the tiny space they have to 'live' in, they also have no 'family', besides some practices (again labeled as science) are torture and its not to repopulate but to entertain based on cruelty.

    And speaking of which - this isn't the only cruel thing happening.
    Rodeo is torturing animals, including baby animals, cheered on, sponsored.

    In Asia dog and cat meat trade is a big concern. Its not just about 'eating' dogs and cats - its the conditions they are held, often also stolen - to torture before or while preparing the 'dish' - as its believed the more cruel the torture the more delicious the 'dish'.
    This isn't just small...

    And there are also 'kill shelters' (which I personally find an insulting 'name' - besides its going on and on.) In the US for instance.

    While I understand the 'nuking' part - it would also destroy the land/sea for the animals.

    Around Fukushima also lived animals, pets. Which often were left behind.
    However, there are people still being around - for those animals.

    There are people fighting, working for all the above mentioned. I wanted to share - maybe someone wants to get involved too.
    The last few months all the above (and more though) got momentum - broader awareness, addressing, spreading the topics, saving as many animals while working to change circumstances, laws. Petitions, as also going into and through hell (especially with the dog/cat meat trades. Look up Marc Ching, or soi dog foundation for instance regarding this topic)

    Regarding whales: #OPwhales #OPseaworld
    regarding rodeo: #OProdeo
    Regarding kill shelters: #NYCACC (where daily dozens of cats, kittens, dogs are killed - while the mayor promised to change the shelters as to not kill them, but I guess its more important to hold tennis tournaments..)
    (all on twitter).

    Another place to help - Greatergood (website). Not only animal topics but also Autism, Veterans, Literacy,... Clicks (on special buttons though) equal donations. (I disable ad blocker there, just to be sure it really counts. I clean daily anyway). They also have a nice shop...

    Just wanted to share

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    Default Re: Nuke Japan? hmmm they seem to think murdering Whales is perfectly fine

    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    That's a scary set of data! I took a gander at the demographics for the various years and yikes. Those spikes in the 70's are easier to explain because the population was much larger() and more fluid. However, the population has remained relatively stable since the 90's. As shown in the graph and starting in 2000's these homicides were significantly reduced. The fact that it's escalated so much in a single year is unprecedented and surely fostered by some force unbeknownst to me.
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    Quote Posted by GrnEggsNHam (here)
    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    That's a scary set of data! I took a gander at the demographics for the various years and yikes. Those spikes in the 70's are easier to explain because the population was much larger() and more fluid. However, the population has remained relatively stable since the 90's. As shown in the graph and starting in 2000's these homicides were significantly reduced. The fact that it's escalated so much in a single year is unprecedented and surely fostered by some force unbeknownst to me.
    I was looking for statistics also in UK, there are numerous statistics for many cities in the US, the most odd is violence in NY City has been steadily dropping since the early 1990's. Central America and different countries in South America appear to be up. Just guessing, but there could be early 'programming' activated, something lain in during childhood, then certain buttons pressed.

    With SunPaw's post above, the OP post was about "killing" sentient creatures, and the word "nuke" would be one of the more awful mass destruction killing tools, so the thread took a direction of looking at who could "go crazy" so to speak, and actually use WMD's on humans which would affect all life in the obliteration (depending on the weapon sized used, either "strategic" or miniature war fighting "tactical" (much smaller kill ratio), or looking at the insidious "kill" coming from EMP taking out civilization's infrastructure.

    The "kill vibe" is being stroked somehow, and apparently something in some human takes joy in being a predator to try to one-ups-manship overtake a perceived weaker.. A cat is built to take joy apparently in killing it's prey, and is setup well to do such (apex predator).. A human thug with a gun in a gang mentality appears to develop some sort of one-ups-manship to prove to himself or the peers they are the "macho" of the pack. Why is that?

    Killing anything that isn't needed for protein for sport to me appears useless, same with one-ups-manship.. which would appear to only bolster ego, and de-focus one from let's say creating civilization and group coherence in peaceful manners.

    Back in the late 1980's I had an opportunity to walk with the People in Egypt and noticed that when there were adequate resources present, people were very open and friendly, actually inviting me into their homes to share food.. A LOT of kindness. I asked about why are there wars there in the mideast.. and a consensus appeared, that there are numerous have-nots, who don't have the abundance of food, where land was 'taken' because it could provide an oasis, or something for potentially growing, and it was said that "memories" of the thefts go back a long ways... and the battles continue because of the land(s) taken, the food/water restricted... It was interesting to see kindness verses predatory behavior in action.

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    Back to Japan's current activities -


    (file footage)

    Quote Japan’s so-called “scientific research” program to hunt 333 Minke whales has been rejected by the International Court of Justice, the International Whaling Commission and the Australian Federal Court.

    Despite international attention and outrage, no direct action has been taken against these illegal activities.

    The Japanese have doubled their whaling area in the Southern Ocean.
    "Forced to address the issue just days after hosting Japan’s Prime Minister, the Australian Environment Minister Josh Frydenberg condemned the whalers in a statement on Monday: “The Australian government is deeply disappointed that Japan has decided to return to the Southern Ocean this summer to undertake so-called ‘scientific’ whaling. It is not necessary to kill whales in order to study them,” he added.



    "New Zealand will be expressing its significant disappointment about what is going on there,” echoed New Zealand’s Prime Minister, Bill English, promising to support Australia’s fight to stop Japanese whaling through the “appropriate channels.”

    “Frankly, simply being ‘disappointed’ does not cut it when the majority of Australians want action to stop the Japanese whale-killing fleet,” said Sea Shepherd Australia Director Jeff Hansen in response to the politicians’ comments.



    "While keeping the Japanese poachers on the run, MV Steve Irwin Captain Wyanda Lublink radioed the Yushin Maru #2 harpoon ship: “We have caught you whaling illegally in a protected whale sanctuary in Australian waters. You are in contempt of the Australian Federal Court and the International Court of Justice, and we demand you stop your operations.” Receiving no reply, she further informed the poaching vessel that Sea Shepherd had video footage of them with the whale. “We will take this evidence back to Australia so there can be an investigation.”

    Quote Captain Adam Meyerson of Sea Shepherd’s Ocean Warrior patrol vessel noted the word “RESEARCH” usually painted on the side of the Nisshin Maru is missing this year: “They seem to have abandoned the pretext of the ‘scientific research’ charade.”

    The 8,145-ton vessel MV Nisshin Maru (日新丸) is the primary vessel of the Japanese whaling fleet and is the world's only whaler factory ship.


    http://www.seashepherdglobal.org/new...-go-viral.html
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    the 'nuking' part - it would also destroy the land/sea for the animals.
    We have detonated nuclear devices inside major cities. August 6, 1945:



    Here they are today:



    Everything you think you know about radiation is probably very wrong.


    Should we Nuke Alaska also?
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    Prior to electric lighting, whale oil was the preferred fuel for lamps, and a major industry in New England. Most of the surviving whales can therefor thank Edison's defeat of Tesla and the burning of coal.

    From the article in OP: Australia also won a landmark 2014 decision against Japan in the International Court of Justice but Tokyo has since withdrawn from the court's jurisdiction on whaling cases.

    Tangentially, the head of the ICJ is a Japanese, whom Ben Fulford made some kind of a threat against a couple weeks ago.

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    Atomic Scientist's organization says, the DoomsDay Clock needs to be moved up - 2 1/2 minutes before

    Quote In the 2017 Doomsday Clock Statement, the Bulletin’s Science and Security Board notes that world leaders have failed to come to grips with humanity’s most pressing existential threats: nuclear weapons and climate change.

    Disturbing comments about the use and proliferation of nuclear weapons made by Donald Trump, as well as the expressed disbelief in the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change by both Trump and several of his cabinet appointees, affected the Board's decision, as did the emergence of strident nationalism worldwide.

    Executive director and publisher Rachel Bronson and 3 members of the Bulletin’s leadership participated in a media event at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., earlier today to answer questions about the Board’s decision. Bronson said: “As we marked the 70th anniversary of the Doomsday Clock, this year’s Clock deliberations felt more urgent than usual…as trusted sources of information came under attack, fake news was on the rise, and words were used by a President-elect of the United States in cavalier and often reckless ways to address the twin threats of nuclear weapons and climate change.”

    The Board’s statement outlines a series of steps that can be taken by world leaders to curb nuclear weapons and climate threats. The statement concludes as follows: “For the last two years, the minute hand of the Doomsday Clock stayed set at three minutes before the hour, the closest it had been to midnight since the early 1980s.

    In its two most recent annual announcements on the Clock, the Science and Security Board warned: ‘The probability of global catastrophe is very high, and the actions needed to reduce the risks of disaster must be taken very soon.’ In 2017, we find the danger to be even greater, the need for action more urgent.

    It is two and a half minutes to midnight, the Clock is ticking, global danger looms.

    Wise public officials should act immediately, guiding humanity away from the brink. If they do not, wise citizens must step forward and lead the way.”
    http://thebulletin.org/press-release...ock-ahead10433

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    as well as the expressed disbelief in the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change
    Consensus and science don't mix.. that's now how science is done... haha when will these people get it?


    The US alone conducted over 1,000 nuclear tests, the russians close to that.. so the planet has made it through over 2,000 nuclear explosions... I think this doomsday clock is bull**** fear porn, like most things from the media.
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    as well as the expressed disbelief in the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change
    Consensus and science don't mix.. that's now how science is done... haha when will these people get it?


    The US alone conducted over 1,000 nuclear tests, the russians close to that.. so the planet has made it through over 2,000 nuclear explosions... I think this doomsday clock is bull**** fear porn, like most things from the media.
    It is politics from the "scientists" i don't think its about the underground tests any more but some hot-head wanting to use the weapons in the field. We've talked "doses" for many years, that the dose level internally is the danger (inhaling a particle which continues to exceed safe doses, or eating polonium, again with high dose levels)... I assume tactical devices in the <100 TON range are being considered as "safely" deployable.. for the troops, with a lower level of absorbed particle energy.

    Bulletin of Atomic Scientists have been around publishing studies, worries, for a long time.. fear porn maybe, maybe not.. I think one should read their articles and see for oneself what concern they have on which subjects. My post's snippet was from their article they have up currently.

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    It is politics from the "scientists" i don't think its about the underground tests any more but some hot-head wanting to use the weapons in the field. We've talked "doses" for many years, that the dose level internally is the danger (inhaling a particle which continues to exceed safe doses, or eating polonium, again with high dose levels)... I assume tactical devices in the <100 TON range are being considered as "safely" deployable.. for the troops, with a lower level of absorbed particle energy.

    Bulletin of Atomic Scientists have been around publishing studies, worries, for a long time.. fear porn maybe, maybe not.. I think one should read their articles and see for oneself what concern they have on which subjects. My post's snippet was from their article they have up currently.
    As of 1993, worldwide, 520 atmospheric nuclear explosions (including 8 underwater) have been conducted

    There's some interesting conjecture that the whole "cigarettes cause lung cancer" thing was cover for the amount of nuclear pollution released by these above ground tests, but I'm not so sure.

    We know in the short term there was an increase in lukemia and turmors at Nagasaki / Heroshima, but long term there seems to be little to no effect.. I'd rather use those two case examples to build my conjecture off of than any of the data used by modern scientists with their (ridiculous, imo) NTL exposure posture for radiation.

    I proved this wrong for myself by wearing uranium ore around my neck for almost 3 years (too easy to see in my uniform, eventually I cut it off) Granted that was only 900ish cpm but that's still far higher than allowable limits, technically I should not have been allowed to fly.

    But you're right, I'll have to read those articles a bit deeper to see if what I stated above is true (I'd bet money on it, though).
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    Default Re: Nuke Japan? hmmm they seem to think murdering Whales is perfectly fine

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    Quote Posted by Bob (here)
    It is politics from the "scientists" i don't think its about the underground tests any more but some hot-head wanting to use the weapons in the field. We've talked "doses" for many years, that the dose level internally is the danger (inhaling a particle which continues to exceed safe doses, or eating polonium, again with high dose levels)... I assume tactical devices in the <100 TON range are being considered as "safely" deployable.. for the troops, with a lower level of absorbed particle energy.

    Bulletin of Atomic Scientists have been around publishing studies, worries, for a long time.. fear porn maybe, maybe not.. I think one should read their articles and see for oneself what concern they have on which subjects. My post's snippet was from their article they have up currently.
    As of 1993, worldwide, 520 atmospheric nuclear explosions (including 8 underwater) have been conducted

    There's some interesting conjecture that the whole "cigarettes cause lung cancer" thing was cover for the amount of nuclear pollution released by these above ground tests, but I'm not so sure.

    We know in the short term there was an increase in lukemia and turmors at Nagasaki / Heroshima, but long term there seems to be little to no effect.. I'd rather use those two case examples to build my conjecture off of than any of the data used by modern scientists with their (ridiculous, imo) NTL exposure posture for radiation.

    I proved this wrong for myself by wearing uranium ore around my neck for almost 3 years (too easy to see in my uniform, eventually I cut it off) Granted that was only 900ish cpm but that's still far higher than allowable limits, technically I should not have been allowed to fly.

    But you're right, I'll have to read those articles a bit deeper to see if what I stated above is true (I'd bet money on it, though).
    Yup, agreed - we've talked about the uranium ore pendant - probably the only particle coming off that that would/could be breathable would be radon. For instance in many States, the amount of Radon being breathed in in modern houses, offices, is immense. (one can research radon contamination to see).. radon would be considered an alpha particle emitter (positive charge).

    The former spy Alexander Litvinenko was killed in November 2006 by overdosing (again that dose) with a strong electron (beta) particle emitter (negative charge). Some folks said that Arafat was also poisoned by a series of sub-lethal doses, over time.. where the body could not eliminate the emitter.. sorta like being electrocuted at the cellular level.. Polonium is an amazing element which can generate a LOT of direct electrical power (and heat) for nuclear batteries..

    So dose level again comes in to play. Would they feel safe with <100 ton nuclear devices being used.. I haven't yet seen a good curve for tactical dose levels, and dispersal yet. Somewhere I have heard that there is a tactical use manual that the US army has about using such weapons in the field.. That may be an interesting read..

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    Default Re: Nuke Japan? hmmm they seem to think murdering Whales is perfectly fine

    What about China which has a yearly festival of gathering hundreds of dogs where people are encouraged to beat them with sticks and then cook and eat them.

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