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    The FEMA disaster drill that's been brought forward from August to June:

    From http://fema.gov/cascadia-rising-2016

    Cascadia Rising 2016




    A 9.0 magnitude earthquake along the Cascadia Subduction Zone (CSZ) and the resulting tsunami is the most complex disaster scenario that emergency management and public safety officials in the Pacific Northwest could face. Cascadia Rising is an exercise to address that disaster.

    June 7-10, 2016 Emergency Operations and Coordination Centers (EOC/ECCs) at all levels of government and the private sector will activate to conduct a simulated field response operation within their jurisdictions and with neighboring communities, state EOCs, FEMA, and major military commands.

    Conducting successful life-saving and life-sustaining response operations in the aftermath of a Cascadia Subduction Zone disaster will hinge on the effective coordination and integration of governments at all levels – cities, counties, state agencies, federal officials, the military, tribal nations – as well as non-government organizations and the private sector. One of the primary goals of Cascadia Rising is to train and test this whole community approach to complex disaster operations together as a joint team.

    Recent subduction zone earthquakes around the world underscore the catastrophic impacts we will face when the next CSZ earthquake and tsunami occurs in our region:
    • Indonesia (2004): M9.1 --- 228,000 fatalities
    • Chile (2010): M8.8 --- 500 fatalities
    • Japan (2011): M9.0 --- 18,000 fatalities



    The Cascadia Subduction Zone off the coast of North America spans from northern California to southern British Columbia. This subduction zone can produce earthquakes as large as magnitude 9 and corresponding tsunamis. Scientific evidence indicates that a magnitude 8.0-9.0 earthquake occurs along the 800-mile long fault on average once every 200 to 500 years. The last major earthquake and tsunami along the fault occurred over 300 years ago in 1700. (Download Image)

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    Hia Bill - I've had discussions with first responders on various levels.. The issue still is lack of coordination, and who will be the "ruling agency" that will take over.. , And will the local responders fully comply when someone who has no LOCAL experience comes in to dictate "what will be done by the book.." I've been a first responder myself back in the 1970 era from the emergency search and rescue.. watched the "drills", and the scuttlebutt/splashback.. Nobody being in the same radio frequency band, outdated equipment.. Then the "plan" afterwards, who will take over..

    The Fort McMurray fires can be a micro-example of what one may expect - evacuation, as no doubt there will be fires during a 'cascadia event'. Could an eruption happen? The relatively "small" 7.8 event off NW coast of Ecuador is still creating instability.. A "big one" in the upper NW of the US would continue to rock and roll for quite some time. Natural gas pipelines leaking and having to be shut off, and underground storage of the natural gas leaking (look at the disaster outside of LA in the hills where natural gas was leaking forcing evacuation). Nobody is going to be able to pump out the stored gas safely in a disaster zone, and the continual leaking may create continual hazardous conditions..

    Quote Conducting successful life-saving and life-sustaining response operations in the aftermath of a Cascadia Subduction Zone disaster will hinge on the effective coordination and integration of governments at all levels – cities, counties, state agencies, federal officials, the military, tribal nations – as well as non-government organizations and the private sector. One of the primary goals of Cascadia Rising is to train and test this whole community approach to complex disaster operations together as a joint team.
    I don't think a joint team has a clue how to deal with the complexity of all the events that can happen with a massive regional disaster.. They may believe they do, but if they were to actually GO to Ecuador for instance, get in there, start digging for bodies, survivors, and then try to help the survivors with food water shelter medical and continual medical aid (Like recall the cholera in Haiti, lack of shelter).. The traumatic shock takes a toll on the survivors. Something else to deal with.

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    I don't think a joint team has a clue how to deal with the complexity of all the events that can happen with a massive regional disaster.
    Right. It's kind of hard to simulate!

    Reported in this video (at 3:54), Chris Goldfinger, a paleo-seismologist at Oregon State University, states:
    "We're not completely unprepared, but we're pretty darn close. On a scale of 1 to 10, we're probably a little shy of 1 at this point."


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    I always get a bit nervous when FEMA conducts these kind of "drills"; look what happened with 9-11?

    If I recall, 10,000 deaths was a best case scenario. Worst case was upward of 250,000!

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    Quote Posted by Bob (here)

    I don't think a joint team has a clue how to deal with the complexity of all the events that can happen with a massive regional disaster.
    Right. It's kind of hard to simulate!

    Reported in this video (at 3:54), Chris Goldfinger, a paleo-seismologist at Oregon State University, states:

    "We're not completely unprepared, but we're pretty darn close.

    On a scale of 1 to 10, we're probably a little shy of 1 at this point."
    [..]
    Seems to me, when confronted with mass injury, mass death of one's own community the first responders will get emotionally hit. From experience what first happens with the first 10 bodies one comes across, when taking a break, "Let's go get a hamburger.." (alluding to the "fresh meat" makes one hungry), seriously, that IS said amongst the troops, to try to come up with a COPE strategy.

    Then a weariness sets in.. The first responder starts to NUMB out.. Appearing uncaring, it is really quite the opposite.. its an overload, overwhelm..

    After a while the weariness starts to turn to "taking chances".. 'forgetting' to tighten the straps on the full face mask..

    I'll just bring up a fictional character, "Captain Hawk-Eye Pierce" from the long running TV series MASH. Watching "Hawk-Eye" (Alan Alda actor), the "cope" reaction was seen frequently - in the end Pierce cracked emotionally..

    Between the folks called in to try to recover, and the injured.. the most amazing reactions happen.

    Being in the mash of the things, what happens to consciousness is a very abrupt disconnect, and now and then, unbelievable acts of kindness will spontaneously appear - miracles happen..

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    From http://lagrandeobserver.com/news/loc...big-earthquake

    Personal preparedness will be key in ‘big’ earthquake event

    Cascadia earthquake projected to hit Pacific Northwest



    By Cherise Kaechele
    The Observer, 15 July 2016

    The massive earthquake and the ensuing tsunami that hit Japan in 2011 killed thousands and caused damage that took years to repair. Geologists say a similar event is likely along the Northwest Coast, and emergency managers urge residents to prepare.

    The earthquake would be the biggest natural disaster the nation has ever seen,
    according to a June 4 story by The Associated Press.

    The Cascadia Subduction Zone is a convergent plate boundary that runs between northern Vancouver Island and Northern California. Geologists claim there is a large-scale earthquake, approximately 9.0 in magnitude, looming in the region’s future. It’s been 315 years since the last Cascadia Subduction Zone earthquake. These earthquakes tend to hit the Oregon coast every 234 years on average, according to an Oregon Public Broadcasting article.

    More than 8 million people live in the area that is vulnerable to a quake along the Cascadia Subduction Zone, according to The Associated Press story. In the Grande Ronde Valley, there will likely be some isolated areas of damage, but nothing like the destruction that such a quake would cause on the west side of the state, said J.B. Brock, emergency services director for Union County.

    The projections created by geologists of estimated fatalities and the lasting effects of this earthquake are available — but that’s the important thing to keep in mind, Brock said. They’re just projections.

    “It’s best guess modeling,” he said.

    He said the strongest shaking the county would see is predominantly in the valley, according to projections.

    “There’s a little bit (of shaking) in La Grande, along the river, some in Elgin,” he said. “Most of Cove looks good. The good news is we’re not going to see a significant amount of shaking. The bad news is, we’ll see some.”

    The major potential effects on residents, Brock said, include power outages and a loss of natural gas.

    The phone systems won’t be down immediately, he said. He said should the earthquake hit, social media would be the best way to communicate with family and friends.

    “Have a communication plan. Not only for your family, but anyone else you’re concerned about,” Brock said. “Especially on the west side. How are you going to communicate with each other?”

    Brock suggested using the Red Cross Safe and Well system, a registry that people can check to see if family has registered on the website.

    As Brock pointed out, the extent of the damage naturally depends on the magnitude of the quake.

    “There are different classifications of earthquakes,” he said. “The 7.0 magnitude is just clearing its throat. The 9.0 is the ‘big bad’. Either one of those could happen.”

    The longer term effects of a large-scale quake could cause more trouble for our region, he said. Many bridges on the west side of the Cascades will likely be destroyed, which will affect the delivery of goods and services that come out of that area.

    “Not only will there be immediate damage to transportation infrastructure, but the rail lines and barge traffic as well,” Brock said. “Because of the tsunami, those ports will receive significant damage. The economic long term is more concerning than the emergency.”

    It’s all projections though, he said. The only way to deal with the possibility of a cataclysmic event is to be prepared.

    “Personal preparedness is key,” Brock said. “The emergency federal sites recommend 72 hours’ worth of food. However, I’d say, at a minimum, (you should have on hand) 10 days’ worth of fuel, food, water and medications to be fully self-sustaining.”

    He also emphasized people need to know that it’s crucial to store plenty of water. Brock said we should be prepared for the quake happening in any season. If it hits in the midst of winter, having the proper clothing and shelter to keep warm will be essential.

    Last month, first responders in Union County took part in a training exercise with the Cascadia earthquake as their model. Three different scenes were set up with casualties, including fatalities, to ready the emergency responders for this incident.

    The first responders have an inkling of what’s going to be required of them when this earthquake hits, but the more prepared people are for this scenario, the better off the community will be, Brock said.

    For significant injuries, the Grande Ronde Hospital would stabilize the patients and fly them to a higher level of care. That’s the model pushed down by the federal government for a situation like this. However, with an event like the earthquake, that model, and the resources required, may not be possible or available.

    “A lot of people in the state will be transferring their patients to the same hospital,” Brock said.

    There’s really no way of knowing what resources are going to be available. The earthquake will affect the entire Pacific Northwest and the communities won’t be able to rely on each other for their resources, he said.

    “We have to keep in mind where we live and what sort of help we’ll be getting here,” Brock said. “The federal government and Red Cross will take about 72 hours to respond. The resources that will be coming into help will not be coming to the Grande Ronde Valley first. They’ll be going to the I-5 corridor. We need to have a higher level of preparedness. We live in a rural area for a reason. We’re more self-sufficient. We should be more prepared.”

    Brock said there are resources online that talk about what should be in an emergency kit and how and what to stockpile. A good place to start is to think about what the family needs on a day-to-day basis to sustain themselves.

    “If you’re not part of the solution, you’re not prepared, (and) you’re directly affecting those who need help,” Brock said. “(Emergency responders) won’t want to give food to all 26,000 people in the county.”

    Above all, Brock said, the community should realize that it’s not a question of whether this earthquake will take place, but when.

    “I think that’s important, because that defines the threat. There is historical evidence this will happen,” he said. “It has happened many times before. And there’s significant evidence we’re overdue for it.”
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    Default Re: The Pacific NW Cascadia Big One is Due, Quake Expert Says

    Simon Parkes has said recently ( I think it was in the last Connecting Consciousness show with Jay Pee that the cabal are planning to create a 7 point earthquake along the West Coast on the San Andreas soon.
    He said some want it just before the next election and some want it just after.
    I think it was in the same talk he mentioned that there is a lot of dark energy around Seattle, and a lot of underground bases there, so it would seem that there might not be any deliberate strikes in that area, though the Cascadian fault, of course, could still go ioff at any time, not to mention the San Andreas.
    He is working on organizing the Connecting Consciousness group to do a mediation to see if they can prevent the deliberate strikes, the same group that did a group meditation to prevent CERN from operating recently (when it broke down).
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    New predictions about the Cascadian Earthquake and what it portends
    There is still no way of knowing definitely when the Big One in the Pacific Northwest will occur, but planning continues for when it does.
    For most, the problem won't be so much how to survive the quake, but how to survive the aftermath, assuming you survive the quake itself, which is predicted to cause more fatalities and damage than the Japanese quake of 2011.


    What was most striking to me while watching this was how much denial I think people are in who are still living in that danger zone.
    Having lived through the Loma Prieta quake of '89 in the San Francisco Bay Area, and knowing how likely it was that there would be more coming, I didn't delay long before moving more inland, away from the West Coast.
    Remaining there just felt like madness to me, like tempting fate.
    In my case, there wasn't much holding me there, which is not the case for many.
    But the kind of trauma that people experience in such disasters is severe.
    Even if they survive it, they are never the same, and such trauma can carry over into future incarnations.
    I wonder if any kind of research has been done finding out in hindsight how many people who survive such calamities, having known they were coming, regretted remaining in harm's way.
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    I live right in the middle of the this area. I am in a Tsunami alert area with Tsunami warning signs posted on the roads. I live at sea level. I'm not at all in denial about the quake happening. I accept the possibility of it. There are so many things one can be fearful about, I have just decided not to worry about it. I have taken minimal precautions. The reality is that safety is pretty much an illusion. If I moved from here to be safer from earthquakes I would exchange that for another threat to safety.

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    Quite a comprehensive and precise video on the issue up there with good information.

    Should be viewed by the locals in the Northwest USA.

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    Default Re: The Pacific NW Cascadia Big One is Due, Quake Expert Says

    This is an excellent depiction of the problem, from https://projects.oregonlive.com/maps...uakes/timeline. The 'Big One' could literally happen tomorrow.


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    When it does happen the wall of water will wipe the place like a slate washing it out overnight and there is a good chance of serious inland flooding also. No telling how tall that wall of water will be either but some say it could depending on the size of the quake be a 500 or 600 foot wave coming at them at 220 mph!
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    Quote Posted by peterpam (here)
    I live right in the middle of the this area. I am in a Tsunami alert area with Tsunami warning signs posted on the roads. I live at sea level. I'm not at all in denial about the quake happening. I accept the possibility of it. There are so many things one can be fearful about, I have just decided not to worry about it. I have taken minimal precautions. The reality is that safety is pretty much an illusion. If I moved from here to be safer from earthquakes I would exchange that for another threat to safety.
    I respect your position. I respect you as a intelligent and thoughtful person. I don't know anyone in that area so you represent "people I feel concern about personally". I will visualize you safe and that all is well for all of you there.

    Earth changes happen all the time. The Cascadia events of the past were huge and the tensions still exist that triggered them.

    What I do not really comprehend is the disconnect about planning to live as a group of people on this planet and the way the earth operates. This just mystifies me. Actually I think that once we were nomadic groups that were NOT primitive but moved around with intuition about the way the shifts needed to be managed. It really makes no sense to build gigantic and concentrated cities where floods, fires, earth quakes and volcanoes are looming. It makes little sense to concentrate ANY population in ghettos of impoverished shanties. If there is a mind parasite, IMO it made us believe we needed to cling together like biofilm enclosed microbes.

    In the new world, IMO there will be a mass revelation that we must release our beliefs about how to live and unfortunately I feel concern that this will be a harsh wake up unless we could THOUGHTFULLY and WILL FULLY approach change...

    I loved the Portland arae and know for the moment it must be quite awesome. Maybe we can help collectively relax the earth with our minds? Gentle release of pressures and metanoia are my 21st century mantras....
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    Quote Posted by peterpam (here)
    I live right in the middle of the this area. I am in a Tsunami alert area with Tsunami warning signs posted on the roads. I live at sea level. I'm not at all in denial about the quake happening. I accept the possibility of it. There are so many things one can be fearful about, I have just decided not to worry about it. I have taken minimal precautions. The reality is that safety is pretty much an illusion. If I moved from here to be safer from earthquakes I would exchange that for another threat to safety.
    Hi peterpam.
    Wishing you and all that live in that area the very best of luck.
    Sometimes you just have to make a stand where you are, even though too some people it seems
    simple to just move, all the best to you if it happens in your/our life time.
    Alan
    Same goes to all of us if, say, the Yellowstone park mega volcano, or any one of those goes off.
    The world gets reset again.
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    Default Re: The Pacific NW Cascadia Big One is Due, Quake Expert Says

    My dearest friends still live in California, very near the coast, also in the areas where fires are likely to occur.
    I understand the mindset of many Californians, since I lived in the Bay Area and Santa Cruz for 20 years.
    After moving there from the East Coast, in comparison it seemed like such a paradise back in the 70s that I felt, like I think many others did, that even if it went into the ocean, I was willing to go down with it.

    But if my friends go down with it, I will certainly feel the loss, even if they don't!
    The West Coast has certainly changed a lot, though, and had even changed a lot by '92, when I moved.
    My new home felt like paradise[/I] compared to the West Coast, which had become just as crazy, crowded, stressful, expensive and dangerous as the East Coast by that time.
    (But then, I am one of those very sensitive people who just need to be in an uncrowded, natural setting to really feel whole.)

    It was a gifted psychic who kept having lucid dreams about a tsunami inundating the coast, who knew many others who were having the same premonitions, that finally convinced me to leave.
    That and my own lucid dream about it.
    I met and worked with a man who became one of my mentors, Viktoras Kulvinskas, and who wrote, quite fittingly, this book 27 years ago that is still in bookstores today:

    He is also quite psychic, and he said that he had done a lot of research before moving from the West Coast, and had determined that Arkansas was going to be relatively safe during the earth changes.
    I had to go through a huge amount of personal transition to make that move from CA., but I definitely feel it was worth it.

    But when that Big One hits, and if it triggers the San Andreas fault as well, it will be world-changing.
    For one thing, there are going to be big food shortages, which will trigger many other problems, not just on the Coast, but in places that have depended on the Coast as a food source.

    If I had my druthers now, I'd be living in a self-sustaining, eco-friendly spiritual community, which one of my other mentors, the late Dr. Christopher Hills, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hills ...thought would play a very large role in the future paradigm of the planet.
    I didn't know anything about Viktoras Kulvinskas when I first met him, but as it turned out, he was a huge fan of Dr. Hills.

    I've had a nomadic kind of life, living on both coasts and in between over my lifetime, but each time I pulled up my roots and moved somewhere new, I found a good reason for having done so.
    Even though it wasn't always easy, I saw a pattern of connecting dots that made sense of the healing and spiritual discovery journey I was on, in hindsight, if not in foresight.
    I think I was probably in Atlantis when it went down, and maybe I just decided on a soul level that I don't want to have to go through all that again!
    Maybe that kind of experience has value to it as well, so I am not judging, just musing about it all from my own personal perspective!
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    When it does happen the wall of water will wipe the place like a slate washing it out overnight and there is a good chance of serious inland flooding also. No telling how tall that wall of water will be either but some say it could depending on the size of the quake be a 500 or 600 foot wave coming at them at 220 mph!
    If Mother Earth ever wants to get rid of most of humanity, she's probably noticed that most of us live on the coasts or near rivers that connect to the ocean :-)

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    My dearest friends still live in California, very near the coast, also in the areas where fires are likely to occur.
    I understand the mindset of many Californians, since I lived in the Bay Area and Santa Cruz for 20 years.
    After moving there from the East Coast, in comparison it seemed like such a paradise back in the 70s that I felt, like I think many others did, that even if it went into the ocean, I was willing to go down with it.

    But if my friends go down with it, I will certainly feel the loss, even if they don't!
    The West Coast has certainly changed a lot, though, and had even changed a lot by '92, when I moved to Arkansas.
    When I got to Arkansas, it felt like paradise compared to the West Coast, which had become just as crazy, crowded, stressful, expensive and dangerous as the East Coast by that time.
    (But then, I am one of those very sensitive people who just need to be in an uncrowded, natural setting to really feel whole.)

    It was a gifted psychic who kept having lucid dreams about a tsunami inundating the coast, who knew many others who were having the same premonitions, that finally convinced me to leave.
    That and my own lucid dream about it.
    My first home in Arkansas was in Hot Springs, where I met and worked with one of my mentors, Viktoras Kulvinskas, who wrote, quite fittingly, this book 27 years ago that is still in bookstores today:

    He is also quite psychic, and he said that he had done a lot of research before moving to Hot Springs from the West Coast, and had determined that Arkansas was going to be relatively safe during the earth changes.
    I had to go through a huge amount of personal transition to make that move, but I definitely feel it was worth it.

    But when that Big One hits, and if it triggers the San Andreas fault as well, it will be world-changing.
    For one thing, there are going to be big food shortages, which will trigger many other problems, not just on the Coast, but in places that have depended on the Coast as a food source.

    If I had my druthers now, I'd be living in a self-sustaining, eco-friendly spiritual community, which one of my other mentors, the late Dr. Christopher Hills, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hills ...thought would play a very large role in the future paradigm of the planet.
    I didn't know anything about Viktoras Kulvinskas when I moved to Arkansas, but as it turned out, he was a huge fan of Dr. Hills.

    I've had a nomadic kind of life, living on both coasts and in between over my lifetime, but each time I pulled up my roots and moved somewhere new, I found a good reason for having done so.
    Even though it wasn't always easy, I saw a pattern of connecting dots that made sense of the healing and spiritual discovery journey I was on, in hindsight, if not in foresight.
    I think I was probably in Atlantis when it went down, and maybe I just decided on a soul level that I don't want to have to go through all that again!
    Maybe that kind of experience has value to it as well, so I am not judging, just musing about it all from my own personal perspective!
    It's interesting you should mention the dreams and visions of tsunami's. When I first moved into this house I went up to a small deck upstairs where I can see the water. I actually had the strong feeling and a momentary flash of a huge body of water coming into view from the west. I didn't feel terrified by it, it was sort of mesmerizing. I have always had a fascination and extreme interest in tsunamis. I have had dreams about them as well. I had one about 2 weeks ago. I have a really strong need to live near a large body of water, not sure why that is.

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