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    Default Machine dated at 400 million years found in Russia!

    http://brazilweirdnews.blogspot.com/...ion-years.html

    Quote RUSSIA. In the remote Kamchatka peninsula (map below), 200 km from Tigil, University of St. Petersburg archaeologists discovered a strange fossil. The authenticity of the find has been certified. According archaeologist Yuri Golubev, occurs that, in this case the discovery surprised scientists by its nature, at least - unusual, able to change history (or pre-history).


    It is not the first time that is an artifact, an ancient object, something like this is found in that region. But, surprisingly conserved, this specific artifact is - at first glance, inlaid in rock (which is understandable since the peninsula is home to numerous volcanoes). Subjected to analysis, the conjunct showed to be made of metal parts that seem to form a mechanism, a gear which may be of a type of watch or computer. The astonishing is that all the pieces were dated in 400 million! of anos.Yury Gobulev commented:


    We got a call from the prefec of Tigil. He told us that hikers that were walking in place, found these remains in rock. We went to the place indicated, and initially we not understand what we saw. There were - hundreds of toothed cylinders which appeared to be parts of a machine.

    They were in perfect state of conservation, as if they were frozen in a short period of time. It was necessary control the area, because soon the curious began to appear in large numbers. Other scientists, americans geologists, defined the piece as an amazing and mysterious artifact.


    Nobody could believe that 400 million years ago could have existed on Earth even a man [even more a machine]. At that time, the forms of vida were very simple, but the finding, [simply] - clearly suggests the existence of intelligent beings capable of such technology. Certainly, such beings would had come from other planets. It is possible that a spaceship can had was damaged [or there was an accident] and it was abandoned in place


    It was found also that the parts have reached to the fossilization state in a period of time historicaly and geologically short. Possibly, the "machine" fell into a swamp. Despite the findings, cautious, scientists prefer to consider that the evidences are not definitive - yet. And Gobulev ponders: Refuse the existence of technology [even in past as indented] is a serious mistake because evolution is not linear.
    The truth is easy. That's why I don't trust the government.

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    Apparently these are crinoids. More BS..........when will it ever stop on this site?

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    Amazing.

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    crinoid fossils

    check your sources & especially question them if the are A) that poorly written and B) when they are called brazilweirdnews.blogspot.com

    Quote Posted by fox.mulder (here)
    Apparently these are crinoids. More BS..........when will it ever stop on this site?
    sometimes we get a little sloppy from time to time, can't double check everything i guess?
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    Please check out the site related to crinoids: http://petrifiedwoodmuseum.org/Ordov...lleryOhio2.htm

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    These are crinoids...

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    So what is a crinoid then in common language?

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    So what is a crinoid then in common language?

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    Thanks. I'll have another cup of coffee and then wake up. I'm half awake.

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    Default Re: Machine dated at 400 million years found in Russia!

    My calculator watch I had in the early eighties was was much more intricate - but not so waterproof
    There's so many things to think about, can't think of anything I'd rather think of now...

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    Quote Posted by aranuk (here)
    So what is a crinoid then in common language?

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    To keep it simple: they are marine animals. :-)

    By the way, the main photo in the gallery that Intranuclear posted - here it is again: http://petrifiedwoodmuseum.org/Ordov...lleryOhio2.htm - is fabulous because it shows you what looks like scattered pieces of machinery.
    It's not, they are all animals.
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    It will never stop because people into conspiracies want to consider the improbable which is why were here. People post things to to discuss possibilities and gather evidence that that can lead to a de-validation of an idea.
    Your input here could have been positive in that regard yet you used one 'bad post' (in your opinion) to attempt to undermine the whole site. I suggest a change of attitude or finding somewhere like the BBC where you would get a narrower range of news that may be more palatable for you.

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    Quote Posted by andrewgreen (here)
    It will never stop because people into conspiracies want to consider the improbable which is why were here.
    To consider the improbable and to investigate with an open mind is valuable in my opinion. Here is a repost of an old story that appeared in about 2002. It is about a relief map found in the Urals and said to be 120 million years old. When I looked at it, it just looked like waethering to me. Yet, I would really ike there to be a high civilization 120 million yeras ago. The story never developed. The page I am posting is just a repeat of the earlier post. Yet, maybe I am incorrect and this is a map, not weathered rock.

    http://mannaismayaadventure.com/2011/09/28/11586/

    I feel no shame at seriously entertaining any improbability and I feel no shame at being corrected by more information. I refuse to be shouted down or made to feel stupid either. If a person derives any satisfaction from being right or any discomfort at being wrong in the field, both are Egotisistically focused.

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    Quote I feel no shame at seriously entertaining any improbability and I feel no shame at being corrected by more information. I refuse to be shouted down or made to feel stupid either.
    Nor should you. Well done.
    Speaking personally, if people, including my colleagues, only knew the kind of "improbabilities" (the quotation marks are optional) I entertain on a daily basis, most of them would probably lose their last shred of respect for me and my rational mind.
    Luckily, it's not their respect that I am after.
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    I've found almost everything that comes out of Russia turns out to be a fraud or "hyped-up" like the Anastasia books (e.g. the author claimed these books will be the biggest selling books in history.")
    I've lived in Russia and the Ukraine & I know many Russians are "grasping at straws" and live in a "dream world" of their own importance (probably like people in every country) so you can't believe them at face value. e.g.




    or

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    - In nature and mechanical design
    there are only a few forms to choose from
    basicly, and then the combine , to infinity .....

    ..

    "Man" must allways have been in communication
    direct with "nature" and many "mechanical" ideas
    are admittedly inspired by natures workings
    ( outer and inner ..).

    ..
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    Quote Posted by noxon medem (here)
    In nature and mechanical design
    there are only a few forms to choose from
    and the combine , to infinity .....

    Man has allways been in communication
    with "nature" and many "mechanical" ideas
    are admittedly inspired by natures workings
    ( outer and inner ..).
    The reason that people come to the Avalon community is because there is an open space here to bat around the ideas that we are drawn to explore beyond the already established. Some here are already well equipped to extract, understand and use the secrets lying around us like pebbles on a beach. These are the Wise to those who have also chosen to appreciate the unknown. These way showers look like Fools to people entranced by the established reality.

    Nevermind says she has a larger perspective than the "rational mind" and Mulder states that the Russian "mind" may hold a larger content of irrationality than is promoted in the west. To be a strong investigator into both "nature's working" and the truth, it really needs the whole brain. To find new information and access visions one has to use irrational right brain and to make sense and utilize for practical purposes in 3D one has to use the left brain.

    There is some overlap of confusion because people do sometimes project the "known" onto to the "unknown" and are misguided.

    There are absolute liars who will try to con people but I do not think this is the case where irrational visions have not yet been backed with left brain application or people were just not informed well enough. I absolutely love being in the midst of those who do not know everything already but know more than I know and can help my learning curve in balancing my own mind. .

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    Quote I have to say that almost everything that comes out of Russia turns out to be a fraud or "hyped-up" like the Anastasia books. I'm someone who has lived for over a year in Russia and I know many Russians are "grasping at straws" so you can't believe them at face value.
    Yeah, but they also have, and have had, many of the most scarily brilliant scientific minds in the world, not much of which ever seeps through to the West through normal media.
    Their schooling is exemplary in its intellectual rigour.
    They certainly shouldn't be judged by what is published in compendia of wisdom a la Pravda.

    On the other hand, there is the profound religious spirit characteristic of many Russians - and their awareness of aspects unseen with the naked eye.
    An interesting combination, explosively productive, at least potentially.

    Quote To be a strong investigator into both "nature's working" and the truth, it really needs the whole brain. To find new information and access visions one has to use irrational right brain and to make sense and utilize for practical purposes in 3D one has to use the left brain.
    There is some overlap of confusion because people do sometimes project the "known" onto to the "unknown" and are misguided.
    SO true.
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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    ...I feel no shame at seriously entertaining any improbability and I feel no shame at being corrected by more information. I refuse to be shouted down or made to feel stupid either.
    Those into fossils know instantly these are crinoid "stem" sections, but for those that don't, they look like marvelously precise toothed gears from a machine.

    Another direction this could go is to be awed at how complex life forms were 400 million years ago. This was an animal that looked like a plant, (nicknamed a "sea lily") with a 'holdfast' structure that looked like a plant's root system, a cylindrical body column that looked like a plant stalk, and a top portion (with a mouth and anus, surrounded by delicate feather-like arms) that looked like something between a flower and a sea fan. Marvelous critters! Amazing cellular diversification for 400 million years ago!

    Have you ever heard of the human body referred to as a "machine?" In that sense, aren't all the forms of life on the planet, extinct and extant, wonderful machines? I'd guess the little disks that formed the body column worked kind of like a spinal column: rigid enough to hold this critter's head upright (where it's arms probably sifted and caught plankton), and flexible enough to allow the animal to sway in the the ocean's mighty currents without breaking (proving Lao Tzu right.)

    We've got to be gentle with one another when we point out fallacies and mistakes. All of us have a teeny tiny bit of knowledge - diverse among us as a group. We gain strength when combining our knowledge, and need an environment where we can be wrong without heavy recourse. Please be gentle with me the next 741 trillion times that I make a mistake. :~)

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    ...I feel no shame at seriously entertaining any improbability and I feel no shame at being corrected by more information. I refuse to be shouted down or made to feel stupid either.
    Those into fossils know instantly these are crinoid "stem" sections, but for those that don't, they look like marvelously precise toothed gears from a machine.

    Another direction this could go is to be awed at how complex life forms were 400 million years ago. This was an animal that looked like a plant, (nicknamed a "sea lily") with a 'holdfast' structure that looked like a plant's root system, a cylindrical body column that looked like a plant stalk, and a top portion (with a mouth and anus, surrounded by delicate feather-like arms) that looked like something between a flower and a sea fan. Marvelous critters! Amazing cellular diversification for 400 million years ago!

    Have you ever heard of the human body referred to as a "machine?" In that sense, aren't all the forms of life on the planet, extinct and extant, wonderful machines? I'd guess the little disks that formed the body column worked kind of like a spinal column: rigid enough to hold this critter's head upright (where it's arms probably sifted and caught plankton), and flexible enough to allow the animal to sway in the the ocean's mighty currents without breaking (proving Lao Tzu right.)

    We've got to be gentle with one another when we point out fallacies and mistakes. All of us have a teeny tiny bit of knowledge - diverse among us as a group. We gain strength when combining our knowledge, and need an environment where we can be wrong without heavy recourse. Please be gentle with me the next 741 trillion times that I make a mistake. :~)

    Dennis


    "Crinoid stem sections???" did you just casually draw that from some easily accessible rolodex in your mind, Dennis? you realize that you've just indirectly confessed to being a gigantic nerd, right?

    though it might make you a few bucks on Jeopardy one day.( "i'll take crinoid stem sections for a thousand ,Alex. <opponents audibly groan>)

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