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Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:00.00,0:00:02.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,\N\N\N\N{\a6}Military Witnesses of UFOs at Nuclear Sites\N\N\N\N\NNational Press Club\N\NWashington, D.C.\N\NSeptember 27, 2010\N\N\N\N\N\N\N\N\NSubtitles by ProjectAvalon.net
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:02.81,0:00:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,\N\N\N\N{\a6}Military Witnesses of UFOs at Nuclear Sites\N\N\N\N\NNational Press Club\N\NWashington, D.C.\N\NSeptember 27, 2010\N
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:03.39,0:00:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,\N\N\N\N{\a6}Military Witnesses of UFOs at Nuclear Sites\N\N\N\N\NNational Press Club\N\NWashington, D.C.\N\NSeptember 27, 2010\N\N\N\N\N\N\N\N\NDeclassified US government documents
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:04.93,0:00:06.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Declassified US government documents
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:06.11,0:00:11.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and witness testimony from former or retired US military personnel
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:11.58,0:00:13.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confirm beyond any doubt
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:13.99,0:00:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the reality of ongoing UFO incursions at nuclear weapons sites.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:21.32,0:00:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I say 'UFO',
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:23.20,0:00:27.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the witnesses have described these craft as disc-shaped,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:27.79,0:00:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or cylindrical-shaped or spherical.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:31.59,0:00:35.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These objects are capable of both hovering and high-velocity flight,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:35.98,0:00:38.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,usually completely silently.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:41.30,0:00:45.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over the past 37 years, I have personally located
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:45.33,0:00:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and interviewed more than 120 of these former or retired military personnel,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:51.25,0:00:56.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of whom report UFO incidents at one or more of the following locations:
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:56.89,0:01:01.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nuclear missile sites, nuclear weapons storage areas,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:01.46,0:01:04.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and nuclear weapons test sites in Nevada,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:04.36,0:01:08.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Pacific during the era of atomic atmospheric testing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:08.95,0:01:11.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe, these gentlemen believe,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:11.70,0:01:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this planet is being visited by beings from another world
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:16.77,0:01:18.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who, for whatever reason,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:18.54,0:01:21.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have taken an interest in the nuclear arms race
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:21.26,0:01:24.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which began at the end of World War II.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:25.40,0:01:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Regarding the missile shutdown incidents:
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:27.96,0:01:30.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my opinion, their opinion,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:30.48,0:01:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that whoever are aboard these craft are sending a signal
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:34.27,0:01:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to both Washington and Moscow, among others,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:37.46,0:01:39.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we are playing with fire,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:39.70,0:01:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the possession and threatened use of nuclear weapons
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:43.26,0:01:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potentially threatens the human race
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:45.88,0:01:48.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the integrity of the planetary environment.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:51.60,0:01:54.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good afternoon. My name is Robert Salas.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:01:55.08,0:02:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 1967, I was a First Lieutenant stationed at Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:01.58,0:02:04.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a missile launch officer.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:06.01,0:02:14.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in March, on March 24th, 1967, I was on duty at what we called 'Oscar Flight'.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:14.89,0:02:22.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a underground capsule hardened site,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:23.34,0:02:24.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about 60 feet underground.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:24.95,0:02:27.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had security guards topside.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:27.59,0:02:30.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The main guard is called a 'Flight Security Controller'.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:32.23,0:02:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My commander at the time was Lieutenant Fred Meiwald,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:37.74,0:02:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now Colonel, retired Colonel Fred Meiwald.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:44.24,0:02:47.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometime in the evening hours on March 24th,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:47.20,0:02:52.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I received a call from one of my topside guards, the Flight Security Controller,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:52.94,0:02:57.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stating that they had been observing strange lights in the sky making odd maneuvers
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:02:58.75,0:03:00.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wanted to report it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:01.11,0:03:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought it was kind of strange report, but I took it seriously.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:06.61,0:03:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to understand, we were protecting nuclear weapons and we...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:10.49,0:03:13.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the reports we generally got were very professional.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:14.72,0:03:17.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At any rate, I kind of dismissed the call.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:17.38,0:03:20.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He called back about five minutes later.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:20.87,0:03:27.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This time, he was screaming into the phone, saying they're looking at an object,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:27.11,0:03:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a red glowing object hovering just above our front gate.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:33.36,0:03:36.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This object was about 30 feet in diameter.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:37.19,0:03:39.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He couldn't make out too much of the details of the object --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:40.83,0:03:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only that it was pulsating and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:45.21,0:03:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he had all the guards out there. He was very frightened,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:48.69,0:03:51.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanted me to give him direction.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:52.03,0:03:56.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I said something like, {\i1}"Make sure nothing comes inside the perimeter fence."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:03:58.72,0:04:01.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He immediately hung the phone up. We...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:01.91,0:04:04.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went to wake my commander, Fred Meiwald,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:04.54,0:04:06.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who was taking a rest break,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:08.04,0:04:11.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started to tell him about the phone call and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:11.05,0:04:12.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just as I told him,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:13.01,0:04:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our missiles began going into what's called a 'No-Go' condition or unlaunchable...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:19.14,0:04:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,essentially they were disabled,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:21.11,0:04:24.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while this object was still hovering over our site,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:25.22,0:04:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our launch-control facility.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:28.69,0:04:31.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At that point, we went through our procedures.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:31.86,0:04:34.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He reported to, back to the command post,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:35.13,0:04:36.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the incident.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:36.61,0:04:38.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also had some security lights,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:39.64,0:04:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meaning security incursions at some of the launch facilities.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:44.31,0:04:47.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I called the guard back upstairs
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:47.40,0:04:51.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and directed that a security team be sent out.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:51.84,0:04:55.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At this point, the guard told me the object had left
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:55.32,0:04:56.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at high speed.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:04:56.82,0:04:59.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, silent; no noise.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:01.91,0:05:03.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The security guards got out to the launch facility
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:03.98,0:05:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reported back that {\i1}they{\i0} were seeing this object again.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:08.08,0:05:10.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They also lost radio contact.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:12.87,0:05:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The... this incident terminated at that point.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:17.73,0:05:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We reset the security alarms,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:21.33,0:05:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the missiles themselves were still disabled.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:26.57,0:05:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had to call in for maintenance,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:28.97,0:05:31.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maintenance teams to come out and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:31.56,0:05:34.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bring them back up on alert.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:34.32,0:05:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The main indication we got from our equipment was,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:36.93,0:05:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this was guidance and control system failure.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:43.29,0:05:45.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to emphasize that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:45.43,0:05:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the security people upstairs had no control authority over
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:49.92,0:05:51.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- they had no equipment up there --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:51.85,0:05:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no ability to effect any kind of system shutdown on our missiles.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:05:56.64,0:05:59.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the control systems were underground.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:01.28,0:06:04.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were relieved the next morning and reported back to the command post,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:04.92,0:06:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry, the base, Malmstrom.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:08.10,0:06:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Reported to our squadron commander.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:12.05,0:06:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was white as a sheet, didn't know how to explain the event.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:15.48,0:06:20.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I asked him specifically if it could have been an Air Force exercise
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:21.04,0:06:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he assured me it was not an Air Force exercise.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:25.37,0:06:30.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was also a member of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:30.09,0:06:31.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the room.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:31.75,0:06:33.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He ordered us to
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:33.95,0:06:36.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not ever talk about this.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:38.17,0:06:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I even signed a non-disclosure statement to that effect.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:43.99,0:06:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was... and I didn't talk about it until 1994.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:49.40,0:06:52.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was able to come across
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:52.25,0:06:55.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little paragraph in a book called {\i1}Above Top Secret{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:55.69,0:06:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Timothy Good
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:57.53,0:06:59.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on page 301 of that book
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:06:59.68,0:07:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a short paragraph about
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:03.13,0:07:06.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,missiles being shut down while UFOs were overhead.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:06.80,0:07:08.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At that point
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:08.43,0:07:11.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the help of Mr. James Klotz, my investigator,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:12.37,0:07:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we requested the Air Force to send us documents
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:16.18,0:07:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about this shutdown, not mentioning the word 'UFO'.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:21.11,0:07:24.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We did get the Air Force to declassify
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:24.92,0:07:27.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what we'll call the 'Echo Flight Incident'.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:27.61,0:07:29.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me back up a little bit.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:29.31,0:07:31.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,During the report to the command post,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:32.03,0:07:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my commander, Fred Meiwald, turned to me and said
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:34.42,0:07:36.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same thing had happened at another site.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:36.42,0:07:40.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the time, I thought he meant that evening, but
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:40.66,0:07:43.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it turns out, the same thing happened a week earlier
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:43.46,0:07:45.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at another site,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:45.29,0:07:47.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he was probably referring to the Echo Flight.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:50.39,0:07:51.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At any rate,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:53.11,0:07:57.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at that point, when we got the Echo Flight Incident declassified,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:07:58.14,0:08:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was able, or I felt I was able, to come forward and start talking about it
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:02.24,0:08:04.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I thought that's where I was.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:04.30,0:08:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It wasn't until later I found out it was at Oscar Flight,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:07.59,0:08:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I realized that not only our flight had gone down
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:11.32,0:08:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- ten missiles -- but
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:13.22,0:08:18.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Echo Flight also went down about a week earlier on March 16th.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:18.65,0:08:22.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have extensive documentation on the Echo Flight Incident
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:23.00,0:08:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we received from the Air Force under Freedom of Information Act.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:27.89,0:08:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have the testimony of
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:31.13,0:08:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Walt Feagle who was the Deputy Missile Crew Commander at Echo Flight.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:37.25,0:08:41.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a couple letters from the commander, Eric Carlson.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:43.88,0:08:48.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Colonel Meiwald has... gave me a radio,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:49.28,0:08:55.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry, a telephone interview about this in 1996,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:55.08,0:08:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I've got that on tape and he's given me permission to use that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:08:58.76,0:09:02.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we've got audio recordings of some of these witnesses.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:02.62,0:09:03.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got written statements.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:04.04,0:09:06.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got documentation from the Air Force.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:07.13,0:09:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of this supporting what I just told you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:18.33,0:09:21.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll have more to say a little bit later about
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:21.88,0:09:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I think we should go from here, but right now,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:24.50,0:09:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll turn it over to the next speaker.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:37.42,0:09:39.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good afternoon. My name is Dwynne Arneson.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:39.41,0:09:43.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to give a, kind of an adjunct testimony to what Bob has already
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:43.73,0:09:45.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spoken about.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:46.39,0:09:48.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After graduating from college with degrees in Physics and Math,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:48.92,0:09:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I entered the Air Force,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:50.92,0:09:54.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got a commission and served 26 years
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:54.04,0:09:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a communication electronics officer
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:09:56.42,0:09:59.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in positions all over the world including Vietnam.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:00.04,0:10:01.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My highest clearance held was
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:01.71,0:10:05.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Top Secret/Crypto/Special Compartment Information,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:05.42,0:10:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Talent-Keyhole.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:07.44,0:10:09.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For those that know clearances,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:09.98,0:10:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you gotta be almost squeaky clean to get that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:13.91,0:10:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Back in 1967,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:16.69,0:10:20.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was officer in charge of the communications center
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:20.40,0:10:23.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the 20th Air Division in Great Falls, Montana.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:24.72,0:10:27.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was also the Crypto Custodian.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:27.12,0:10:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a top secret control officer for the division
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:30.96,0:10:33.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I passed out nuclear launch authenticators.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:34.38,0:10:36.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In March of that particular year,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:36.94,0:10:40.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can clearly recall a message coming through my communications center
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:40.79,0:10:45.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which basically said what Bob has already talked about,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:45.40,0:10:48.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a UFO did in fact shut down
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:48.29,0:10:51.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,several missile silos in Montana.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:51.34,0:10:53.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not being a missile type, I didn't know
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:53.88,0:10:55.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oscar Flight from Echo Flight,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:55.80,0:10:59.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I couldn't relate to any of those details.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:10:59.76,0:11:01.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the fact was that a missile,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:01.93,0:11:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,missiles were shut down by them.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:07.15,0:11:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Later on, in mid-70's, about 1975,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:12.14,0:11:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was commander of a radar site in Maine,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:15.00,0:11:17.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was adjacent to Loring Air Force Base.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:18.39,0:11:21.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Periodically, my security cop and I
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:21.54,0:11:24.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,met with the SAC security police.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:25.03,0:11:29.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on two occasions that I can recall distinctly, they told us
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:29.65,0:11:34.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that UFOs were seen over the nuclear weapons storage areas
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:34.72,0:11:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at Loring Air Force Base which was a SAC bomber base,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:37.76,0:11:40.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as some of you may well know.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:40.25,0:11:43.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what the details were. I don't know if any
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:43.36,0:11:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nukes were damaged or deactivated.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:46.91,0:11:50.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never saw a report on that, so I really can't say.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:50.62,0:11:53.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is history.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:54.37,0:11:57.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After retiring from the Air Force, I went to work for Boeing as a
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:57.30,0:11:59.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,computer systems analyst.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:11:59.82,0:12:01.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bob didn't mention this, but,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:01.18,0:12:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of my first supervisors at Boeing was Robert Kaminski.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:05.75,0:12:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He has since passed away.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:08.01,0:12:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was the engineer selected by Boeing to go out and investigate
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:12.15,0:12:16.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the UFOs that the missiles that were shut down.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:16.22,0:12:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He, living close by where I lived in Washington State,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:19.91,0:12:24.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we got together frequently on Saturday to discuss UFOs and other topics.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:24.65,0:12:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he says, {\i1}"Arnie, those things were perfectly clean,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:27.77,0:12:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}and they did not go down by themselves."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:31.65,0:12:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He then went on to say that halfway through the investigation,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:35.16,0:12:37.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Air Force sent Boeing a message which said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:38.02,0:12:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"Stop the investigation and do not, repeat,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:41.42,0:12:43.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}do not send us a report."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:43.97,0:12:47.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He told me that personally on two or three different occasions
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:47.89,0:12:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and no hesitation at all.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:51.81,0:12:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In conclusion,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:54.31,0:12:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've studied UFOs for over 60 years, believe it or not,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:57.80,0:12:59.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am convinced
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:12:59.65,0:13:03.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that somebody out there is trying to send us a message.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:03.59,0:13:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I knew who they were, I probably would not be here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:07.10,0:13:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks for your time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:17.22,0:13:19.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good afternoon.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:19.32,0:13:21.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Robert Jamison.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:21.64,0:13:25.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Between January 1965 and October of 1967,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:25.93,0:13:28.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was stationed at Malmstrom Air Force Base
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:28.29,0:13:30.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a combat missile targeting team commander.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:30.73,0:13:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our main job
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:32.48,0:13:34.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was to point the missiles in the right direction.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:34.51,0:13:38.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also, we would maybe dispatch from time to time to a restart,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:38.33,0:13:40.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in case any missile goes off alert,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:40.45,0:13:43.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to restart it and verify the targeting data.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:43.87,0:13:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In March of 1967, I was on alert for dispatch.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:48.18,0:13:50.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that evening, I got a call from Job Control saying,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:50.51,0:13:54.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"A missile's gone down in Oscar Flight. Go out and restart it."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:54.47,0:13:56.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which was nothing unusual up to this point.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:13:56.95,0:13:59.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I called my team, and I went down into the hangar.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:00.11,0:14:03.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As soon as I got to the hangar, some acquaintances of mine
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:03.57,0:14:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approached me and says, {\i1}"Bob, do you know what happened?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:06.43,0:14:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"No, I don't know what happened."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:08.84,0:14:11.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he says, {\i1}"Well, a missile, a UFO{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:12.25,0:14:15.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}was sighted over Lewistown, Montana."{\i0} Actually, over Roy, Montana.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:15.88,0:14:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lewistown is nearest town of any significance.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:19.55,0:14:22.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But over that Lewistown... Roy, Montana which is
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:22.60,0:14:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the center of Oscar Flight, and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:24.45,0:14:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when that UFO, at the same time that UFO was over there,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:27.40,0:14:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of Oscar Flight went down.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:30.18,0:14:32.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, that was highly unusual.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:32.92,0:14:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went to Job Control to verify it, and yes, they confirmed it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:37.81,0:14:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was looking at the status board they have,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:41.07,0:14:43.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they have a map of the whole wing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:44.12,0:14:46.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I noticed that everything was green.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:46.16,0:14:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the lights -- they have lights for the missiles sites --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:48.99,0:14:51.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the lights were green except one corner,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:51.53,0:14:53.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the upper right corner was all red.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:53.82,0:14:56.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of Oscar Flight was down.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:14:57.17,0:14:59.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mentioned to them, {\i1}"That doesn't happen."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:00.09,0:15:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he says, {\i1}"Well, it happened once before about a week before.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:03.54,0:15:06.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}A UFO was sighted over Echo Flight and{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:06.27,0:15:09.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}about the same time, all missiles in Echo Flight went down."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:09.70,0:15:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he says, {\i1}"Other than that and this, this is it.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:12.33,0:15:14.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This never have happened before.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:14.32,0:15:17.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Personally, I'm never aware of any two missiles going down at the same time,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:17.52,0:15:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let alone ten.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:20.37,0:15:26.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also learnt UFO... the people in Job Control was telling me
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:26.25,0:15:28.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that earlier that day,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:28.62,0:15:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a UFO was sighted over Belt, Montana, another town in Montana,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:33.64,0:15:36.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a small town East of Malmstrom.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:37.72,0:15:40.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it went into a canyon.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:41.17,0:15:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And immediately, they notified the Air Force.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:44.65,0:15:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We sent a team out there to investigate it,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:46.88,0:15:50.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sure enough, there's a UFO apparently at the bottom of that canyon.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:51.50,0:15:54.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Job Control told me, {\i1}"Go over to the emergency command post{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:54.74,0:15:56.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}they have set up in the Colonel's briefing room."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:15:56.43,0:16:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had access to that location. I went over there.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:00.41,0:16:04.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The room was too crowded to really gain anything. I did hear radio contacts
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:04.73,0:16:08.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a team out on the field mentioning lights at the bottom and everything,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:08.23,0:16:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I couldn't get too close enough to really find out what was going to happen.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:14.83,0:16:20.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I left the room and started wandering around, getting my team ready,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:20.46,0:16:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,went into debriefing. We always go, before a job, we go to debriefing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:24.86,0:16:28.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's where they give us information such as road conditions and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:29.37,0:16:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weather conditions, things that you might expect out in the field.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:33.09,0:16:35.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I went over there
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:35.22,0:16:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they went through the normal debriefing, and then they said to me,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:38.50,0:16:40.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"Now, I want you to go to another table{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:40.30,0:16:43.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}at the other end of the briefing room for a special briefing."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:43.99,0:16:47.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went over there and another NCO approached me.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:48.75,0:16:52.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I knew him because he's sometimes our, was our debriefer or briefer.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:53.07,0:16:54.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he says, {\i1}"Look, we have a problem.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:55.09,0:16:58.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}We have UFOs in the area. They've been messing with our missile sites.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:16:59.07,0:17:03.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}There are certain procedures we want you to do if you should see one out in the field.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:03.87,0:17:06.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he proceeded to tell me what to do. If we're out on a road,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:06.98,0:17:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we see a UFO,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:08.73,0:17:12.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we do not go to the launcher, but instead to the nearest launch-control facility,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:12.16,0:17:14.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also, we call Job Control and let them know what we're doing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:15.48,0:17:17.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we're at a site and we're penetrating,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:18.27,0:17:21.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we have to stop what we're doing, remove ourselves from the site,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:21.96,0:17:26.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call Job Control -- we all have radio controls, radio contact with all these --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:26.66,0:17:30.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,call the Job Control and wait for further instructions.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:30.28,0:17:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, if we're at the site and we're doing our work,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:33.20,0:17:36.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to take myself, my team and the targeting tapes,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:36.91,0:17:39.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go into the launcher, close the personnel hatch.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:39.65,0:17:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, all the teams,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:41.63,0:17:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before you go out into the field, will take ar... take with us an armed guard.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:45.46,0:17:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's just normal.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:47.27,0:17:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to the leave one guard, armed guard,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:50.26,0:17:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on top, all by himself,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:52.44,0:17:55.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he's supposed to report to Job Control or the launch control facility,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:55.98,0:17:57.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what he was seeing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:17:58.21,0:18:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then he... and I says, {\i1}"Okay."{\i0} But then he says,{\i1}"One another thing.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:01.36,0:18:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Don't leave yet.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:03.01,0:18:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}We're going to hold everybody back until we're sure that all{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:05.41,0:18:07.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}the activity out in the field has ceased,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:07.71,0:18:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}at least for the time being."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:10.12,0:18:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I waited around about an hour-and-a-half. We was all ready to go.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:12.96,0:18:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then they contacted me and says, {\i1}"Okay. You can go now."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:16.61,0:18:19.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I went with my team. We went out to the field.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:20.18,0:18:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We went, restarted.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:21.88,0:18:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had to go to Oscar Flight. That's not a pleasant thing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:24.73,0:18:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oscar Flight is a 120 miles. It's the furthest flight from the base.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:27.87,0:18:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in Air Force trucks, that's not the most comfortable ride.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:30.54,0:18:34.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But nevertheless, we went out to Oscar Flight,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:34.80,0:18:37.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we restarted, I think, it's either three or four missiles.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:37.37,0:18:40.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is where Bob was at, at the time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:40.62,0:18:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We restarted three or four of their missiles.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:43.62,0:18:45.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The startups were successful,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:45.77,0:18:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I saw no incidents in the field. When I came back,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:49.59,0:18:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to go through debriefing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:50.87,0:18:52.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First things I asked him upon return to the base,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:53.02,0:18:55.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"What about this missile out in Belt?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:55.65,0:18:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he says, {\i1}"Soon as light, daylight came, we was going to send choppers over."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:18:59.48,0:19:02.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was night time when they first saw it,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:02.20,0:19:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and no one's going to scale, have them scale down the mountain at night time,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:06.75,0:19:09.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they were going to send some choppers down and scale the mountain,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:09.63,0:19:11.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scale the canyon, daylight time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:11.38,0:19:14.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as soon as daylight time came up, this thing shot up right through the... everything,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:14.77,0:19:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just disappeared, more or less.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:18.43,0:19:21.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that... was that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:21.61,0:19:22.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:23.18,0:19:26.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also, about a week later,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:26.89,0:19:30.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also heard that a UFO was sighted over India Flight
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:30.52,0:19:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there was a partial shutdown.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:31.79,0:19:35.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think four or five missiles went... were shut down at India Flight,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:35.41,0:19:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the UFO overhead, not the whole flight,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:37.78,0:19:40.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I had to go out and restart at least two of them.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:41.56,0:19:44.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then the rest of my time at Montana I was involved in
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:44.04,0:19:47.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no more further UFO incidents. Nothing else happened.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:19:48.35,0:19:51.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I went on elsewhere. Thank you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:00.23,0:20:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good afternoon. My name is Charles I. Halt.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:04.02,0:20:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I retired from the U.S. Air Force in 1991 as a Colonel.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:08.14,0:20:09.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,During my military career,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:09.85,0:20:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was Base Commander at two large installations
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:12.77,0:20:14.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at the time of my retirement,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:15.07,0:20:17.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was in the Department of Defense, Inspector General's Office
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:17.67,0:20:22.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with total inspection oversight of all services in all service agencies.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:22.84,0:20:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 1980, I was reassigned from the Pentagon to RAF Bentwaters
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:26.50,0:20:28.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a Deputy Base Commander.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:28.89,0:20:29.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At that time,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:29.51,0:20:33.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bentwaters was one of the largest tactical fighter wings in the world,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:33.10,0:20:36.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a two-base complex, Woodbridge and Bentwaters in England,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:36.24,0:20:37.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and four FOLs in Germany
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:37.96,0:20:40.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and two additional standby bases.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:41.20,0:20:43.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In December 1980, early in the morning,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:44.21,0:20:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,several of our security policemen
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:45.79,0:20:49.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discovered strange lights in the forest in East Anglia,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:49.19,0:20:52.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just outside the back gate of RAF Woodbridge.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:52.51,0:20:54.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Three patrolmen: Sergeant Penniston,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:54.81,0:20:56.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Airman Borroughs and Airman Cabanasag,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:20:57.31,0:21:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually were dispatched into the forest and approached a craft.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:01.35,0:21:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They reported it being triangular,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:03.70,0:21:06.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approximately three meters on a side,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:06.56,0:21:10.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dark metallic in appearance, with strange markings.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:11.01,0:21:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They observed it for a period of time,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:13.07,0:21:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it very quickly and silently
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:15.62,0:21:18.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vanished at high speed.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:18.55,0:21:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Initially, I was not aware of all the details.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:20.68,0:21:22.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was only told of strange lights
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:22.78,0:21:25.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was sure there was a logical explanation.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:26.17,0:21:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two nights later, at the family Christmas party,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:29.24,0:21:30.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were interrupted.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:30.49,0:21:33.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The on-duty Flight Commander for the security police squadron,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:33.39,0:21:34.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lieutenant Bruce Englund,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:34.80,0:21:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came and approached the Base Commander and I.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:36.87,0:21:38.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was white as a sheet.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:38.80,0:21:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, {\i1}"It's back."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:40.32,0:21:41.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, {\i1}"What's back?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:41.57,0:21:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, {\i1}"The UFO."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:43.44,0:21:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, we still were, I should say, nonbelievers, at that point.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:47.43,0:21:49.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since my boss had to do the presentations,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:49.46,0:21:53.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was tasked, unfortunately, to investigate.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:53.23,0:21:55.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I went home and changed clothes.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:55.36,0:21:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I really expected to find a logical explanation.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:21:59.21,0:22:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I took several security policemen with me.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:01.64,0:22:03.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A disaster preparedness NCO,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:03.64,0:22:07.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who took a APN-27, a Geiger counter, and a camera.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:07.51,0:22:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also had my small cassette recorder I carried everywhere when I was on duty.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:12.90,0:22:15.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was taken to the supposed site.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:15.15,0:22:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We find indentations approximately an inch-and-a-half deep,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:19.25,0:22:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approximately six to eight feet on a side,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:22.59,0:22:26.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and radiation eight to nine times normal background radiation.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:26.54,0:22:29.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not enough to be dangerous to somebody, but significant.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:30.04,0:22:32.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also find broken branches on the trees.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:33.31,0:22:34.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While we were milling around,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:34.51,0:22:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to make sense of the whole thing,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:37.03,0:22:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the individuals with me suddenly spotted something.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:40.62,0:22:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Off through the forest was a bright, glowing object.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:44.35,0:22:45.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The best way I can describe it,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:45.72,0:22:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it looked like an 'eye',
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:47.38,0:22:49.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with bright red, with a dark center.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:49.78,0:22:52.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It appeared to be winking; it would sort of 'wink'.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:52.77,0:22:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was shedding something like molten metal.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:54.79,0:22:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was dripping off it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:56.63,0:22:58.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It silently moved through the trees,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:58.51,0:22:59.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,avoiding any contact.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:22:59.87,0:23:01.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It bobbed up and down,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:01.55,0:23:03.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at one point, it actually approached us.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:04.04,0:23:05.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We tried to get closer.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:05.61,0:23:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It receded out into the field
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:07.47,0:23:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beyond the forest
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:08.93,0:23:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and silently exploded into five white objects.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:12.20,0:23:13.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gone.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:13.63,0:23:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we went out into the field, looking for any evidence,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:15.82,0:23:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because something had apparently been falling off it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:18.40,0:23:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We find nothing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:19.40,0:23:22.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But while we were searching around in the field,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:22.12,0:23:23.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the people with me noticed
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:23.47,0:23:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some objects in the sky to the north.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:25.60,0:23:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were three or four objects in the north,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:28.26,0:23:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,brightly colored,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:29.73,0:23:31.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changing from elliptical to round
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:32.05,0:23:33.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and moving at very high speed,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:34.01,0:23:35.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sharp angular movements,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:35.37,0:23:37.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as though they were doing a grid search.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:37.70,0:23:39.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While we were watching them,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:39.16,0:23:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebody else noticed
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:40.30,0:23:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the south there were two objects
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:42.77,0:23:45.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just sort of hovering in the sky.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:45.23,0:23:47.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One object approached us at very high speed.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:47.99,0:23:50.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Best guess is three to five thousand feet --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:50.05,0:23:51.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somewhere in that neighborhood.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:51.40,0:23:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stopped directly overhead
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:53.29,0:23:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sent down a concentrated beam at our feet.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:56.08,0:23:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was about one foot in diameter.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:57.88,0:23:59.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The best way I can equate it
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:23:59.24,0:24:00.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is sort of a laser beam.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:00.97,0:24:02.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We stood there in awe.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:02.81,0:24:04.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was this a warning?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:04.30,0:24:06.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was this an attempt to communicate?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:06.79,0:24:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was this a weapon or just a probe?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:09.91,0:24:11.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just as suddenly as it appeared,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:11.94,0:24:14.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'click', it disappeared.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:14.11,0:24:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We stood there, ah, really concerned.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:17.84,0:24:19.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,About that time, we noticed the other object
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:19.77,0:24:21.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the south was sending down beams
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:21.64,0:24:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about a mile, mile-and-a-half away
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:23.21,0:24:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over Woodbridge Base.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:25.08,0:24:26.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had three different radios with us:
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:26.94,0:24:29.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the police radio, the security-police radio,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:29.51,0:24:30.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I had the command net.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:31.17,0:24:32.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All three radios were functioning and we
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:32.58,0:24:34.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were talking to control centers.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:34.26,0:24:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were constantly breaking up
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:35.57,0:24:37.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we had great difficulties communicating,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:37.85,0:24:39.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we were able to discern that the...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:39.52,0:24:41.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the police and security net, that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:41.38,0:24:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of those beams were either falling into
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:43.44,0:24:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or near the weapons storage area,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:44.94,0:24:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's a great deal of concern.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:47.71,0:24:50.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It really bothered me at the time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:50.84,0:24:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every time something of significance happened that night,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:53.26,0:24:55.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I kind of clicked on my little tape recorder and recorded it,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:55.87,0:24:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I have a record of it for the next day.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:24:59.04,0:25:01.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unbeknownst to me, a copy of that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:01.26,0:25:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was released by one of my co-workers
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:03.08,0:25:04.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,several years later,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:04.53,0:25:06.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and hence, there was a lot of publicity.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:07.60,0:25:08.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My superiors at the time
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:08.93,0:25:10.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were informed what happened.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:10.94,0:25:12.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I briefed my boss.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:12.15,0:25:13.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I played the tape for him.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:13.39,0:25:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He listened intently.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:15.31,0:25:16.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was aware of the incident
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:16.74,0:25:18.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he was monitoring the night before on the radio
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:18.68,0:25:20.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- he and several others were.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:20.75,0:25:23.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He took the tape to the Third Air Force staff meeting
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:23.22,0:25:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the following Wednesday
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:24.36,0:25:27.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- Third Air Force was the Air Force headquarters at the time in England --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:27.47,0:25:30.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,played it for General Bazley, the commander and staff.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:30.35,0:25:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They all sat silently.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:33.61,0:25:34.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The decision was that:
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:34.74,0:25:36.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it happened off the base, so it's a British affair.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:37.07,0:25:39.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words, they were loath to get involved.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:39.43,0:25:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So my boss came back and threw me the tape recorder,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:41.69,0:25:42.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I said, {\i1}"Well, what do we do, boss?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:42.94,0:25:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, {\i1}"Get with Squadron Leader Moreland who is the British Liaison Officer{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:47.40,0:25:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}and do a report. It's their problem, not ours."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:51.37,0:25:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gosh,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:52.45,0:25:54.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here I am kind of caught in the middle, and I'm the junior guy here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:55.44,0:25:57.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whoa, why did I ever get involved?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:57.54,0:25:58.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:25:58.85,0:26:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Squadron Leader Moreland was on vacation in Wales at the time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:02.12,0:26:03.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He came back and he was quite upset
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:03.85,0:26:06.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he was in the middle of the thing too, so he said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:06.16,0:26:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"Write a memo."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:07.11,0:26:09.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I wrote a -- how I shall call it -- a 'cleaned up' memo,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:09.99,0:26:11.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just kind of... unexplained lights,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:11.57,0:26:13.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just to kind of tickle their...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:13.67,0:26:16.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get them to come out and investigate and look into the thing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:16.74,0:26:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I gave it to Moreland
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:18.31,0:26:19.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and unbeknownst to me
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:19.24,0:26:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Moreland sent a copy to his superior at Third Air Force.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:21.77,0:26:23.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't know that at the time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:23.50,0:26:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The copy to MoD was apparently buried in the files.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:26.75,0:26:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Days turned into weeks and weeks turned into months
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:28.88,0:26:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I almost forgot about the incident, to be honest with you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:32.84,0:26:34.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gave up.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:34.91,0:26:37.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Several years later, one of my co-workers
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:37.76,0:26:40.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was playing a copy of my tape at cocktail parties,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:40.59,0:26:42.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and caught somebody's ear.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:42.35,0:26:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Somebody started asking questions and he said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:44.24,0:26:45.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"Oh, Halt wrote a memo."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:46.05,0:26:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next thing we know,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:46.95,0:26:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a Freedom of Information request
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:48.79,0:26:50.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came in to Bentwaters.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:50.88,0:26:52.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, there was no official copy.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:52.12,0:26:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We didn't have word processors in those days.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:54.56,0:26:56.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We used typing manifolds in the old typewriters.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:56.98,0:26:58.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were just transitioning.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:26:58.68,0:27:02.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the only copy was an onion skin that I had in my desk.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:02.20,0:27:03.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So my boss went back and said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:03.41,0:27:05.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"There's no official record of it."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:05.65,0:27:06.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, somebody else found out
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:06.99,0:27:08.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Third Air Force had a copy.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:08.97,0:27:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, Pete Bent, a good personal friend of mine,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:10.78,0:27:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the acting Third Air Force Commander,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:12.45,0:27:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called me, and he said, {\i1}"Hey. Chuck, I've got a copy of this memo.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:15.58,0:27:17.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}We're going to have to release it."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:17.57,0:27:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, {\i1}"Please burn it."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:19.45,0:27:22.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"Your life and mine will never be the same. You and I don't need this."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:22.97,0:27:25.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, need I say more?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:25.16,0:27:27.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The tape came out, unbeknownst to me.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:27.74,0:27:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the memo came out
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:29.07,0:27:30.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a lot of publicity.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:30.41,0:27:32.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the event certainly happened.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:32.33,0:27:33.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, some things have happened since,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:33.59,0:27:35.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was very innocent at the time and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:35.24,0:27:36.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,believed what I was told.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:36.87,0:27:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I asked the OSI if they had an interest
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:38.55,0:27:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was told, {\i1}"Oh no. Not at all."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:41.68,0:27:42.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wrong.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:43.10,0:27:45.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find out later that the airmen were -- how shall I say--
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:45.59,0:27:47.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pretty harshly interrogated, that were involved.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:47.68,0:27:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have never been debriefed.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:49.98,0:27:51.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also found out later
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:52.18,0:27:53.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the tower operator
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:53.97,0:27:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the... both the tower operators at Bentwaters
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:56.63,0:27:57.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saw an object
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:27:57.96,0:28:00.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and picked it up under bright tube radar and watched it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:01.07,0:28:02.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I found out that the tower operator in
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:02.80,0:28:03.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,weapons storage area
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:03.98,0:28:05.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually saw something,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:05.04,0:28:07.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as did a comm man who was working there,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:07.15,0:28:09.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and saw it go down into the forest near us.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:09.96,0:28:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also several other people around the base saw it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:14.97,0:28:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's kind of interesting.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:16.36,0:28:17.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What did we see?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:17.51,0:28:19.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have no idea what we saw that night.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:19.44,0:28:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do know it was under intelligent control.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:21.85,0:28:23.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in my personal opinion,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:23.05,0:28:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was either from another dimension or extraterrestrial.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:37.92,0:28:39.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good afternoon.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:39.55,0:28:42.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Jerome Nelson.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:42.36,0:28:45.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From 1962 to 1965,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:45.84,0:28:48.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was an Atlas-F ICBM
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:48.51,0:28:51.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Deputy Missile Combat Crew Commander,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:51.33,0:28:55.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assigned to the 579th Strategic Missile Squadron
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:55.26,0:28:57.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Roswell, New Mexico.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:28:59.47,0:29:01.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometime during the winter of
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:01.50,0:29:05.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1963 through 1964,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:05.25,0:29:08.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while I was on alert duty in the launch-control center
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:08.59,0:29:12.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at Atlas Site 9, west of Roswell,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:12.72,0:29:15.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my topsides security guard
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:15.73,0:29:19.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called me on the telephone and reported a bright light
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:19.42,0:29:24.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- that is, a fully-illuminated round object --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:24.79,0:29:27.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was hovering silently over the missile silo and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:27.74,0:29:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shining a light down onto it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:31.37,0:29:33.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could tell that he was serious and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:33.25,0:29:36.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his voice revealed he was very frightened.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:36.26,0:29:37.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After perhaps five minutes,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:37.89,0:29:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the object left the vicinity.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:40.53,0:29:42.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even before it left, I called the
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:43.12,0:29:46.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,base command post at Walker Air Force Base
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:46.31,0:29:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reported the incident.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:48.60,0:29:49.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was concerned
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:49.64,0:29:53.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the object would somehow sabotage the missile.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:53.37,0:29:56.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was surprised by the response I received,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:56.05,0:29:59.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being told that the command post would take
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:29:59.46,0:30:04.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the unauthorized excursion under advisement.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:04.65,0:30:08.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was never debriefed by my commander or anyone else,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:08.09,0:30:12.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I found quite puzzling and frustrating.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:13.09,0:30:14.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over the next month or so,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:14.79,0:30:17.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this type of incident occurred several more times
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:17.90,0:30:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while I was on duty at Site 9.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:21.09,0:30:23.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would estimate the total number
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:23.88,0:30:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as more than three but fewer than ten.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:27.34,0:30:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On each occasion,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:28.59,0:30:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would call the command post, but
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:30.74,0:30:35.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,each time my report was met with the same apparent indifference.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:36.01,0:30:38.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,During each of these incidents
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:38.07,0:30:41.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our witness, the guard, would call
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:41.88,0:30:46.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the launch-control center and report the UFO.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:46.08,0:30:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Several guards were involved over time
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:48.63,0:30:51.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and were all obviously frightened
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:51.15,0:30:54.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the object hovering over the site.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:55.33,0:30:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their voices were actually trembling.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:30:58.55,0:31:01.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because of my duties in the launch control center,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:01.49,0:31:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could not go topside and look at the objects myself.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:05.79,0:31:09.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only decades later did I learn that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:09.17,0:31:13.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least one missile facility technician, Bob Kaplan,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:13.99,0:31:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had been ordered to report
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:15.58,0:31:19.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the Office of Special Investigations on base
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:19.64,0:31:23.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and make a report about the similar incident
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:23.83,0:31:27.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he had witnessed at Site 9 during the period.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:30.22,0:31:32.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the time this development was kept
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:32.75,0:31:35.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from me and my missile commander.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:35.36,0:31:39.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do not know whether anyone else was interviewed by the OSI,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:39.51,0:31:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I wasn't.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:41.33,0:31:43.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's my report.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:49.07,0:31:51.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:51.61,0:31:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Patrick McDonough. And
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:55.52,0:31:58.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm here today to relate an experience
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:31:58.12,0:32:01.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that happened to me in September of 1966.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:01.52,0:32:03.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's 44 years ago.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:04.09,0:32:07.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that experience was so significant,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:07.30,0:32:09.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was basically burned in my memory.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:09.01,0:32:11.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't forgotten about it at all.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:11.58,0:32:12.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I am getting older
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:12.67,0:32:15.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I did want to put this experience and relate it
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:15.63,0:32:17.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the record.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:17.18,0:32:20.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A little background on me: I had
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:21.51,0:32:24.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enlisted in the Air Force in Berkeley, California
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:25.68,0:32:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the first week of November, 1962
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:30.96,0:32:34.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the onset of the Cuban Missile Crisis that was going then.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:34.38,0:32:37.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I felt patriotic. And
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:37.15,0:32:39.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up to that time, I had been studying engineering in college,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:39.89,0:32:41.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had three years of engineering.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:41.95,0:32:44.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the Air Force, considering my background,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:45.46,0:32:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trained me to be a geodetic surveyor.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:49.01,0:32:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was assigned to 1381st Geodetic Survey Squadron
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:52.84,0:32:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Orlando, Florida.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:32:55.55,0:32:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We basically...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:00.02,0:33:05.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in 1965, we moved to Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:06.44,0:33:10.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On average, I would spend nine, ten months a year
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:11.67,0:33:13.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on temporary duty,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:13.98,0:33:17.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveying for latitude and longitude
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:17.34,0:33:21.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at our missile sites and aircraft bases
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:21.29,0:33:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for positioning missile and aircraft guidance systems.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:25.78,0:33:28.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically, the squadron's mission was
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:28.17,0:33:32.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to provide precise geographical coordinates
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:32.70,0:33:38.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a missile or an aircraft inertial guidance system so that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:38.53,0:33:42.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would... the missile or aircraft know exactly, precisely where it was at
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:42.75,0:33:44.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it takes off,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:45.04,0:33:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while the intelligence agencies would provide the targeting information.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:50.51,0:33:55.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In early September of 1966,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:55.18,0:33:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,myself and two other airmen, a
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:33:58.00,0:34:03.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Airman First Class Al Kramer and a Airman Third Class Charlie Coates,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:03.21,0:34:06.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were temporarily assigned to Malmstrom Air Force Base
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:07.11,0:34:13.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and were ordered to provide or
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:13.59,0:34:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perform the initial geodetic surveys
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:16.98,0:34:18.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the last 50 missile sites there.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:18.89,0:34:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There already was 150 Minuteman-1 sites
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:23.01,0:34:28.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we were putting in the last 50 for the wing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:28.31,0:34:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And basically,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:30.59,0:34:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were assigned to the site-activation task force
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:33.36,0:34:36.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they call 'SATAF'. It was a...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:36.70,0:34:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boeing, really, the prime contractor.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:40.49,0:34:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were given a government truck, no radio.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:45.12,0:34:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anything in it, it...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:47.30,0:34:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was the Chief of Party. I was the observer
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:50.59,0:34:54.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on our small three-man team. Al was the recorder,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:54.29,0:34:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charlie was... we were trying to train him both in observing and recording.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:34:59.64,0:35:03.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We arrive, normally we'd arrive at a missile site at about...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:04.28,0:35:08.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in early evening. We'd set up our instruments.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:09.30,0:35:13.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And basically, what I was doing was the star observation to provide
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:14.51,0:35:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,precise latitude and longitude.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:17.32,0:35:19.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the night of this incident that happened,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:19.95,0:35:22.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were completing a series of what we call
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:22.58,0:35:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'celestial astro-azimuth observations',
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:26.73,0:35:28.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,southeast of Conrad.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:29.06,0:35:33.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was doing the observing, Al was recording,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:33.21,0:35:35.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Charlie was assisting Al with the chronometer
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:36.05,0:35:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the time hacks as I tipped on Polaris.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:41.29,0:35:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The unusual thing about this missile site I was at
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:45.08,0:35:52.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was that the blast hatch of the silo was open.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:53.02,0:35:55.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was very unusual.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:55.53,0:35:57.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Normally, when I'd go to these missile sites,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:35:57.59,0:36:00.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though they were not activated yet with a missile,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:00.79,0:36:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were always closed.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:02.55,0:36:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The monoliths were there. We do four monoliths and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:06.02,0:36:09.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do a precise quadrangle.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:10.04,0:36:14.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And... the work we did was very precise. It
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:14.90,0:36:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involved a lot of... it was basically all using star shots and...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:21.26,0:36:25.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, here is a site that we arrive at and the
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:25.76,0:36:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blast hatch is open.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:27.76,0:36:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we're nearing completion of the star observations.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:31.02,0:36:33.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had been to the other three monoliths
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:33.44,0:36:38.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was at the monolith at the... next to the hatch.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:39.65,0:36:42.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was probably about one, one-thirty,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:43.39,0:36:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a unidentified flying object
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:47.45,0:36:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came from the north and stopped right over us.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:52.39,0:36:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It... I would say it was
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:36:55.62,0:37:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably about altitude of 300 feet or so.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:00.03,0:37:02.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe a little higher. It's a little hard to tell in the dark.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:04.04,0:37:06.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was round. It had...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:07.79,0:37:10.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would estimate its diameter at about 50 feet,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:10.98,0:37:15.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of like a pretty large, you know, like a wing span of a B-52,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:15.84,0:37:19.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something in that range. It's pretty large.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:19.56,0:37:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it seemed to have pulsating lights going around it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:23.90,0:37:29.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it had a white light from the center looking down into the silo.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:31.28,0:37:34.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was no wind. There was no noise.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:34.01,0:37:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It only stayed there maybe 20, 30 seconds at most.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:38.45,0:37:42.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, I just remember,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:42.38,0:37:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm staring up at the stars, right? I'm
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:45.67,0:37:48.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a pretty keen observer of,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:48.13,0:37:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what's above me here in
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:50.49,0:37:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the celestial sphere up there.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:54.56,0:37:58.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just said to myself, what if this thing beams us up and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:37:58.99,0:38:01.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,takes us off to some distant place and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:02.71,0:38:04.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never returned to Earth again? I mean,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:04.02,0:38:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is going through my head here while this thing is above me.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:07.21,0:38:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then from this dead stop,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:09.12,0:38:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it shoots off to the east.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:11.80,0:38:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just like, now you see it, now you don't. It just... "toogh".
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:15.80,0:38:18.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So after this UFO departs,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:18.87,0:38:23.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I grab my instrument and jumped in the truck behind the
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:23.35,0:38:25.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,steering wheel and off we went.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:25.33,0:38:27.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we weren't about to be there if it came back.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:28.11,0:38:29.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We didn't have guards with us
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:29.77,0:38:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there was no missile. We didn't have a radio
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:32.21,0:38:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we're not really in contact with the Air Force base.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:36.20,0:38:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know any of this other stuff is even going on,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:38.45,0:38:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be honest with you. I mean, this is...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:40.54,0:38:42.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're just kind of out there on our own, doing these,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:42.96,0:38:46.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing these sites and mailing our material back.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:46.26,0:38:51.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a... I wasn't even aware there was a UFO problem, {\i1}per se{\i0}.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:51.83,0:38:56.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, as it turned out, the night's events weren't
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:56.56,0:38:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,totally over with us at that point.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:38:58.40,0:39:01.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As we sped away and on our way back to Conrad, and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:03.31,0:39:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Army Corps of Engineers had base-rocked all the roads
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:07.96,0:39:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to take the weight of these missiles they were bringing in. And
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:11.07,0:39:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of course, these are new sites, and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:12.98,0:39:17.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they took down all the signs to make the roads wider.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:17.41,0:39:19.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I go over the hill, and come down.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:19.91,0:39:23.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The headlights come down, there is no road there. It "Tee'd".
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:23.44,0:39:27.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, so I tried to make a... you either went to the right or left,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:27.74,0:39:30.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tried to go to the left to...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:31.68,0:39:35.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,towards Conrad and the truck flipped over
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:35.43,0:39:38.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we ended up upside down.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:38.66,0:39:40.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fortunately, none of us were hurt.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:41.17,0:39:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We walked probably about two hours to a nearby farmhouse,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:46.10,0:39:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you call {\i1}that{\i0} nearby. And
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:48.60,0:39:51.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I called the Montana Highway Patrol.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:52.13,0:39:56.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The farmer drove us back to the accident site. And
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:39:56.34,0:39:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was interesting when the Highway Patrolman arrived,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:00.01,0:40:02.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we told him how did this occur.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:02.21,0:40:04.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was asking us and told him that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:04.81,0:40:09.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his dispatch had told him there had been over twenty reports to the...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:09.86,0:40:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to his office that night in reporting a UFO in the area.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:17.80,0:40:21.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wrote instant incident reports to the
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:21.24,0:40:27.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SATAF, Boeing, Montana State,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:30.49,0:40:32.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding the accident. But, you know,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:32.74,0:40:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what was interesting was, I never heard anything from the Air Force,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:37.00,0:40:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding the incident.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:38.84,0:40:41.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I never had to,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:41.51,0:40:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was no retribution or reimbursement
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:45.03,0:40:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,required for me for rolling this truck.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:46.72,0:40:48.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this truck had 18 miles on it that afternoon.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:48.91,0:40:50.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a new truck.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:50.39,0:40:52.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, so they... nothing. I heard nothing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:53.04,0:40:54.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is, this part was good,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:54.93,0:40:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I didn't really want to buy the truck.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:40:58.68,0:41:02.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I... I went back to my headquarters
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:02.16,0:41:04.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at Warren Air Force Base,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:04.84,0:41:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and about a month-and-a-half later,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:08.74,0:41:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was discharged.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:09.84,0:41:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did not mention wrecking this truck
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:12.56,0:41:14.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up in Montana on one of my TDYs.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:14.86,0:41:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They didn't ask me and I didn't mention it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:17.74,0:41:20.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't want to buy it, and...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:20.55,0:41:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I must say now, in my
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:22.05,0:41:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,four years that I had with this geodetic survey squadron,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:26.62,0:41:29.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had worked on the latest missiles and aircraft
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:29.17,0:41:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the U.S. Air Force inventory. And
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:33.29,0:41:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I worked {\i1}everywhere{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:36.35,0:41:38.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on these guidance systems. And
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:39.55,0:41:42.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we, or I, never saw anything
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:42.24,0:41:43.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Air Force inventory
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:43.66,0:41:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could perform like this UFO did. It's...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:46.85,0:41:49.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what it was, but
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:49.73,0:41:51.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we sure didn't have any...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:51.49,0:41:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never saw anything like it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:54.17,0:41:57.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'd like to thank all of you for being here today and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:41:57.73,0:41:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank the National Press Club.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:00.11,0:42:03.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hopefully, someday, the...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:03.80,0:42:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'll know in the near future that...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:05.50,0:42:06.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the government will
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:06.70,0:42:11.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perhaps release any information they have on UFOs.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:11.81,0:42:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:21.80,0:42:23.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello everybody.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:23.16,0:42:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Bruce Fenstermacher.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:24.72,0:42:27.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have any exciting stories like rolling a truck
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:27.31,0:42:29.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with 18 miles on it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:30.68,0:42:33.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From 1974 to 1976,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:33.45,0:42:35.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a combat crew commander and
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:35.28,0:42:37.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a captain in the Air Force stationed at
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:37.39,0:42:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,F.E. Warren Air Force Base
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:39.58,0:42:41.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the 400th SMS
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:41.34,0:42:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and assigned to Romeo Flight.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:44.57,0:42:46.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the fall of '76,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:46.34,0:42:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my deputy -- who I'll call "Sam" because he's
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:48.91,0:42:51.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not given me permission to release his name --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:51.95,0:42:54.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were on alert trying to stay awake.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:54.51,0:42:56.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were listening to the conversation
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:42:56.61,0:43:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the flight security controller of the topside NCO
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:00.41,0:43:04.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the strategic alert team, the security alert team, SAT.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:04.87,0:43:07.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kind of, that was one way to stay alert.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:07.65,0:43:11.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because SAT duty is moments of terror
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:11.39,0:43:13.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with hours of boredom.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:13.85,0:43:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And suddenly, we heard the FSC call the SAT team and say,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:17.72,0:43:19.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"Stop the vehicle.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:19.94,0:43:21.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Get out of the vehicle and look around."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:21.77,0:43:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And didn't tell them where to look or anything.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:24.78,0:43:27.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Sam and I looked at each other
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:27.82,0:43:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then said, {\i1}"What do you see?"{\i0} And he said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:30.53,0:43:33.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"Oh, I don't see anything. I don't see anything.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:33.16,0:43:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Holy bleep!{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:35.07,0:43:39.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}I do see a white pulsating light in the sky{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:40.68,0:43:42.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}that's maybe seven or eight miles away."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:42.72,0:43:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The FSC asked where it was.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:44.60,0:43:46.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, {\i1}"It's to the north."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:46.33,0:43:51.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, {\i1}"It's pretty close to where the launch-control facility is."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:52.11,0:43:53.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So my deputy and I did a double-take.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:53.85,0:43:55.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We called upstairs
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:55.91,0:43:57.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we said, {\i1}"What's going on?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:57.51,0:43:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, {\i1}"You're not going to believe this, Captain,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:43:59.73,0:44:01.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}but right above us{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:01.49,0:44:06.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}there's a huge white thing, pulsating light, above us."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:06.77,0:44:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I had to call them to make sure I wasn't seeing anything.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:11.20,0:44:15.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Upon prodding, he told us it was shaped like a fat cigar.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:15.53,0:44:17.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think he said, 'A pregnant cigar'.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:17.77,0:44:19.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,White pulsating light.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:19.13,0:44:22.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Between the pulsations he saw red and blue lights.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:24.23,0:44:26.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was silent. Because I prodded him saying,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:27.08,0:44:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"Is it some form of helicopter?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:29.09,0:44:31.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, {\i1}"No, it's very silent."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:31.73,0:44:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're talking to him for several minutes and he says,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:34.16,0:44:37.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"It's starting to move away along our access road."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:38.16,0:44:39.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we hung up.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:39.77,0:44:41.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My deputy and I are saying,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:41.48,0:44:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"What do we do? We gotta report this."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:44.42,0:44:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He calls down, the FSC calls down shortly and says it's over
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:48.41,0:44:51.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of our launch facilities, the missile silos.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:51.40,0:44:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was the closest one along the access road.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:54.08,0:44:59.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I ordered the SAT team to go to that site.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:44:59.46,0:45:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they called in through the FSC and said they had to go back for batteries.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:05.68,0:45:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they were a little slow getting out so I was kind of ordering them,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:09.28,0:45:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"Come on, get on, get going."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:11.84,0:45:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at the same time we contacted SAT command post at F.E. Warren.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:17.83,0:45:20.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the NCO answered and we told him the story
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:20.48,0:45:22.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he laughed and said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:22.33,0:45:27.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"When it eats the SAT team, call me back."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:27.77,0:45:32.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the SAT team never got to that LF.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:32.05,0:45:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It silently moved again to another launch facility.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:35.16,0:45:37.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We called the SAT team three or four times.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:37.76,0:45:40.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry, we called command post three or four times.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:40.90,0:45:44.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The last time -- and we got the same nonchalant attitude --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:44.65,0:45:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the last time, I said, {\i1}"Are you logging this?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:47.09,0:45:48.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they said, {\i1}"No."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:49.06,0:45:51.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said, {\i1}"Give me the officer in charge."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:51.90,0:45:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he said, {\i1}"Well, he's busy."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:52.96,0:45:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, {\i1}"Well, you either give me the officer in charge,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:54.92,0:45:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}or I'm going to wake up the base commander,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:57.26,0:45:58.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}the squadron commander,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:45:58.40,0:46:01.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}because there's something going on. Something's messing with my LFs."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:01.53,0:46:03.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were mine for that period.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:03.98,0:46:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the officer came on, and I said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:07.35,0:46:09.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"You need to log this, or I'll wake everybody up."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:09.14,0:46:11.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said he would. He called up his NCO.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:11.37,0:46:14.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A different NCO called us back a few minutes later,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:14.11,0:46:17.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,took the log of what had happened in a timely sequence.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:17.87,0:46:19.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it went to another LF.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:19.75,0:46:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The SAT team had to come back for gas.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:22.97,0:46:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then it said it had car trouble.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:25.81,0:46:28.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could only go five miles an hour.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:28.80,0:46:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, long story short,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:31.21,0:46:34.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after several, you know, about an hour-and-a-half,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:34.19,0:46:37.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Flight Security Control said he could see it
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:37.10,0:46:40.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over another launch facility down, still down the road.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:40.44,0:46:41.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then he said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:42.08,0:46:46.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"It suddenly and silently just went away up to a star size{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:47.12,0:46:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}and then disappeared."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:49.73,0:46:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that was it. It was exciting rest of the tour.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:52.00,0:46:56.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next day we were relieved by another crew to go back home.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:56.39,0:46:59.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I went upstairs and the FSC is lying,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:46:59.58,0:47:02.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, in a chair in almost a fetal position.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:02.68,0:47:04.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I talked to him and he was scared.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:04.83,0:47:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said,{\i1}"I can't sleep. I can't get that thing out of my mind."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:08.27,0:47:11.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, {\i1}"What the heck was with the SAT team?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:11.45,0:47:14.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, {\i1}"Both my deputy and I were prior service,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:14.60,0:47:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}so we got along well with the enlisted guys."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:16.86,0:47:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he said, {\i1}"If you promise not to tell anybody..."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:21.20,0:47:26.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They told me they were not going to go to any LF with that thing over it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:26.96,0:47:29.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No direct orders, no nothing. And in fact,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:29.51,0:47:31.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they never left the launch control facility.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:31.91,0:47:35.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We picked up the Quebec team on the way back.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:35.73,0:47:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quebec crew, because Quebec was on the way to Romeo,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:40.58,0:47:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and SAT liked to save a little gas, so we rode-share.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:45.68,0:47:48.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they told us that earlier that evening,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:48.77,0:47:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they had the same sort of thing
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:52.68,0:47:55.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flying over several of their launch facilities.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:56.64,0:47:58.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, {\i1}"What happened? You reported it?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:47:59.02,0:48:00.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they said, {\i1}"Are you crazy?{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:00.85,0:48:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}We didn't report it. We're not going to report it."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:04.08,0:48:05.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, {\i1}"Well, I did."{\i0} He said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:05.69,0:48:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"Well, if you tell them about us,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:07.54,0:48:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}we're going to say it never happened."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:09.62,0:48:11.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we went back home,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:11.82,0:48:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I reported to my squadron commander.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:13.92,0:48:16.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next few... we always have departure meetings
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:16.55,0:48:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you go out for alert,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:17.59,0:48:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the next several departure meetings we had an unusual visitor.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:21.73,0:48:26.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had an officer in a uniform telling us that,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:26.83,0:48:29.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"You may have heard rumors about this.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:29.48,0:48:31.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}It didn't happen. It's top secret."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:31.69,0:48:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wanted to stand up and say, {\i1}"Which is it?{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:34.26,0:48:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Didn't it happen, or is it top secret?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:38.25,0:48:40.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's my event. I think
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:40.97,0:48:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Mr. Salas will be back.\N- Thank you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:50.65,0:48:53.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What you have heard here today is evidence of a phenomenon.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:54.30,0:48:57.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It sounds fantastic and it is fantastic.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:48:58.55,0:49:01.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We presented this evidence in the public interest of open government.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:01.52,0:49:04.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our signatures on affidavits in the press kit that you have
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:05.60,0:49:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attest to the truth of our statements.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:08.30,0:49:11.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our evidence is now public domain.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:11.76,0:49:14.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The real question is what is the public going to do with it,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:15.39,0:49:18.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this testimony? It has been a general practice of the media
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:19.20,0:49:21.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to scoff at these kinds of stories,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:21.77,0:49:23.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make light of such testimony.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:24.21,0:49:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can only ask that you take the time
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:26.19,0:49:27.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to give some serious consideration,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:27.75,0:49:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only to our statements,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:29.90,0:49:32.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but to the statements of other witnesses
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:33.18,0:49:35.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out there who have similar incidents.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:35.64,0:49:38.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is also documentary evidence
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:38.62,0:49:41.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that helps support what we have said.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:42.02,0:49:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We hope you will take the time to at least take a look at those,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:45.55,0:49:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,research this a little bit.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:48.07,0:49:49.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you do,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:49.94,0:49:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you'll come to the same conclusions that we have.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:49:54.62,0:49:59.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is, that the UFO phenomenon is real, not imaginary.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:00.02,0:50:03.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is current excessive secrecy in our government
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:03.31,0:50:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surrounding this phenomenon.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:06.44,0:50:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unknown aerial objects have in fact
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:08.69,0:50:11.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been observed over many of our nuclear weapons bases
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:11.44,0:50:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other nuclear facilities.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:13.56,0:50:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in some cases, the appearance of these objects
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:16.98,0:50:20.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coincided with compromising the operational readiness
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:20.80,0:50:22.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of our nuclear weapons.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:23.79,0:50:27.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although each of us might have different opinions
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:27.02,0:50:30.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the meaning and intent of these incidents,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:30.66,0:50:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we can all agree
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:32.00,0:50:34.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the tampering with nuclear weapons is
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:34.39,0:50:37.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a national security concern.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:39.89,0:50:44.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Air Force official policy on UFOs.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:44.87,0:50:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is dated 2005,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:47.21,0:50:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I believe it is current policy.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:49.97,0:50:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll just read one part of it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:53.18,0:50:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It says, {\i1}"No UFO reported,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:55.20,0:50:58.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}investigated and evaluated by the Air Force{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:50:59.47,0:51:02.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}was ever an indication of threat to our national security."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:03.56,0:51:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is clearly misleading. It is false,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:08.46,0:51:10.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on our testimonies.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:14.58,0:51:15.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This statement,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:16.37,0:51:20.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the decision to discontinue UFO investigations
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:20.30,0:51:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was based on an evaluation and report prepared by
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:23.78,0:51:26.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the University of Colorado in 1969.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:26.83,0:51:30.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe this was the infamous {\i1}Condon Committee Study.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:33.06,0:51:35.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is substantial evidence to show that study
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:35.38,0:51:37.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was superficial and biased.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:37.59,0:51:40.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In particular, the Echo and Oscar incidents I spoke about
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:41.39,0:51:43.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were never investigated by the Condon Committee,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:43.57,0:51:45.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even through their principal investigator
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:45.97,0:51:47.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was well aware of these incidents.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:48.68,0:51:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, the testimony given here today
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:51.09,0:51:54.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conflicts directly with that Air Force policy statement.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:55.14,0:51:57.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We ask that our government
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:51:57.06,0:52:00.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,answer to the public about the obvious discrepancy
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:00.43,0:52:04.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between our testimony and that of the current statement.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:06.27,0:52:08.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Indeed, we demand an answer.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:09.11,0:52:12.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Based on the foundation of our democracy that says...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:12.23,0:52:16.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to paraphrase Franklin Delano Roosevelt, President Roosevelt,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:18.63,0:52:20.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"The people should be strong enough{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:20.39,0:52:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}and well enough informed to maintain{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:23.69,0:52:26.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}the sovereign control over its government."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:28.07,0:52:31.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finally, I want to say, I think I speak for every one of us here,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:32.18,0:52:35.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have the utmost respect for all the men and women in the U.S. Air Force.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:36.82,0:52:38.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I graduated from the Air Force Academy.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:39.46,0:52:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thoroughly enjoyed being a part of the Air Force,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:41.97,0:52:44.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I was honored to serve my country in that way.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:45.69,0:52:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our disagreement and challenge to the Air Force has nothing to do with the
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:50.05,0:52:53.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people of the Air Force. It has to do with official Air Force policy.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:52:55.97,0:52:59.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think they are deliberately withholding the facts.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:00.42,0:53:04.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not just what you've heard here, but,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:06.22,0:53:08.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, continuously since 1969.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:10.20,0:53:13.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And by doing so, they are not allowing the people of this country
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:13.10,0:53:15.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to engage in the decisions
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:16.13,0:53:20.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding events that are clearly national security issues
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:20.85,0:53:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of concern to all of us.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:23.89,0:53:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're simply asking for the truth.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:25.56,0:53:26.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for your attention.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:27.01,0:53:29.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At this time, we're going to take questions.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:29.96,0:53:32.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Hastings will take it from here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:33.21,0:53:36.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you would, if you would
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:36.51,0:53:39.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go to the microphone over here
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:40.34,0:53:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and tell us what media you represent.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:44.31,0:53:45.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:47.59,0:53:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you ask a question,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:48.87,0:53:52.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would ask first that you identify yourself and your organization,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:52.46,0:53:56.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then direct your question perhaps to a specific individual.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:56.42,0:53:59.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That person will have to find his way to the mic,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:53:59.09,0:54:01.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so there'll be a bit of delay. Yes.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:01.64,0:54:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pat McIan, {\i1}The Daily Trojan{\i0}, University of Southern California.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:05.92,0:54:07.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We just did a big event here
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:08.31,0:54:11.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and... LucasArts, Mr. George Lucas himself.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:12.17,0:54:14.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to commend all of you;
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:14.42,0:54:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you guys are soft-spoken, but you carry a big stick
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:17.26,0:54:19.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's exactly the way to approach this issue.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:19.67,0:54:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember when UFOs first got going, it was like a laughing matter,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:25.14,0:54:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until they started revealing themselves in the deserts:
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:29.51,0:54:33.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arizona, Colorado, and so forth and so on.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:33.26,0:54:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm standing up here not only because,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:35.32,0:54:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I'm a resource to anybody,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:37.25,0:54:40.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if LucasArts is, please let me know
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:40.50,0:54:42.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm glad to do whatever I can to help you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:43.27,0:54:45.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As well, I wanted to point that my friend,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:45.53,0:54:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charles Stone back here, is something of a real authority on UFOs.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:49.75,0:54:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He does quite extensive work on websites and all
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:53.48,0:54:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and is a real authority if you need some questions answered.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:54:58.17,0:54:59.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:03.34,0:55:05.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello. Jeff Schogol, with {\i1}Stars and Stripes{\i0}.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:06.14,0:55:08.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two quick questions:
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:08.80,0:55:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Hastings, you had mentioned that this is an ongoing phenomenon.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:12.96,0:55:17.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there an incident later than 1980 that you are aware of?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:18.16,0:55:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then also,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:19.93,0:55:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are there any testimonies here today that are new that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:22.99,0:55:25.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have not yet been documented or been in the public domain?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:26.28,0:55:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a cross-section of the witnesses who've come forward.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:30.24,0:55:33.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The latest incident involving nuclear missiles
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:33.83,0:55:37.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was at Malmstrom Air Force Base in 2007.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:37.06,0:55:40.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, the person is still active-duty Air Force.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:40.44,0:55:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not going to elaborate on that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:42.71,0:55:45.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until that person is separated from the Air Force.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:45.59,0:55:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another incident occurred at the Nellis Air Force Base,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:49.00,0:55:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nevada, Area 2 Weapons Storage Area.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:51.97,0:55:55.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A series of incidents, the latest being in April of '03,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:55.44,0:55:57.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which there were unidentified aerial objects maneuvering
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:55:57.92,0:56:00.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,near the weapons bunkers at that facility.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:00.67,0:56:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,More recently, civilian sighting reports in Orange County, California,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:05.29,0:56:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the Naval, Seal Beach Naval Weapons Station,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:09.46,0:56:12.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a series of bunkers, again containing nuclear weapons.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:13.01,0:56:15.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were local media reports of
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:15.71,0:56:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,multiple sightings in March of '09
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:18.26,0:56:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and near this weapons storage facility.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:20.67,0:56:22.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This {\i1}is {\i0}ongoing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:22.56,0:56:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the tip of the iceberg.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:24.70,0:56:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can only {\i1}catch as catch can{\i0}.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:27.26,0:56:29.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am of the opinion that
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:29.28,0:56:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for every incident that I'm aware of
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:31.08,0:56:34.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for witnesses that we've got in hand,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:34.93,0:56:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there could be ten, there could be a hundred,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:36.80,0:56:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there could be many, many more incidents
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:38.65,0:56:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I'll never know about
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:40.14,0:56:41.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the people won't come forward.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:41.85,0:56:43.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'll wait years or decades
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:43.46,0:56:45.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to talk about what they know.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:45.99,0:56:49.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And is anything that has been said here,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:49.08,0:56:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not been in the public domain before?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:52.22,0:56:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sorry?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:53.92,0:56:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anything that has been said here I know I've heard Mr....
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:56:57.00,0:57:00.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the incident that Mr. Halt referred to. I've seen Mr. Salas.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:00.44,0:57:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there anything here...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:01.92,0:57:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other people that you've heard here today,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:03.54,0:57:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I reckon you have not heard about.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:05.21,0:57:07.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The testimony of the majority of these people
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:08.11,0:57:09.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have not hit the national airwaves,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:10.04,0:57:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so to speak, or the national media.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:12.07,0:57:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There have been websites,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:13.98,0:57:15.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've written articles and so on, but
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:15.87,0:57:17.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the majority of these witnesses have not received
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:18.03,0:57:20.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,national or international exposure.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:22.05,0:57:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think if we could, maybe limit one question per person
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:26.35,0:57:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we can get everybody accommodated. Yes.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:28.65,0:57:30.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gentlemen, Steven Smith,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:31.06,0:57:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,KSHE Radio, St. Louis.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:33.74,0:57:35.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I commend you all for being here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:35.47,0:57:37.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What an incredible panel.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:38.06,0:57:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Robert, you and I have always spoken over the phone.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:40.25,0:57:41.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm still editing the book.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:43.84,0:57:46.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was at Naval Headquarters in Communications
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:47.06,0:57:48.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during the Carter Administration,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:49.42,0:57:53.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I can affirm what you're all saying.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:53.60,0:57:56.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This phenomenon is incredibly real.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:57:57.18,0:58:01.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one day, a gentleman came into our comm station,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:02.08,0:58:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came up to me -- I had never seen him before in my life --
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:05.37,0:58:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and said, {\i1}"Do you know that we have aliens on ice?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:10.74,0:58:13.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was just taken back and speechless.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:14.55,0:58:16.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't pursue with any questioning.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:19.61,0:58:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he turned around and walked away, and walked out.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:24.86,0:58:27.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have been a contactee twice in my life.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:28.13,0:58:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both times in Santa Monica, California.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:31.05,0:58:34.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One in 1986, one in 1997.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:35.48,0:58:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Incredible experiences that I won't go into detail right now.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:40.12,0:58:42.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I just want to say, "Bravo, gentlemen."
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:42.91,0:58:43.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:47.17,0:58:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Spencer Ackerman with {\i1}Wired{\i0}.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:48.49,0:58:53.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Hastings, could you elaborate on why you've speculated
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:53.19,0:58:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the unidentified flying objects
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:56.56,0:58:59.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that all of you have described were...
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:58:59.61,0:59:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possessed the agenda of trying to tell us
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:01.96,0:59:04.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to turn away from our path of using nuclear weapons?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:05.15,0:59:07.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are there other potential explanations that you've
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:07.71,0:59:09.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,considered and found less plausible?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:09.35,0:59:11.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there a possible offensive threat
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:11.78,0:59:14.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the world from these UFOs?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:14.49,0:59:16.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I said in my introductory remarks,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:16.93,0:59:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's speculative on my part.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:19.47,0:59:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, given the available evidence,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:21.57,0:59:23.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is a plausible scenario.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:23.73,0:59:26.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can clearly say, based on radar data
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:26.48,0:59:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are empirical, not anecdotal,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:28.78,0:59:30.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that these objects have been tracked
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:30.24,0:59:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since the early 1950's if not earlier,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:33.61,0:59:36.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,traveling up to 7,000 miles per hour,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:36.60,0:59:39.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making right angle turns at high rates of speed,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:40.09,0:59:42.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,instantaneously hovering, reversing course.
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:42.96,0:59:45.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we or the Russians or any country on Earth
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:45.60,0:59:48.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had those kinds of craft in the early 50's,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:48.22,0:59:50.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why have been spent the last several decades developing
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:50.88,0:59:53.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fixed wing aircraft of far inferior abilities?
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:54.02,0:59:56.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are clearly, in my view,
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:59:56.61,1:00:00.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a technology from somewhere else piloted by beings
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:00.84,1:00:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from obviously another world or another dimension.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:04.81,1:00:06.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Moreover, the fact that
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:07.14,1:00:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,missiles have been tampered with here and in the former Soviet Union,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:11.29,1:00:13.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and on one occasion, in each country,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:13.39,1:00:16.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about which I am aware, actually activated,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:16.67,1:00:18.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that we can rule out
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:18.08,1:00:21.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that these are the Americans attempting to start World War III,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:21.06,1:00:23.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the Russians attempting to start World War III.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:23.68,1:00:27.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, the technology involved is so superior
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:27.33,1:00:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we cannot conceive of a logical scenario
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:30.30,1:00:32.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whereby either of our countries would attempt
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:32.96,1:00:34.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to activate nuclear missiles
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:34.71,1:00:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for any reason under the sun.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:36.68,1:00:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:39.41,1:00:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our opinion is that, whoever these beings are,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:42.58,1:00:45.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are indeed attempting to send a signal
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:45.58,1:00:46.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we are playing with fire,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:46.99,1:00:50.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we are gambling with the human race's future.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:50.56,1:00:52.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are other possible scenarios.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:52.49,1:00:55.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have half-jokingly said from time to time,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:55.50,1:00:57.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"Maybe they're planning to invade Earth,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:00:57.42,1:01:01.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}and they don't want to inherit a radioactive environment when they do."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:01.75,1:01:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I don't believe that's what's going on by any means.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:04.85,1:01:08.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think humankind is in jeopardy from whoever they are
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:08.53,1:01:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what their intentions are,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:10.02,1:01:13.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}except{\i0} we will have our minds expanded.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:13.21,1:01:15.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There will be a paradigm shift.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:15.37,1:01:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Traditional institutions such as religions, governments,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:18.74,1:01:21.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other social institutions may indeed by threatened,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:21.94,1:01:23.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be threatened by what is coming.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:23.96,1:01:26.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is just a logical consequence of
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:26.67,1:01:28.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is about to occur.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:28.38,1:01:31.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, if indeed, this Earth is being visited by other races,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:31.73,1:01:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if those races are, one or more races are, in fact,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:35.62,1:01:37.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,repeatedly monitoring and
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:37.35,1:01:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes tampering with our nuclear weapons,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:39.89,1:01:41.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that secret, in our view,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:41.48,1:01:45.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should not be kept from the citizens of this planet any longer.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:45.38,1:01:49.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you don't think there's an offensive element to their contact?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:50.24,1:01:52.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think there's any potential hostility
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:53.34,1:01:57.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except, again, to closed-minded people.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:01:57.97,1:01:59.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Can I add something?\N- Sure.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:02.03,1:02:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is to the question of hostility.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:07.57,1:02:10.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What you've heard up here, especially in my case,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:10.23,1:02:12.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they could have done a lot more damage
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:12.73,1:02:14.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and permanent damage
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:14.18,1:02:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to our weapon systems, and they did not.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:17.79,1:02:20.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of these weapons, in my case,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:20.10,1:02:21.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were brought back up on alert.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:22.59,1:02:26.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It took a day or so, but everything was fine.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:27.84,1:02:30.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they wanted to destroy them,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:31.33,1:02:34.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with all the powers they seem to have,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:34.06,1:02:36.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think they could have done that job. So,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:37.56,1:02:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I personally don't think that this was a hostile intent.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:44.05,1:02:46.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi. I'm Charles Stone with the {\i1}Tiger News Service{\i0}.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:46.15,1:02:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't ask my friend to come up and
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:48.16,1:02:49.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make that statement for me
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:49.23,1:02:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I appreciate your patience.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:51.04,1:02:55.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've published internationally in the history of weapons of mass destruction,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:55.97,1:02:57.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including going back to the 1940's.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:02:57.96,1:03:01.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And these incidents go back to at least that period of time
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:01.90,1:03:05.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that U.S. government military facilities that
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:05.21,1:03:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were doing high-tech development in that period of time also,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:08.92,1:03:10.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reportedly at least, had
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:10.59,1:03:14.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UFO visitors of various types.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:15.24,1:03:19.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that there are rep... there is archeological evidence
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:19.68,1:03:22.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there have been what we would call...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:22.38,1:03:24.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's evidence of
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:24.91,1:03:30.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's almost certainly atomic warfare in ancient history
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:30.99,1:03:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least twice.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:32.79,1:03:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also that I'd like to mention
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:35.65,1:03:38.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that one of our biggest and most powerful government agencies
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:38.77,1:03:40.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was founded, in part,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:40.67,1:03:42.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to monitor the UFO activities.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:42.91,1:03:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was the National Security Agency in the late 1940's.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:47.30,1:03:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you have a question, sir?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:48.78,1:03:53.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you aware that the NSA
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:53.10,1:03:58.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was partially founded to monitor UFOs?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:03:58.59,1:04:00.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've heard rumors to that effect
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:00.23,1:04:02.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also the Central Intelligence Agency.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:02.50,1:04:04.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In my view, those rumors aren't supported
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:04.55,1:04:07.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by any authoritative documentation at this point.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:07.53,1:04:10.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would not be surprised, at the same time,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:10.27,1:04:12.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if that were ultimately proved true by historians.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:12.94,1:04:15.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, that's as far as I think we can take it at this point.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:15.76,1:04:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right, yeah. Thank you.\N- Thank you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:19.68,1:04:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi. My name is John Kelly. I'm a columnist at {\i1}The Washington Post{\i0}.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:23.05,1:04:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Colonel Halt,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:24.71,1:04:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you mentioned that when you went out, you had a
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:29.72,1:04:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cassette recorder, a Geiger counter.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:32.78,1:04:33.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You said a camera?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:34.00,1:04:35.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Camera, 35 millimeter camera.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:35.69,1:04:36.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did, so...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:37.66,1:04:40.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, did you take any photographs
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:40.41,1:04:43.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and second, how does a cassette tape
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:44.24,1:04:47.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,made by you, presumably, for official purposes,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:47.97,1:04:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,end up at a cocktail party entertaining guests?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:51.15,1:04:53.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, two questions. Let me answer the first one.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:53.98,1:04:56.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The disaster preparedness individual I took along,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:56.73,1:04:58.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tech Sergeant Monroe Nevels,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:04:58.79,1:05:01.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also worked for the base newspaper part-time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:01.65,1:05:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was a professional photographer on the side,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:03.60,1:05:06.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had a degree in photography, had his own dark room.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:06.20,1:05:08.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, when he left the base, we had serious problems
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:08.44,1:05:11.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he painted one of his rooms with flat black paint,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:11.72,1:05:14.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we had to redo the paint about four or five times.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:15.22,1:05:16.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He took numerous pictures,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:16.62,1:05:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pictures of the indentations, pictures of the broken branches.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:19.77,1:05:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He tried to take pictures of the objects in the sky.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:22.83,1:05:24.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He took the film back home,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:25.29,1:05:28.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it all came out fogged, unfortunately.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:28.35,1:05:30.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, he did it in his own dark room.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:30.99,1:05:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used to have a dark room and dabble in photography too.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:33.24,1:05:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He could have done it himself.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:34.75,1:05:37.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could have been the radiation, which I have doubts about,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:37.60,1:05:39.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or something could have happened that we don't know about.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:39.80,1:05:41.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But anyhow, the film all came out fogged.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:43.20,1:05:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sergeant Pennison had a camera.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:45.45,1:05:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was not uncommon for the security police
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:48.75,1:05:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the perimeter to carry cameras
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:50.52,1:05:53.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the British have a lot of... we call them 'birdwatchers,'
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:53.09,1:05:56.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people that catch tail numbers and follow the history of airplanes
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:56.68,1:05:58.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and climb over the fence from time to time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:05:59.09,1:06:01.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not to do any damage or any harm,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:01.14,1:06:03.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but curiosity and trying to get close.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:03.03,1:06:04.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a part of a game.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:04.29,1:06:07.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if they did that, we would photograph them inside the fence,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:07.78,1:06:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and turn them over to the British police.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:09.74,1:06:12.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sergeant Pennison took his film to the photo lab
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:12.23,1:06:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and turned it in and they told him it disappeared.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:15.89,1:06:17.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't answer that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:18.35,1:06:21.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other question, what was the other question you asked about the...?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:21.54,1:06:23.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So did you personally have a camera and were taking...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:23.56,1:06:24.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-...pictures? \N- I did not.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:24.24,1:06:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- These two...\N- I had the microcassette recorder.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:26.87,1:06:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We -- keep in mind -- we were just in the process of transitioning
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:30.25,1:06:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to word processors in those days,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:31.91,1:06:33.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still using the typewriter.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:33.03,1:06:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our secretaries were very resistant
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:34.77,1:06:37.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to getting involved in modern technology.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:37.56,1:06:40.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, what I would I do, I carried one in my pocket, a little Lanier,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:40.52,1:06:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we had the big Lanier machine in the office,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:42.49,1:06:43.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when I went around the base,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:43.61,1:06:45.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd note, you know, the fence is damaged here,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:45.52,1:06:48.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this needs to be painted, whatever was going on.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:48.54,1:06:49.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'd come back and give her the tape,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:50.03,1:06:52.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she'd type it up for the staff meeting the following week.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:53.00,1:06:55.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I just thought, well I'll take the tape recorder along,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:55.31,1:06:58.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don't want to take notes. It's cold and windy, dark.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:06:58.37,1:07:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I took my tape recorder along.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:00.49,1:07:02.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a little microcassette, one of those little tiny ones.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:02.55,1:07:03.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still have it, by the way.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:04.35,1:07:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I came back, and after the tape was played at Third Air Force
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:08.62,1:07:11.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I played it for Squadron Leader Moreland and several other people,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:12.18,1:07:14.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ted Conrad, my boss, said, {\i1}"Make me a copy."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:14.87,1:07:16.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I made him a copy.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:16.25,1:07:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He put it in a desk drawer, in his desk drawer.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:19.62,1:07:22.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He moved on and was replaced.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:22.71,1:07:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the gentleman that replaced him thought it was hilarious to play the tape
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:25.85,1:07:28.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-- I didn't know this at the time -- at cocktail parties.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:28.36,1:07:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he was playing a copy.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:30.55,1:07:33.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A copy of that copy somehow or other got to a gentleman
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:33.37,1:07:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the name of Harry Harris, a British banister or a lawyer.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:37.80,1:07:39.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Harry was a amateur UFOlogist.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:39.97,1:07:42.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He and a guy by the name of Mack...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:42.88,1:07:43.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mike Sachs.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:44.01,1:07:45.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I traced this down years later.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:46.14,1:07:48.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a couple of ladies named Brenda Butler,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:48.41,1:07:51.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dot Street and Jenny Randals, who were writing a book at that time,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:51.66,1:07:56.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all got involved and my tape got out into the public domain, a copy of my tape.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:56.40,1:07:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's on the internet now is probably a fifth, sixth or seventh generation,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:07:59.95,1:08:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's out there.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:01.05,1:08:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, does that answer your question?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:02.45,1:08:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:04.90,1:08:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me interject that Robert Jamison,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:07.31,1:08:12.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the missile targeting officer from Malmstrom in '67 does need to catch a plane.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:12.66,1:08:15.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, if anyone wants to direct a question to him,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:15.31,1:08:17.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you'll need to do it in the near-term here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:18.84,1:08:21.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi. Ledge King with {\i1}Gannett{\i0}, Washington bureau.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:22.00,1:08:25.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have three questions, two of which can be answered by raising a hand.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:26.67,1:08:30.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first is, have any of you been contacted in the last month,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:30.85,1:08:33.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess, whenever this event was being planned
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:33.27,1:08:37.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by a government official telling you not to show up or trying to dissuade you?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:37.27,1:08:38.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any of them? Any of you? No.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:39.07,1:08:42.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Second question is, Mr. Hastings alludes to the fact
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:42.23,1:08:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's a message being sent here
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:44.21,1:08:46.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we ought to get rid of nukes.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:46.18,1:08:48.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How many of you subscribe to that theory?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:52.20,1:08:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That the theory... that you support getting rid of nukes, first of all.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:08:56.58,1:08:59.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think he said that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:00.16,1:09:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, that, what you're being asked is,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:03.00,1:09:06.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bob and I are of the opinion that the bottom line is
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:07.05,1:09:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the best explanation for what has taken place at our nuclear weapons sites,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:10.82,1:09:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that whoever in the UFOs are, in effect, sending a message,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:14.12,1:09:15.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perhaps getting rid of nukes,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:16.00,1:09:17.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,expressing displeasure or concern,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:17.98,1:09:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but certainly indicating an interference with the weapons.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:21.57,1:09:24.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're being asked whether you subscribe to that or not.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:24.30,1:09:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Do you support it?\N- Not quite, not quite that... to that degree.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:27.00,1:09:30.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think they're monitoring us to make sure we don't mess things up.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:30.74,1:09:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do all of you support getting rid of nuclear weapons?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:33.46,1:09:34.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:34.73,1:09:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Show of hands.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:36.73,1:09:37.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One. Okay.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:39.01,1:09:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Can I just add?\N- Sure.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:42.16,1:09:43.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With regard to...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:46.10,1:09:49.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the reason that I came to the conclusion that this was a message.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:49.74,1:09:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Simply again,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:52.37,1:09:55.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they could have done a lot more destruction, I think,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:55.19,1:09:57.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to our weapons systems, and they didn't.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:57.55,1:09:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was simply
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:09:59.36,1:10:02.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shining a light on our nuclear weapons, literally.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:02.66,1:10:06.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Literally shining a light on nuclear facilities.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:06.63,1:10:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This has happened all over the world.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:08.32,1:10:13.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can point to other instances where UFOs came over,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:13.63,1:10:16.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shone a beam down on the weapons storage area
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:16.14,1:10:18.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where nukes were stored.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:20.29,1:10:21.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To me, it's pretty clear.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:21.54,1:10:23.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is just, you know,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:24.32,1:10:25.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"We're shining a light on this.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:25.59,1:10:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}We're pointing it out.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:27.20,1:10:29.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}What are you people doing with nuclear weapons?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:30.83,1:10:31.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my final question,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:32.00,1:10:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which does require somebody to speak,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:34.94,1:10:38.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is, you know, you've talked about how society
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:38.39,1:10:41.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the mainstream media are sort of, are very dismissive of all this.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:42.30,1:10:45.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can one or two of you talk about, sort of, the personal journey
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:45.69,1:10:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've come to in terms of, you know,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:50.13,1:10:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,approaching family or friends or others about this,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:53.54,1:10:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when people may think that it's 'kooky' to talk about this?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:10:57.36,1:11:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can one or two of you talk about how, you know...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:00.64,1:11:01.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was it difficult?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:01.55,1:11:04.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How difficult was it, that sort of thing?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:04.40,1:11:05.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:06.07,1:11:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, as a person who is very, very skeptical about this,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:09.74,1:11:11.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what I called 'UFO nonsense',
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:12.76,1:11:14.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when that happened that night,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:14.63,1:11:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I thought through the process of what the logical explanations are.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:19.38,1:11:22.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After that, I was very careful about who I told what,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:22.97,1:11:26.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because some of my friends, when I started on this, just laughed.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:27.67,1:11:28.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I got ridiculed.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:28.88,1:11:31.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was used to the ridicule from the Air Force,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:31.18,1:11:33.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except for the dual standard.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:33.76,1:11:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're going to ridicule, but it's secret and don't talk about it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:37.24,1:11:41.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And coming out was... was my...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:42.61,1:11:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I came out a little bit. I talked to Robert.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:45.45,1:11:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I gave him a little bit of the story. I didn't want my name to come out.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:47.60,1:11:50.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was concerned. I don't want to be considered a kook.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:50.20,1:11:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want to, you know...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:51.56,1:11:55.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I consider, not so many anymore,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:55.81,1:11:58.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I consider some of the extremists a bit kooky,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:11:58.82,1:12:02.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think it's more important that we come out
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:02.49,1:12:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and tell our story rationally and see that we aren't kooks.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:07.04,1:12:09.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is what happened and make your own judgment. But,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:10.66,1:12:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am, one of my concerns is that
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:13.31,1:12:15.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you all think I'm a kook!
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:15.63,1:12:18.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm old enough that I don't really care that much...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:20.15,1:12:21.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it happened.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:21.69,1:12:22.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, is that okay?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:23.21,1:12:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- How old are you?\N- Sixty-eight...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:24.84,1:12:27.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay. Thank you.\N-...going on ninety-five.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:30.43,1:12:31.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would briefly add to that
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:31.89,1:12:34.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I made a decision decades ago
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:34.63,1:12:38.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that no matter who laughed at me or threw things at me,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:38.19,1:12:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would speak what I knew to be the facts.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:41.02,1:12:44.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The world is filled with self-appointed UFO experts,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:44.63,1:12:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,persons who have all the answers,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:46.84,1:12:48.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though they've studied none of the facts.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:49.15,1:12:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The scientific community is chock full of those folks.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:52.46,1:12:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Journalism, frankly, is chock full of those folks.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:55.51,1:12:58.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're presenting credible witnesses for open minds,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:12:58.97,1:13:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who have an objective
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:00.64,1:13:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sense of their duty to inform the American public
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:04.26,1:13:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the reality of this situation.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:06.56,1:13:08.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're providing you not only these witnesses,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:08.80,1:13:13.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but many other witnesses who can testify as to the reality of all of this
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:13.75,1:13:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you may draw your own conclusions.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:19.61,1:13:22.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Lisa Pham from {\i1}Epoch Times{\i0} newspaper.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:22.75,1:13:26.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My question's towards Mr. Arneson.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:26.77,1:13:31.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You mentioned someone over there trying to send us a message.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:31.85,1:13:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wonder what kind of a message.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:33.87,1:13:38.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do those aliens consider our Earth people
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:38.38,1:13:39.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a threat to them,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:40.17,1:13:44.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they just try to defend or they try to come here
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:44.41,1:13:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to occupy, take over Earth?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:46.81,1:13:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What kind of message, you think?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:49.95,1:13:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I knew that answer, I wouldn't be here.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:52.76,1:13:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really don't know. But they're,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:56.30,1:13:59.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're trying to tell us something, without a question.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:13:59.06,1:14:03.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether it's {\i1}"Don't go much further. Get rid of the things,"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:03.37,1:14:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have any idea.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:04.89,1:14:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are they from the extraterrestrial? Who knows?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:07.52,1:14:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are they from other dimensions? Who knows?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:10.06,1:14:12.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are they from underneath the Earth? Who knows?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:13.91,1:14:16.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your guess is as good as mine, and I can't answer that question.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:17.92,1:14:18.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anything else?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:21.09,1:14:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The government are trying to
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:23.37,1:14:26.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conceal this information, the fact actually,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:27.23,1:14:29.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for many of... for all those years.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:29.68,1:14:34.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think this will do good for the society's stability,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:34.25,1:14:37.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it's a kind of a prevent for some
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:37.40,1:14:39.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,advance or further research...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:41.42,1:14:42.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for our society?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:42.75,1:14:45.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, that's a, that's a big one,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:46.42,1:14:49.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have been lied to for so many decades about
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:49.53,1:14:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the truth of the matter.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:50.67,1:14:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think we need to have more openness in society as far as
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:54.83,1:14:56.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what these things are.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:57.18,1:14:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Recently, in the last year or two,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:14:58.90,1:15:02.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Catholic Church has said publicly, you know,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:03.38,1:15:06.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"It's okay. E.T.s can exist.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:06.64,1:15:08.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}They're our brothers."{\i0} And they are...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:08.51,1:15:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,theologically saying it's okay
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:11.72,1:15:13.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to believe in extraterrestrials.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:14.11,1:15:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if the Catholic Church says it,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:16.42,1:15:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's got to have a big stick, I would think,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:18.25,1:15:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as far the western world is concerned, anyhow.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:23.08,1:15:26.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think right now, it's a time for human beings to admit
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:26.86,1:15:29.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are other spiritual beings in the universe
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:29.83,1:15:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,besides the human race?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:31.65,1:15:34.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh yeah, oh yeah. I think that's the...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:34.30,1:15:35.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The thing is,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:35.74,1:15:40.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people are so wrapped up nowadays in their own world.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:40.51,1:15:43.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're worried about jobs. They're worried about mortgages.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:43.33,1:15:45.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They could care less about UFOs
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:46.00,1:15:50.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and E.T.s and paranormal events and what not.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:50.23,1:15:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That isn't even on their radar scope --
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:52.82,1:15:54.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unfortunately. That's...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:54.21,1:15:59.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[unclear] and not your high school concept [unclear]
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:15:59.30,1:16:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand that.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:00.55,1:16:03.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't spoken to college students that much myself,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:03.69,1:16:05.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I understand that that is a fact.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:05.85,1:16:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah. And that's healthy!
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:08.45,1:16:09.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's goodness.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:09.74,1:16:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have the Church alone, the last bastion...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:13.19,1:16:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, yeah. I just wonder...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:16.15,1:16:18.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just wonder what some of the archives
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:19.07,1:16:20.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Vatican,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:20.78,1:16:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as far as UFOs and things like that are concerned,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:23.54,1:16:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if that could be released.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:25.23,1:16:28.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wow, I bet it would blow the socks off a lot of people.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:28.52,1:16:29.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That would be interesting.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:29.53,1:16:31.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey, let's just write the Pope. Let's write.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:31.97,1:16:33.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay. Let... \N- Sorry.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:33.81,1:16:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me, let me...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:35.23,1:16:39.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You asked what would the potential changes be for society, would this be good?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:39.82,1:16:42.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me briefly summarize and say:
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:43.37,1:16:47.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 1975, a former CIA official, Victor Marchetti,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:47.41,1:16:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wrote a best-selling book called {\i1}The CIA and Cult of Intelligence{\i0}.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:51.85,1:16:53.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The CIA took him to the Supreme Court
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:53.74,1:16:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to attempt public... block publication of that book.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:56.94,1:16:59.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ultimately, a redacted version of it was released.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:16:59.78,1:17:01.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was the first book in American history
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:01.73,1:17:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be censored by the U.S. government.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:03.93,1:17:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same Victor Marchetti, in 1979,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:07.15,1:17:10.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wrote an article for {\i1}Second Look{\i0} magazine.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:10.52,1:17:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The title, I believe, was
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:11.88,1:17:14.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}How the CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon{\i0}.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:14.83,1:17:17.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, among other things,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:17.20,1:17:19.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"This subject was so sensitive that{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:19.11,1:17:22.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}you did not talk about it in the Agency unless you had a need to.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:22.57,1:17:24.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Nevertheless, there were rumors floating around{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:24.98,1:17:26.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}at the highest levels of CIA{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:26.89,1:17:29.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}about recovered crashed UFOs and{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:29.10,1:17:30.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}the bodies of their crews."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:31.18,1:17:33.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thirdly, Victor Marchetti said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:33.51,1:17:35.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in his opinion as an intelligence analyst
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:36.35,1:17:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with CIA for, I think, eleven years,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:38.93,1:17:41.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was of the opinion that no government on Earth
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:41.18,1:17:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will voluntarily release this information,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:43.36,1:17:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it would jeopardize the status quo, i.e., their power.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:47.73,1:17:51.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if there's no hostile intent or implication
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:51.45,1:17:53.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the visitation of these beings,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:53.32,1:17:55.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if indeed these are extraterrestrials,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:55.88,1:17:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if they're not meaning us any harm whatsoever,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:17:59.78,1:18:01.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,governments have nothing to gain
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:01.57,1:18:04.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everything to lose by admitting the reality of this
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:05.04,1:18:07.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Victor Marchetti's opinion is that, you know,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:07.40,1:18:09.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this will probably come out
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:09.50,1:18:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by some action on the part of the phenomenon itself,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:13.11,1:18:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which will leave no doubt in anyone's mind,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:15.57,1:18:20.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but don't expect Washington or Moscow or any other government
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:20.25,1:18:23.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to volunteer the reality of all of this.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:23.34,1:18:24.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:27.30,1:18:31.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Jim Canan. I'm a defense writer of long standing, in this town,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:31.75,1:18:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for {\i1}Gannett Newspapers' BusinessWeek{\i0} magazine, and
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:35.39,1:18:37.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was a senior editor of {\i1}Air Force{\i0} magazine.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:38.53,1:18:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to ask a question, but I want to contribute something.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:41.38,1:18:42.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was on {\i1}Air Force{\i0} magazine,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:42.66,1:18:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was told by an Air Force Colonel of long acquaintance
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:46.18,1:18:47.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this was real,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:47.63,1:18:49.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that we were actually {\i1}dealing with{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:49.93,1:18:51.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the aliens.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:51.85,1:18:53.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never had the guts to write...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:53.48,1:18:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, {\i1}"You won't have the guts to write this."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:55.28,1:18:57.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, {\i1}"No, because I have to confirm it. And{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:18:57.90,1:19:00.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}if you can't tell me how to confirm it..."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:00.30,1:19:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He did give me a couple names, but it didn't pan out.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:02.99,1:19:05.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was like all the rest of the press. You know,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:05.10,1:19:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't have... If I couldn't confirm it, I wouldn't write it.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:09.12,1:19:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, that may mean that we're somewhat cowardly,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:12.01,1:19:14.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at the same time, it means that we're also very careful.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:15.05,1:19:18.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do sympathize with the members of the press
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:18.62,1:19:20.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who do not write about this,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:20.15,1:19:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though I myself am convinced of it by now,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:23.00,1:19:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I was one of them once.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:24.51,1:19:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now, I have a question, contemporary.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:29.07,1:19:32.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two years ago, the Air Force Chief of Staff and
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:32.15,1:19:35.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Secretary of the Air Force were dismissed
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:35.35,1:19:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the Secretary of Defense for, among other reasons,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:38.63,1:19:43.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being sloppy in their management of nuclear weapons.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:44.40,1:19:46.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We transported an armed one somewhere.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:46.81,1:19:49.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We sent components overseas and so forth.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:49.45,1:19:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This shook up the Air Force.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:51.13,1:19:54.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to ask you gentlemen, in the aggregate or individually,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:55.50,1:19:59.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you think that this evidence of malfeasance ranks up there
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:19:59.59,1:20:02.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with not telling the public about
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:03.03,1:20:06.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alien or UFO intrusion at nuclear sites?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:06.35,1:20:08.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there an equation there?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:12.43,1:20:14.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Can I speak to this gentleman?\N- Sure.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:17.56,1:20:19.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know about ranking, but
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:20.09,1:20:23.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it points out the dangers of nuclear weapons.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:23.27,1:20:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fact that these accidents have occurred,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:27.93,1:20:31.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,serious accidents with nuclear weapons. And...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:33.00,1:20:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And... it's just,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:35.34,1:20:38.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it just points out how dangerous it is that we have them.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:39.13,1:20:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know how to compare that with the cover-up.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:43.27,1:20:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have done an analysis of the cover-up
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:45.38,1:20:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'd be glad to give to any of you guys that are interested.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:51.39,1:20:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think it's related and the fact that...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:55.60,1:20:58.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the cover-up of the fact that
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:20:58.09,1:21:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,UFOs did intercede with our nuclear weapons
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:01.28,1:21:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is extremely important.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:03.98,1:21:05.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,May I add something?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:06.08,1:21:09.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This Air Force Colonel who talked to me about all this,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:09.75,1:21:12.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he did so in result of my questioning about it after
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:12.90,1:21:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Japan Airlines freighter over Alaska
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:16.60,1:21:19.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was trailed by a UFO in 1987.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:19.51,1:21:23.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I called all over Elmendorf, FAA, the Pentagon.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:23.47,1:21:25.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I was approached by this Colonel
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:25.72,1:21:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whom I have known, who said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:27.61,1:21:30.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"I understand you are interested in UFOs."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:30.18,1:21:32.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, {\i1}"Yeah."{\i0} You know.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:32.26,1:21:33.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"Well, I have something to tell you."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:34.07,1:21:37.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And since he had known me a long time, that's why he got into this.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:38.62,1:21:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was... it had no great enterprise on my part
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:41.40,1:21:44.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I still don't know what to believe, but...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:44.12,1:21:48.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would you comment on... he also said, though,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:48.45,1:21:51.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we have a lot of misconceptions about
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:51.03,1:21:52.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what they are here for.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:53.02,1:21:55.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said they basically don't give a damn.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:56.10,1:21:58.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They don't care what we do.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:21:58.81,1:22:00.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are here for their own purposes
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:00.90,1:22:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that any notion that they should land and say, {\i1}"Take us to your leader,"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:04.77,1:22:08.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,boggles the imagination because they don't care about that kind of thing.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:08.63,1:22:11.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, {\i1}"Well, do you have any idea why they are here?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:11.94,1:22:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said, {\i1}"No."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:13.32,1:22:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he didn't anybody else in the Air Force
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:15.28,1:22:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or anywhere else did either. I just have...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:18.02,1:22:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me interject. Regarding the,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:19.92,1:22:23.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the November '87 radar tracking incident that you alluded to.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:23.92,1:22:26.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right and the...\N- In recent years, you may know that
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:26.96,1:22:30.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the number-five guy in the echelon at FAA, John Callahan...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:30.69,1:22:32.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Right.\N-... has gone public and said that
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:32.91,1:22:36.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shortly after that happened, CIA agent,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:36.70,1:22:39.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two agents, I believe, and some other government types,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:39.48,1:22:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,convened a meeting at FAA headquarters, and said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:42.48,1:22:45.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"We want all the radar tapes, all the voice tapes,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:45.33,1:22:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}and this never happened. I wasn't here."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:49.19,1:22:52.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,John Callahan said, {\i1}"How come we can't tell the people about this?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:52.54,1:22:56.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,According to this FAA administrator, the CIA agent said,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:56.65,1:22:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"The people would panic. The public would panic."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:22:59.24,1:23:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,John Callahan, to his immense credit
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:02.34,1:23:03.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kept some of the data...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:03.81,1:23:05.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yes.\N...down in his office.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:05.26,1:23:07.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The CIA agent said, {\i1}"Give me all of this."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:07.31,1:23:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He gave him everything that was on the table,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:09.18,1:23:11.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't tell him about what was downstairs,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:11.49,1:23:13.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when he left the agency,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:13.47,1:23:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,John Callahan released that to the public.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:15.72,1:23:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, CIA is still quite involved in all of this.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:20.32,1:23:23.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Leslie Kean's great book includes that again.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:23.68,1:23:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think regarding...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:26.74,1:23:29.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, to follow up on the other part of your question about,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:29.73,1:23:30.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, what are they up to
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:30.78,1:23:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- why are they here...\N- Right.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:32.17,1:23:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...and so on. No one knows.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:33.60,1:23:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe the people at the CIA and the Pentagon
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:35.62,1:23:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Kremlin don't even know. {\i1}However,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:38.42,1:23:40.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these very simplistic scenarios of,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:40.73,1:23:41.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they're real and they're here,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:41.95,1:23:43.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why don't they land on the White House lawn?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:43.71,1:23:47.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, if they're anthropologists and this is a classroom experiment,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:47.82,1:23:49.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't interject yourself into the experiment...
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:49.76,1:23:51.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Exactly.\N- ...experiment, you observe.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:51.66,1:23:53.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or, an alternate scenario:
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:53.60,1:23:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If this backwards planet is on the verge of a nuclear holocaust,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:23:58.80,1:24:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe on a limited basis you intervene in a way
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:01.90,1:24:03.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Pentagon knows what's going on,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:03.71,1:24:05.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Kremlin knows what's going on.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:05.66,1:24:07.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Except for troublemakers like us,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:07.77,1:24:09.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the public at large in either country
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:09.86,1:24:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does not know what's going on.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:12.52,1:24:15.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in effect, you send a signal, in my opinion,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:15.49,1:24:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to governments about nuclear weapons
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:17.30,1:24:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without alarming the general populace.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:21.15,1:24:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The late Dr. J. Allen Hynek, who was a UFO skeptic,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:23.99,1:24:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he worked for Project Bluebook for so many years,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:26.21,1:24:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he eventually believed,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:27.57,1:24:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"I've been wrong. Science has been wrong.{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:29.36,1:24:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}These are real and we should check into it."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:32.35,1:24:34.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When asked why, you know, the aliens,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:34.47,1:24:37.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if that's who they are, do not visit us,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:37.32,1:24:39.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he said, {\i1}"You know, a zoo is a nice place to visit,{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:39.90,1:24:42.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}but you don't communicate with the lizards."{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:42.82,1:24:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you know, there's any number of plausible scenarios to explain
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:46.64,1:24:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why we have not had open contact.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:48.66,1:24:50.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am of the opinion that
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:50.98,1:24:53.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whoever they are have enough sense to know
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:53.56,1:24:57.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if they interject themselves into our reality in one fell swoop,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:24:57.82,1:25:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there could be very dire repercussions.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:00.03,1:25:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whereas, on the other hand,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:01.98,1:25:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they engage in an on-again, off-again, cat-and-mouse behavior
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:05.96,1:25:10.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that allows a slow psychological conditioning of humankind
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:10.76,1:25:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the reality and the presence of their... themselves,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:15.21,1:25:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then when open contact,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:17.10,1:25:19.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if that indeed is in the cards, occurs,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:19.93,1:25:22.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there will be far less trauma.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:22.21,1:25:23.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:23.08,1:25:25.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wasn't meaning to contest your point of view, by the way,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:25.41,1:25:26.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,merely pointing out what I had heard.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:27.17,1:25:28.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's all right.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:30.29,1:25:32.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Michael Rank from Lancaster County.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:32.80,1:25:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Al and I came down this afternoon, and
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:35.11,1:25:38.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were talking about the fact
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:38.13,1:25:40.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we are now able to combine
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:41.08,1:25:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,human and non-human genetic materials
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:44.04,1:25:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by our medical sciences. And,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:47.37,1:25:49.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know whether any of you have had a chance to read
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:49.89,1:25:52.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Doctor, Professor Jacobs's book, {\i1}The Threat{\i0}.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:52.86,1:25:58.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's a tenured professor at Temple University and
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:25:58.06,1:26:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he has been doing
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:01.01,1:26:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regression therapy with abductees for years,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:05.51,1:26:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he has quite a body of knowledge there.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:10.38,1:26:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My... one of my reasons for asking this is,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:15.30,1:26:17.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being an old district attorney,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:17.13,1:26:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the definition of 'murder'
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:19.35,1:26:21.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the unlawful killing of another human being,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:21.79,1:26:24.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but nowhere does it say, {\i1}"Does it have to be 100 percent human?{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:25.05,1:26:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Can it be one percent human?"{\i0}
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:27.59,1:26:29.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm waiting for someone to play that card.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:29.62,1:26:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm out of the business now, but that might be fun.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:33.91,1:26:37.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other issue is
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:37.56,1:26:42.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the toadies in government who are following their orders
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:42.97,1:26:46.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to lose the files in Freedom of Information Acts,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:46.89,1:26:50.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, might take a totally different view,
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:50.17,1:26:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as to their attempt to preserve their jobs if they realize
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:54.76,1:26:56.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there might be an argument made
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:26:56.88,1:27:01.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is a First Amendment violation by suppressing the truth
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:27:01.15,1:27:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about these things that have been found and seen and so forth.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:27:04.85,1:27:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The suppression works to favor certain religions
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:27:10.31,1:27:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,versus other religions.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:27:12.16,1:27:13.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:27:15.04,1:27:16.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyone else?
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:27:18.76,1:27:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for coming.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:27:19.76,1:27:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, all of us will be available
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:27:21.80,1:27:24.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for one-on-one interviews for some period of time.
Dialogue: Marked=0,1:27:25.11,1:27:26.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.