Dr. Bill Deagle:
Telephone conversation transcript,
16 February 2009
Deagle (BD): Hello, Bill.
(BR): Dr. Bill. Good afternoon to you. How’re
BD: Good. How is your manic day going on at the conference?
Let’s see now. I guess you two had new travels. Where
have you gone?
BR: Well, we were in Ecuador about a month ago working
with Brian O’Leary and George Green. I think you know
George, don’t you?
yes. I know George quite well.
BR: And Brian O’Leary, ex-NASA. He’s a free
energy activist. He’s a very wonderful man and we were
delighted to get to know him. And Ecuador is a very interesting
place to be. Now we’re in somewhere completely different
at the Los Angeles Conscious Life Expo.
BD: Oh yeah. That’s
been talking informally with David Icke and Jordan Maxwell
and a number of other people who you know pretty well.
heard that David was down for the conference, too. Is that
BR: That’s correct. We’re actually looking
forward to interviewing him in a few days’ time. We’ve
been chasing him.
BD: Do you have a contact number for him? I’ve
been wanting to get him on my show for a while and I haven’t
been able to get in touch with him.
would be delighted to make that introduction.
(KC): Bill, this is Kerry Cassidy.
like to do a brief introduction before you get started there.
Hi there, this is Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan from Project
Camelot. Today is Monday, the 16th of February, 2009.
Deagle, we’re very interested in hearing what
you have to say. I know you have an update for us, so go ahead.
Bill, it was your birthday yesterday? Is that right?
was. And today is President’s
Day -- which is interesting. [laughter] Yeah.
I guess, follows a talk last September  and of course
the call-back on October 4th regarding the dissolution of
Iceland, which of course has got, probably, early membership
in the European Union coming up. But what’s going on
is it’s decaying to a kind of a state of chaos there.
There’s a number of nations where this is happening.
I just got off of doing a show today with Joan Veon, Ted Pike,
and of course Lindsey Williams, his contacts high in the oil
field and the globalist organizations that are controlling
I think people should realize is that what’s
coming is not a recession. It’s not a depression.
It’s not even just an economic dissolution where
we get the entire world economy to collapse.
an economic revolution, which means that
there probably is going to be some short, sharp, very severe
pain, but they’re gonna be changing the very whole nature
of what the world economy is.
I believe, from all the research and also the intuitive side
of what’s going on, is we’re going to be facing
a number of things that fly in the face of logic and the latest
in scientific research.
this week I’ll have on the show Dr. Peter
Ward, a specialist in geology, volcanism, and air chemistry
in terms of what’s going on in the atmospheric chemistry,
and his model, of course, using volcanism and sulphur dioxide,
as well as the human production of SO2 as one of the major
factors controlling the climate.
going to proceed with a Carbon Tax at the same time they’re
probably going to put in jeopardy... 100-million
souls are likely to die in the next year from starvation caused
by us not dealing with the financial problems, and if there’s
a financial seizure, in a sense, where the entire world economy
is happening both in U.S. ports and elsewhere. It’s
called the Baltic Dry Index, which means that goods are not
being shipped anywhere in the world. That means food, automobiles,
everything shutting down. It actually shut down 87% over its
the international flow of goods, usually by ship and rail,
around the world that are shipping from one country to another.
And it means that things aren’t being shipped.
instance, in Germany, they’re stacking up on
the docks. They don’t have any place to put automobiles
that are going to be shipped overseas. Goods in China – they’re
afraid of a deterioration in their whole society, so they continue
to have the factories going, making products to be shipped
overseas and they have no place to put them. So what we have
is a production of goods.
same time, we’re now entering into a fairly severe
climate shift that’s causing further dangers to world
food supplies at a time when the economy is imploding.
passage of the senate and congressional bill that was done
last week under the Obama administration, exactly opposite
of what Lyndon LaRouche recommended -- which I strongly recommend
that we follow Linden’s recommendations, except
for his pushing of nuclear plants as a solution.
We had a Dr. Ernest Sternglass on the show last week and I
agree with him that we need to use natural gas and convert
these nuclear power plants because they all release radioisotopes.
And we do have a time window with technologies coming on-line,
including nuclear fusion, solar and wind, and other energies,
that can help reduce the need.
real problem right now in the short term is that we’re
moving into – not a depression -- but an economic meltdown
and a complete conversion of the world economy. And I believe
that during this period of pain we’re under incredible
danger of making wrong decisions.
like the Israelis have elected a government that’s
extremely right-wing and will not give any quarter to the Palestinians,
and is very likely to want to attack Iran in the next six months.
This will also lead us to this peace treaty that we keep talking
about that is likely to happen where they partition the State
of Israel and will guarantee a future war with an indefensible
And the financial system is basically going to be tied to
a world tracking system so everything is inside their computer
Now, we’re going to deal with a long-standing depression
that is going to last for years and decades, something that’s
much more akin to a battlefield wound in the Civil War, where
the battlefield doctor amputates a limb after a cannonball
takes off part of someone’s leg. It’s going to
be extremely painful without anesthetic on the battlefield,
with cautery and saws, etcetera.
And that’s the thing that people need to grasp here,
is this is not like anything we’ve experienced before
either, in the Great Depression of the 1930s. It’s more
in keeping with the collapse of the Lombardy System in the
14th century that resulted in the Black Death.
But it’s even more than that, because what we’re
going to end up with out of it very quickly, is a whole new
world economy where everything’s in an electronic system,
that they have absolute control over every citizen on Earth,
including tracking and control.
And that’s where we’re going. And it’s
going to happen fairly rapidly with regionalized world currencies
and debt-restructuring of the planet.
The problem I see right now is that I hear a lot of disinformation
We still can control where this goes. We do not have to go
down the pathway that leads to the starvation of 100-million
people and puts at risk the dangers of laying the groundwork
for a pandemic. The Japanese company, Panasonic, is already
recalling their employees to Japan because they foresee in
the next few months a pandemic.
So what’s happening basically with the warning call-back
before the 7th, they’re going to, in a sense, “Icelandify” the
economies of the world. And the decisions that were made during
the first days of the Obama administration guarantees that
implosion’s going to happen sooner rather than later.
So I agree
with the experts, the financial experts like Gerald Celente.
We’re probably going to be dealing with a bank
holiday as early as, possibly, somewhere between March and
is very much what George Green says.
BD: Right. And that means a world-wide collapse and
it’s all tied... Part of this is tied because they
have an agenda and a timeline. And people need to know this,
that the timeline deals with galactic and solar issues.
We’re dealing with a time when we’re moving into
the energetic phase of the galactic plane, and they know the
Earth changes are going to occur. They’re getting ready
with their “golden tickets” to try to hide underground
when all these events start taking place, rather than preparing
the population, to be prepared for the Earth changes that are
going to occur to our planet.
it or not, the logic of destroying the world’s
economy, releasing a pandemic, or even starting a nuclear war
gives them an excuse to hide underground while the rest of
us are, in a sense, imploded with the financial meltdown
and the wars and pestilence.
in a sense, the events that are, inflaming rather
than solving the problem is a cover for them to hide
when the events strike our solar system and our planet.
BR: But there are some things which a lot of people,
including yourself and us, thought were going to happen around
the back-end of last year, and they haven’t actually
happened yet, as far as is visible anyway.
what’s happened... Actually, if
you talk with the financial experts – like we had Joan
Veon on today and again last week, and other experts like Harley
Schlanger from Executive Intelligence Review --
what they’re doing is, behind the scenes the Russians,
for example, just met over the last week or so with the EU
and Rothschild in London. The G7 just met.
have made all the deals to set up the regional world banking
structure and system, and it’s almost finished.
It’s not a matter of going to start. It’s
actually almost all completed.
And it’s very likely that once they have all of their
back-room agreements made, then they’ll declare the bank
holiday and declare this new currency standard.
I corroborated evidence that Hal Turner was correct: They’ve
delivered over 800 billion Amero notes to the Communist Chinese
already, in preparation for a whole new world currency system.
the scenes everything’s being done. Nothing
is overt in terms of the regular news. And they’re ready
to do the final stages here very shortly.
Bill, but can you tell us who your sources are on this?
BD: Sources? Some of them I can and some I can’t.
BD: In general I have financial experts that I’ve
interviewed. I have other sources that are classified. Nevertheless,
from what I hear, it agrees with the topics which we’ve
had recently on my program, plus my other independent researches
from other sources.
I’ve had contacts inside the government
that in the last 30 days we dismantled two nuclear devices
in two U.S. cities. One was New York City and another was another
U.S. city. I couldn’t get a final answer on it, but it
appears it may have been Los Angeles. That was from very high
up in the government, with very good contacts.
were two major false-flag events that just became averted
by our own government, and we have good people inside the
government that do not want to see the dissolution of America,
especially with the rising tide now...
20 states are putting 10th Amendments in. And tomorrow I’m
going to have one of those initial authors on the program,
Representative Charles Key of Oklahoma.
And they’re basically rebuking the federal government
that in America, because it’s a republic, it’s
based on an acceptance by the states to form a union called
the United States of America.
the government’s doing under the Obama administration
is to seize power and set up an imperial republic not unlike
what was set up with imperial Rome, where the Caesars seized
control over the provinces and the senators and created the
rule of the Caesars during the Roman era.
is exactly what Obama is doing under his administration,
is to set up a new imperial America that will make treaties
with world governments for regionalized currencies and a world
governmental control of finances, the military, and ecological,
along with a world tax like the World Carbon Tax, etcetera,
to fund the globalization that they’re doing.
KC: You’re seeing the states actually do these
things called the 10th Amendment, and you’re saying that... In
some sense, they’re actually seceding from the union,
is what the move is.
they’re basically doing a warning. It’s
almost like a warning before a divorce, like: If you continue
doing what you’re doing, drinking, beating me up and
drinking, or taking drugs and spending all our money and, you
know, doing all these things to our family -- in a sense
to America -- the states are saying to the federal
government, like a husband gone astray, they’re saying: We’re
going to have a divorce.
So basically the states are saying, with the 10th Amendment
announcements: Don’t try to pass in federal law,
when there isn’t a state of war, to have a National Service
which will include all young people 18-25 including not only
in the four branches of the military, but Homeland Security,
and indentured servitude to corporations that can be renewed
at the whim of the corporations or the government.
try to seize these powers over Health Care... like
the HIT system, which is the Health Information Technology,
to monitor doctors; and, in a sense, with the new policies
written by Daeschle, to actually have forced eugenics, which
is actually in an attachment of the bail-out bill.So they’ve
attached a lot of things that are bringing in imperial powers
to this new government.
KC: OK. But you’re saying the states’ 10th
Amendment is not going to be successful. Why not?
BD: Oh, I didn’t say that. I didn’t say
it wasn’t going to be successful. I’m saying that’s
the battle lines.
office of bringing these things together in a sense of information
and prophecy isn’t to tell people what’s
going to necessarily happen. It’s to give them the branch-points
we’re at a branch-point where we need to rise
up as states to get that requisite number of 38 states to actually
stand up and say: Federal government, don’t think
about passing these laws. Don’t think about doing a false
flag or a pandemic or a nuclear device in a U.S. city or dirty
bomb or any other kind of false flag event because we know
We’re aware now that you’re trying to seize
power and it’s not just power for the federal government,
it’s power to be handed off to George Soros, who’s
the, if you want to call it, the largest inventor of the
structured investment vehicles and the bubble economy and
also the leader of the, if you want to call it, the British-backed
illegal drug sales around the world.
we have now is a situation where the battle lines are finally
drawn. And they’re going to move very quickly,
so we’re at very high risk of a false flag in the next
six to nine months.
this move by the states is very good because it shows that
people are waking up spiritually and intellectually, that
this is not just a new administration that’s going to
bring change to resurrect the economy.
And we can see that this bail-out is not really a thing to
build the economy up. It is all pork and ear marks.It’s
designed to blow the economy, just like the reason for the
war and invasion in Iraq was to have a trillion dollar debt
to blow out the U.S. dollar. This is further gonna compound
And all these attachments, like the HIT or the Health Information
Technology, which is part of a eugenics policy to limit healthcare
to people that are elderly, if you can afford it. The government
and the doctors are going to be under an electronic medical
records regime of total monitoring of every keystroke.
The move of the states is a good thing, but they need to move
more quickly because the danger of a false flag in the next
three to six months is incredibly high. And a declaration of
martial law along with a bank holiday could be as early as
March or before the summer.
kind of false flag incident? Are you talking about an economic
BD: There are three different options that are available
on the menu right now, and they could be in parallel, or in
sequence, like 1-2-3, like being hit by a prize-fighter. The
most likely first false flag is an economic bank holiday coming
up as early as March; I’d say mid-to-late March is very
thing is an event that’s very likely a nuclear
event. If there’s any moves at all to make any attack
which would allow Israel to attack Iran, there will be two
types of events: Number one is nuclear, and the other is biological.
The counter-measures that Iran has right now in Syria is they
have sleepers in America and in other Western nations with
biological weapons ready to release.
The Avian flu is very, very likely to occur this year and
is almost certain to occur by next year. That means that the
Japanese move by Panasonic Corporation to pull back employees
to Japan with the coming pandemic is based on fact, not conjecture.
So we have
a number of events that we can avoid. We can dodge those
bullets. But we need to start realizing that they’re
massaging and getting ready to kind of war-game this.
Well, which of these events? Which sequence? I think that
the financial bank holiday is most likely first.
BR: We have a final question. It’s not really
a non-sequitur but it’s a little bit of a left-turn.
And this is, what’s happening to the world’s weather?
BD: The world’s weather: Basically, we’re
entering into the photon belt of the galaxy and the volcanism
under the Earth is about to change direction in the next few
years. And what’s happening right now is volcanoes all
over the world are injecting more water into the atmosphere.
We’re going to talk about that this week and we’re
also going to have one of our climatologist experts, Dr. Tim
Ball, on the program next week, and Dr. Peter Ward on his new
The world’s weather, basically, is going through massive
climate shift because of changes in the amount of sulphur dioxide
from volcanoes being injected into the atmosphere and water
vapor. There’s over two million volcanoes underneath,
this belt of volcanoes at the bottom of the oceans. It’s
43,000 miles long.
And these events are going to dramatically increase drought
in some areas and excessive rainfall in others, which means
So this year will be marked by the combination of the Baltic
Dry Index and the climate shifts, with a dramatic super-inflation
of prices for food, and starvation.
we’re not dealing with the financial issues,
the perfect storm of all these converging, we’re going
to put at risk the death of 100-million human beings caused
by us not appropriately approaching this problem.
there a risk of an Ice Age, or is it just going to be increased
instability of weather?
BD: Well, the Ice Age may come later. But if you actually
look at the time cycles, we’re in the 105,000-year time
cycle and a number of other cycles -- the 13,000-year time
cycle, etcetera. We’re all on the time cycles to go into
another Ice Age. And it won’t take a long period. It
won’t take decades or centuries. It will occur as early
as between one and three years.
BD: There’s evidence that we’re moving into
that and it’s primarily caused not by a drop in temperature
but by increased injection of sulphur dioxide and water vapor
from increased volcanism. And it occurs as we pass through
the galactic plane because it changes the magma flow under
So I believe
we are less than five to seven years to heading into an Ice
Age, a true Ice Age. At the same time, we’re
going to go through major Earth changes, including a pole shift.
And it won’t be just magnetic. We’ll actually see
a pole movement that’ll occur.
it’s estimated by our scientists that 500,000
years ago the North Pole was near North Bay, Ontario.
300-million years ago, if you actually look at the alignment,
the equator went through Alaska.
BD: So we’re going to go through some significant
changes. It may only be a so-many-degrees shift that occurs,
but we’re going to go through something.
globalists know this, which is why they’re driving
these policies that don’t even make financial sense,
don’t make military sense, and don’t make economic
should individuals do? Should they go hide, buy gold, and
get into a safe place? Should they leave America? Or should
they just sit and stand up for their rights, or what? What
should they be doing right now?
the first thing they need to do is pray, to get guidance
on that level. The second thing, I think they need to be
able to have food and other things stored because it’s
coming in spasms of events. It could be as simple as two
weeks of a bank holiday without food on the shelves. And
then it’ll quiet down, and then there’ll be
the next event.
we should also think of is, here in the West, we’re
more likely to survive if we have skill sets. But there’s
peoples in third-world countries where they have fragile food
supplies and they’re likely to starve to death if we
don’t help them.
that live in areas that are relatively able to weather through
this and have always just grown their own food and are subsistence... they’re quite likely to survive,
especially if they’re further away from the areas where
there’s going to be major Earth changes occurring.
in the big cities – if they don’t
have a route of escape, a plan to be outside, food stored and
other things, and self protection, because if there’s
a meltdown in society... Like, for example, in California
here, just like in Iceland, if there’s no money to pay
police, you don’t have policing.
BD: So if that happens we’re gonna have... And
the government officials know this, that if there’s a
meltdown in society, there will be more deaths actually caused
by civil disruption than the actual diseases or even the Earth
change events or super-storms.
A final question, a personal one: Are you planning to stay
in southern California?
BD: Yes. I’m supposed to be here for now and that’s
what I’m going to be doing. If I get another word, believe
me, you’ll know first! [Bill laughs] But I’m supposed
to be here for now.
in the, you could say, the tip of the spear, because I believe
that a lot of the battlefield is gonna start here because
in the western United States, new ideas tend to arise here.
And, of course, the whole world is looking to America.
now, a part of the battlefield is... I believe
that the moves by Obama is preparing for a counter-move just
like a snake moves against itself, and I see...
to the Obama administration makes me very concerned that
there may be a very dramatic move to the opposite side, toward
what I call the “Fourth Reich Nazification of
America,” with the increasing likelihood of the resurgence
of a new type of Republican Party led by someone like Mr. Arnold
Schwarzenegger in the next four years.
And I’m very concerned that the counter-moves to this
grab for power and this total Marxist-Leninist state that Obama’s
trying to set up is going to cause such a violent counter-reaction
-- we’re already seeing this in the states – that
America is very much like the Weimar Republic during the rise
of the Nazi regime.
And I think
that the parallel to what’s going on today
in America makes me very concerned that the counter-reaction
will be like a snake moving forward. And their goal will be
the rise of the Fourth Reich happening in America in the next
KC: Well, from our understanding... and we’ve
just talked to Jim Marrs and Peter Levenda and they’re
actually on point with all of that. They’re talking about
it actually having happened already. So we’re well on
that road, apparently.
BD: Yeah, I think we are. Some of those events, you’re
right, are already happened. Some are being played out. But
we see the players getting ready.
And I believe that they already have war-gamed out the agenda
to let Obama cause enough of a response by the states that
when they finally bring in the end-game that they want to really
set up, it will be a Nazi / Fascist state that will rise out
of the ashes of the Obama administration.
KC: Right. Problem – reaction – solution,
as David Icke would say.
KC: OK. Well, thank you very much for your update, Bill
Deagle. It’s very valuable to hear what you have to say
in terms of what might have happened back in October, some
of the eventualities that could have been rescued, in a sense,
by the “White Hats” that are in the government.
BD: Right. And we could still turn it. Again, it’s
not deterministic. The future is not frozen -- it’s a
BR: Exactly. We’ll be seeing David Icke in a few
days’ time. We’ll be very delighted to introduce
him to you.
good. Take care.
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