Interview transcript - Part 1
Dr. Bill Deagle - Prognosis for Planet Earth - Part 1
Vista, California, September 2008
Ryan (BR): You know what? I’d just like to
say I’m really, really glad to have met you personally.
Bill Deagle (BD): Yeah. Well, same here. [laughs]
is Project Camelot, and my name is Bill Ryan with my partner
Kerry Cassidy. And we’re book-ending
here right between us. We’ve got Dr. Bill Deagle, and
it’s a tremendous privilege to be with you.
you very much.
just joked to Dr. Bill just now that I’m
claiming the Guinness record for having listened to his
[December 2006] Granada
Forum Lecture all the way through
seven times, which I had to do because there’s so much
data in there.
And not only that, in a phone call just a few days ago, Dr.
Bill told us that he probably only presented about 10% of the
information which he had to offer. And one of the things which
we hope to do in the next couple of hours is to see whether
we can get on record as much of the remaining 90% as possible.
in particular, many of the people viewing this video now,
and the two of us, Kerry, and myself in particular, are really
interested and focused on what is going to be happening in
the immediate few weeks and months. And
I think one of the phrases that Bill used was “the
calm before the storm”.
What’s the storm?
the best way to think is the Emory War College. And if you
talk to people that work in the Marine-Army War College and
other places, what they do is, they war-game it out. They
have people that sit around big boardroom tables, and then
what they do is, they put it into simulation computers.
They use Simula PL/1 and other languages that were actually
developed for the military, and then they put it on their own
super-computers and then they run through a number of simulations.
So every war, every conflict, every national emergency, has
already been scenarioed out.
don’t realize just how much computing power has
been put into these things -- for everything from ET invasions,
to a tsunami hitting the west coast, to Cumbre Viejo [Ed.
Note: an island in the Canaries that could collapse and cause
a tsunami on the East coast of the US], to a civil disruption
because of an earthquake in the New Madrid fault in the Midwest.
So basically everything’s been simulated. There’s
a number of items.
I often try to do on my radio show, which is the Nutrimedical
Report; it’s on Genesis Network. And the
two websites, if you want to check it out, are nutrimedical.com,
where I have a lot of the anti-aging, life extension, civil
defense, and other information.
other website is clayandiron.com. The network is Genesis
Network. It’s out of St. Paul, Minnesota. And their
website for getting podcasts, streaming and on-demand, which
replays the shows, is gcnlive.com.
try to do on my show is... I realize that one
of the things about having a regular radio show is you can
bring in all of these experts and guests, but there are several
ways of approaching it. My approach has been to try... if
they listen to enough shows, that people will start to see
a montage of images that’ll change their paradigm.
you can’t change people by necessarily beating
them over the head with the facts if they emotionally aren’t
ready for that.
BD: And you also have to change their paradigm by what
I call the “little grades” that happen as they
listen to more and more people, and they are willing to accept
one message from one type of person, or one way of doing it,
or a little humor, or some music.
BD: And eventually they get to the point where they’re
able to then accept the intellectual truths, the spiritual
truths, and so on.
key things that I try to teach on my show are: The first
thing is that people don’t know what they are.
People really don’t know what kind of a being they
are, and because of that -- which is in many cases kept purposely
away from them – they’re manipulated. For example,
if you didn’t know you were a bird, you’d obviously
not try to fly. Right?
BD: The other thing I try to teach them is that everything
that they have learned in the past has been predigested and
presented to them so they really don’t understand the
nature of the universe they live in. They don’t even
know what “reality” is.
BR: Yeah. And all this is one of the parameters in the
model, presumably, that people are interacting with this “stage
a very limited amount of information at their disposal with
which to react, to make appropriate judgments.
BD: Right. So what I try to do is, I try to stretch
them beyond that. One of the things that I try to do is... There’s
no such thing as a “sacred cow,” whether it’s
a political view, a religious view, a scientific view. It has
to be, you know, “trust but verify”. You know,
Ronald Reagan, before he had too many aspartame jelly beans.
idea is that eventually you’ll get enough evidence
and enough logical things that... You have what I call “the
two witnesses”. It has to not assault your intellect
(the information), and it also has to ring with your spirit.
But, you know, a lot of people watching this now have already
done that homework...
BR: ...either by listening to your shows or listening
to ours, because we’ve been operating in essentially
the same way.
BR: And there’s also... Would you agree that
there’s not a lot of time now?
BD: No, there’s not a lot of time. And there’s
a number of what I call “spasms of events” that’re
going to happen. And to just give you the timeline of where
things are going rather than giving you specific dates...
The first thing is that people need to understand, whether
we elect McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden, or the Green Party with
McKinney, the events are already in motion to create a regional
and world economic catastrophe and then to create regional
and world banks.
BR: So they’ve already got the script for the
movie, but they haven’t got the cast yet.
BD: Right. They’ve gone to central casting, and
whoever the players are, they’re in a sense going to
be like riders on the wave of this.
BR: OK. So what’s
the script? [laughs]
BD: Well, the script basically is that... And
I’ll back up a little bit, so that...
And also a few minutes ago you mentioned modeling. It would
be great to tie this back into the modeling scenario that
BD: Right. They’ve done lots of modeling. In fact
they have one of the most advanced programs at the University
of California in San Francisco. And they’re tied directly
into the National Reconnaissance Office.
This, by the way, I do regularly on my show -- release classified
information. And there they have all this access to the Cray
5s and Cray 4 super-computer arrays, and so they will do simulations.
(KC): And that’s located in Denver,
BD: Well, that’s where the main node is. It’s
actually Shriver Air Force Base. But they also have their systems
elsewhere. And people need to know that the world that they
believe in is a fairytale that never existed. Right?
BD: So anyway, this is at university level. They have
a social modeling super-computer program. And what they do
is, they try different perturbations. They’ll try a little
thing, put a balloon up, put a media event. And they’re
able to model that based on getting information back.
They’re able to do specific searches, which are called “architectural
searches,” not all that different from the Half
Past Human or the Princeton University kind of “eggs” thing.
They’re actually mining the Internet; they’re
mining phone conversations. They’re mining data from
peoples’ cable boxes, which they’ve cut two ways
so they can know what they’re watching. And they have
what’s called “data architecture” software
that can actually analyze it.
BD:. . . .ah, that’s a possibility, that
they can do that. But the most important is they just know
what they’re viewing. And if they know what they’re
viewing, what the box is turned on to, they can actually put
this back into their data. And they can then say, based on
area code distribution, demographics, etc...
people need to know that every phone conversation always
was monitored. Every fax always was monitored. And they have
2003 they launched what’s called the AI system,
which is an intelligent super-computer with the Intelligence
of a human being -- in other words, a smart human being but
able to think 10 trillion times faster, with the access to
all known knowledge and history and a complete access to the
Internet and all the communications pathways. So...
KC: With that in mind, the modeling they are making... Their
plan, their agenda, is going to be played out as what? The
biggest surprise they can think of?
no. What they are do is build a cybernetic copy of the Earth.
BD: They can actually do models with that and try to
do what’s called “timeline pathway analysis”.
But how do they choose? Do you know that?
entire virtual world, with virtual people.
BD: In a virtual world. I actually took care of employees
working on what’s called the Sentient World Project in
KC: Yes. But I still don’t understand, you know,
how they’re choosing their scenario. In other words,
we know that the financial collapse...
they can try a scenario and they can actually try it in the
cyber-world and then they can see the response based on...
But have you gotten feedback from say, secret deep black
projects, saying, you know, they have chosen this scenario?
some things. Some things. Yeah.
us some clues, Bill.
BD: Well, I’ll give you an example. One of the
first things is, by doing this modeling, it means that they
don’t do it in just a kind of... In other words,
they’re not just trying it on the public. They try a
they had the Countrywide financial collapse earlier this
year, and then they had the collapse of Lehman Brothers.
And they try each thing. And they try to see what kind of
response they’re getting from the public. And they
feed that back into the model.
I took care of the people that were working on the Sentient
World Project, they actually created a cybernetic model of
the Earth. It’s an actual physical model in
hyperspace that is down to a tolerance of about a centimeter-and-a-half.
All the roadways, buildings, everything, people. Everybody
inside that model are actually considered, called, nodes.
That’s their actual term they use for it.
BD: Besides doing the simulator computer modeling, they’re
using other technologies. Some of them are quite alien, if
you want to call it.
can believe it.
BD: And they’re using these technologies so they
can actually analyze timeline pathways. Because what they’re
trying to do is...
KC: So we’re
talking about Looking-Glass, then?
BD: Yeah. Exactly. And, of course, a lot of the people
don’t understand that most of these are actually based
on what’s called torsional vortex imaging, which
is hyperdimensional imaging.
BD: And torsional vortex imaging we’ve
had since the 1950s, reverse-engineered.
vortex imaging was the top project of HAARP. It was not the
bottom project; it was the top project.
torsional vortex imaging allows them to look through the
Earth to see all the resources. So the primary thing was
to drop a thermal-magnetic mirror with aluminum and barium
is the chemtrail project?
BD: Yeah. But it’s really high, 73- to 80-thousand
feet. You won’t see these.
when the particles are put up there, they last two to three
years in space because they layer out and they get locked
into that layer at the upper troposphere. OK?
BD: And it acts as a mirror for what’s
called torsional vortex imaging. So they can throw a pulse
and see an echo that comes back and they can image it.
got it. Yep.
they can see oil resources, gold, minerals, titanium, whatever
they need, and they can also see through the Earth and see
underground bases, cities, facilities. So, for example, when
BR: Some of this stuff that isn’t
BD: Right. Yeah. And they can also see stuff that’s
not ours. Exactly. They see giant caves and cavern systems
that go hundreds of miles through the Midwest.
they can also see things like military bases, like the Chinese
nuclear and military munitions base that was struck with
a tectonic weapon in Sichuan, west China. That was a specific
use of tectonic technology. Right?
we have our version of it. And the Russians have a new system
called a super-capacitor technology, so they were able to
make these very, very powerful capacitors that can generate
similar things to our HAARP technology. Right?
KC: OK. But where are they going with this? That’s
actually what we...
BD: Yeah. Well, where they’re going with all this... Just
to give you an idea: The first thing is, you have to look at
the menu of what they have. And they try various items, try
to perturbate on new computer modeling.
they decide whether they’re going to proceed
now or in the near future. Like, a lot of people say: Well, why
hasn’t there been another 9/11?
BD: Right? Another... like blowing up cities or
doing other things? Because for years they’ve been doing
war-game simulations of a 10-kiloton nuke in a number of cities.
this year it was in Portland Harbor, and last year it was
in Charleston Harbor, where they actually did a simulation
And it was not just the U.S. It was the U.S., British, and
Canadians, where they were doing a joint war-games simulation
of this, and trying to see the civil defense, and the radiation
plume, and the movement of the public and, you know, how to
handle the bodies, and all this kind of stuff.
doing all of that. They do this on multiple levels and they
feed the data back into their super-computers to decide what
will work best.
the things that we did... Back in the late 90s,
I was a doctor for Rocky Mountain Occupational Medicine, and
we got the contract for the Hazmat teams in Colorado, for the
FBI and the Centers for Disease Control to do a war-game simulation
called Operation Top Off and Operation Dark Winter.
a simulation at the Performing Arts Center, on a “simulated
release”, not a real release, of pneumonic plague. And
we wanted to look at the kill ratio, in terms of how quickly
the system could be activated -- the EMS system -- to be able
to get people and treat them and triage them and whatever.
did a similar one down on 17th Avenue, downtown Denver, in
a second-floor window of an apartment. And we even set up
a sprayer to spray out the window, with a little compressed
air, a little vapor stream, which was supposedly anthrax. So,
it would be a weaponized anthrax stream that would actually
spray out that second-floor window. And that anthrax stream
then have people go... We had the Hazmat officers
and Special Forces, and they would go to various hospitals,
like St. Joe’s, Presbyterian, St. Lukes, etcetera. And
we tried to see, with recording all these data intake sheets,
whether or not, Number One, emergency departments would activate
CDC, get the proper specimens, get the people treated in a
timely fashion so they wouldn’t die.
We killed everybody.
did you kill everybody, though?
BD: We killed everybody because the system was too inadequate.
The Emergency department doctors, the infectious disease, the
activation of the system... The tracking back to the source
of the spray would have been too long.
So if there
was a lethal weaponized anthrax -- it only needs, let’s say, 80 spores to cause a lethal infection rather
than 80,000 to 100,000 – that we figured out from the
dispersal at that level on the canyon of, say, 17th Avenue,
would have killed at least 4- to 5-thousand people that were,
during the middle of the day, would have been exposed.
BD: Now, the reason why I bring up that model is that
they’re doing this all the time with their cybernetics
models, because they’re trying to steer society along
have various forces. All the people in this – you
hear the word “New World Order” -- they’re
not in agreement. And there are various levels. And most of ’em
think that they’re at the top of whatever level they’re
at, and they’re really at the bottom of another level.
Even the people at the top that are human. Because
the New World Order is not being run by humans.
BD: And you need to grasp this. The analogy I use on
my show is... In their training in England, as part of
a power game, they’d bring you to their gardens. And
their gardener would kind of make a little maze. And then you’d
go through the little maze and thought you were quite
clever because you’d get out in a matter of moments.
what they’d do is, they’d take you to
the big maze, which was done by a very clever gardener.
And the only way you could get out was if you were talked out.
BD: OK. If you weren’t talked out, you wouldn’t
make it out of the maze, and you’d be stuck there the
entire afternoon and wouldn’t have tea or anything. Right?
the thing was to humiliate you to realize there was no way
you could get out of the big maze unless you changed your
paradigm of how to get out of the maze. Right?
BD: And what they’re doing basically is, they’re... In
a sense they’re “sheep dipping” the entire
society to kind of buy into the lies of what’s going
on. People don’t know what kind of... You know,
even modern history has completely been rewritten. Everything...
there is some waking up going on, which you need to also
also being factored in.
BD: Sure it is. And that’s why there’s been
quite a delay. In fact, if you look at the published documents,
like Global 2000, about population reduction; if you look at
the planned release of things like avian flu; if you look at
the planning on blowing up cities with dirty bombs or micro-nukes,
or doing other things, they’re way behind schedule.
BR: This also means that they’ve also programmed
in the Nutrimedical
Report and the Project Camelot interviews.
And they’re taking all of that into account and then
recalculating everything. Right?
BD: Ah, well they are. But the problem is that there’s
a number of wild cards that they're not in control of.
lots of wild cards.
first one is the human one. Human beings are a polydimensional
being that far transcends what people usually think of as
give you kind of... To back up in terms of a
little physics: Our plane of existence, the energetic plane,
has five dimensions, not four. OK?
BD: Then the spiritual plane has seven dimensions. Some
people call that astral. And then there is the 13th, which
is the eternal. OK? And everything are harmonics of that. That’s
why... The very nature of the existence itself is literally
the passage of spirit through energetic planes that creates
buy all of that. And what we are here, what I see in my field
of vision, is the tiny tip of a huge iceberg.
And the iceberg is a beautiful, fantastic wonderful eternal
BD: Right. Exactly. In other words, this moment that’s
existing right now as we are taping, has always existed.
BR: Yeah. I’ll
KC: Absolutely. Time is circular. But Bill, what I wanted
to know is, what are you saying they are going to do with this?
Because obviously if they’re behind schedule... And
here we are, at the end of September, and we’ve got the
American economy going in the tank.
KC: And so what’s
the next step?
BD: Well, here you’ve got to think about what
their goal is. It’s almost like a mouse that reaches
certain barriers, a smart mouse. You put certain barriers down,
but a mouse can still smell the cheese. It’ll get around
that barrier and it’ll figure out how to do it. And if
it’s a very intuitive mouse, it can see beyond the barrier
to where the pathway is to get to the cheese. And if it’s
got lots of access, then it’s going to do that. Right?
BD: So what I see is this. Their goal is to have a world
bank. Their goal is to have regionalized currency zones. They
published it. In fact, one of the things that you have to understand
-- which is really bizarre but also true -- is that part the “religion,” if
you want to call it, or the dogma, of the globalists is to
prove that they are a super class, or the predator class, who
have the right to make these decisions.
they have to publish it, and the profane don’t
understand it. But it’s plainly published. Like for example
in September of 1973, the Council on Foreign Relations...
all in plain sight.
all in plain sight.
the Iron Mountain Report, for example.
BD: Yeah. Or the 1974 document that talked about the
greatest danger to the world is population growth. Or the Global
2001. . .
BD: Exactly. It’s
all in plain sight. And the problem is that people will look
at it and say: Well, it
can’t be true because it’s in plain sight.
almost like, if you want to say: It’s
a battleship. And they say: Well, it’s painted
pink. It can’t be a battleship. It’s got plants
coming out of all the turrets. [Bill laughs] Even though
it is a battleship and it’s in the front yard. [more
aliens, though, are running the show, in your opinion?
BD: Well, I’m going to get to that because I’m
going to give you a little different spin. What we have to
do is use a lot of discernment. There’s basically two
perspectives in the universe -- and this is whether you’re
human or nonhuman.
are or any other “sentient” being in the
universe is a spirit-being that’s transcending through
an energy matrix, creating a reality. OK? In other words, we
are co-creators of our own timeline and future.
if you look at people like Michio Kaku and advanced physicists
and so on, they talk about the universe in terms of energy.
You know, like a Zero Energy culture, and the Level One energy
culture, a culture that is able to leap across the galaxy
and is bound by time and space.
But you can also use those similar principles for, you know
-- similar kinds of characteristics -- for dealing with what
I call the spirituality of a sentient civilization. Right?
you need to use both the energy thing and they are tied together.
BD: Because there’s lot of suppression of the
technology that we already have, because spiritually we are
very... what I call a Zero Order culture.
BD: We’re still in the playpen or the crib of
civilization and we’ve been actually quarantined for
3 shars, which is Zecharia Sitchen’s “passages
through the galactic plane of fire,” it’s called.
perspectives tie in with either being in touch with that
Higher Self, which is the “I AM,” the one
that says Let there be light, the spirit that’s
great spiritual leaders that spoke truth that they knew in
their heart -- whether it was Buddha or Zoroaster or whatever
-- all of these great leaders have spoken something. And
many times it’s been converted, or perverted, or
themselves didn’t have the whole truth, they
just had portions of it, so then it became a “religion.” Now, religion is
a substitute for relationship.
BD: And I call it “real lies going on”.
And it doesn’t matter if you’re talking about Buddhism,
Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Atheism.
All the “isms” in the world fall into two categories:
Either you hear the Voice of the spirit that created you and
created all that exists, the continuum -- because without a
single voice there is no universe -- one “I” voice,
I call it. There is no one “I” voice.
it’s either your will – the
will of, in other words, deciding for yourself what is good
or evil -- or hearing the Voice. In other words, you don’t
need to tell people what’s right or wrong. If they’re
in contact with their higher self and with the Creator that
created them, they know what’s right or wrong.
BR: OK. Now, just bring that back to where you were
when you were talking about the wild card factors of who people
really are -- this is my paraphrase of what you were saying
-- and how there are certain things that can’t be programmed
into their super-computer, because, actually, you’re
talking about actual human beings that are eternal and magical.
BD: Exactly. And you see that point ties in with the
factions, if you want to call it. You know, you can go to all
kinds of different religious books, whether it’s the
Hopi Indians or the Christian Bible or many other books, and
they’ll tell you that there’s been visitations
to Earth over all of the ages.
BR: OK. Now...
BD: And the way it ties into this is that some of these
visitors have specific characteristics that are very common.
For example, Naga, in the area of Oceania. Right? Which are,
you know, the serpent people or the feathered serpent god,
or whatever. What you’ll find... Or the Dagon,
which is, you know, the amphibian beings that come from a world.
And therefore, even the hat, for example, that’s on the
Pope, is actually called “the sign of Dagon”, which
is a fish-god or Oannes...
KC: OK. Right. But . . .
is always in the background, in other words.
now there will be people watching this who say: I know
I’m eternal and magical, and I’m
really interested in what you’re saying. So what can
I do? How can I be? What action can I take to capitalize on
my wild card so they may not be able to predict what I’m
going to do next?
BD: Yeah, what I’m trying to get at... You
know, I hear lots of different reports, that people say: I’ve
been in touch with the Pleiadians or Andromedans, or I’m
in touch with this group or that group. But people need
to use extreme, extreme discernment.
BD: And the way I think about it is this. Say, you know,
if you went to a new city. Let’s say you were from South
Africa and you came to New York City, and you didn’t
know where to go, but you went to the wrong part of the city.
You might not come back out alive. OK?
BD: And a similar thing... You
have to think of the universe that way, too.
very good places in the universe, and very bad.
BD: OK? Just think of it this way. Any being that’s
capable of leaping across space/time and arriving in our world,
you have to assume that their intelligence is limitlessly greater
than ours. And therefore anything that they communicate to
us could either be very true or very, very maliciously manipulated
to control us, almost like a pack.
BD: In other words, we would be treated like an ant,
or cockroach or like my pet dogs. They would have no way of
even understanding what we’re talking about, so it would
be almost sport. Right?
KC: Except that, if they’re that intelligent,
they also realize that we’re grand spiritual beings in
our own right and therefore they’re actually dealing
with something that’s much more massive than just our
BD: Exactly, exactly. Here’s the point, though.
You’ve got two perspectives out there. You’ve got
one group -- we’ll call them, just for the sake of it,
you know, like David Icke. He was speaking at the UFO Conference
up in San Francisco. He calls them the Reptilians. OK? Or you
might call them the serpents, like it talks about in the Bible.
fact, you’ve got to understand that when you
look at the Bible at things that are a description to people
that were shepherds and artisans 2- to 3-thousand years ago.
Right? Or you look at other ancient books... And what
they’re really trying to describe here is something that’s
actually quite similar to what’s happening today.
say we have one group that says: We are
a predatory super-nation of super-scientists that don’t
have any spirit, but we invade and take over worlds.
BD: We can invade the mind-space dimension. We can
attack on the physical level. We can put policies in place
to cut off the connection between their physical body and
their spiritual body -- through things like fluoridation
and genetically modified food or electromagnetic pollution.
are you suggesting that it is the Reptilians that are involved
with the current Illuminati?
BD: Well... Yeah,
type of agenda?
BD: Of course. Yeah. It’s just no different than
what the Bible has been saying all along, -- the serpentine.
KC: Right. So I want to sort of base it here in the
here-and-now a little bit so we can understand what you’re
BD: Right. A lot of times, though, they misjudge it.
Because for example, when... David’s done a lot
of really good work. But one of the times... If you don’t
know what you’re seeing because you’ve never seen
anything like it before...
did is, he took a thing called ayahuasca, which is an analog
of dimethyltriptamine. And ayahuasca and dimethyltriptamine
opens up what’s called, you know, the spirit eye. People
call it the third eye, the astral eye, or whatever.
it is, we’re all born as children with
this ability to see in the spirit realm. And that’s why
children see their little friends, and see other things, and
see good and bad. And they have a thing called pavor nocturnus, or
night terrors, because they can see in the spirit realm things
that aren’t pleasant. They’re very nasty. Right?
BD: They’re not just making it up in their little
minds because they’ve got hormone surges. They’re
actually having a problem. So the reason why I seem to be a
little circuitous here is that people misinterpret the signals.
after David went and took ayahuasca down in South America,
and he got into this altered state, he started seeing what
he misinterpreted as shape-shifting. Shape-shifting doesn’t
BR: Well, he hadn’t
seen it so much himself, as he was taking reports from Arizona
Wilder and others.
BR: And others, and taking those at literal face value.
That’s my understanding. And I have no criticism of him
BD: No, no. I’m
very interested in your take on this.
BD: Well, OK. Here’s the important part of it.
It’s not to criticize him because I think what he’s
doing, he’s seeing in the spiritual realm what’s
BD: And when there’s an intensity of that reality,
it breaks through, for people even that don’t have any,
you know, regular sensitivity. So for example, you know, I’ve
talked to people who have been in the presence of Hillary Rodham
BD: And Hillary Clinton has a presence of a demonic
entity, if you want to call it that, a transdimensional Reptilian
entity that’s so powerful... It’s one of the
most negative feelings I’ve ever had. OK?
BR: Mm hm. And you’ve
been in her physical presence yourself?
yeah. I was one of the doctors who took care of the Englewood
Fire Department and the first kid who was shot in Columbine,
Mark Taylor, and we spent about, probably an hour or so,
at the Dakota Ridge High School.
And... Because I do see into the spiritual realm. OK?
And that happens many times after people have had near death
experiences. I died at birth and again at 8-½. And because
of that, there’s a massive release of DMT. And when that
happens, it changes your brain structure and the very nature
of how you perceive things. If it happens when you’re
really young, it does it at a time when you can understand
and interpret things. If it happens when you’re older,
you can misinterpret things.
you follow me?
BD: Which is the reason why when you go to any religious
group you’ll find that it’s always children that
are exposed to things like this so that they can understand
them better. Otherwise, you know, you can be creeped out if
all of a sudden and start seeing things and you say: Well
look, I’ve lost my mind. I’m not rational anymore.
KC: OK. But you’re saying, in terms of Hillary,
you’re actually describing what you consider to be a
demonic entity as opposed to a Reptilian. Is that what you’re
BD: Oh, it’s a Reptilian all right. When you see
it, you’re not seeing a 5-foot-whatever female. You’re
seeing a giant Reptilian entity that’s in a different
KC: Exactly. But because it’s a Reptilian entity
doesn’t necessarily make it demonic.
BD: Ah, well, let’s
put it this way...
still an ET from a different dimension.
this was evil. This is evil, yeah. This is evil.
need to understand is that there’s a vast universe
out there. Just listen to a lot of the scientists -- and everybody
that’s probably listening to this will understand. If
you just... They’re looking for bacteria on Mars.
And they’re looking for other evidence that there’s
even simple life forms on Titan and other planets, and planetoids,
and so on.
is, if you just take the minimum number of factors, there’s
100-billion stars just in this galaxy,
and there’s a 100-billion-billion galaxies.
And that’s in this so-called known cosmos, in this known
cosmos, which in a sense is probably an elemental particle
in a yet larger universe. Right?
KC: Well, I’m
still back where you were saying that David Icke was wrong
wrong because I think...
KC: Wrong because he was seeing reptilians and you were
saying they don’t shape-shift?
BD: Yeah. Well, things have to also match science, too,
because if you have a shape-shift from a smaller individual
to a physical presence, that is, you know, a giant Reptilian,
or whatever, you’re going to actually have... The
thermodynamic laws will cause spontaneous combustion. It just
you have to do is... Unless there are changes
in the laws of physics, which isn’t going to occur, then
you have... What you’re seeing is something that’s
completely, you know... doesn’t occur.
you can see, though, is, your perception
is changing and you’re able to see into different dimensions
BD: Yeah, that’s
an ability to...
KC: So they aren’t changing. Your vision is changing.
Your ability to see is changing when you’re looking at
BD: Yeah... Yeah. Now, a lot of the time people
have to use these kind of things. Now the biggest problem I
am worried about is that, when there’s a lack of discernment,
there gets to be a mixed message. And so many messages have
a lot of noise in them that people won’t get a clear
understanding of either the opportunities or the dangers of
what’s going on.
BD: And so you’ll have people, for example, like
Arizona Wilder and others, that say they’ve seen these
things happen right in the middle of ceremonies or whatever.
And what they don’t understand is that the intensity
is so great, they’re actually seeing into the spirit
realm that’s happening in a parallel universe.
BR: Right. It’s their perception that’s
being altered, not the physical reality.
not physical reality. Yeah.
KC: We’re tapping into that. But at the same time,
let’s talk about how does that impact the Illuminati
agenda? Because we’ve got a lot of Reptilians who’re
influencing that agenda.
let me explain what happens. If you look at all the secret
societies down through history -- not just in our current
history in the last 6,000 years, but basically pretty well
all of human history, going back to previous civilizations
that have risen and fallen -- there has been this, if you want
to call it, dark alliance. OK?
dark alliance has been, basically, with higher orders of
these secret orders that it’s passed down through.
In the most recent past, going back the last 6,000 years, it
was the ancient Sumerians and the Egyptians.
All the highest rulers of those civilizations would put their
children through sex-magic rituals, human sacrifice, and other
things, so they would create, if you want to call it, an astral
gate in their mind, so they could attach these transdimensional
entities to them, almost like the sucker-fish on the shark.
OK? And you could not advance within any of these higher orders
unless you went through these ceremonies. So...
talks about this, actually, and so does Leo Zagami.
BD: Right. So what happens is, for example... If
you’re going to get to these higher orders within the
Illuminati you actually have to go through these rituals in
order for you and your...
power is for your ancestors to actually “curse
you” to be attached by these things, to gain more physical,
psychic, emotional and intellectual powers. So then, therefore,
you can become a “hu-man” -- which, in Welsh, is serpent
you look at the Magna Carta, it was written not for the “mansters” --
which is the word manster,
which converted to monster -- it was for serpent-man or
the Royals, those who had gone through the ceremonies, who
were “hu-mans” which means serpent-men, and had
the transdimensionals literally attached to them almost like
a parasite, a psychic parasite, to create a “hu-man” which
is a new, if you want to call it, hybrid.
iron. In other words, you have the iron of the serpentine
transdimensional beings with their higher science and abilities
and so on, literally attached to the “man” to create
KC: OK. So basically you’ve got Illuminati with
this proclivity, whatever you want to call it. And then what
happens? Because that’s where we are now with society.
These people have been leading the way -- if you want to call
it “leading” -- down a dark corridor, so to speak.
BD: They consider themselves... You see, one of
the problems is a matter of perception. If you feel in your
own twisted way... You’re deciding what is right
or wrong, and you feel you have the right to decide, and you’re
the keeper of civilization.
if you look at the tunic on the Teutonic Knights. Right?
You’ll see these strange swinging arms in a form
of a cross. That’s not a Christian cross. That cross
was long before Jesus Christ, long before there was the first
Jew, long before Egypt and Sumeria. It goes way back to Atlantis
KC: OK. You’re
talking about the swastika as well. Right?
BD: The swastika is a little different symbol, but that
cross actually is a symbol called “As above/ below”.
OK? So what you’re doing is, you’re looking at
the swinging arms of a galaxy, above and below the equinoxes.
That’s what you’re seeing there. OK?
KC: So here we are at this juncture. We’re
actually moving into the galactic center.
BR: But, but. . .
BD: Right. So we’re moving not only through the
plane, but at an equinox. So we have the passage through the
plane. And an equinox has very important effects, not just
on the physical plane, because we’re entering an energy
belt which affects the DNA. It affects lifeforms, communications
and everything. But it also affects the spiritual aspects of
the creatures on the planet. But it also opens up gates.
BR: Bring this back now to the problems of discernment,
to the wild card factors that have got to do with the eternal
magical creatures that we are, and how this can’t be
modeled in the super-computer.
And then again, what they do think they are trying -- or what you do
think they are trying to do with us over the next few weeks
and months. Is there a way to align this information in a way
that it’s practically meaningful to people out there,
who actually, as we speak, are thinking: What do I do with
my job, my family, my money, my occupation?
I want to get to that, too.
are practical problems to solve here.
BD: Yeah. The first thing I think, number one, is they
have to discern... Number one: Am I involved with a religion, “real
lies going on”, or am I involved with spirituality?
And I’m not necessarily going to put a label on it or
tell ’em which one.
BD: What I try to tell ’em is that... For
example, I’m a believer, but if I go to a church I’m
going to cause trouble, because I know things that they can’t
know, won’t know, that are going to show that a lot of
things that they’re teaching are patently lies. OK?
BD: And, unfortunately it isn’t just one group
or another. I’m closest allied to, if you want to call
it, I’m like a cosmic messianic believer. And I don’t
even like to use the word Christian, because it was
actually a blasphemy against Christians and their little anointed
BR: Yeah. That term’s
already been hijacked long ago.
BD: Right. It was hijacked. Now, here’s the point.
If you actually understand the split in the so-called eastern
and western church, you understand the reason why there’s
such a determination to not only hijack Judiasm, and Christianity
and Islam, and why this is all kind of leading us toward what’s
called this final conflict of Armageddon. It’s been stage-managed
at a higher level. Right?
BD: It’s all staged-managed. And the problem is,
people don’t understand they’re being manipulated,
even though their every step is being manipulated. Oh yeah,
we’ve got to get Al-Quaeda. Well, you know, who
created Al-Quaeda? When you start showing that these things
were totally manufactured. And Al-Quaeda means “the
BD: But when you show evidence that the World Trade
Center towers were demolished with advanced explosives, including,
you know, micro-nukes, and thermite; or you start to demonstrate
that the financial line -- like John Boncore, who’s a
Mohawk, who actually speaks prophetically. He was on the show
I want people to do is, first off, don’t accept
something unless it’s intellectually correct, at whatever
level they are at, and unless they go back quietly and pray
and try to hear the Voice of the Creator God.
BD: Because the problem right now is that there’s
so much noise, it’s discernment to keep them in “babble-on” or
BD: ...so they won’t be able to discern or
they’ll just dismiss it. And they’ll say: Look,
you people that talk about UFOs are nuts. OK? If somebody
had told me this years ago, I’d say: You’re
crazy, there’s no way.
know, going through medical school training, surgery, whatever,
I’d say there’s no way that that could
be true. Because my mind is now focused. I’m going to
be a doctor; I’m going to help people; I’m going
to do this and that.
I’m getting access to the totality of human knowledge
and science, and I’m going to... At some future
date we’re going to be able to help cure people of disease
and so on -- not knowing that only 4% of information is accessed
to even the university Ph.D. tenured professorial level, at
the top levels in the world, and the other 96% is by invitation
BD: Right? Or that society. . . And when you’ve
been invited to enter those realms, then you start
to realize, like: My gosh! Your whole world is shattered.
Right? And that’s what’s disturbing about this,
and I’m trying to get the message to the people.
The hardest is to argue with people. I remember having an
argument a year and a half ago with Professor Steven Jones,
who felt that thermate could have brought down the World Trade
course, until they’ve had a background in quantum
physics and nuclear physics -- I was supposed to go to MIT
and I went into honors biochemistry -- I asked him a series
of questions that he couldn’t answer on a scientific
ground. But he wanted to cling to his a priori idea
Even though there is probably evidence it was thermate, there
had to be nuclear explosions. There could have not been directed
energy weapons. And I tried to explain to him. Because I was
a doctor for US Space Command and Strategic Defense, Star Wars.
And I said: I’ve talked to the engineers at very high
levels, and I know exactly what’s capable and what we
You have a really interesting background. OK?
a lot of people say: Well, you’re
working for them.
BD: Yeah. I know they’ll say that, but what people
need to do is, they... Ultimately, they need to do is
an intellectual analysis and they need to pray. They need to
trust their gut, in other words, their spiritual gut.
how did you get out of it? Because in a sense you did work
for them. Right? You were their doctor.
BD: Well, I was their doctor. But here’s what
happened. People are so compartmentalized. To give you an example:
Initially I talked to someone working at, say Falcon. And they
had a little badge that would allow them to go into one hallway,
and down one pathway, into one room with a security card. And
they’d face-scan them with a retinal scan, and fingerprint
scan them, and boom, they go in their room. And they’d
spend so many hours there and they’d walk down the same
pathway. And they were monitored all the way.
KC: They had to follow lines. Isn’t
BD: They had to follow certain lines on the floor, and
if they don’t, they’re immediately apprehended.
And it’s not pleasant. OK? So they’re very highly
can talk to your doctor. Now, these guys really loved being
able to talk to me because what I would do is, I would talk
to all the different people. And because I have this advanced
technical training, which they never assumed I did -- like
you know, artificial intelligence, super-computers, electronics,
quantum physics, and other things --I’d talk to them
about their project.
while they were more interested in hearing what I had to
tell them about what everybody else was doing and projects
that they didn’t know anything about. So as
time went on I gained more and more knowledge.
And it continued training you what questions to ask and you
knew how to listen.
BD: Right. They wanted to talk because they couldn’t
tell their wives. They weren’t allowed to tell anybody,
their son, their wife, their children, anybody, or their next
KC: So you get this aggregate of information. And on
top of it, you’ve had these life-death experiences.
BD: Right. And some, what I’d
call supernatural, and some other types of experiences that
all fit together.
KC: OK. You’re putting all of this together and
then you eventually create this radio show. Right? And you’re
interviewing witnesses and so on. But where are you at now,
as we take this whole package? And you’ve got something
to say here because you called us and. . .
I find this very interesting.
actually, I was told to call you.
were told to call us.
was told to call you.
your direct contact above?
If you want to call it that. I have the direct phone line.
KC: You’re not the only one that’s
been told that way to call us.
BD: Yeah, yeah, I was told to call you and that it was
time to call you, not an hour from now, but right now. And
I did. OK? So that’s, you know, interesting. And things
always happen like that to me, you know.
BD: If I told you all the stories you could fill books,
you’d have stacks of tapes of amazing stories.
say: That can’t happen; and
that can’t happen. But it has.
want to bring it back to: what are they modeling?
what about these guys with their children and their money?
Yeah. OK. Fine.
BD: Well, yeah. And I’m going to get to that.
So basically I want people to discern, to use discernment,
and I’m. . .
why do you think you were told to call us?
the moment I had no idea. OK? [Bill laughs]
And do you have an idea now?
I have a very good idea.
And do you want to tell us, or do you want to go down that
BD: Yeah, anyway... [laughter] What people have
to understand is that human beings are a supernatural transdimensional
being that’s made in the image of the Creator of the
universe, just like the Bible says. OK?
BD: But not only that, we’re like cells in a body.
And we’re connected, almost like neurons. So that if
we get to a level of revelation, it’s not just for our
own purpose to use greedily; it’s to serve the entire
body of mankind.
And the best way to think of mankind is not just, you know,
in this plane of time/space, but mankind is a non-local being
that stretches across the cosmos, and into the past, present
and future. OK?
you start to grasp that and you have that intuitive. . .
That’s why I tell people... When I try to do talks,
I say: You know, there are two groups of “religions” on
Earth. There’s those that believe in reincarnation and
those that don’t believe in reincarnation. Right?
And the reason is, they’re both right and wrong.
BD: And the reason is, for them, that’s their
level of understanding because that’s where they’re
at. When you become truly intuitive at the highest levels,
there’s no such thing as reincarnation.
KC: Sure, because we’re
BD: Right. Once you start grasping that, it’s
like the words of Yeshua Ha'Mashiach Jesus that says, you know, Though
you do it to the least of my brothers, you have done it to
me. If you actually felt the pain of allowing your government
to attack and blow up little girls in Baghdad, you wouldn’t
do it because it would be like a neuron connected to another
BD: Or you wouldn’t walk by a plant starving for
water without watering it. You wouldn’t spread depleted
uranium on crops because you could feel that. In other
words. . .
BR: You wouldn’t do these things, because you’re
doing it to yourself.
BD: Right. It actually is another expression of the “I
BD: We’re a gardener of the garden. We’re
actually. . . Think of each spinning galaxy as a
spinning flower in the universe. OK?
KC: Yes. But let’s get back to this, because we
have Reptilians influencing the Illuminati agenda. And we’ve
got an agenda that’s being rolled out on a bunch of eternal
beings that don’t really recognize their eternalness.
And so how’s it going to play out?
BD: Well, first, the thing that I’ve
has this been allowed to get so far?
BD: Well, it’s
allowed to get so far for a couple of reasons. The most important
thing in the universe for sentient beings is to have free
choice. In other words, to choose to remember.
A lot of
people think that, you know, you’re going through
life to learn things, or to prove a point or to reach something,
you know, like a point system, like a grade. And that if you
reach a certain grade, you can transcend -- which is totally
It’s like my little daughter with Down’s Syndrome,
she doesn’t have to earn points to be my daughter. OK?
BD: You are a son or daughter of the Most High God.
And what’s happening is your birthright’s being
stolen away from you, just like the story of Jacob and Esau.
It’s being stolen away from people.
problem is, it’s being stolen away primarily
to tell them things that they are not. Or to fill
in dogma. And, of course, it’s interesting -- the word dogma means “am-God”,
being told that they should decide
what’s good or evil rather than deciding from the spirit
by making that connection. Because the only way for people
to connect and not have an eternal matrix is to have the spirit
BD: Now the problem I see is this: People have to discern.
There’s two groups in the universe. There is, if you
want to call it, the Dark Empire. We will call them
the transdimenstional beings. We might call them the
Higher Lords of Darkness and their Princes. And
there’s many different civilizations that’re in
this. We don’t even need to get into names, but there’s
a whole series of them.
might call them the serpentines, the Reptilians,
the Tall Grays, whatever you want to call them. OK?
There’s a whole array of these.
And on the other side, there is a Grand Council of Civilizations out
there that are very, very caring and they are connected to
the spirit of the Creator God. They are advanced beings, both
human, humanoid and nonhuman, across the cosmos and universe.
of course this was why the movie Star Wars was
such a tremendous modern myth because it represented this whole
archetype that everyone really understands even if they don’t
BD: Well, they understand because it’s something
that they’re resonating with their spirit. You see. . .
almost like someone going through a neuralizer like the show MIB -- Men in Black.
And so they’ve forgotten something but something can
jar them back to remember it anyway. Right?
BD: OK. So in a sense you’re
in a state of what I call spirit sleep. Your spirit’s
asleep so that it can then start to reawaken its connectedness
with everyone else.
KC: OK. But what’s
the nuts and bolts to how this plays out, though, at the
BD: Well, I’ll just give you a little story. This
is one of the most recent ones. Roughly one year ago... And
I get visions and dreams. OK? And one of my primary
roles isn’t to be a doctor or a whistleblower or a radio
host. Those are all secondary. And really, to be honest with
you, they’re just a vehicle to try to get the real truth
out -- which isn’t just facts. Because the problem
is, we have a sea of facts.
BD: But it doesn’t change people. For example,
when you look at the anomalies around 9/11, how many people
have insisted that there’s a proper investigation? Right?
BD: Right. And they’re not. Just to follow the
financial side and all the other anomalies... And we still
have all these factions, even in the so-called 9/11 movement.
Well, it’s the same way with “religion.” I
call it “real lies going on.” They have their dogma
they cling to because... It’s what they call their “hell
insurance,” because they’re fearful of knowing
these things out here, of hell, or separation, or whatever
it is, at the end of their physical life. So hence they kind
of stuff themselves with dogma so that they can feel safe.
KC: Mm hm. OK. But you’ve just told us you have
three roles that are your secondary roles. What’s your
first role is to speak as a prophet.
BD: OK? Now, I’m not talking about Monty Python,
fill the stadium with prophets. And there’s many different
prophets. For example, I had on the show last week John Boncore/Splitting
the Sky. And I really believe that there are many people, especially
now, that there is a prophetic role for them. OK?
BD: And they’re from all different nations, colors,
peoples, whatever, on the Earth. It’s like the body of
are specific prophets that have what I call, if you want
to call it, an “executive role,” to try
to bring those together, and to bring the picture together
so that there can be a platform to have an overall synthesis
that can be presented back to mankind to say: Now see? So
they can start to kind of get with the program before all hell
BD: And that’s one of the reasons why I do my
show. And that’s one of the reasons I believe I was told
to call you. I kind of come from the perspective... I
want people to get rid of “religion” and get, in
every moment, into spirituality. In other words, don’t
go to church on Sunday and think you’re safe all week,
or whatever other day you like. Don’t go into your prayer
room and think that you’re...
KC: OK. But as a prophet... I mean, this is all
good but that’s like the A, B, C’s and we’re,
like, way beyond that with our audience.
sure you are.
give them some credit.
BD: I’m just telling you what’s not on my
show, because a lot of times they won’t get this on the
show because I only present certain portions of it. Now here’s
the next step.
next step is, one year ago I was taken by the Grand Council,
to the Eschaton.
BD: The Eschaton is beyond time/space. OK? Now this
may seem very bizarre to people. I’ve been there three
times. This last time was one year ago. And it’s not
an hallucination. It was a courtroom, if you want to call it,
beyond time and space, with 24 witnesses through human history.
BD: And we were brought before the Council because they’re
making a decision, either thumbs-up or thumbs-down, for our
BD: And we’re at the knife’s
edge of a bad decision.
And I believe you.
as a corporate being has to make decisions to get on the
BD: And if they don’t make the right decisions,
we’re going to get on the wrong one and we’re going
to become a dead cinder.
In a sense
this planet, and if you want to think of the Earth as a living
being, it’s like a giant womb of these spirit-beings
called human beings on Earth, or mankind, that are about to
be birthed to become – I call homo luminous or homo
galacticus, or you know, an advanced mankind that can
interact with advanced civilizations across the cosmos -- that
doesn’t have to have a matrix of billions of laws; that
doesn’t have to have a chip in us to track us to make
sure we’re good; and do all these things.
where we’re at... We’re at this nexus
or crossroads where we either are going to have the law as
Jesus Christ said himself, which was one of the great teachers,
Yeshua Ha Masaich, which means The Father in the Flesh.
OK? And we are the father in the flesh. So
are you! As we wake people up, it manifests what’s always
been there. It’s the manifestation that counts. We’re
not greater than God. We’re just...
KC: OK. So you’re in front of this council and
you’re witnessing... What?
consciousness of all of these people down through human history.
the council and all these different beings in the courtroom,
and they basically came up with a judgment.
And they said: Now
we’re sending you back, and you
have... The time is very short before judgment is going
to fall. And mankind as a corporate being must get this message.
And if they don’t get the message correctly, which
transcends religion, politics, national borders or their
version of a new world order or world government...
they’ve got a world government that’s
absolutely noxious. You see, a world government can be world
government with national boundaries and nations. It can be
with people who keep their recipe cards and control of their
civilization. It can be with a world that has some degree of
order without knocking all boundaries down and creating regional
Because the world is not based on economy.
based on, if you want to call it, identity. OK? And
what they’re doing is, they’re homogenizing the
identity so they can control the population and turn people
into cybernetic robots, is what they want to do.
BD: And they’re already moving us step by grade
into a matrix. Now, the future that they’re talking about
is where people, citizens, can even have the option of having
a brain-interface chip and be loaded into a rack. And they
won’t even have to exist in the physical world. Their
bodies would be put into life extension technology, loaded
into a rack for centuries or thousands of years. That’s
where we’re headed.
People say: Oh
no, that won’t happen.
I say: Well,
I’m sorry, but that hellish world is
right around the corner.
dependent on humankind. And whether we’ll
even get to that, or most of this civilization will die... These
people are feverishly building underground bases at the rate
here in America, for example, of two bases per year, anywhere
from 18 to 26 billion dollars.
BD: Anywhere from 5.24 to 7.25 cubic miles in size.
Most of them are in dormant volcanic domes or built with nuclear
explosions underground to create these massive domes or what’s
called a matrix where they cut these giant tunnels.
KC: But that’s
not going to save them.
BD: No, it won’t save them. The fact is, it’s
not going to be a technical answer that’s going to save
them. And that’s where the problem is. These are advanced
intellectual beings without spirit. And that’s the basis
of what we call the Reptilian or serpentine empire.
like a group of super-scientists with these super-intellects,
with massive knowledge of energy and time/space, and jumping
across the galaxy, and life extension, and everything. But
with no spirit, because they do what is right in their own
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