Dan Burisch/Marci McDowell
Zürich Workshop transcript
Dan Burisch/Marci McDowell Zürich Workshop
Zürich, Switzerland, 10 July 2009
[Ed note: Normally the transcripts that had any parts in them that had been difficult for the transcribers to hear were put in “audibles” in square brackets in red for Bill Ryan to attend to, fix, then he’d post the transcript; however, due to unexpected interruptions in the normal working process in Project Camelot, this normal process was not able to proceed forward, so the audibles were left in the square brackets.]
Before the Workshop begins:
BURISCH (DB): I could just keep talking and blabbering on for hours
and hours and hours about how the immune system functions. That’s
not our purpose here today. There’s something larger to our
what we found out was this: We found out that somewhere in the back
of the room there was a small group of individuals who... varied
belief system. This belief system comes from another nation-state,
from what we’re hearing. We’ve heard that this happened
from two separate individuals. One individual told us about it who
lives here in Switzerland, and another individual told us about it
who lives in France, and they were independent pieces of information
which came to us.
WE SAID: Oh
my God, a belief system.
were talking primarily about the science
of the issues, not a belief system. This would be like a Christian
telling a Muslim that they’re wrong or a Muslim telling a
Christian. That may be the way that it was perceived, and it was
never intended that way. We are speaking only for the science of the
what we’d just like to say to those individuals, even to
those... what word did they use? “Bullshit,” did I hear?
VOICES]: Oh yes. [and other inaudible responses]
Because those individuals who courageously stayed – and this
is why we invited people up onto the stage – you’re the
center, the center of a great mass of people that has no specific
center aside from, hopefully, love. You’re the center of all of
this, not we. We were simply... well, we drew that straw to do what
we’re doing. And what we would like to say to you, the
individuals who courageously came up to the stage, is: Wonderful.
to those that we promised that we would put your letters on the front
we will when we get home. We’ll get them scanned in and we’ll
get them up as-is, no changes to them. You have a right to have your
say, and that’s why Eagles
those individuals who “labeled,” acted fearful, acted
angry, God bless you, and God bless them. God bless you and your
belief system and we hope you have long and happy and healthy lives.
would you. . . Oh, oh, I tell everybody we have no real plans here
this morning. This is up to you.
MEMBER (AM): A free-form forum.
What is behind us here is something which has never been broadcast
to the people of Earth before. [side talk with audio engineer]
ENGINEER: We are streaming, yes. It’s live. We’re all on
the air. [background voices discussing phone call] We’re just
supporting it to include the people here...
[voices overtalking] All right, let’s leave this for a few
moments to give the rest of the people who are intending on
arriving... Maybe those present who know the individuals who are
arriving can help us, we plead, to pass on the information that we’ve
already provided, our feelings about these issues. We’d be
grateful to you all. [background voices]
CREW MEMBER: Ruth wants to have a couple of minutes to work around
10:00 to work with …
Sure, to speak with these individuals?
Oh sure. Very fine, very fine.
We’ll wait until you’re concluded with that, then we’ll
McDOWELL (MMcD): We didn’t realize that it wasn’t 10:00
o’clock yet, so...
I realized. I just started talking. [laughter]
So we’re going to hold back just a little bit because there
are still some people coming, and we want to make sure everybody gets
in and gets seated. So bear with us a little bit. It’s going to
To those looking at my strange driver’s license, please return
it, [laughter] because even though I don’t drive that much in
Las Vegas, Marcia does most of the driving...
We really need it.
So please give it back. [laughs]
So we’re going to wait just a few minutes and then Ruth, I
understand, wishes to speak with everyone here. And to those
listening on the Internet, Hi. Ah... we’ll just...
We’ll just kind of pause it.
All right. [background conversation, audience chatter] Everyone is
going to hear a short audio clip with some images attached to it –
it was easier to do it in Windows Movie format than bring an
[Audio Video Interleave, multimedia format by Microsoft]
here – from the morning of March 28 with Marcia actually
speaking to the group the morning that the T2 date arrived.
gonna hear some anger at her because we had some representatives of
present, and specifically...
The Illuminati ...specifically individuals who had added my name to
the treaty system that ultimately resulted in what you all heard last
night. So there was some anger that you will hear in her voice.
Please understand that this was anger toward them, not anger toward
I haven’t told to... even if I have to... [inaudible]
Drag me and stop me? And did you say strangle?
if I have to stop you. We’re going to have a five-minute, and
then a one-minute warning for tape change. A tape change takes about
30 to 40 seconds, so if I had to like drag you and stop you from
speaking, I would have to do something drastic.
What happens if you’re speaking when this happens? Moses
supposes that roses are roses, right?
Moses supposes erroneously.
You’re going to stop her? [laughter / audience banter]
Should we step out while... I think it’d be...
No, I think she wants to work with all of us.
All right. Do you want to have a seat here?
Yes, I think I will. Thank you.
Yeah, just move it aside.
FROM AUDIENCE: ...but I can speak out loud?
ENGINEER: This is an open mike setup.
If you’re going to give us your ID, just pass your credit card
You assume I have a bank account, dude? Speak to wife; she handles
We are all very much looking forward to this workshop... I would
like to take two minutes just to get back to yourselves, back to your
energetic flow in your body.
we get so much into our minds and so much into ideas and so much into
emotions that we get drawn away. So let’s take a minute to get
back in some kind of place, and I want to give you a sound that might
help you to come back. [hits gong type of instrument which makes long
reverberating sound; audience quiets down]
always like to connect myself with my Higher Self, with heaven, in a
way, and let some energy flow from the third eye, to the toes, to the
floor, and let all the heaviness run out into the ground so that my
spirit can take over, that my Higher Self can take over because this
includes the body
we are all friends up there. [silence for a moment]
you very much. Enjoy the workshop with Dan and Marcia. [rings gong
softly once again]
Thank you. All right. The reason why this driver’s license was
being passed around while some of you were coming in, is I had asked
what the difference was between...
Stand up. They can’t see you.
They can see... You mean the cameras. Well.
I was getting a signal from the back.
We will just move this over here. It’s only for a couple of
hours to stand. I had asked what the difference was between my
personal driver’s license and the driver’s license of the
Illuminati. One individual correctly indicated: The difference is
they don’t have them. That kind of filth is driven around in
had also indicated, at the risk of restating a few things which...
[responding to Marcia]
Yes, I’m going to get to the phone call. I’m not psychic,
but yes, I’m going to get to the phone call.
the risk of re-stating a couple of things that you’ve already
heard, we understand that there was a group of individuals who had a
“belief system” present yesterday, and none of us,
especially Marcia and myself, wish to offend anyone who was carrying
a belief system reference the existence
of bacteria, viruses, fungi, things like that.
were speaking from a scientific point of view, from the evidence that
we know to be true, and we’re not wishing to collide at all
with anyone’s belief system. Yet we must stand with what we
know to be true as well, and we can always find common ground with
one another. The common ground is always love.
after the rather exciting evening that we had, Marcia and I were
notified by one of our team members that a satellite call arrived
through a sat-phone from one of our team members here in Zurich.
got some of the Eagles
team here in Zurich. I can actually show you... As long as they’re
not placed on film whatsoever, maybe near the end, I will show you
what some of our team members actually look like.
of you may have seen our former Forum. In the Eagles
team they use such avatars as Mongrel and Owl and Caspa
and Camel Duster.
Everybody knows about the Mongrel. [makes an animal noise] [laughter]
When you see what this very strange and very loving man looks like,
you’ll probably laugh again.
we received a satellite call from the former head of the Consistory
of the Majestic. Yes, at least two to three of the former twelve were
listening yesterday, and listening to you all.
I hadn’t heard this sound in his voice. [there is a
disturbance in the room] Now we’re being interrupted! Now come
on in, come on in. I can’t take such interruptions! [laughter]
hadn’t heard this kind of a crackling, this kind of a shaken
sound in his voice since the 1990s. Of course, he’s retired
back into industry now from government service, after the last
administration departed. Well, he was already out and then he left.
was very afraid for Marcia and I because he was only hearing audio
feed, and everyone knows that’s lovely, just the audio feed.
We’ve asked Bill, by the way: Please
rush the entire video out so that everybody can see everything in
he said he would do the best that he could.
he was very worried specifically for me, and we told him: Look,
as we passed the phone back and forth, you
sent us out here. Had you not given these orders...
original purpose of my debriefing was for archival purposes, Marcia’s
I had intended to simply record for posterity as much as possible
about Dan’s experiences so that if someday we needed them as a
reference, they would be available. That was the whole purpose, the
sole purpose, of trying to archive so much of his experience. Then it
These days, these conferences, were never in consideration, never a
thought of mine. I just wanted, and continue... and although I love
every one of you... but I would want to continue just doing the
research that we’re doing, and to back-engineer some of the
devices that we spoke about. In the Lotus research that you will see,
some of the images weren’t shown in any other places such as
maybe even CalTech.
interruption and chatter as new people come in; new camera set up]
any case, I told him: You
sent us out here and you needed to expect that the people would
rightfully and rightly express themselves to us.
a few more minutes of conversation and some tears between him and I,
I told him to listen to the peoples’ voices that he heard and
to make sure that the videos which were coming out of this conference
were forwarded to the group which took over after Majestic.
Marcia] Should we just go ahead and name them? Name it?
group which took over... and this is going to be a very big problem,
because this is streaming out live; it’s being maintained for
public record. The new group which took over after Majestic is named
S-C-I-O-N (not S-I-O-N as in the Priory of Sion) [laughter]...
S-C-I-O-N, which means a transplant, such as when you would
transplant a shoot of a tree onto another tree, it’s called a
It’s a biological term.
It’s a name alike but it is a spelling difference.
They had asked Marcia and myself for some suggestions for names, and
that biological term, that term actually came from me, and it was
adopted as such. Now, this statement which just went live over the
Internet is now out there forever, and it will cause serious
military-industrial complex problems within the shadow government,
even in our own country.
again, you have the right to know. An individual yelled out last
us all you know.
That’s a little difficult. [laughter]
I can tell you as we would proceed over the years, everything that I
know and I understand and that I’ve been educated to
understand... save those future issues that it’s truly my
conviction, my heart, that should remain silent, those issues about a
potential future, because I truly believe and I hope you all believe
this as well, that we’re going to write our own future
together. It’s ours to take. That’s the birthright that I
was speaking about yesterday.
But the upshot to this conversation, the upshot to this conversation
was that there was a question of whether people were capable of
That’s why essentially
were sent out with the orders we were sent out with. I think it was a
testing of the water. We said, we told them...
people can take it.
They can handle this.
can handle this. They’re strong, they’re powerful,
they’re not afraid. They’re not afraid to get like that
we’re not afraid to talk. These people can take this. So take
that back to the powers, the new group, and say:
about this and make sure you make the right decision. These people
can handle this.”
I got to tell you, we, we... [indicating audience member should
speak] Yeah, please...
I would like to know the background of the reason why Majestic has
sent you out for this Disclosure. That is normally not in their
politics at this time. Is that correct?
No, no, it is not. This argument, which culminated in 2002 inside of
The Committee of the Majority, which was a cover committee over the
Majestic, resulted in the Majestic literally fraying and falling
reason that we were sent out is because Looking Glass data actually
showed that a rise of consciousness in the world’s population
prior and during this period of transition could actually benefit in
our survival during it. So that’s why we say we’re not
the center of this, you are.
It’s everybody who is, in my humble conviction and
understanding, just saving the world.
[to audience member] Yes?
it more to the point that they’re fearful of not whether people
take it, but more for their own safety?
Oh, absolutely they are!
Absolutely they are. I have rudely called them gutless before, and
spineless, and have been in text, and in record, and even in
interviews, labeling them.
Because they have a… [unclear].
They still were. They still were as of last night when we received
the telephone call. And one of the things which provoked a little
spat between him and myself is I asked him why he wasn’t here.
[laughter] I mean, it’s not like he’s short on money. He
didn’t need to drive. He didn’t need to fly himself here.
He had one of the VAH
[searched terms: this could reference to heavy attack squadron
I don’t want to... I think we all know who I’m talking
about here. I have placed his name in affidavit under penalty of
perjury and I do have a personal relationship with the man, a close
personal relationship, but when push comes to shove we have to do
what is right, each of us.
He knew the risks when he sent us out here.
It was his choice to pick the two, the one they have the orders read
to, and initially the two to watch over me, as it was put, while the
back-channel stuff was going on, while we were getting closer and
closer to one another to be permanently with one another. This is
something that he risked, and, ultimately, he and the last group of
they get what they get now, and I consider it fortunate to have been
picked, though, for that. I really do. Sometimes it’s hard, but
sometimes life is hard. It’s hard on all of you; it’s
hard on us too.
But you’re right when you say they ran away.
They do not want to take this heat. They do not want to be held
accountable and responsible. So they run away and they’re
[to audience member dressed in purple] Yes, they are. Yes, Sir... in
What was the risk that he took?
The risk that he took was that we might vary from the orders, and we
might also be a little more forthcoming with you all, which is what
has been happening, than what they actually anticipated. Now, I’ve
gone on and on and on, and when I start speaking of the official…
the tie on and all of that garbage... Like I say, this is us.
They risked everything for themselves. Even though they’re not
willing to come out of the hiding places, they risked everything for
themselves that we might foment even greater problems for them.
know things about them, so does Marcia. We know dates, times, and
meetings, where they met with whom in Washington D.C., account
numbers, PIN numbers. We haven’t used them yet, [laughter] but
Marcia has threatened once or twice.
numbers, PIN numbers, also contract numbers, and these are contracts
into places such as the Defense Department of the United States. And
just the mentioning of the name is going to be a big enough problem
for them. Ah well, like I said, they took the risk.
Why do you think some of the government and power echelon people
love us so much?
After 20 years of working with them, I’m no longer a believer.
I stopped being a believer the day that they raised the shade in the
gallery and I saw Chi'el'ah
[“Chi’el’ah” is the official spelling of this
name for the JRod, from previous Burisch interviews] for the first
My world changed, my universe changed. It impacted me so profoundly I
had a hard time remaining standing up. [to audience member] Yes, Sir.
How is the U.S. government coping with the fact that they can’t
use the Looking Glass anymore to fix appointments to, like for
instance, presidency like what it has been happening in Australia...
[inaudible]... to the... [inaudible]... and part of the decision in
regard to... [inaudible]...
There are a number of governments across the Earth that are shaken
at the moment because they feel the power structure slipping away and
slipping into the hands of the people. And so be it, and good for us.
Good for us, finally good for us.
had worked for decades with the Looking Glass technology and became
accustomed to it as one would become accustomed to taking a shot of
heroin. Now that that is no longer in their hands, they’re
feeling the withdrawals.
my opinion is let them feel the withdrawals like we have to feel
every day having to go to work and struggle in our lives. There’s
no sympathy from us on that. [applause]
was very ginger while sitting on the stage talking about the
components to the Looking Glass in that we have heard – that’s
true – we have heard that the components not only were broken
up, but separated from one another.
certain components, meaning the projection device, have been spirited
away. Well, not only was the projection device spirited away, so was
all the CAD [Computer-Aided Design] drawings and all of the general
schematics for the devices. They don’t have them anymore.
member question, inaudible]
Yes, sir. Where they are? I love all of you. [audience laughter] I
really do. I really do.
pause] I don’t officially know. You’re hearing that word?
I don’t officially
know. They can go through their withdrawals and just have to come
back to reality with the rest of us. [to audience member] Yes?
I know that you said that there was like 50-some devices, if I
There were several.
Yes. So you’re talking about every... each of
Yes. See, what happened is, they were broken into three separate
pieces and then combined together by components such as A, B, and C.
All the A’s were placed together, all the B’s, and all
they lost one of those components. We know that there are individuals
right now trying to back-engineer that extra component because
they’re panicking inside. I’m not talking about the U.S.
government panicking, I’m talking about the governments, all of
the governments, who have been involved in this technology and who
are addicted to it.
Can I have a second question?
Well, you can ask all you want.
I don’t want to press you or something, but...
The question is, who can steal such a thing? Maybe I don’t
understand, you know, who can steal such a thing. I know a couple of
guys who steal bicycles, but... [laughter]
I didn’t know you were [inaudible]...
Blame it on Fulcanelli! Blame it on Fulcanelli.
[Ed. note: 19th century alchemist]
Okay, how did the Q-94
document get spirited into my hands?
Mm hm. That document, ladies and gentlemen, is quite real. It is a
real draft document with all the errors that Steven and myself –
the late Steven
– and myself could type that day next to the clerk’s
actually put a “CMD” for Commander instead of “CDR”
in it because I knew that it would irritate the clerk who was typing
it. She was very mean to us. These were the days that we were
actually using typewriters to type our draft reports. We’d have
to pass the paperwork underneath a window, such as like a bank
window, and what she would do, when she would get done retyping our
reports back and putting signature blocks on them, is she would shoot
the papers back and they would drop on the floor because she did not
like us. So we did everything we could just to be irritable back at
her. It was an inside thing that was going on at S4.
clerk’s office was located approximately in back of where the
nurse’s office was located that Bob Lazar actually saw. So
that’s where the actual typing of this document occurred. It
was leaked out by Steven, who’s no longer alive – and
probably as a result of that.
It came to me in a form that was very, very difficult to manage
it was an extremely poor version. It was gray and black, not black
and white. It was horrible, gray and black, and it was in reverse, so
the only way to see it... It was like it had been processed
He shoved it through the copy machine in the clerk’s office,
but how he got it out of S4, I have no clue.
going to tell you something. Things generally could not be sneaked
out of that facility. That was a highly guarded facility. We had what
was called “Pan-and-Scan”. We would have to pan in,
and have our irises, both of them, scanned
before we could move from position to position. If we went to the
rest room and lost weight because of voiding, we would have to
re-Pan-and-Scan so that we would be identifiable by our weight and
those people that say: Well,
this person may have sneaked a heavy element out of S4?
Sorry. It didn’t happen. That didn’t happen. Paperwork?
Possibly via a courier... possibly via a courier. That’s the
only thing I’ve been able to guess from it.
never got a chance to ask him before he crashed with, I believe,
another family member and some friends in his aircraft. They just
mysteriously went down. My other friend from up there, Bob, Robert
Schwartz, he was hacked to death, as I understand, by a boyfriend of
With a sword.
Nobody understands why the boyfriend went kind of strange.
was hacked to death.
He’s gone as well. There are two original members of the
Aquarius team that are alive. That is myself and the man that I was
speaking to on the phone last night, on the satellite phone. Everyone
else is dead. [to audience member] Yes, Sir.
In your experience… [unclear] the P45s … [inaudible]…
do you think… [inaudible] are they humans
Were they humans?
No. Did they use… [inaudible]
You mean to the agreements?
The P52s were, to the best of my knowledge. The P45s violate any
agreement that they can possibly get away with violating. They had an
extremely, almost a fascist, intent about them. They didn’t
care about the treaties, although they knew that they had to comply
with them to a certain extent, and if they could get away with
something they did, and do. I’m hoping at this time that the
separation of the Timelines has been such that they no longer have
contact with us.
I was going to ask that. Concerning the separation of the Timelines,
does that mean that the Orions and the J-Rods will no longer visit
Yes, as I understand. However, I am in direct possession of
information to suggest that they are still on orbit and also near our
Moon for the purpose of removing heirlooms. Now, I had to suck this
up pretty hard last night when David... he apologized to me actually,
after. When we were sitting out here drinking, starting to drink this
wonderful beer, [Ed note: David does not drink any sort of alcohol
and has not done so for 13 or 14 years now, so it was Dan and
possibly others who were enjoying drinks.] he apologized to me.
so sorry for putting you on the spot.
I put you on the spot,
no one knew that he had suffered from swine flu.
it was a useful example at the time because we were talking about
something that’s so important to all of us, and that’s
so, I know he’s a giving, and a loving, and a wonderful and
very bright man, and so I took that chance at that moment that his
heart would extend in that direction, and it did. And then he took
that same chance back at us.
The reality of what was going on, if you’d like to know...
When I was onboard in ’73, after I’d been abducted in Mae
Boyar Park and came into contact with the former MJ1’s son who
passed away onboard, that son was already onboard as a collateral
heirloom – collateral,
as in: I
want collateral for a loan.
The P45s took collateral for the loan to agree to the treaties.
that same collateral... After I accepted the final orders, I was
informed that same collateral was then in place for me,
which meant that my lovely six-year-old daughter would likely have
been taken as collateral and not returned. The only way... It was not
like... It was slightly misstated last night for me “to get out
of Majestic”. No. It was for me to keep them here.
did what I had to do because the P45 J-Rods are extremely legalistic.
They want the letter of the law rather than the spirit of the law,
and it was required that anyone who had care, custody and control,
and was called senior
As soon as those final orders arrived, I was called senior echelon,
the same as a J-number again; the same as one of the Twelve again.
soon as I accepted those orders, I was part of a treaty codicil,
separate portion of the treaty, of which I was unaware until I was
informed of that.
when it came time for the divorce issue to proceed with the former
wife, there was also a decision and a near-panic between Marcia and
myself to get the divorce done before June 1st. Had that not been
done before June 1st, I would have been in care, custody and control
of those two young ladies, and one of them would not be here now.
would have been taken in the middle of the night and there would have
been nothing that her mom could have done about it – in the
same way that I was taken in the middle of the night on October 15th,
with a full houseful of mature ladies and children, and no one heard
a thing and all of my property was removed.
There was a group which was brought in called the “Ghost
Riders.” They do not make sound while they work. That is their
I brought them in.
She brought them in to have me removed in safety. But there are
other units like them and they would have come in and probably
enforced the treaty issues for the J-Rods.,.
child, this beautiful little child that I called Little
– she stands about this tall and she reminds me of a little
troll – she would have been taken in the middle of the night.
So what was I supposed to do? When you love someone, you protect
These “Ghost Riders,” are they present
Yes. Oh yes. They’re operatives.
They’re a crack team.
Yeah. They’re operatives.
They’re absolutely a crack team. I brought them in on the
project because I needed the best, the very best I could find, so I
pulled some strings and I asked for some agents. I had
who is loving and loyal toward us, just because they happened to have
worked with Dan and built great friendships and become very fond of
us all. Plus other Majestic operatives who were very skilled; they
took control of the entrances and exits of the locations.
and Owl were the two who actually removed me from the apartment. And
if you know the names Mongrel
were the ones that actually came in. It was Steven who put his arms
around me and told me I would be fine.
came in looking like The
They had their night vision on and they had weapons out, for fear
that members of the Illuminati were actually inside of the apartment
and would have tried to hold me. They didn’t know for sure.
They weren’t able to watch the apartment that well for fear of
being seen themselves, so it was a situation of a surveillance
problem that was going on at the same time. So they came in with full
armor on, automatic weapons out, and extracted me. In silence,
[talking at the same time as Dan] Yeah. They very quietly took him
into a van. Then the “Ghost Riders” came in, and in
absolute silence removed personal property, extraordinary amounts of
The 20-year-old, who was the two-year-old child of Debra when I
married Debra, she actually came out into, as I understand, through
the living room and into the kitchen wearing a nightie, got herself
something to drink, something like a Coca-Cola or whatever, and the
“Ghost Riders” were in the living room at the time and
she never once saw them or heard them. And, she’s a pretty
perceptive young lady.
Fifteen feet away.
Yes. Yeah. They’re very good at what they do, and I was happy
that most of the property was removed because most of the property
that I had in there was all of the Lotus data.
The Lotus research data – the CDs, and the background data,
We’ve got hundreds of them.
There are hundreds, thousands of images that had been produced over
the research. Plus items of personal property that had been passed to
Dan through his family members.
My important hat.
By the way...
His grandfather’s camera. Things like this that are
irreplaceable were spirited out and placed was under lock and key in
various locations, under various vaults...
I’m looking for something here.
What are you doing?
I was looking for the card from Grandma and Grandpa but I’m
not finding it. That’s fine. Is it in here? No. Here? No.
these “Ghost Riders,” are they…
Oh no, they’re just trained.
No, they’re trained:
Talented, and experienced at doing what they do.
After this experience...
By the way, we went up to one of the nature parks near the Alps on
the first day in. We have some Swiss patches. I’ve had now a
Los Angeles Angels baseball hat on since I was a little boy. In fact,
I had one on the day I was abducted... a different style “A”
at the time, but nevertheless it’s the same team. They were
called the California
at the time. But I have never had anything aside from an angel in the
center of it because I do believe in angels.
I think it’s because the angels believe in you. [laughter]
I’d appreciate that! Well, we got some patches. But after this
experience with you all... for my entire life I’ve never placed
anything except my name inside my cap, and this angel on it. I’m
going to put the Swiss patch on my hat.
Atta boy, Danny! [audience comments/ laughter]
Oh!!! [audience member produces an LA Angels hat]
Oh my, that looks like a block “A”.
It is a block “A”.
May I? Thank you. [audience laughter] Would you like to trade? [more
Thank you. See, I got the block “A”. [applause] Thank
you! I got the better deal out of this, you see, because the style of
the “A” in 1973 was approximately this same style... you
see little picks-out, little stylized picks-out, on the side of the
“A” for the more recent baseball caps. So this will be my
new baseball cap.
What a treasure! Thank you.
Yes, thank you very much. We may have to place a sizer in it. Let’s
see here. Well,
why don’t I wear it like this [turns hat sideways; laughter]
we’ll place a sizer in it. But this will be my new hat. Thank
you. Thank you very much.
bought it last week.
It’s the style of the “A” that’s so
That’s why I [inaudible]
You don’t mind, really?
It says “fifty”.
It does? It does!
That’s my age.
I got one in ’59 and that’s written inside as well.
It is! It is.
Wonderful. Would you sign this for us?
Would you sign this?
For us, please? So I can carry your name in this? I won’t tell
anybody if you don’t want it known or anything like that. If
Would you sign mine?
I believe I already have. Let me see if the name... Now, you’ll
probably see a very worn name Crain
That’s actually my family name. Marcia and I are going to be
legally returning to my first original name, hopefully within the
next few months, so I will again be known as Danny B. Crain,
my original name.
Why did you adopt the name Burisch?
Tiffany, the now 20-year-old, at the time was just going to be
starting school. And so in 1995, I changed over to the name Burisch
because her biological father obviously was not present.
And what we did not want to do – because Deborah at that time
was carrying the name Crain; it was Deborah K. Crain at the time –
we did not want her to have questions asked her at school. So what we
did, because she was carrying the name Burisch...
Deborah was you daughter?
No. Deborah was my wife. Tiffany was my daughter. Tiffany continued
to carry the name Burisch at the insistence of her grandmother and
her grandfather. Her grandfather has now passed away. Her grandmother
is still living.
It was Burisch?
Yes, it was Burisch and she had the name Burisch. However the wife
and myself had the name
Crain, so I changed the name over to Burisch to make it easier on
So it was nothing to do with the legality...
No, it was totally personal. It was a totally personal decision.
[returning to hat topic] Thank you very much for the honor. Do you
want me to place anymore than that in it?
It’s not a problem.
Thank you very much. I got the better trade! I got the better trade.
[inaudible] I’d like to ask you...
difference in the races,
the Orions and the J-Rods...
By the way, as an aside, how did the name J-Rod
The name J-Rod was originated through communications between
multiple J-Rods and a unit called Sigma.
This was the communications and linguistics unit which was working
for the Majestic.
he did is he identified himself as a number. And how he did that is
he picked the J, which is the tenth letter in the English alphabet...
They know what the J looks like!
Well, what do you want me to do with this? [Marcia
draws out a “J” and a horizontal rod to describe the
“J-Rod” name.]They picked the tenth letter in the English
alphabet, which is J.
So it was Ten or something.
That was Ten. And he pointed toward an inertial bar symbol which was
also in the teleprompter system in the Clean Sphere, which looked
like a rod
or an inertial bar. To him that meant “Five” because it
was a combination involving the Mayan number system. So Ten and Five
was 15. The name J-Rod
simply means 15.
He identified himself as coming from a base, a temporary base, 15
light-years from Earth. That is the origin of the name J-Rod.
I like to ask a question about the
Looking Glass. Is there an explanation why the Looking Glass could
not see beyond 2012? Because there was...
it with time portals? There was something written...
No, there were views that went up for several hundred years past
said it turned white.
That the Looking Glass turned white?
Maybe he’s talking about the Orion “Cube” because
there were some issues involving the Orion Cube.
me explain something here for a moment, something that the listeners
on the Internet may want to hear as well.
had mentioned about the INRI
Cross of Hendaye*.
In code, cross,
should we pass... Now, the first two numbers for IN just so happen to
add up to 60, which was the number of years that Majestic existed,
leading us toward what was called the SHAR. That was 1510 as I
understand, and then 200 and another 10... INRI, or 10 and 50 and
Cross of Hendaye
is a stone cross
located on the town square of
in the Pyrénées-Atlantiques,
in southwestern France.
The cross is carved with alchemical
symbols that occultists find to contain encrypted information on a
future global catastrophe.
That’s multiplication… [unclear]?
That is the Kabbalistic approach that let us have an associated...
Okay. But what I know is that in the Hebrew alphabet there are no
[many voices]: Vowels,
a vowel system added to that.
Okay. Thank you.
Can I ask you a question?
I’m not a linguist though, please... [to audience member]
want to know because
is supposed to have happened right about now in the Timeline...
Yes. Well, that would have been what we nicknamed Timeline Two.
And it was a very dark nickname but it was a nickname nonetheless.
So we’re now on Timeline One, are we?
I’m not sure what we’re on right now.
Okay. It doesn’t really matter how we designate it.
Right and that’s the whole point.
[inaudible] …and then the Orions were supposed to have left
the Earth first and then...
Yes. Several thousand years after the disaster, yes.
There’s something that doesn’t quite stack up here.
First of all, would they have
technology to do that?
Several thousand years after the disaster, yes. We’re talking
a large expanse of time after the disaster before they ever began
reconstituting themselves, before we did on the surface of the Earth,
reconstitute ourselves to the point to leave.
We’re talking about a lot of time here.
Okay. But the Orions... You said the Orions, somewhere, I think it
was on your interview on Camelot. You said the Orions left at the
time of the catastrophe.
No, and if that’s written anywhere, please show us where
because that would be wrong.
It has to be corrected.
I think it was stated that they left 2000 years after this.
Okay. Well, the site...
That’s fine. That’s fine.
And since they did that, does this mean... I think I asked this
before... that we’re never going to see them again? Because
we’re on the wrong Timeline.
Well, as I said, I understand a couple of different things. I
understand that there were teams left behind in case the disaster
still occurred. These individuals ostensibly would know that they may
not be able to go home again.
Because it doesn’t exist?
Ah... well, they may not be able to traverse the wormhole system
again after we get done with the transit. I’m not certain about
But does that mean that we’re never going to see any
other aliens again?
No, and in fact this is why... this is why I raised... Oh, boy. I
raised the specter of a couple hundred
years of viewing with the Looking Glass. And I also raised the issue
of INRI on the Cross of Hendaye.
mentioned the first two adding up to 60, meaning the number of years
from the time of the inception of Majestic to its official ending, by
the end of the orders, 2007. Now, of course, they officially broke
off at the end of 2005, but the orders... they stood adjourned to the
completion of the orders. The completion of the orders ended,
technically, at the end of 2006. So if you count from 2007, and you
add the last two numbers up on the Cross
that is exactly the date that was seen as the date of first
Yes. Who were we contacting? Was it the J-Rods or the...
No. A true alien of non-human lineage. First true alien contact.
That would place it along about 2217 or 2218. That kind of hurt me
when I found out personally because I would like to meet a true
alien. I have met an extraterrestrial
but not an alien.
I have met an extraterrestrial of human lineage, several of them, but
not a true alien.
So we are not going to see any extraterrestrials of human lineage
We should not. The public should not.
[inaudible] How disappointing.
Thinking empirically, yes.
there existing records, including movie, film, or video, of the
Yes sir. Oh, yes sir.
[inaudible] ...of the J-Rods or anything...
Oh yes sir. For instance, all of my interactions – and there
were well over 100 direct interactions in the Clean Sphere –
all of the interactions were video/audio taped from multiple
directions. Marcia, in fact, at her very short time when she toured
S4, saw some of the videos.
are obviously highly secure and I wish they would not be. It’d
be the greatest thing in my life, to be honest with you, with some of
the questions that have been raised and some of the statements and
the labels that have been applied to us, if they’d just release
the darn videos and let it be and let people claim that they’re
hoaxed. You know? Fine. Okay?
you know, in any group... well, I can only speak for some of the
UFOlogical groups that we’ve interacted with in the U.S. We’ve
... much more politely here.
Oh. Here? Very polite.
Much more politely. In fact, while we were walking toward the
Volkshaus for the panel interview that had not yet occurred, I looked
over at Marcia and I said: This
now raises the specter of my having to ask certain people in our
beloved country who are involved in UFOlogical organizations: Exactly
what is your major malfunction?
[laughter] These people get it. What’s wrong here? Is it just
anxiety because of our culture, or what? But...
Right. Our own UFOlogical people are basically... [makes a gesture
that makes audience laugh] You know?
the book of William Hamilton, Behold
a Pale Horse,
he mentioned that all
the UFO magazines, that they penetrated... [inaudible]
Yes sir. At least most... well, I can say rather authoritatively
that all of them within the United States have been. We have the
Majestic Folkloristics Unit in place to provide as much
disinformation to the population as they can foist on them.
They did a good job, yeah?
Yeah, they did a good job confusing people about this.
We are at the 5-minutte mark and I’ll give you a one-minute.
Then you drag me off the stage...
Dan, may I ask you a question?
Well, I asked you before on a post, and you had made a judgment.
And, and during the telephone call we had. Wonderful telephone call.
I was probably one of the last persons to talk to you over the
Via phone... that’s quite possible...
... given what Marcia’s intending.
Very nice. Thank you very much.
In fact, you, you, aside from our close personal friends, having to
do with the Golden Thread, the dash golden thread dot proboards dot
com. [ http://the-goldenthread.proboards.com/
The real one.
The real one.
The pleasant one.
The pleasant one, the polite one, the one where people who were from
the original inception of the Golden Thread... we’ll call it
Book One, and we’ll call this Golden Thread Book Two, kind of
Tale of Two Cities.
The second book is called the Golden Thread, but... ah... please,
Yes, I was just wondering if you had one of your drawings of the
J-Rods with you?
Because of course we would love to see how he would look like.
Yes. I don’t think we brought any here.
That one I didn’t plan. I’m not certain if I have one
here or not. If not, we’ll put an image up on the front of
for everyone to see. I have done one, a hand drawing, and I’ve
done a couple of computer graphic drawings. Okay.
is all this stuff going around relating to the alien ___ 2017?
That’s what’s encoded into the
Cross of Hendaye.
Yes, but Dan just said
that the first contact
It’s 2200... 2217.
Maybe I mis-heard you. I’m
Well, he was saying 2017… [inaudible] And
Dan was just saying 22 …
Well, I’m saying... the cross.
Well, in my opinion... my opinion on this?
Is that absolutely it could happen. That’s my opinion. Being
that we’re on a path that we do not know, who knows? Yet this
was encoded... this was encoded via J-Rod contact. So that encoding,
even the encoding on the Cross
of Hendaye, it
says that there are two catastrophes. Well, we’ve avoided one
of them already. So why not the second catastrophe being avoided? And
why not the date of first contact which was indicated on the cross be
avoided as well?
It makes perfect sense.
It maybe shifted because of all the [unclear; overtalking Dan] to
avoid the …
No, we do not have one of those images with us. I’m sorry.
We completely derailed the encoding because it was based on their
history, whereas we have made significant changes now and made
changes in the catastrophe.
So anything could happen …
So, we’re on a new path.
Right. So they could Disclose in my lifetime.
It could! We’re on a completely new path.
Yes, I’m hoping.... I am hoping it happens. I want to see it.
Me too, I would love it.
I want to see human beings on Mars. Obviously we have a certain
fascination with Mars. When we get back, we’ll show some
If you could make this clear for me... once we went to a new line,
Timeline, everything has to change. I mean, how is it possible that
things from the other line can pop out in our new lines?
talking at once]
Well, reality... reality. [audience overtalking Dan] All right.
Reality, as I understand it is...
Stop. Stop. [everyone talking] All right. Thank you, but could I
have you please repeat your question?
The question is that once we have changed the Timeline, it’s
like changing a railroad track, we go to a different direction. So
therefore I don’t quite get it, how is it possible if we have
avoided already one catastrophe... so we are already on a different
train track. How is it possible that still future events can hop onto
the next track?
Right, I don’t personally view it because of the contact with
the J-Rods that they are separate physical Newtonian tracks as in
physical... like if I drop this, it’s going to move toward the
center of the Earth – Newtonian tracks.
is more a quantum issue that has actually leapt over into our
reality, that our reality is actually a multiverse reality, yet the
transducers that we have in our heads are allowing us to see only one
of the universes.
other words, as he understood it and told me, which was quite
mind-blowing to me, that when we pass away and these transducers are
no longer functioning, we then become part of the multiverse, and so
we find out that all of our other selves, even all of the other parts
of ourselves, and everyone else, are all together in one location.
That’s the unity which is underlying the system of reality, as
things can phase in, things can phase out, and we may be looking
across several Timelines at one another and may be actually reducing
by agreement with each other – while we’re on the other
side – reducing by agreement with each other what we’re
willing to accept as reality.
a rather complicated thing and if you don’t understand it,
you’re right with me, because I’ve been trying to
understand that as well. [to audience member] Yes, Sir.
I would like to make a comment.
I would like to make a comment.
[inaudible] The different dates, 2017 and 2218...
It could be there exists footage and nobody is aware, or very few
people are aware of, of parallel worlds.
Yeah. There is
footage of that from the Orion Cube. This Cube, which was given to
Eisenhower in 1954 as a gift, which was an exchange of technology at
the inception of the treaty process...
upon the user, that gift you could have some influence on. Your
personal disposition could cause what you were seeing to differ
because of the probabilistic nature of it. And there were parallel
issues seen which could not be subtracted out as just “probables”
of us here and now, so in fact that’s probably substantiated,
what you’re suggesting. And that also was a quantum
Do you think people are ready, if this… [inaudible] got to be
the people living ready for them or not?
Given what I saw last night, and what I saw here today, and even the
night before, the answer is: Yes.
Now, this gentlemen back here has been very patient.
[inaudible] Yes, ah...
Oh, another question from our friend. No, that’s great.
We’re looking at a four-minute window to a break.
What you’re saying is pretty much what I’m saying, or
what I was told on
the Internet about
He said that multiple universes exist, that every possibility in the
other universe exists. So that means that you have today this shirt,
but in other universe you choose other shirt, and in another universe
you have coffee in the morning or don’t have coffee in the
morning, and, you know...
Wait a minute now. I don’t... [laugher]
That’s what I wanted to ask, how you think about that.
Yes. [thoughtful pause] Yes. I can absolutely accept that within my
To say that some things from the other Timeline can be true in this
It can phase in and out. And I think that my agreement – given
that there’s a unity underlying all of reality – we may
have agreed to be, as Bill said, on this adventure together.
And that is a really cool thing.
I look at it a little bit differently, and I’m not sure if
this makes sense or not.
But I’m seeing it as facets.
Look at a big gemstone... and you cut all these beautiful, beautiful
facets in the big gemstone, beautiful facets, and every time you look
into the gemstone, it’s a little bit different. Now, how you
look into the gemstone is how you see the gemstone, but, it’s
still the same gemstone.
maybe when we’re looking at the gemstone here
[indicates a slant, then moves position]... and now we’ve made
changes. Now we’re looking at [indicates straight position]
this section of the gemstone. It’s the same gemstone.
Mm hm. When we finish after the break, we’re going to show you
some images that you might enjoy seeing. We have images here with us
of the Solfeggio,
which is our latest eBook that’s available on our website.
foreword is by Leonard Horowitz, Dr. Leonard Horowitz. See? So, if
anybody asks about emerging viruses, issues like that, Leonard and we
have a regular communication stream. We’re aware. We are aware
and we’re just trying to be responsible with everything. [to
audience member] Yes.
you share a point of view with David Wilcock on his overview
regarding 2012? Or do you have, obviously, a different point of view?
I’m not understanding the...
I don’t understand.
Let me ask it: Do you agree with David Wilcock on his opinion about
possible 2012 and...
Ah... specifically which opinion?
Well, he’s very optimistic.
Oh, yes. Yes. Well, we had some personal fear when we walked in on
the morning of March 28, 2009, that the Pacific Ocean may be greeting
us in a Las Vegas valley. We still knew in our hearts that we were
going to survive, and that is exactly what we believe. [to audience
member] Yes, Sir.
This is a simple question about the treaties. Can you elaborate
which nations have participated and how their members have been
The representatives were selected via the Committee of the Majority
interaction with the United Nations. The person who actually brokered
the political agreement creating the Committee of the Majority, and
bringing the treaty system even more into an internationalized view,
was Indira Gandhi.
of the UN nations are treaty signatories to the
OF-9 and Tau IX Treaties.
However, they probably won’t tell you openly this.
So it’s a lot of countries, then?
And within the countries, do you know how the representatives have
The representatives were selected at the times that the countries
actually came into the information. The U.S. sat on it for a long
period of time as a military issue. It was only in 1953, when the
actual first Aquarius Project was formed, that they became certain
that there were time travelers.
to that, I think it was 1941 or ’42 at Cape Girardeau... has
anybody heard of that? A crash in Missouri? There was actually a
Huffman, a Reverend,
who gave last rites over some crashed beings – beings
– and no one understood at the time why he was giving last
rites to them. He was giving last rites to them because there was a
communication underway as they were dying that they were human
beings, therefore the issue of last rites, as within our culture, was
appropriate for them, that they actually sought it out via
communication with him.
a number of countries and how those delegates were picked was via
communication with the nation-states at the time, and then those
individual nation-states selected individuals to the Committee of the
Majority, and then they became parties to the treaty.
Ladies and gentlemen, I was told to please engineer a break at 11:00
and it’s 11:01.
minute intermission, workshop resumes]
A question was asked during the break concerning the appearance of
the J-Rod. I was asked: Well,
the J-Rod solid?
the J-Rod was solid, but the J-Rod also appeared off-shifted
in a strange way. That’s
about the best I can explain it. I don’t really have words to
indicate it save maybe to say he didn’t appear as though he
can look across the table and see another human being across the
table and we know we belong here. There was something... Aside from
what he looked like and how the communication was underway, there was
just something wrong, and I think that something
was a separation issue.
Actually this is a segue and a very good relational question because
I was asked at the break if I could propose a question to Dan on
behalf of one of the members of the Ground Crew. She would like to
know more about the occasion in the Clean Sphere when you were suited
up and you happened to have a procedural break wherein the J-Rod
stepped toward you out of the procedural format and you stepped
backward, catching your foot.
Well, you know what? [to Marci] I’m going to go ahead and put
you on the spot first, then, with this...
...which will ultimately probably not weigh well for me, but tell
them about the first time that we met at
[laughs] Well, all right, all right. The question actually segues,
but the full question was: The communication that took place at that
moment, could you elaborate slightly?
The very first time that I met Dan was in 1980...
You’ll understand in a moment why I asked her.
...at a party. I had been actually taken around Europe, taken around
different parts of the United States and different parts of the world
because my family was trying to introduce me to “the right
people.” I didn’t know at the time that my father was a
Majestic courier under the Forrestal
He was required to go from country to country to country carrying
sensitive Majestic documents, but I never knew that.
they wanted me to... they were grooming me. So I happened to be at a
party at Vashti
farm up in northern England, Scotland.
It was called Western Cumbersheeny [googled it, looked around on a
map of the Cumbernauld area and did not find anything, so the
spelling of this is just unclear] It was technically up in the
area of Scotland.
And this party... actually
the father of Vashti
was the gentleman with whom Dan was staying in England and studying
microbiology, working with him under his tutelage as a young man of
my father’s, so he brought Dan to the party. I was having a
wonderful time and I noticed this rather gangly 16-year-old young
...looking at me.
His eyes went like that. [makes a wide-eyed expression]
A red-haired goddess walked in.
Oh... well, I was a lot younger and... [laughter] Anyway, he managed
to step backwards toward the kitchen door opening and put his foot
right into a silver trashcan, at which point he stumbled backwards
right through into the kitchen... [makes falling flat gesture;
audience laughs] That’s how I first remember him, and then met
him. So when he fell backwards in the Clean Sphere, it was no
It was for different reasons, though. I was not taken by the J-Rod
as I was taken by you. [laughs] It was a whole different series of
emotions, trust me.
happened is when we were introduced, we would go through medical
checks, be actually suited, initially deconned
and then placed in a gantry ramp and wheeled over to the Clean
Sphere. We would then have to hose into the Clean Sphere, open up air
lines and emergency ducts, and also do communications checks.
all of this was going on, I was supposed to be having all of the
information about what I was supposed to do inside there already
memorized, look good doing it, because if you didn’t, the
number Two Channel that was going up to the surveillance unit inside
of S4 would be telling you to get back to work. And then I would be
introduced into the Clean Sphere. I was to step to the right.
was an anthropomorphic symbol, a symbol of a human being giving
[demonstrates friendly wave of hand]... a friendly symbol, which
a real joke for Chi'el'ah because I would stand there and go like
this [raises hand to wave hello] and he would be laughing at me while
I did it. [laughter]
then I was supposed to do the “bridal step” toward him,
indicating that I was a friend stepping toward him inside of the unit
that I had mentioned before for the linguistics, the Sigma Unit’s
protocols. So I would do a “bridal step”. [demonstrates]
he got a little cheeky
one day with me, and as I took a step forward, he took a step
forward. Now, I kind of suppressed my emotions about it at that
point, because no matter how friendly he was with me and I was with
him – even unbeknownst to Majestic in there and the operations
team, how much we were talking amongst each other – he was
still who he was and I was still
who I was... and he was handling who I was a lot easier than what I
was handling who he was.
then summoned my guts up and took another “bridal step”
forward. And when he stepped forward again at me, still laughing at
me – and I could hear him laughing through me as I kind of felt
like I was falling toward him – I panicked. I had this visceral
response. I panicked and I stepped backward. As I stepped backward I
hit either my right or my left shoe, I don’t remember which, to
be honest; however, that video, I hope to God, is never played.
[laughter] But I stepped backward and caught one of my heels on one
of the grates. As I did so, I fell over backward.
I was in a very unwieldy suit which was slightly too small for me. I
was in a woman’s totally encapsulated... essentially Moon suit.
I’m not that big of a guy and the only thing that would fit me,
the only totally encapsulated unit that would fit me there, was the
one female biowarfare suit that they had. So they would fit the bell
on me and it was slightly too short on me, so the bell would actually
press down on the top of my head with a ring on the inside of the
bell, and it was actually painful. It was also very difficult to
walk... essentially an Apollo-type Moon suit that one would expect.
when I fell over backward I was lying...
He looked like a cockroach.
A cockroach [flailing his arms] doing this business. [laughter]
Well, when I began reaching out... I was panicking, as it was, when I
fell backward and I began stretching my arms out trying to right
myself. At that point he continued to step toward me and actually
walked up onto my chest.
I’m in a worse panic, but he began to entrain me and raise the
Hertz level that he was entraining me with, to begin flooding me with
opiates, with which to calm me.
To calm him down... [inaudible]
To calm me. Now, I knew at that moment that I was okay. Well, you
have enough opiates flooding your brain, you’re going to think
you’re okay anyway, no matter what. But I felt fine.
then I was listening at that same time between Channel 1 and Channel
2, flipping back and forth inside of the bell, because I could hear
it literally ringing inside of the bell from my earpiece that they
were preparing to change the pressure inside of the Clean Sphere to
harm the J-Rod.
is how they... It’s a process called intumescence,
where they would actually cause pain by changing the atmospheric
pressure. You know, if you fly your ears might hurt?
they can change the pressure enough to cause extreme pain to the
body, and his body was of less density – and I don’t mean
as some people have described third, fourth and all that density;
that’s a little bit beyond my understanding – as in
mass-over-volume-density, physical density. He was of less density
than what we are, given his physical conditions under which he grew.
So they were getting ready to fire the repress valves in there.
They were getting ready to hurt him severely.
Yes. To knock him off of me. They thought I was being attacked. I
may have been, but it was not with a negative intention from him.
then fell back into... I was lying down. I’m saying I drifted
back into what he was communicating, and had very little command over
what I was doing at that point. The communication went on for some
time and all I remember seeing are streams of...
to Ground Crew member] Can you put Zurich 15 up, if you please? Thank
you very much. There it is... streams of that. [picture of very
is what their shadow
actually looks like, or looked,
depending upon your personal consideration about what happened to
them. I’d like to think looks,
because he had a boy and I hope that he’s at home with his son
has presently in Las Vegas 450 diary volumes full of that.
What does this represent?
That is in fact the
of the J-Rods. They would hold their hands – some of you can
see the shadow here? – under a projected light and they would
actually communicate as a passing screen was recording it.
language is composed of three separate parts: a central feature
reading from right to left, but a central feature which is either an
ideogram or a constant, and then vowels.
if you see items like this, for instance from the P24 crafts, the
I-beams from Roswell, those are actually vowels
that are on the I-beam. [pointing to screen]
got 450 volumes of it. Most of the time that he was downloading the
information, it simply streamed into my brain looking as what you see
here. This was written by me from right to left, and if you think of
450 diary volumes full of it, that is what Marcia is the caretaker
wrote it, actually?
Yes. It has been projected into a negative for the purpose of the
showing today because Stan
the former chief psychologist for the Consistory of the Majestic
suggested that it might be less—I don’t know why—less
concern was this: I had a concern about showing this at all. Marcia
wanted me to show it. I was concerned that being an abductee myself,
that some of you may have seen something of this nature. In fact,
this was planned to be shown the first night, the first interview,
but everything was somewhat moved, derailed and shifted and changed
in the conversation.
So this was actually written as a
black on white paper. It’s all written with black on white
I had this streaming in, and at the same time I found myself inside
of what appeared to be another reality, a 3-D hologram, like a
holodeck from Star
and was being shown other items... for instance his home; items
concerning historical items, which I honestly have to... Our own
historical items, which I have to be very careful about because there
are many perspectives in this room, and I don’t wish to offend
anyone, so I will be very reticent to speak about certain things.
instance, we don’t go to religious issues. I feel that we’re
put here to understand one another and to exist with separate
religions – this is my personal feeling – to exist with
separate religions so that we can understand God via our differences
and where we can find common ground. So the specific items that he
may have shown me concerning that genre, I would be very reticent
He showed you images of his home.
He did. His planet, his society, his school, where he functioned. He
showed me the
[Gliese 581] where they departed from, and many other things.
is in fact [points to lines on screen] part of the actual
decode which contained the March 28, 2009 date. It was cut off
because... well, the line just continued, so I took it where it
mentions March 28, 2009, but I should not – I beg your
forgiveness – I should not say where
it says March 28, 2009 in it. That will provide a potential for a
linguist’s primer as to how to read their language.
if they have been part of us but were separated as a partition from
our species, this language may never officially exist, even though
you’re seeing it. It may never officially exist.
it is decodable from what we have up here, then so be it, we’ve
shown you the truth to that extent. So be it. But we should not give
a dictionary: this is what an “A” looks like, this is
what a “B” looks like. That would be a very bad idea,
personally, I feel right now. At least right now. I mean, my opinions
could change but personally... [to audience member] Yes, Sir?
Can you read it yourself?
Yes sir. Marcia has, in fact, had me... This was the inception of
the big problem for March 28, 2009, save the date itself. This
indicated March 28, 2009. This is actually the transliteration into
English, the best one that we could form.
you may see the word at the start...
That’s what he personally called me because I was asked about
my childhood when he was talking to me about his childhood, and I
told him that I was a great fan of Cecil
a cartoon, a US cartoon.
In the United States, a cartoon back in the ’50s and ’60s.
I used to watch it, too. It was cute.
Earth was referred to as E-R-T. This is actually the date for three
days, and it placed it at MARSAY
MARS-A] which is March.
was his way of speaking about Great Britain, and that’s why I
said the only country on the Net... in tight [or type] testimony, the
only country that was actually named in this was England. But that is
how they remembered the name for England. It was just called E-N-G.
Well, you have to think what do we exactly know and remember from
2000 years ago? How much do we? We weren’t there, so how much
do we really remember and know? How about if you were to try to
remember what happened 52,000 years ago? How much would we know for
sure and remember? We would have at best bits and pieces of it. I
think it’s the same type of thing.
And this was the greatest concern, too. The greatest concern for us
was March 28, 2009... we’re talking a 52,000 year difference.
Does this describe catastrophe?
Yes. In fact it says: Join
no more sea,
a specific indication concerning the moment of the beginning of the
catastrophe which would result in our partitioning. But the thing
which gave me hope, great hope when I read it, was Time
– that’s us, the cavemen and women – Time
Ancients must decide joining.
And that’s all of us.
We have to decide. This is up to us.
And when that was decoded with it -- that gave me a great deal of
hope for our future.
What was the catastrophe about? ... [inaudible]... forward looking
The catastrophe was approximated with the use of a wormhole access
technology on Earth which then caused a between 1-and-4-degree
geophysical Pole shift of the planet Earth. The mantle and crust
slid. It was an aesthenosphere
where it slid and some waters actually poured out, some of the mantle
waters under high pressure that have been discovered, poured out as
well, and there was a great inundation.
one individual walked up after the interview and showed me a
photograph of a rainbow. And
that’s the one thing, a rainbow, that personally, from my own
personal history, that has really lifted me up inside, emotionally,
spiritually, lifted me up. His bow and the clouds.
rainbow in the clouds.
We were promised in the Hebrew holy books that we would not be
destroyed by water again.
And the evidence of the rainbow in the clouds gave us great hope.
So anyway, the download, the majority of it, looked and looks like
this. And so Marcia has had me decoding now, slowly moving through
the books and decoding the diaries. I didn’t know what I was
writing when I wrote it. It was simply shoved in and then pushed back
out onto the papers.
Were you in a trance when you wrote this, or can you translate it?
No. I can go page by page only somewhat now. It’s starting to
Let me give you an example.
I can only remember so much.
When Dan reads, because of the way that his mind is wired to
function and designed, he does not read so much as memorize. For
example, when on one occasion, I needed to go to a certain image in
order to facilitate the research, I asked him if he could remember
what book it came from, and he went: The book name, the book page,
halfway up the page, located at this shelf over to the right, this
level of the library, there. I went: Huh?
I went there.
I’m not special, I’m just different.
I went there. I went to the book. I opened the book up. I opened up
the page and there was the image.
Now, perhaps these ladies and gentlemen would like to hear you on
the morning of March 28, 2009. Now, I had previously indicated –
I’m not sure if this was before everybody came into the room or
not – that you might hear some mean tones out of Marcia.
had people that were present who helped sign the treaties. We lured
them. With them not knowing that March 28, 2009 was the date, we
lured them to Las Vegas and had them put up in hotels in Las Vegas.
We made sure Stephen and Brian were in charge of the operation. We
made sure because
had enough people there that they would be unable to leave the night
before the meeting. I don’t want to...
They were our guests.
They were our guests whether they wished to remain our guests or
not. [laughter] Another reason is, a couple of the people that we had
present were those who had my name added to the treaty system as
We were pretty upset about that.
Well, yeah, because I never assented to my name being added to the
treaty system, but...
I wanted to make sure they had a ringside seat. [laughter]
They had a series of western-facing rooms between 15 and 25 floors
up. We did, in fact, have the bolts removed from the windows in this
particular hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada. In case they would happen to
see the oceans coming from the West, they were welcome to leave their
room by any means other than the room’s door. [laughter]
They were not real happy with us.
If humanity was going to drown like rats, so were they.
is the status of the treaty?
The treaty is going to be expunged at the end of 2020. We were told
right before the operation happened where Marcia actually had me
extracted. She and I were having conversations about that and we said
we can’t wait another twelve years. We’d waited 18 years
to be together – 18. Add another twelve to that? We wanted some
life left in us, and not to be held apart any further, and so we took
the risk. She took the risk that day.
We figured that they would be too busy with the formation of the new
group, the new group of Illumes that came into the five councils.
There are five separate councils, five councils that are called the
of the Illuminati. I cannot officially name them, meaning who is
seated at the heads of those five councils, or that would be
considered something that they would directly eliminate me for.
I’ve got to be honest: Marcia and I do want a future together
for ourselves, too. If we can do anything from behind the scenes to
get them outed by other means, that could happen, but directly naming
them... nobody appointed me, and even if they did, it doesn’t
matter. I’m not somebody who’s willing to spread his arms
out and have nails put in them. I’m just a human being and I
just want a life with my wife, so I’m doing the best I can.
[applause] Thank you. [to audience member] Yes, Sir.
What is the best way to learn more about the content of the
treaties? Are there records somewhere, or have you spoke in
Not much. Not much. Marcia and I have been considering doing an
entire DVD concerning the specific content. We just haven’t
gotten to it yet. It’s a matter of time. We’ll get a copy
of this record. I’m sure I’ll remember it and we’ll
consider doing it. The next DVD I think she wants us to do is about
The next DVD I actually have asked him to do is a line-by-line
examination of the Q-94 document with attendant science.
There have been criticisms of that document. Let me find something
here, briefly… There we are.
of the criticisms of the document have come from unnamed sources. One
person was allegedly the head of a medical school on the east coast
of the United States and said: Oh,
this is just all gobbledy-gook.
to start with, if you sit in a chair as a professor, at least within
the United States... I can’t speak about other universities
around the world... there is a great deal of pressure to keep your
job, to conform to dogma.
the individual with whom I had a conversation about the Q-94 document
was a Ph.D. in neurophysiology. His name is, well, we’ll just
say Dr. Green, who is associated with people who are associated to a
group called the Aviary. Now remember what I said about the Aviary.
was, from Monday February 2, 2004, my birthday, a message that came
and that’s Bill Hamilton, a UFO researcher.
One more comment and message for Dr. Dan.
I wish to offer Dr. Dan Burisch a happy 40th birthday. May you one
day be recognized for your work. Dr. Green wrote, “It would be
foolish for me to ask about a specific area of molecular biology in
which I am not as advanced as is he, Dan. His writings on profound
biochemical and genetic postulates are beyond my single medical
school course in pathophysiology.”
when I refused, right around the same time that I refused to buy into
the garbage, the disinformation coming from the Aviary
having to do with Serpo
– Oh, right! It’s right out of a Stargate
movie – with Serpo,
with what mysteriously happened at Gate 3, yet they couldn’t
find even our names in a search string prior to us going to CalTech
to speak and our names were on the CalTech website.
For about a year.
Well, you can still find the abstract there. They have such deep
contacts, they claim, inside the United States government that they
can’t do a simple search on the Internet? Something wrong here!
Now all of a sudden, it’s allegedly all gobbledy-gook.
We won’t buy in, so suddenly they change their tone.
So, what I’ve been asking ever since that day is: Who
is the person saying this?
Because this person was allegedly a female doctor, head of a medical
school, and member of the National Academy of Sciences. Oh, boy! Give
me her name because I’m going to marry her to her comments,
going to go line by line, one way or the other, through the Q-94
document and we will reference the comments in the Q-94 document to
published peer-reviewed literature. So let them keep talking. [to
audience member] Yes sir.
You mentioned Serpo
just then. What do you make of that whole...?
Is it true?
No. It’s total garbage.
There was no exchange program like that.
this was a way to...
who went through...
No, no, no.
I wrote a story about it. [laughs]
[talking over Dan] This story’s all over the place, but it’s
I know, I know. I’m sorry. If you wrote a story about it, you
obviously referenced the individuals who were claiming things.
There’s nothing wrong with that. I wrote about it, too. The
is an old K-4, and old NATO K-4 code that they appropriated. The
individuals involved in the Aviary are well aware of that, at least
one of them, because he was involved in the military... well, a
couple of them were. But it’s an old K-4
code that was written backward, the word Opres,
the word for Operation
the same time that we were coming up with the information that we
were coming up with, and told to tell the truth to the public, what
they were doing is that they were doing a rehearsal to see how much
garbage they could purvey on you. [laughter] [to audience member]
What venue is the connection between these councils of Majestic –
Scion – and top government officials, heads of state?
If you go to the Project Camelot website, the signed affidavits
sworn under penalty of perjury... we placed our liberty on the line.
We placed our liberty on the line for this. If anyone wishes to
challenge those affidavits anywhere in the world, as long as we’re
appropriately transferred to those locations, we’re happy to do
one of those affidavits I named the names of the last Twelve, who are
the seated last Twelve. As a follow-on to that, as Scion took over,
the number was reduced from twelve to nine individuals. Those
individuals... I’m in approximately the same position about
naming those individuals as what I am concerning the five
I can’t ask him to go there because of safety and security
reasons for us.
Can I ask a question about
[to audience member] Yes, Sir, I saw you.
You mentioned Bill Hamilton. I have a question about what you
mentioned yesterday about reverse-engineering for, you know, free
I understand from an interview that Project Camelot did with Gordon
Novel that he’s supposedly doing the same and since I’ve
heard his name on that also, I’m trying to put the facts
together. Are there different groups trying to reverse-engineer
stuff? Are they disconnected or the same people involved in different
Okay. We’re going to go ahead and get difficult here. Everyone
knows or may know about the issues that I’ve had with one Mr.
George Knapp of KLAS-TV8. All right. He and I had an issue which
occurred in 1990, and he’s had some issues with me ever since.
I love the guy. He’s a good jovial investigative reporter, kind
as an aside...
was a panel in 1990. He tried to pin Dan down about a statement about
where he was working, which was at the time Area 51, and he was a big
company man. I’m not going to talk about it. He tried to pin
him down about it, and Dan was ready for him, and he embarrassed him
in front of a whole live audience, and George has never forgiven him.
I was a company man at the time. I didn’t even know that ETs
existed, not for sure. I had been abducted out of the park, but I
really didn’t know what happened way earlier in 1973. I only
really learned about what happened many years later.
so I was thinking at the time that I was simply working for the
United States government, via the United States military. It was a
defense issue, a biological defense issue, is what I was thinking. So
I was basically telling him: Why
are you opening your mouth with such a beautiful flag standing behind
– meaning ’Ole Glory was standing there at the end of our
panel post, our flag, and it irritated the man. And I also, well...
It was a little bit more than that.
who was the planetarium coordinator for the Clark County area did a
stunt with me where he said: I’m
going to tell the truth about you, Dan.
WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF GEORGE AS GEORGE SAID: I’ve
got information on you, Dr. Crain,
that you are part of the Saucer Program.
then Dale Etheridge looked over at me and he says... and we’ll
get to Gordon here in a moment – “a
I’m not going to say the
Gordon; I’m going to say “a
You’re going to hear “a Gordon” in a few moments,
actually hear him on our answering machine. [laughter, audience
raised this bag up from under – it was a preset joke –
raised this bag from out underneath the table.
got the goods here on you, Dr. Crain.
fine. Show the goods, show the goods.
he pulled out an Alf doll. You know the old Gordon
the little Alf creature, the alien life form creature that liked to
you are, George. There’s your extraterrestrial.
that was a very embarrassing thing for George because we were
laughing. We were laughing at it, at the time.
I had no idea. So I was a very, you
company man. I was a lot more brash at that time, and I was a lot
more willing to deal with him that way.
So he never exactly forgave Dan.
Right. Now, the reason why you’re being told this is, George
indicated that he never called my home... and I’m going to get
to Gordon, but George indicated that he never called my home.
you be so kind as to bring up the GK [talking to slide
projectionist]. Yes, if you please, Oh one says GK and one says GN.
Go figure. Okay, the one on the right-hand side, if you would be so
kind. From 1991, Ladies and Gentlemen.
of George Knapp audio message from Dan’s telephone, muffled,
European AK 42 I don’t know what to tell you, …
Dictaphone, Dictaphone … give me a call …
He claims he never called me. [audio clip played again] He had some
inside information and he got ahold of my home phone number [audio
still playing] Okay. Thank you.
we are moving to EBE – Extraterrestrial Biological Entity. Now
we’re going to move forward into 2009. [Marcia in background
writes on board: J scribble EBE K.] Would you be so kind as to do the
GN – whomever that may be – the GN 2009 wave files?
Here is coercion coming.
you also have the volume up slightly? It was pretty much down.
phone recording] Dan,
this is Gordon. I’m getting ready to leave Vegas and I had
lunch with your old buddy George Knapp and I’m not going to
mention any of our faux pas.
It would be so good of him not to mention it.
I wanted to do was to thank you for the Shirley
brilliant and excellent.
I would like meet this Goldstein and Dan Steele if they’re
Forget it. What
recording continues] ...I
hear that they’re incredible and some of it’s real. So
I’m sure you know what Mr.
Knapp has to say,
etcetera, etcetera, but we still want to talk business, and we can’t
do business without talking business. It seems to me to be mandatory
to be able to talk about what you can deliver and find out what
you’re offering, and...
[answering machine voice cuts in, giving date and time] Tuesday,
He ran out of tape time. [recording begins again; Dan speaks to
sound engineer: That’s fine. Thank you.] He ran out of tape
time. He just kept talking, and our answering machine eventually just
cut off, thank God.
what happened was, we met with “a certain Gordon” –
I’ll just say “a certain Gordon” because we’re
dealing with issues here – and he wanted to offer me to
back-engineer a Looking Glass device, as a time issue. And: We
the carbon dioxide sequestration; we’re not going to be playing
with these time issues.
should have learned by now. I mean, we’re capable, if we get
hit with a stick over our head enough, of learning.
also claims he does it for energy reasons.
He claims a lot of things. He claims it’s for energy but what
he wants is control. He wants control of energy and he wants control
of the technology that allows forward looking.
Now, we had agreed to meet “a certain Gordon” at Ellis
in Las Vegas for dinner.
He wanted to discuss business.
And this was a follow-on to that night where we were supposed to
have dinner. We walked up. He had a lovely lady with him, this
“certain Gordon” did. We began to have a conversation.
HE SAID: So
you two are getting married.
a certain divorce action was going on at the time and we were doing
everything we could to get that done with as quickly as possible
because of the issues involving the children that we’ve
I SAID: Yes,
next month we’re going to be married.
HE LOOKED OVER AT MARCIA AND SAYS: Well,
you’ve been concubining for a long time.
Yeah, he called me a whore.
I looked at her and asked her what her intentions were for me,
reference him, at that moment, whether or not she wished me to act in
certain ways toward Mr. No... toward “a certain Gordon”.
She indicated no. She told him that she had been deeply offended, and
I stood there and continued to wait to see what she wanted to
telegraph me to do.
APOLOGIZED AND THEN HE CAME BACK AND MADE ANOTHER SEXUALIZED COMMENT,
you’re more the sergeant anyway,
meaning a control issue involving our sexuality.
THAT POINT, SHE LOOKED AT ME IN HER LADYLIKE WAY AND SAID: Isn’t
it time for us to leave?
I SAID: Yes,
WHAT WE DID, SHE THEN LOOKED AT GORDON AND SHE SAID: Have
a good dinner, Gordon.
WE TURNED AROUND AND WALKED AWAY TO HIS YELLING: Hey
a follow-on, the next day, that recording arrived on our home
answering machine and you can see the use of the name George Knapp as
an issue of: Well,
I’m not going to talk anything about our faux pas.
But there was no faux
He acted like a...
Right. [Marcia laughs] Now, there are separate teams.
[inaudible audience comment] No, he is a dumb-ass.
[laughs] There are separate teams. There are separate teams
attempting to back-engineer said devices. He, in fact, is involved
with one of those teams and he doesn’t have the full device
specs. He wants to fly a disk. He does not have an inertial
integrator and injection unit. I happen to know how that’s put
Remember what I told you about his memory and how when he looks at a
schematic or he looks at a mechanical, he memorizes when he looks at
Now, this might be very irritating to some people. I actually have a
publication here which is being used by his group, “a certain
Is it available?
Oh, I don’t think it’s available via the Internet. It
was an unfunded study done by – I’m not going to name the
individual, but if I happen to lay it here people will see it or
whatever – by a Ph.D. out of Florida.
study’s name is Resolving
the Psycho-social Paradoxes Associated with Gravity Nullification,
Time Travel, and Propellantless Energy
by Blank, Blank, January 24, 2006. Very few individuals [in the
study]. It was basically a question-answer format and then this
certain Ph.D. came up with certain conclusions.
it’s the selection... it’s the unbiased selection... when
you do a real study like this, a sociological study, you have to have
an unbiased selection of individuals.
there is a very strong leaning in this paper on quotes such as this:
people commute to work. Duh,
since larger industries would break down with the elimination of
fossil fuel, people might be more inclined to remain in their
communities and thus would be a breeding ground for fanaticism.
to Brian O’Leary about the reality involved with this, because
this is, in my personal view, a line of garbage. That’s my
personal view of this because, as I said, we have a birthright. This
is associated with “a certain Gordon’s” group, “a
certain Gordon” is associated with the Aviary,
which does not have your best interests at heart, in my personal
“A certain Gordon” is trying to back-engineer or
Power, power, power.
He’s trying to gather power and influence by creating a flight
device based upon back-engineered specs, but he doesn’t have
all the specs. He knows that somebody in this room has memorized
specs, mechanical drawings, everything that he wants. He’s been
approaching, pleading with Dan to help his project.
He wrote an email: Oh,
you gave up a lot of money and a lot of power.
That’s what he said to us.
Well I didn’t... I came close to telling him to stuff his
money and his power.
audience members talking at once]
you take… [inaudible] other measures?
my question was
about Bill Hamilton.
[answering inaudible question buried in overtalk above] That’s
I didn’t say it.
No, I’m just saying that’s his choice. If he wishes to
take other measures, if you mean maybe even toward us, because “a
certain Gordon” has a certain bravado?
That’s his choice. We have team members, too.
Remember, my question was initially specifically about the role of
Bill Hamilton. Remember he was
close with you about, and also about his book.
Bill Hamilton is a very intelligent, big-hearted, good man.
on Gordon’s team, is he not?
No, no. Okay, let me tell you about “a certain Gordon’s”
team. “A certain Gordon’s” team doesn’t
exist. Okay? “A certain Gordon’s” team is an email
loop that contains about everybody on the face of the Earth except
for maybe the people in this room. I was on the email loop and I was
never a part of “a certain Gordon’s” team.
He kept saying that Dan was involved in the elite part of his
...he’s calling something like Knights
I talked to the guy and I said: Take
him off your email loop. There is no contract, there is no agreement,
you have given no consideration, there has been no agreement to
associate with you. You simply asked us to listen to a proposal. We
listened to your proposal.
And he didn’t get it. He still doesn’t get it.
Well, most of the emails have ceased now because, at least for a
time, we put all of his emails and that phone call on the open
Internet, so everybody could hear it.
Why did you do that?
We were tired of it.
Including all of this business of, you know:
You turned down all this power and this money,
and even an admission of what he called her. We just put it on the
Internet because I was frankly sick of getting harassed by this guy.
We finally ordered him to stop harassing us.
[to audience member] Yes, Sir.
you ever had experience with remote viewing?
No. I did in fact use some remote viewing results for Lotus because
on more than one occasion with Lotus I got to the point where I did
not know where we were going with it because it’s such a
strange phenomenon. Debra, in fact, my former wife, was the
break for change of tape; audience member asks about Bill Hamilton
His name in fact was in an email group – we’re talking
about Bill Hamilton – was in an email loop with “a
certain Gordon”. However, aside from... well, I don’t
want to get into personal issues involving Bill. Ah... I’m just
weighing something here. He indicated to me in an email that he
didn’t really expect much from him. All right? He’s a
good man; Bill Hamilton is a good man. [to audience member] Yes, Sir.
Thank you. I feel like I should turn off my cloaking device.
And you’ve not asked any previous questions whatsoever during
Yes, I was wondering on the treaty question, that who guarantees the
treaty for the, let’s say, the P54 or 52, or whatever. As you
said, there’s no, or not too many records or whatever you said.
he may have had to sign... [audience member talks over Dan]
there is a
treaty there has to be some guarantee that the treaty will be kept.
guarantees do you want?
So what guarantee is there for them to, you know?
What are you saying... what’s in it for them to keep the
No. For us. What guarantee that we will keep, you know, our side of
Well, some of which were the handing over of heirlooms...
issues involved détente between the signatories. As long as
was in existence, a hot war would not break out. There have been a
few issues about people firing at people, including US authorities
firing at certain craft, and you may have seen certain STS videos of
projectiles being fired up through the atmosphere at craft.
were some hot war provocations. They were violating... there was a
specific one that I remember seeing where there was actually a
violation and they were not supposed to have a number of craft in our
atmosphere. They came in with an extra craft and a shot was fired at
them, a couple of shots, I believe. There was a right-angle turn on a
craft, and you can see it exiting off over the limb
the Earth. [to audience member] Sir.
I understand you are a microbiologist.
Have you had any new information on cancer?
[Marci consults with Dan] Would you hand this to the gentleman,
please? [hands paper to questioner]
Ladies and gentlemen, I have been advised about the requirements of
the hotel and the room. We are only going to have 5 minutes. [to Dan]
You wanted to hear this tape.
Of you? Okay.
speaks with sound engineer: This is going to be Zurich 2009. Okay,
that would be... Go ahead and run with the photograph of Marcia.
Let’s try it. That’s it, if you want to hear her that
an audiotape of the morning of March 28, 2009, while we were
addressing the individuals that we had as guests in Las Vegas,
Nevada, the morning and the moment that the T2 event was supposed to
[audiotape plays; sound quality not clear]
began that simple unity flyer program while… [unclear] were
being produced. We did this so we would meet or exceed that pre-set
Looking Glass quota and the… [unclear]. We accomplished the
first goal by September 2006. And do you know the expected way
information spread? The last numbers… [unclear] by the end of
2008. [Unclear]… We actually surpassed that number by the
middle of 2008 due to the other events that drew attention to Dan and
next number of… [unclear] remains the embodiment of…
[unclear] means… [unclear] that
are the human species for which that wonderful
decision, that moment of bifurcation, the moment of collective truth,
the time that the cycles cross, moment when we must focus upon the…
[unclear] solutions of all of fragile life here every one of you. We
shall survive this time the cycles cross, the time of the predicted
catastrophe of Fulcanelli and reality has chosen to refuse the path
that would lead us to schism. We have refused to perish in the
wilderness. We are destined as children of the stars.
That was cut off.... you heard that little wisp at the end. That was
the team and those assembled, the good guys, whistling and stomping
and all of that, but we‘ve tried to cut most of the team’s
voices off, for their own lives. Most of them are retired now. That
gives you an idea. [applause] Thank you, thank you. [to audience
member] Yes, Ma’am.
I have two questions. The first one is the Omnicron
Treaty was scheduled for 2009.
I was just wondering if that happened, or if it’s on schedule,
or if it happened, what was the outcome? Or if it hasn’t
That was... it has not happened. They were no-shows. They didn’t
show up for it.
And second question, I was wondering if there are any other treaties
or communications in place, other forms of black... [inaudible]
None to my knowledge, Ma’am. Thank you. [to another audience
member] Yes, Sir.
idea that I have, I don’t know if it’s true, if we can
refer to it. Could it be that you’re a little bit sidetracked?
Because, the thing is actually, you’re talking with J-Rods? As
far as I know, visitors from the future are Grays. I’ve been
working with the Grays. They are pretty tough stuff, but the real
danger out there is the Anunnaki, the reptilians. I mean, these are
the real danger for the future of humanity. I mean, in the whole
story, I hope these don’t come back and...
Well, I can speak to the issue of Anunnaki being a Sumerian
influence, or a cultural archetype, or gods of their belief system.
can speak to the reptilian issue because while being entrained by P45
J-Rod, they appear due to their neuropathy, their stance, their
[word unclear] disease stance, to be very lurching and extremely
reptilian in appearance.
from that, I cannot account for any of the other accounts concerning
alleged Grays of non-human lineage. I don’t have that
information and I cannot account for that. After 20 years of working
with the folks that were under affidavits, signed as having worked
with, it was not in our standard operating procedures or protocols.
was never spoken about, save – and no ill intent or umbrage to
be taken – save I heard a lot of the senior operators
snickering about the folklore that was injected into the UFOlogical
communities worldwide. And that doesn’t mean that it’s
don’t know everything. All I know is what I’ve
experienced and what I’ve learned during my 45 years.
As part of this disinformation about Serpo...
it’s part of the story also that the Zetas are cooperating with
the U.S. Army. Is that part of disinformation or is that true?
Well, I wouldn’t call them Zetas
because they’ve never called themselves that, the ones of which
I’m aware, anyway. But I’m not aware that they call
like... I met an individual and I don’t want to apply a label
to that individual that he would not want to apply to himself, like I
wouldn’t want a label applied to me. The cooperation was
has been extensive, with more than one branch of the United States
and what I would call foreign militaries, militaries from other
nation-states... extensive cooperation. [to another audience member]
One minute, Ladies and Gentlemen, thank you.
just wanted to ask you if you can confirm some images that are around
on the Internet that
P52… [inaudible] look like, because even if you draw ...
There are no, to my understanding, actual images of an
extraterrestrial placed on the Internet. None.
You mean it’s all disinformation?
Ah...I don’t know what the intent...
[talking over Dan] I have not seen every image on the Internet.
Okay. I don’t know what the intent is. For instance, if
somebody looks at a picture and they truly believe that that’s
what they saw, or they draw it, then that’s what they believe
that they saw and I’m not going to impeach that for any reason.
However, photographs, to our knowledge, videos of them? None.
To our knowledge, none have been
And I would give my canine eyeteeth for one.
Do they exist?
Oh yes, the photos exist. Yes.
The one they operated on. What about that one? They showed it...
The operation... the autopsy.
Oh... the alien autopsy business?
I’ve looked at that film very closely. That appears to be a
reverse-engineered autopsy of a dead human being. [audience laughter]
In other words, my best guess is that a cadaver was lying in a prone
form on her
tummy, had her back opened up, items placed inside, including phony
organs, etcetera, turned over, and then they came in.
of these individuals, none of them who walked in with an alleged
alien would have been dressed as you saw dressed. None of them. It
was totally hokey to me. That’s the best word I could use. It
just looked hokey and it frankly upset me a great deal because the
polydactylist female – I believe there was more than five
fingers – yeah, a normal human genetic condition, polydactyly
as well as syndactyly. But... No.
one thing, there was a... about there being a… [unclear] I
think about 50 cm and about his dressing, the Russians did the
autopsy too? And I think they don’t dress like, you know, or,
you same, in a fancy suit or expensive suits?
Bill Uhouse correctly testified to a P45 J-Rod at the Los Alamos
National Laboratory with whom he worked for the use of diagnostic
equipment for propulsion and avionics systems. I saw the benefit
given to S4 of what he built, and in fact in our one DVD, his son,
Will, and myself talk about what Bill developed with the particular
J-Rod, the P45 J-Rod. That P45 J-Rod was onboard at the same time as
Chi'el'ah, the P52 that I met that crashed in 1953.
we’re running out of time?
At the end.
realize you don’t speak about things religious but…
a time traveler.
time travelers. [laughter] Now, wasn’t that diplomatic? Thank
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