David Icke - Jordan Maxwell
Brothers in Arms



May 2010



David Icke (DI): It seems from a, just a conscious five-sense level, that all is bloody lost. You look at the news, you look at the control system coming in, and if you only come from that perspective, then it... well, you know, it goes: Stick'em on, don't waste your time.

Jordan Maxwell (JM): That's right.

DI: And yet, and yet, there's another dynamic, the source to sea dynamic, which has been picking the lock all along, you know. When I first awoke – started to awaken, because it's a process that goes on – I've met a psychic in 1990, and stuff came through her, all of which has turned out to be true.

And one of the things that was said to me through her was, it said I was gonna go out on the world stage and reveal great secrets and all that stuff. And, What are you talking about?, you know, I'm a television presenter. But one of the things it said was, the message said: No need for arduous searching. It was all basically arranged, a long time ago. The path is set, you just have to follow the clues.

JM: Yes.

DI: And when I look back at the last 20 years in my life, and which you must look at yours too, going back even longer in terms we're talking about, it has been like puzzle pieces just handed to you. And that's not happened for a bit of fun. Okay, we hand you a few puzzle pieces, and so you know a bit more. Okay, it's over now.

JM: No.

DI: No, it's leading somewhere.

JM: Hm-mm.

DI: And where it's leading is, this control system is, like everything, founded on a vibrational information blueprint. It's its foundation, and when that's unpicked, that control system must fall. And there are people who have come into this reality – or at least are looking into this reality, which I think would be more and more... do more likely – who have a specific interconnected role, in contributing to the unpicking of that blueprint.

And it's coming down! Its coming down. It's ... destiny, it is written, however people want to put it. It's coming down, and it will come down dramatically quickly once it reaches a certain point of being destabilized. And it's not gonna be brought down by protest in the street – although, you know, protest by all means as long as it's peacefully. It's not gonna be brought down, really, by things happening in this reality, although that might contribute.

It's gonna be brought down by unpicking this vibrational lock, this vibrational blueprint on which this reality has been seized, hijacked, suppressed and controlled.

Bill Ryan (BR): Jordan, what do you think ? Because you have not always felt as optimistic as that, have you ?

JM: I think David is right, but what he said originally I was totally in that category. I was looking at the world and saying, There is in fact no hope. Because the people, I think, humanity en masse, the human race, is not able to protect itself, it cannot set up any defense for itself.

It's like we talked about this morning, I look at the human race on the Earth as animals on the Serengeti plains of Africa: they're just out there by the thousands, just doing what they normally do – they're just in the sun with their offspring, trying to make a living, trying to stay alive, while the lions are creeping up on them.

Because this is why I... the good people have never been organized. Good people see no reason to get organized, it's only criminals that get organized. And the kind of people who are in power, are in power because they want that power. And they have sold their souls to get into that power position.

And the human race is just never going to be able to stand up against these kind of people who are organized and vicious in their pursuit. But... and that's why I've felt for so many years that it's just hopeless. And so what I wanted to do is just be able to – for the people who do want to know, for those people who are waking up and want to know – I want to be there to at least give them the best that I have been given, the best that I have been able to give, ah, to be given.

But I'm not doing it thinking that anybody's going to save this world, but... and I still have reservations about where we're ultimately going to end up as a human race. But there does seem to be some kind of a spiritual, other-world matrix at work. And that's what I'm really hoping for, is that we have cosmic companionship in what we're doing, and that there is something else going on, like the Knights Templar have said, As Above, So Below.

And I am beginning to believe that there is something to this idea that we are all not real, we're not doing this by ourselves.

BR: Well the idea of cosmic companionship is one that you've been telling us about for quite a long time, because you've had direct personal experience of this.

JM: Hm-mm, yes.

BR: So...

JM: And even...

BR: ...there is your evidence.

JM: ...even with that direct personal experience, I still am very fearful, I still have profound doubts about everything. Which is absolutely ludicrous, because I've been given so many opportunities and heard so many good things, and had so many experiences that prove to me that I have protection, and guidance.

And yet I'm still on the human side. I still... I'm afraid to go out, I'm afraid... because I know what these people at the top are like. And I know that they're not human, as such.

DI: Hmm.

JM: So they don't mind killing, they don't mind tyranny and throwing you into prison or whatever. And I'm afraid of... I'm fearful for my life that...

BR: But if they were ever going to do that, they would had done it already. I mean they're a bit late, aren't they ?

JM: …

BR: [laughs]

JM: Well it's never too late because they can always drop in and do it any time.

BR: Right, but the time for them to stop you is actually before you've done your work, not after. And so...

JM: And like I said, I've had some very serious things – not just threats, but them knocking on the door, showing up, feds knocking on the door with subpoenas and warrants for my arrest; the sheriff was out with a warrant for my arrest, I've had the federal government indicting me for … some very serious stuff. And at the last moment, someone, somewhere, stepped in and crushed it.

BR: That was like the guy that you were talking about when Credo was just about to be set on fire, somebody shouted Stop.

JM: Yeah.

BR: It's the same principle...

JM: At the last moment...

BR: … it's the same principle.

JM: …someone stepped in and saved me.

DI: I think this last moment stuff, I've had it myself, is part of the preparation. Because the last moment means you have to trust.

JM: Oh yes.

DI: And I've reached a point now where, no matter what's going on, I trust the outcome. That it's gonna be fine.

JM: I agree with you.

DI: And I get more and more optimistic, the more that I know; and the more that I expand my own awareness, the more optimistic I get.

These people are powerful within a box the size of a pea. They have to keep humanity in a smaller box than they're in. It's not that they're all powerful, it's not that they're all knowing and omnipotent. They have created a vibrational control structure in which they are in a box, a tiny box.

Yes they have some intellectual capacity which allows them to play with technology, but it's an intellectual, ah, it's a vibrational box. And they are limited to that box because of their state of being, because of their need to control. And what does the need to control mean ? It means you are in a state of extreme insecurity. Only insecure and fearful people want to control others and want to control events.

People who are at peace with themselves, they are quite happy to flow and take the outcome that comes.

BR: That's right...

DI: And so...

BR: ...if there wasn't a threat to them, there wouldn't be any need to control anybody...

DI: Right.

BR: ...you wouldn't have to have any of these structures here.

DI: Well the entities behind the control system, and their hybrid middle men and women, they strut around as if they are full of, you know, self-confidence and all the rest of it. But again, you know, you... well I have, anyway, met so many strutters, and then you get behind that front, and it's a frightened little person behind here, the strut is just to hide a frightened little person. And that's what we're dealing with here.

So to control humanity as they have, they have had to put humanity in a smaller box than they're in. And so they have created this control system that is designed to isolate the awareness of the target population within the five-sense reality, and to disconnect us, or disconnect our awareness of, higher levels of consciousness.

Once you, as a human being, break out of that vibrational straitjacket of five-sense domination, and you start to expand your consciousness, you are expanding it beyond the box that they are limited to and cannot expand out of unless they change their state of being, and if they change their state of being then no one will want to control anybody anyway.

So whether we expand beyond their box or whether they expand beyond their own box, the control system must fall either way! Either they don't want to control anymore or they ain't gonna be in control, because the expansion of human consciousness is going to bring an end to the control.

And once you expand your consciousness, you are accessing – and anyone can do it – levels of awareness that not only give us the picture of what's happening, which this control system wants to keep from us, it also connects us to what we call protection. Because we create our reality in our heads like a computer decodes information from the wireless Internet.

The base construct of this reality is an information, wave-form information construct, and just like the wireless Internet, it's here! All around us. And we are decoding it through the body-computer into a holographic world that only exists in our head. Therefore, what we decode dictates our experience.

And if we are of a state of expanded awareness that is accessing higher levels of knowledge, information, awareness, within this construct, and we do not fall into the trap of decoding the belief that we can be taken out, the belief that we can be stopped, then we can't be stopped! Because if I do not decode that information, I can be stopped, I can be assassinated, through from the vibrational through the electrical into the holographic, it cannot manifest in my experience. It cannot do so!

And the number of whistleblowers that I've come across over the years who have constantly told people: I don't know how long I'm gonna be able to do this before they take me out. What are they doing? They are falling into that information construct level that says I can be taken out, I'm allowing that into my possibility; I probably will be taken out, I don't know how long I can keep going now before they take me out, you know, and here's me war medals and me war wounds, cause I'm a hero...

BR: And to put it in layman's language, they're expecting it to happen.

DI: Of course they are! That's the whole point! And so it comes from that construct through to the electrical into the holographic: bang bang! Self-fulfilling prophecy. It's not... it doesn't have to be self-fulfilled, but what you perceive and believe, you have a fantastic chance of experiencing.

And I say now: no one can take me out, no one can stop me, unless I decode it into my experience, and I ain't gonna do it, so... end of story!

And also, on top of that, you've got other forces at work, which are also ensuring that that process of decoding that outcome does not happen. And people say, I heard it over the years: When is the cavalry coming?

JM: Yes.

DI: The cavalry, if you want to call it that, is already here, it's in the space – or, what we call space – that we're experiencing. But the cavalry is only the cavalry compared with the control system because it's vibrating to a higher level of awareness! It's not: When's the cavalry coming over the hill? It's: when are we gonna go vibrationally over the hill and connect with the cavalry?

BR: When are we going to realize that we are the cavalry.

DI: Well, we are, but to manifest that most powerfully and effectively within [the] holographic five-sense reality, we need to connect with those levels of awareness, those levels of consciousness, that can give us this massive power for transformation and bringing an end to this control system.

Because the control system is absolutely manifested out of low density levels of awareness, that's what it is: it's low density, it's dense and it's … it has a solidity, it doesn't have movement ... it's a very dense energy field.

And what's happening now is that energy field is starting to be broken up, by this energetic change that's happening, what I call the Truth Vibrations. And as the energetic density is broken up, the blueprint, the foundation on which the whole, dense, control system is created, is coming down!

You know, it looks so solid, Oh my God, just look at it, it's an impregnable control system, but its foundation is a vibrational blueprint that is doomed and is in the process – as I speak – of being unpicked, by this vibrational change that's going on.

And the more people that open to this vibrational change, the more people then become generators and communicators of this vibrational change, and the whole exponential curve goes up. You know, we're in a fantastic time now, where we're moving epochs, we're changing epochs, when the epoch of density – of what people call darkness, of suppression, of desire to control... and we're moving, we're at this cusp now.

We're moving into an epoch of fluidity, of expansion of consciousness, of harmony, of awareness, of lack of fear. Lack of fear equals lack of insecurity, means lack of desire or the feeling of need to control.

BR: Can you see this, Jordan, among some of the people around you, that these changes are taking place ?

JM: We are all three agree that we are... that the human race has been dominated by higher intelligences or... inhuman, other than human – I would say off-world – intelligences. And my question is, my thought is that until something is done about this other-world presence that's been building this world for us and keeping us stupid, until something is done about them, what do you think is going to be the outcome ?

Because unless these reptilian or other-world intelligences, whoever they are – and I'm totally convinced that we are being manipulated as a human race by other-world...

DI: Absolutely right.

JM: ...intelligences, and if that is true, then no matter how much we are awakening and spiritually evolving, something's got to be done about them, so to speak.

DI: Well, I would say that this is all completely connected, because this spirit.. – I don't like to use the word spiritual, it has religious connotations – this vibrational change, this expansion of consciousness, these Truth Vibrations, this next epoch, this new yuga of human experience: it is a vibrational quickening.

Now that vibrational quickening carries a new higher level of knowledge, awareness, understanding. This is why the people tuning to it suddenly, wooah, [are] seeing themselves and the world in a different way. But it's not just about affecting humans: it's affecting the reality itself. And these manipulating non-human, reptilian entities and other entities as well – and there's some benevolent non-human entities involved with the lot – are also being affected by this vibrational change.

And their vibrational home stadium is the old epoch, the old energetic construct, and they built this control system on the old energetic construct. And part of that has been – the fact that humanity connected consciously to that energetic construct – has been in a state of suppression. Instead of expanded awareness, it's been like, I'm just Joe Public, I'm Charlie Smith and Ethel Jones and I've got no power. So that makes the control system real easy.

As we expand, beyond the box they're in, because we can, then that becomes more and more difficult. But that's only one level of it. The real thing that's bringing an end to the control system is the very vibrational basis on which it's been built, this density is breaking up! And as it breaks up the house of cards must come down because the holographic playout control system is just a holographic representation of the vibrational blueprint on which it is based!

When that goes, this has to go! And so it's all happening at one time and, for me, it's absolutely no accident that it's at this very time, when these Truth Vibrations – I call them – are starting to massively impact on human awareness. My goodness me, I mean, I remember 20 years ago, I mean, my goodness me... Things have changed though, haven't they, in terms of the number of people who're going, Whoa hold on a second! The life is not like I thought it was, I’m not like I thought it was.

So these Truth Vibrations are impacting very, very powerfully already. And the whole thing is going to move on, and so the... It's no accident, like I said, that it's at this time, when this is happening, that they're throwing everything at us in terms of the control system!

They've got HAARP, which is in many ways there to create a sub-reality, because it's sending out radio waves on the same frequencies as brain waves, to try to affect the way we think and suppress our thoughts...

JM: Hm-mm.

DI: They're filling people with chemical cocktails in food and drink to destabilize the body's ability to tune into these changing vibrations; they're creating a sub-reality through microwaves and electro-magnetic pollution – even mainstream media's talking about the soup we live in now, particularly in the cities; they want to bring the microchips in to externally suppress the vibrational state and the electrical state of the body so we're not tuning into this new awareness that's there to be tuned in to.

And all these things are happening. And again: when you are in a state of fear and chaos, and What's happening? and Oh my god, you are in a low vibrational state. That's what fear is, that's why we say, Oh I feel so tight today, I feel so heavy today. Heavy: it's a low vibrational state. So...

Another thing that they're doing at this time, is trying to create as much chaos in the world – chaos not least through the global economy etcetera, and wars and what have you, terrorism – because they want to make that affect our vibrational state. And there's so many other things, of course we could all list. And it's no accident that they're throwing that at us now, just as this epoch-changing vibrational change is happening, because they're desperately trying to defend.

I would say this, and I've been saying it for a while: what is happening now, is not about these people gaining more power, because they had all the power they wanted up to this point. Because while humanity was not aware that they were being manipulated, they weren't aware that their resources were being stolen, they weren't aware that their energy was being vampired – these guys could go on controlling us forever, in that stage.

Then what is happening now is not about them gaining more power. It is that desperate last death-throe attempt of the control system to hold onto the power it already had. And the reason that it’s now manifesting is because they can see down what we call the timeline from their level of observation, just outside of our visible light reality, and therefore they could see this time coming.

They've been preparing for this for ages...

JM: Oh, I'm sure.

DI: ...to throw it in now. And that says many things, it says an incredible thing about what's happening, and that is: the power of this transformation, the power of this awakening, is so profound, that they have to throw all this stuff at us to try to head it off. And they will head some people off, they will keep some people in the box.

But the tide is turning, the tide is... Most crucial: the tide is vibrationally changing. And they're gonna throw it and for the next few years, the next few years it ain't gonna look for a second as if – from the perspective of the vast majority of people on this planet – that anything's happening other than the control system is getting its way. That the control system, the Orwellian control system, the fascist global state is actually gonna get what it wants.

And people are gonna say: Oh, my god ... we're doomed. And then... and then... the tipping point's gonna come, vibrationally. And this is gonna come down so fast, eventually. And I'm 58 and it's gonna happen well before I leave here. Because I want a bit of the other side of the epoch, thank you very much. I've had all this side, I want a bit of that side, before I leave here. [laughs]

BR: [laughs]

JM: What you've been saying has reminded me: in the Jewish tradition of mysticism is the idea of a Golem, and this was a monster which can be created out of your thinking...

BR: Hm-mm.

JM: ...that actually becomes a living monster.

DI: Right.

JM: But it requires your... collectively thinking about this monster, and it comes into being. Once it comes into being, it has its own agenda, its own...

BR: It has its own awareness!

JM: Yes.

BR: Yeah.

JM: But it requires everyone believing that it's here first. And then it can be brought into being, it’s called the Golem. As I said, it's a very old ancient Jewish idea that you can create a monster if you believe it, and if you... And, well, that's basically what you're saying.

BR: What you need to acknowledge, Jordan, is that the work that you've been doing that started 48 years ago, actually is one of the things that the controllers are reacting against. Because you are one of the first people to stand up and start frightening them with the release of information that was never meant to be made public.

JM: Yes, well, I know, and it's... I look at what has transpired in my life in the past 48 years, and I'm amazed watching the transitions that I have gone through and the world has gone through, too.

BR: Because you must have seen a lot. In those 48 years...

JM: Yes!

BR: ...you must have seen, I mean...

JM: I remember back in '62, '63, '64, when John Kennedy... before John Kennedy was assassinated. The day he was assassinated, I was on my way downtown in Los Angeles, to east LA, to give a lecture on secret societies and world religions.

And when I got in the car to go, I heard on the news that John Kennedy had been assassinated. I mean I've been talking about the influence of the dark side manipulating us... some... you know, far back in '63, '62. And... But there's, I feel that there is some kind of an other-world intelligence that is manipulating us and probably... it has been here before we humans were here. And it represents a very, very powerful presence, an evil presence.

I'm sure, as you have said, you're right, that there is – and Bill, you have said the same thing – about there is a spiritual balance in the universe and that there is a good side also. But I feel unless and until this other-world power is exposed, we as humans are not going to be able to extricate ourselves from this … tragedy. We, you know, the world has got to understand that we're not being ruled by humans. We are being ruled by an other-world, off-planet – for a lack of a better term, alien life-forms, which couldn't care less about us as humans. It doesn't mind...

DI: I completely agree with that and of course, you know, we're one on that. My feeling is that there are other forces. You see, I'm not talking about humans removing that. I'm talking about humans waking up to it, and some humans have come here – what we call humans, cause we're just consciousness, human's just a program on this planet – have come here, to play a major part in removing that, by removing its vibrational blueprint.

But these other forces in the unseen are gonna sort that, overwhelmingly. And those within this reality are gonna play a part, with that level of awareness, in doing that. Because you're absolutely right: unless that is done, then the control system goes on, because the... that which has controlled up to this point will still go on controlling. But it's not going to. It's gonna have the shock of its life.

Because, you know, the way I see it – it's all I can say: the way I see it, but – they put humans in a box smaller than they're in, so humans have a certain perspective. Not a very wide perspective, if you're only there, and that's where it's meant to be from the control system point of view. Then you have another level of awareness, which is the entities controlling. And from that level of awareness, the continuation and expansion of the control system is a done deal.

They actually think it's just gonna play out, they think they're there, they think the game is over. But there's another level of awareness [laughs] which that – the control system level – cannot access; which has got a whole different outcome manifesting, and this level is impacting more and more into what we call human society. And somewhere, not a lot further along this road if you like, it's gonna massively impact, this tipping point I'm talking about.

And the control system, which thinks it's game over, is going to have the shock of its eternity. You know I've been through this whole last 20 years of my conscious awakening to this, and there have been times through the 1990s and whatever, when I thought: What can we do about this? What's it meaning? You know, you can't see an answer to it. But I'll tell you what: I've never been so totally sure that in my lifetime it's coming down.

Our kids and grandkids are not gonna live in an Orwellian fascist control system, they're not. They're gonna live out most of their lives in a world of potential, of expanded awareness, of incr... Because as the epoch changes it gets more and more that the Truth Vibrations will dominate awareness rather than the suppressed epoch we're coming out of. And they're gonna live out most of their lives, young people today, especially the very young, in what we would perceive in this epoch as a paradise, a utopia, compared – there will be challenges, but compared with...

JM: Yes.

DI: ...what we've come through. And we are real privileged people, and we've chosen well. When I say “we” I mean everyone in the world today who wants to play a part in this, because it's just a choice. We're at the cusp but we're playing a part, and anyone can play a part in this transformation.

What a wonderful thing. What a wonderful thing, when we leave this body-computer, this genetic spacesuit, and we go back to where we've come from, in pure awareness. And we sit in the bar, and we think: Job well done! I'm glad I did that.

And the worst thing that can happen to us when we are making this contribution, if we allow ourselves to decode it, is someone takes us out. Now, if someone takes us out, now what happens? My awareness leaves the limitation of the body lens, the body-computer, and expands into simultaneous awareness of all that is. Phew, dear, I'm terrified of that one! It's the worst that can happen!

JM: I totally understand...

BR: Hm-mm.

DI: It's the worst that can happen! And if we can just come from that perspective and, therefore, see that as the worst that can happen, then there are no limitations any more on what we will say and what we will do. We will do what we know to be right, we'll say what we know to be right, and consequences can take care of themselves.

Because in the end, we are saying, and we are doing, but we're also creating the consequences of saying and doing... We have the power to control both! And when we realize that: game over, the other way.

JM: Let me tell you of two experiences that I've had, that bear on what we're talking about. I was in Hawaii, many years ago, with my wife and some friends, we went to Hawaii. And we were sitting in a restaurant right across the street from the Hilton village, and in the restaurant I had my back to the door. And someone came in. I have no idea who it was. Someone came in, and an electrical shock went through my body...

DI: Hm-mm.

JM: ... just as if someone come up quietly with a live wire and hit you, and I knocked over the stuff on the table. It was an electrical shock, and all I could hear in my head was: Get up and run quick. You’re in trouble. Your life is in danger. And involuntarily, I didn’t think to do it, I just got up and started running – which implies somebody else is in charge of my brain and my mechanisms, because I wasn’t even trying or thinking about running. I was just running!

And all the time I was running across the restaurant, I could hear the voice saying: Quickly, get out of here. Your life is in danger. I ran through the back door, I ran through the back lot, and it was a main street, a main boulevard, and the voice said: Run across the street. Quickly, run across the street. And I yelled: I can’t run across the street. There’s traffic here. And it says: No, no one’s gonna harm you. Run across the street.

And involuntarily, I ran across the street. I didn’t even decide to do it. And as I ran across the street it just so happened that there was no traffic for that moment, and then it said: Run around the outside of the hotel. So I ran around the Hilton Village Hotel to the ocean side, and then it said: You’re all right now. Now you’re safe. You’re okay. And I sat down by this little pool and I was out of breath...

BR: [laughs]

JM: ...and I was thinking: What did I just do? My wife is sitting there with our friends. The stuff is all over the floor. I look like an idiot. I have no idea in the world what I just did or why, and the voice was saying to me: You’re okay now. There you are safe.

I came back to Los Angeles a little while later. Identical. I was sitting in a restaurant right on Wilshire and Fairfax, a little hamburger stand, at lunch. And I was sitting at the counter and peripheral vision I saw, I didn’t see them, but I saw two guys walk in, and when they walked in, immediately there was an electrical shock, and I almost fell off the chair at the counter, and the voice says: Get out of here quick. You’re in trouble. Run.

And so I stumbled. I had to get up. I stumbled on the floor. I threw some money on the counter and I ran out the side door. And the voice kept saying: You’re in serious trouble. Run quick. Your life is in danger. And I ran all the way up Fairfax about three or four blocks until the voice said: All right. You’re safe now. Now you’re safe. Sit down. And I sat at a bus stop. My heart was pounding, and I thought: That’s the second time this has happened. What in the world is going on? Because it was involuntary. I didn't... I know what I was told, but I wasn’t thinking to do it. I was just doing what I was told to do.

And I’m telling you this because I have been told many years ago, and over and over by many different people, as you have had psychic readings, I have also – and I’ve been told: You have been brought here. You have come back. They have brought you here. You’ve come in to do something. This is not just by chance you happen to have been born and gotten in to... No, no. You have come here to incarnate into this world at this particular moment in time.

And so it appears to me that there is some kind of a cosmic war going on between higher intelligences, good ones and evil ones, out there, that we’re not aware of. And the good ones are doing something with the human race while the evil ones are doing something with us. And so we are merely pawns on a bigger and more serious ... being played out to protect or secure the protection of the human race.

BR: I wouldn’t say you’re a pawn, Jordan. I’d say you’re at least a bishop...

DI: [chuckles]

BR: ... and maybe a king, or a queen.

JM: That’s good.

BR: [laughs]

DI: It’s funny.

JM: But I was...

DI: What you’re describing here with this different approach to … life, shall we say, I would say, are these two epochs. It’s at this point there’s two epochs. This is the one of suppression, it represents the one of suppression, and we’re at the cusp of this new epoch. And because we’re at the cusp, they’re both playing out together and so we’ve got this situation that you’re describing. Do you know when you were talking there, you know what I was seeing?

I was seeing that scene from The Matrix, where Neo is in the office and he receives the phone in the FedEx package, and he opens it up. It’s a phone, and then Morpheus is on the phone saying: Okay, you’re in trouble. Okay. Get down very low. Go across the corridor and then do this. Now that for me is very, very symbolic of what I call the quiet voice, the quiet voice which talks to us through intuition. And what happened of course with Neo is that he followed it okay for a while until there was a real challenge.

The quiet voice was saying: Get out of the window, on the tower block, go around that partition, and go down the thing. And it was like, the conscious mind got control of Neo at that time, and overrode the quiet voice – intuitive knowing, intuitive guidance. And therefore he got caught. Now this is the challenge that we have. What changed my life? Totally, more than anything else, in 1990, was I decided that if my head and my intuitive knowing were ever at odds, I was going with my intuition. And what happens is when you do, you get yourself in some scrapes, but the more you do it, like using a muscle, the more, the louder the quiet voice gets.

This is what Gandhi talked about. He said – what did he say? – words to the effect of: The only tyrant that I listen to is the quiet voice within. Words to that effect, close to that. And the choice is, are we going to follow that silent voice, that intuitive knowing, because if we do, we’re following the level of awareness that can see the game from source to sea. If we can’t, then we’re stuck in five-sense mind reality which can see the next turn on the river. So this is the challenge for us.

If we can follow that intuitive knowing, like you clearly did by reflex action, then we’ll never get into trouble. And if we do get into trouble, we’ll always get out of it, and this applies to everyone on the planet. But because intuition comes from a totally different level of awareness and perception of this reality, what it’s urging us to do often, this – which is programmed from cradle to grave to see life as we’re programmed to see it – it's going: You can’t do that. You got us crazy. No, we can’t do that. What about this? What about that? It lists all the reasons why you shouldn’t follow this.

And if we do, not only will we be protected as we’ve talked about, but we’ll also be guided to fantastic amounts of information which are waiting for us if we follow that, that this is telling you: You shouldn’t go there tomorrow. You’ve got an appointment. You can’t go there, I don’t care what you say, you can’t go there: you’ve got an appointment! No, no. I’m going to cancel the appointment. I have to go there.

And when you do, something is there which gives you a massive insight that this would have denied you had you gone with it. And most people, because of the programming, are welded to this reality. And therefore they go round and round in this circular [makes little voice:] you get up in the morning and then you go to work and then you come home, you have your tea, and then you watch telly and then you go to bed and then you get up, and you go to work and then you come home and you have your tea...

That’s what mind does! It loves this kind of repetition. Intuition: flow. Intuition, flow with higher levels of awareness. Source to sea awareness. And suddenly when you do that, your life becomes incredibly synchronistic. Amazing coincidences and...

JM: Oh absolutely.

DI: ...miracles happen. I mean, you know, we’ve all had experiences, haven’t we? And it’s open to everybody to do that, as long as you let the head intellect serve consciousness instead of govern. The way I put it is, when you follow intuition, you live life. When you follow mind alone, life lives you, which is what happens with most people.

JM: Yes.

DI: And so, you have access to this incredible library of knowledge, this incredible library of guidance, and it’s not the “chosen ones”. It’s those which are willing to open their minds to access that level of knowledge. It’s not a club. You don’t need a log-in code name. It’s sitting there, in the space that we are now experiencing. All we have to do is open up. It’s like I said earlier: instead of saying when’s the cavalry coming, when are we going to the cavalry?

JM: A Buddhist priest said: Unfortunately there is no key to the universe. Unfortunately. But the good part is that there was never a lock on to start with...

DI: Exactly.

JM: Yes.

DI: Exactly.

JM: ... but I’m going back to what I was saying. My experience implies that it was not a quiet voice that was... It was an emergency, that my life was in danger. And it implied – this whole experience, both times – implied that there is some kind of a military type operation going on with these extraterrestrial, reptilians, whatever these off-world entities are that have been manipulating us. It’s kind of like a military thing that’s going on. Some good entities, for lack of a better term. Good extraterrestrial powers. I mean, this is nothing new. Christianity and Judaism talk about good angels, the bad angels, and whatever, so it’s implied that there are good and evil entities here.

DI: From my perspective, Jordan, they are another level of this energetic playing out. You know, they are attached ... I mean, we think we’re human and we... it's just one species of existence within five-sense reality, but there are other non-human entities that can take other forms, and are also subject to the choice between which of these energetic states, these consciousness states, are they going to choose? So, it’s all playing out.

And when you say about... what I meant by a quiet voice, the quiet voice talks to you quietly, but when you are in trouble, like you appear to have been, it can grab you by the bloody collar and launch you out there. You know, my feeling is, the more I kind of understand this, is this guidance of those that are playing a part in this transformation, it’s much more powerful than we realize, and it’s much closer to us than we realize. But we don’t really become totally aware of it until there is a panic station situation, and suddenly, boom! it says: this is going to happen.

Because if it was a case of we coming here to try to make a contribution, and then people trying to stop us can come up and go Bang bang, thank you very much, you know, mine’s the large one, what’s the point of us coming? So there is a very, very powerful force which is there for those that have come to play a part, and at its most extreme, it can yank you out of a dangerous situation.

JM: Well, see, I appreciate what you’re saying, but again I’m coming back to: my experiences have made me believe that we are in a military kind of thing going on, with in fact other life forms which are higher life forms which are unseen, as you talked about and I’ve talked about too, the reptile alien...

DI: Right.

JM: ...presence. What are we talking about, reptile alien presence? I don’t know exactly what all of this means, but I know it’s there. I’ve heard way too much not to know that there is a reptile alien presence on the Earth.

DI: Right.

JM: Where did they come from? How really powerful are they? How long have they been around, and what is their relationship to us? How much can they do to us and manipulate us? And when I had those two experiences, those experiences told me that there is some kind of a real dangerous military action going on, and sometimes you might possibly, as I did, come into close proximity with other alien life forms that are very evil...

DI: There’s no doubt about that.

JM: ...and if you do, the ones who are protecting you will quickly get you out...

DI: Yes.

JM: ...like the FBI gets out their man in the Mafia, and he’s been spotted, he’s been found out. The government has to go in quickly and get you out. Why? Because you’re a dead man. They found out who you are. Get him out immediately.

DI: Hmm.

JM: Whatever it takes, get him out of the place. So I felt that this is what was happening to me. It was as if all of a sudden, out of time and chance, two other alien life … entities came in. They looked like men. They weren’t men. And immediately, whatever was protecting me...

DI: There, right.

JM: ...like military's Get out of here quick. Well, that implies [that] there’s something going on here militarily, from an other-world point of view.

BR: But it also implies that you’re protected...

JM: Well, yes, but...

BR: ...and what we have to remember is that whatever these forces are, they are not all-powerful, otherwise we would not be able to have this conversation.

JM: Well I know enough...

DI: They’re certainly not all-powerful.

JM: But see, the point I’m making here with you is that, I understand and am totally in agreement, that there is some kind of a change in the epoch, a change of... because I understand the astrological...

DI: Right.

JM: ...concept of a changing of the yugas and the changing of the eras and epochs of time.

DI: Right.

JM: But I’m still convinced that there is some kind of an evil presence here like a military. They are organized.

DI: What I’m saying, and what Jordan is saying, are different expressions of the same thing. Because what I’m saying, you know, the base construct of everything is consciousness, and there is a changing of the guard in terms of the energetic state of awareness in this reality. We’re at this cusp. Of course, on one level, it’s pure energy, it’s pure awareness. But as it comes down the levels, that expresses itself in different ways. So on the human level, you’ve got people who are awakening, and people who are still closed. You’ve got people that want kindness and peace in the world, and you’ve got people that want to control and manipulate and exploit and parasite off.

And one of these levels, it takes the other-worldly level that Jordan’s talking about, which is of non-human entities, in this tussle for either control of this reality or benevolent protection of this reality. And they, too, are expressions of this energetic epoch change. It’s just: which level of it are we looking at. So what I’m saying and what Jordan's saying about this military kind of battle, if you like, is absolutely the same. Because on one level that is what’s happening, because it’s an expression of this change. Because it’s expressing itself in so many different ways, and that is one of them, and it is fundamentally affecting this one, which is the human level, because of what’s going on there.

What I’m saying is that because this energetic transformation, this expanded awareness is now coming in, as it becomes more powerful and the tipping point comes where the old epoch energy is replaced by the new epoch energy as the dominant one in this reality, then all these different levels of malevolence, whether they be non-human, alien or as we call them, down into the ...

JM: Hmm.

DI: ... parasite world, their day’s over. But it’s not over yet, and like I say, for a while, this is really gonna be challenging. There’s gonna be great upheavals, because we’re not in the new epoch. We’re at the cusp of the changeover, and this is the most chaotic and difficult and most challenging. And so there are all these levels. We’re gonna see amazing things going on, and there’s definitely what you might call battles going on on this non-human level. Absolutely.

JM: And both of the Jewish and the Christian and even in Islamic tradition, there is talk about the spirit forces at work...

BR: Yes.

JM: ...in the universe. Evil, and like I said, and Christians talk about the good angels or the demons and the devils, and they’re equally as... they're very, very bad, while the angels are very good and are protecting us, but they are actual entities who are at war in the spirit world with each other and they have their people on the Earth. The bad ones have the bad people. There is some kind of a matrix of war going on between the good and the evil on the Earth. And it plays out in a very reasonable, legitimate military fashion. There are evil forces that are watching you, that are trying to stop you, while others, good entities are coming in to protect you, and to keep you safe.

So, in my vision, is that we are ... in the physical world, we are being played by higher powers who have a design on us. Maybe the good ones have the design that we are supposed to evolve and to, you know, grow in wisdom and knowledge, and to blossom out into godly creatures with wisdom and knowledge, and have a better civilization, a better life; while on the other hand there very well might be entities from out there who are the enemies of those good ones, and they have been mind-controlling this system here. None of this nonsense about evolution and for people to grow and peace and harmony.

No, no. They’ve come here to own us, to control us, and therefore I see it as a real legitimately military darkness going on. I think there are evil forces here, and there are good ones that are watching us, and they are at war. And this is what the Knights Templars were implying with their symbol of, As Above, So Below. Meaning, if you think it’s bad here between the military and armies and bloodshed, you should see what’s going on in the spirit world. Those are very powerful spirits at work on both sides, good and evil.

BR: You talked about two powers there. Is there not a third power, which is our own power? Because if you want to change the world, the way that we have to start is ourselves. We can’t directly necessarily do anything about these factors that you’ve been talking about, but if we change the way that we perceive the world and relate to the world and see ourselves in relation to the world, then we can disempower those forces who got a hold on us, and this is my interpretation of what David is saying. … That’s a question. [laughs]

JM: Well, I think that this whole idea about the Kingdom of God, the ultimate good Kingdom of God on the Earth, I think that’s an astrological subject, and unless one brings in astro-theology and the astrological component of the Kingdom of God, we’re never going to understand the Kingdom of God. I think the Kingdom of God is a time period, an astrological time period when the human race will finally wake up and get in tune with the divine universe and throw off all of this dark force around us.

But I see, and I understand and totally agree with David about the spiritual implications. But I’m also seeing that there is actually a military operation, for lack of a better term, a military operation of dark forces which are very legitimately evil, which have a tremendous amount of power to harm we humans. On the other hand there are those other-world entities who are here to protect the project of human evolution, to protect us. And there very well might be, as David said, levels. But up to now, the level that I’ve been concerned with is that level that sees a military operation going on here.

DI: Well I think that, you know, Jordan, when you’re looking at a massive insider like George Lucas, when he produces like the Star Wars movies: that’s the level you’re talking about, that sort of stuff is going on. That’s not taking place in a galaxy far far away. That’s much closer to home, and that’s the level you’re talking about. And I agree with you. But I’m saying is that’s a level of this energetic level playing out down the levels right down to the human. And, I tell you the way I see it, anyway.

What I’m saying in my new book is that, the black holes, like the one in the center of this galaxy, are vibrating the base vibrational state of this reality. But it’s not stable in the sense that it doesn’t just stay forever vibrating in the same way. It goes through a cycle, and so it goes through this vibrational cycle and eventually it comes back to the start. And in the playout holographic world, it kind of seems to take the form, because of the way we decode it, is what I call a Time Loop. It’s what the Asian, the Indian people call yugas...

JM: Mm-hm.

DI: ...they're different yugas. And as the black holes vibrate this base vibrational construct, this base vibrational foundation, it triggers information from the suns to be transmitted in the form of photons. Photon energy which is information. And the energy going through the acupuncture lines, the meridians, is photon energy, as we decode that information. The Earth’s energy grid has photon energy going through the grid, as the Earth decodes that information.

And as this vibration changes, and whoever created this virtual reality universe – in other words, this massively advanced computer game – they created this vibrational cycle. And as it goes through its cycle, the information coming from the suns in the photon energy changes, and so, and we’re decoding this change. So we go through periods of what the ancients call the Golden Age, when there’s massive expansion of awareness, and connection and harmony and all the rest of it; and then there are other periods where the energy and the information is much more suppressed and limited. And these different cycles go until it comes back from the start and the whole thing starts again.

So, consciousness... you know... At the end of the day, for me, I can only speak for me, when we are at the realm of consciousness, pure consciousness, we see this whole game completely different. I mean, we’re seeing it through the lens of what we call the physical body and there we’re seeing it a certain way, and it focuses our attention in the five-sense world which is why we look out of our eyes, or think we do, and see this world and it’s our base main prime sense of reality. But before we choose to come into, not that it’s necessarily in, but that... get too detailed here – before we choose to come in, that level of choice is made by consciousness in awareness of itself. Disembodied awareness.

When we come into this reality, we are trying to perceive why we’re here and why we would choose to be here, if people believe that that’s what we do – I certainly do. We’re trying to understand the choice through the limited lens of the body, a choice made when we were in a state of consciousness. It’s like the Oracle in The Matrix where she says: You’ve not come here to make the choice. You’ve already made the choice. What you’ve come here to do is understand why you made the choice. And so you’ll say to people: Well, you know, there’s not someone on another level with an AK-47 saying “Get in that body or I shoot”. You chose to be here, so if you chose to be here, why did you choose to be here?

And sometimes, we choose to come in certain parts of this changing epoch for really big challenges which, in an embodied sense, for one of a term, we’d go: I chose to do this? You must be having a laugh!

JM: Mm-hm.

DI: And I feel that what this epoch change is that I’m talking about, is this vibration is now moving from one period of this time loop into another period of this time loop. And through this period of suppression, of what we would call darkness and limitation and control, a certain consciousness – because the base state was so applicable and supportive of it – has been dominant. But now as we go into another epoch of a greater expansion, the vibrational foundation of this reality is no longer, increasingly by the hour and by the day, supportive of that awareness consciousness in all its forms, whether it’s aliens in spaceships or whether it’s pure consciousness or whether it’s humans manipulating humans.

It’s no longer supportive of that awareness. And as we move further and further through the cusp where there’s a changeover and both are active, like we are now, into where the new epoch energy will be the dominant one – as that has been up to this point – then that which has been manipulating here, will not be able to manipulate there, because the energetic environment will not be in any way conducive to it. What we’ve got now, and this comes back to your point about this kind of military war going on, on the kind of Star Wars level of it – I absolutely agree with you – is that, because we’re in the changeover, this stuff is now... we’re getting both, we're getting both!

And the tussle is on, because up to this point, what you call the dark forces, the manipulative controlling forces, they’ve been playing at home. They’ve been the dominant force. Now it ain’t happening any more, there’s somebody else is coming in, so we've got this war going on. And it’s not that this level of the benevolent alien has suddenly manifested and appeared for the first time – it’s been in existence all the way through this! – but it’s not been in a conducive energetic environment to impose itself on this reality.

Now increasingly it is, and so we’re now seeing the two, and the tussle. But the tussle is a done deal because the energetic environment is no longer conducive to this, so something different must change. And that’s why what we call the future – which is not really the future, it’s just the changing energetic environment – is one that is going to be very different to this one. And yes, there is a tussle going on. Yes, there is a battle going on, but the outcome’s a done deal.

JM: Well... like we...

DI: In my view anyway.

JM: What we were talking about this morning: we both agree that people have seen reptile aliens, and they are very evil and very real.

DI: Absolutely.

JM: And that’s what I’m talking about. Because if there are reptile aliens here – which I totally believe, because I’ve heard way too many stories over the all the last 40 years, I’ve heard major stories about this, so I’m totally convinced that there are reptile aliens here...

DI: I couldn’t agree more.

JM: ...and so, that being the case though, they are real, legitimate, evil presence on the Earth with us.

DI: Yes.

JM: Now that implies that there must be also some very legitimate and real other entities here who are held here for our good, or to protect us or to help us. And that’s what I’m talking about when I say that there’s a military operation going on on the Earth. These reptile aliens are legitimate. They’re real.

DI: But their – I can only say what I feel, Jordan – their energetic preeminence through this period is now having the rug pulled from under them, because we’re going into a new energetic epoch. And these are very low vibrational entities. You know, they’re very clever, but they have no wisdom.

JM: Well... I...

DI: They have no wisdom, otherwise they wouldn’t do what they do, but they’re very, very clever, and cleverness without wisdom is the most destructive force you can come across, which is why they’re very, very destructive. So they have been clever, and they’ve used technology and stuff... You know you can get very advanced technology in these intellectual states, but the intellectual state is a very low level of awareness, and as we’re moving into this new energetic epoch, their ability to dominate, as they have, that rug is being pulled from under them.

But like I say, in this changeover, that tussle you’re talking about between those reptilian entities and those which are seeking to remove their control of humanity all this time, they are together in what we'd call a battle. But what I’m saying is the outcome’s a done deal.

JM: That I understand.

DI: Yes.

JM: But then you would agree that there is, in point of fact, some kind of a war going on.

DI: Completely. I completely agree with that.

BR: Hm-mm.

DI: What I’m saying is that that war, battle, is an expression of the consciousness epoch that is manifested, manifests itself as these...

JM: Oh I see. Yes.

DI: ... control freaks, reptilian entities. And the consciousness change that’s coming, this epoch energetic change that’s coming, that it manifests as those that don’t all want to control.

JM: Yes.

DI: And at the moment, because we’re on the cusp, we’ve got this battle, at that level. And it manifests down into the human experience as the Illuminati families, representatives of this reptilian control system, and those who are representative of the epoch energetic change. That is, if you like... I don’t want to battle with anyone, I don’t want to fight anyone – what you fight, you become – but using the terms that you are, and the things you’re using: that battle, here, is manifesting as a battle here, but the energetic change will eventually wash away that which are manifestations of the old energetic blueprint. And that’s why our kids and grandkids are not gonna live in a fascist global state, although for a few years it is going to look like that, because we’re at the cusp and the...

JM: They're going to try fighting it, yes...

DI: ...control system is going to be kicking and spitting, and trying to impose itself for the next few years. But, sorry guys: have a cup of tea, forget it, open your bloody minds, stop trying to control – because there’s nothing to worry about, because you’re infinite consciousness anyway – and just get on the air bed and flow with the bloody new energy. Stop fighting, don’t be silly! You know...

I don’t fear these entities. I feel for them. I feel for them. And imagine, imagine waking up in the morning and realizing that they’re still then, terrified of everything, terrified of their food source, terrified of their resource source. All dependent on humans staying asleep. And we ain’t staying asleep, vast numbers aren’t anyway. So they’re going to wake up and even more fearful, with every passing week, that their food source and their control system and their means is more and more under threat from an awakening humanity. I mean, beauty, rather you than me guys. Come and join us, let’s have a beer. Stop being so silly. That’s what I say.

JM: I understand what you’re saying.

BR: [laughs]

DI: As people awaken and expand their consciousness and we go into this epoch, this expanded epoch, this higher vibrational epoch, then humanity is gonna be moving into vibrational states – more and more people are – where these vampires of the old epoch, they cannot make the connection anymore, and they lose their power source. It’s an incredible change in the global, indeed the reality energy dynamic, from this to this, and it’s going to transform the reality that we now perceive into something extraordinary, incredible, amazing, for our children and grandchildren who will spend most of their lives enjoying.

JM: There is, on this Earth right now, dark forces that are from somewhere else, and there are good forces here from somewhere else, and that they are playing out some kind of a war, as we’ve been discussing. Some kind of a control factor is being at war with some kind of a good force that’s trying to save mankind during this transition.

BR: And you’re from somewhere else as well.

JM: Yes.

BR: You gave us two hours of video to testimony... to that.

JM: Yes I’ve just said that.

BR: And I think we’re all probably from somewhere else. Most of the people watching this video are probably from somewhere else. The pawns in the world are the people who you have sometimes made reference to, who don’t have a clue about what’s going on. But there are many who are realizing actually that they, too, are also from somewhere else, metaphorically or literally, and they’re the cavalry that we’ve been waiting for. We’re all here. The cavalry are already here. We just got to wake up.

DI: See, I think that the big picture is that we’re all from everywhere. You got this infinite consciousness, the infinite all, all that is, has been and ever will be, ever can be. All Possibility. The silent all. Everything and nothing. Everywhere and nowhere. All Possibility. That’s the core of all of us, and as we experience these different cosmic games, we perceive – in increasing senses of limitation compared with the core of our being, All Possibility, what I call Infinite Love – we perceive ourselves to be from here, or from there, or from wherever. What planet do you come from?

When actually, we’re everything that is, has been and ever will be. And that applies to the forces people call evil, it applies to the forces that people call good. The difference between those two is merely their point of observation of reality, at the point they’re observing. And it’s like – I don’t quote the Bible very much, I’m famous for it [chuckles], but – the prodigal son. The son goes out, causes, you know, this, and he’s supposed to be a bad son; and the good son that doesn’t leave the father, is the good son. But then the prodigal son comes back, and the father welcomes him with the same love, affection, as he has for the son that stayed with him, symbolically, didn’t go out into the dark world, the dark level.

And that’s what we’re playing. We’re playing this cosmic game, which through the lenses of physical bodies, or what we perceive as physical bodies, it affects fundamentally our point of observation. And a reptilian in terrible fear of not surviving and therefore I have to control everything, but I’m afraid of surviving and all that stuff, is a point of observation. A very desperately limited, dense, rather pathetic and, more than that, sad, point of observation of self in the world. But in the end, all will be gathered in. All will be gathered in. And that which is currently considered evil, and that which is currently considered good and enlightenment, eventually will remember that it is simply All Possibility having an experience.

And the more you expand your consciousness and awareness to understand that that is what we are, the more your point of observation goes from the size of a pea – I am Ethel Jones, I am a reptilian and I need to manipulate people – to I am all that is, having an experience. And I can have this experience but I know what is having the experience. I’ve not fallen for the illusion that I am the experience. These reptilian entities think that they are their experience, that’s why they’re so limited and rather pathetic. They have manipulated humanity to believe they are their experience.

What is happening as this epoch change goes on, is more and more people are remembering that they’re not their experience, that they are having an experience but what they are is something different. And as that shift takes place, there is a massive energetic shift takes place, and the ability of that level of awareness – the controlling system up to this point – to go on controlling... house of cards is over. It’s gone, it’s gone. Can’t do it any more. And that’s what we’re experiencing.

JM: Well I’m totally...

DI: Fantastic time to be alive, by the way.

JM: ...I’m totally convinced that we’re on the same page. We’re seeing the same thing.

DI: I couldn’t agree more.

BR: Is this your final words, Jordan, because this is evening here, as those of you watching this video can see, from the dark descending on the world outside of the window here, metaphorically only. And we’ve got dinner on the table which we have to stop and eat in a moment.

JM: Not a bad idea.

BR: And, a week or so ago, Jordan, we talked about the 19-year-olds, the guys and girls who are your age when you had the remarkable experience with your girlfriend’s father, and they’re waking up in hundreds of thousands, all over the world, watching this video and many others like it, wanting to know what’s going on, not being told the truth by their parents, teachers or the government. What are your words and encouragement for them? You can have the last words here. Take it away.

JM: All right. You're asking me for my subjective opinion and I’ll give you that. What I would suggest all people, all people, hearing my voice and watching this, should do, is to quietly find a place where you’re by yourself, and quietly ask the Spirit. Talk audibly, talk audibly to the great Spirit that men have called God – I don’t care what you call it, but the divine one, the presence of God.

I believe that there is a very powerful presence watching and protecting us, and so I would suggest talking to that great Spirit and asking it to protect you, to guide you and to have you meet whoever you’re supposed to, and to fulfill your destiny if it has one for you. So that's what I would suggest to all young people: start at that point. Just talk to God, so to speak. Talk to the Spirit and ask the Spirit to protect you, to guide you, to show you what you’re supposed to do, what you’re supposed to learn.

DI: Once people do that, the adventure starts.

JM: Definitely. Yes.

DI: The adventure starts. That’s when life becomes the adventure, when you get to that level and flow with it like Jordan said, and life is no longer a drudge. It’s a joy and it’s an adventure that just becomes a joy to experience.

JM: You’re exactly right.

DI: It’s the real self. Not the one that we’ve been manipulated to believe in, the false identity...

JM: Right.

DI: ...and that’s the difference. False identity, epoch past. Real self, epoch unfolding. Great time to be alive, honestly. Great time to be alive. Let’s go for it. Full done, mate. Cheers.

JM: Thank you. What a pleasure.

DI: Nice to talk to you.

JM: What a pleasure.

DI: Or talk with you.

JM: Yes.

BR: [chuckles]

JM: What a pleasure. Happy to be with you, David.

BR: Five stars, gentlemen. Well done.

DI: High fives. Definitely. Doubles all round. [laughs]

JM: That’s a thought.

BR: [laughs]

JM: Oh, ah. Okay.

DI: That was good.

BR: Okay Jordan. You’ve got to say something profound here.

JM: Good bye, and good luck.

BR: [laughs]

DI: [laughs]

Woman: And blessings...

JM: And bless you, my son.

Woman: [laughs]

JM: That’s about as profound as it’s gonna get tonight.

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