Duncan O’Finioan and David Corso
Project Camelot LA Awake and Aware:
Duncan O’Finioan and David Corso
Project Camelot LA Awake and Aware Conference
20 September 2009
[Ed note: Normally the transcripts that had any parts in them that had been difficult for the transcribers to hear were put in “audibles” in square brackets in red for Bill Ryan to attend to, fix, then he’d post the transcript; however, due to unexpected interruptions in the normal working process in Project Camelot, this normal process was not able to proceed forward, so the audibles were left in the square brackets.]
BILL RYAN (BR): One of the things that motivated Dr. Pete
Peterson to come forward was his own increasing distaste at the
projects which he had been involved in, and one of the many things we
talked to him about was what is known colloquially as the “Super
And… to refer to a human being
as this sort of asset,
in the Super Soldier Program, tells you a little bit about how the
Powers That Be regard the human life and the human spirit. Duncan
will tell you a little bit about this himself in the hour that he has
Duncan is the first generation of this particular
program. Off-record we talked to Dr. Pete Peterson, and I’ve
got to be a little careful about this, but he talked about Duncan
O’Finioan being the first generation of this program.
we say the
we’re not talking about fathers and sons; we’re talking
about leaps in technology.
Like the first generation aircraft
was the Wright Brothers. The second generation aircraft was a Second
World War early fighter jet. The third generation aircraft is the B-2
Bomber. The fourth generation aircraft are the things that officially
do not exist and which fly off in the secret space program.
Super Soldier Program is now in its fourth generation and we were
told some details about this.
KERRY CASSIDY (KC): At least.
BR: And I’m still trying... I’m still trying to
think… “At least” – I’m just
reporting. [audience laughter] You’re saying “at least”.
That may be true.
KC: No, it’s just that we don’t
know what generation for sure because we don’t know, you know,
they haven’t let on...
BR: I’m just reporting
what Dr. Pete Peterson told us.
KC: Project Talent. But go
BR: Yeah. [laughter] So, what you’re going to
hear just now is the personal story of somebody who is well-described
as a real-life Jason Bourne. He’s trying to discover his
identity. He’s trying to figure out who did this to him and
why, and what happened, and what memories he still has to recover in
the process. There are still blanks.
We are very privileged
to count him as a personal friend. He’s a man with a heart the
size of a planet. We love him to pieces and the best story here is
told from him in person. This is the important part of conferences
like this. When you’re looking at a little video which is two
inches by three inches on a computer screen, or reading a transcript,
it’s not the same as hearing the words spoken from the heart of
a man who has been so deeply affected by these programs.
O’Finioan, please come to the stage.
KC: Okay. I want to say a couple of words before we
get started. Duncan is a highly gifted psychic, among other things,
and I do want to say that when Bill was talking about first
generation and so on, actually, what we’re talking about…
The logical progression of that becomes robots – okay? –
becomes things like The
becomes things like human beings that are combined with machines, who
have limbs that have been enhanced.
I’m sure that
Duncan can clarify this for you, but that’s where we’re
going with this. So I just wanted to be a little more specific, not
quite so general, so that you understood where we’re going with
this. And there is no superficial relationship between some of the
things that Pete Peterson was involved in and we are not allowed to
talk about, and what those other levels of what Duncan was the first,
if you will, the test case or the main test case, prototype, however
you want to put it, the human prototype for.
Okay, so with
those leading comments, you can take that where you will –
[applause / ovation]
O’FINIOAN (DO’F): Thank you. Well, I did not expect
this. [laughs] I thank everybody for showing up this morning,
especially Bill and Kerry and Project Camelot for letting me do this.
I have no clue before I talk what I’m going to say. I
just walk up and let it come out. I’ll start with, as Bill was
alluding to... generations of this project is correct. This is,
basically, the fourth generation that we’re in now.
was first generation, 1960s. There was a previous generation in the
1950’s that was a failed experiment. So basically in my
generation, they started the program all from new, all from scratch
and we’re right now, if my information is correct, in the
What I’d like to do tonight or this
morning... hey, I’m still on East Coast time! [laughter] I
don’t know what time it is. I want to try something different.
I’m going to try to stay away for the first twenty minutes or
so from any scientific standpoint.
What I’d like
everyone to do is take a couple of deep breaths, exhale it slowly,
relax yourselves. Yeah. I’m going to try a little experiment of
my own and see how it goes.
We’re going to tell a
little story. The story starts in the winter of 1966, and if anybody
knows what eastern Kentucky looked like in 1966, well, you’re
better than I am, because I don’t remember. [laughs] You’re
talking two-lane roads, mostly gravel. Eastern Kentucky in the 1960’s
looked like a throwback to the 1920’s, and that’s where
Well, one winter afternoon I’m loaded
up in a truck by my parents and I’m taken to a hardware store.
It’s the only hardware store in the entire county, and in the
back of that store is a room that has a hidden door. I had walked by
that wall with the door numerous times with my Dad and my Granddad;
did not know it was there.
So, I was taken in by my Mom and
we went through the door and in this room was about eight to twelve
other kids about my age; I was six years old. And they’re all
sitting at these little low kindergarten-type tables and they all
have puzzles and they’re trying to put the puzzles together.
Now, walking around the room is a lady of European descent,
with an extremely-heavy accent. She comes over to me and helps me
take my jacket off and sets me down and asks me if I’d like to
play. I’m six years old -- of course I want to play. She gives
me some puzzle pieces and says: Make
a picture out of the pieces.
Well, for years, since I’ve started regaining all my
memories, we had thought that the test itself was making the correct
picture with the puzzle pieces. We don’t believe that’s
so now. What we think it was now was... The lady’s name was
Helga. She was a transmitter.
Audience Member (AM): Can you
talk just a little bit louder for us? [audience member continues but
the words are unintelligible, then audience laughs]
Okay. She’s a good friend of mine. I’m going to allow it.
What we believe now is that Helga was a sender, a
transmitter, a psychic transmitter, and the test was to see if I
would be a strong enough receiver, because as the project
transgressed through the years, we were mated up with another: one
being the transmitter, one being the receiver, one being the spotter,
one being the shooter. And that’s how we wound up being two-
and three-person teams, sometimes five. Okay? But we were always
together, psychic to soldier.
Now, I’m just going to
jump around a little bit because I’ve got an hour and I’m
going to assume most of you have seen the interview at one time or
Project Talent – The easiest way to
explain what Project Talent was… is basically, or was
basically, the taking of other peoples’ talents and using it
for their own purposes. Each one of us taken into this project had a
specific talent which the government took, trained, increased,
enhanced, and exploited. We were never supposed to regain our
memories but most... some of us have.
In 1966 in the group
that I was in, there was 1,000 of us. There’re less than 20
today. Half didn’t survive.
Now, the process…
Well first of all, how many knows what multiple personality disorder
is? Yeah. That’s about what I expected.
What they did
with us is they split our personalities. This was artificially
induced and if you go look at one of the paintings on the back wall
when you have a chance, you’ll see a graphic description of
what was done.
The alternate personality is the one that was
trained in every martial art known to humankind. We were trained to
fly every aircraft there was at that time. We were trained in every
aspect that you could think of, every art of war, every part of the
military there was.
We were, in essence, a par
of soldiers and we were used all around the world. A lot of our
assignments were for termination. A good deal was for
intelligence-gathering, but by and large we were assassins, pure and
simple, and someone needs to be held responsible for this.
where do we start? Who do we hold responsible now? I’m 50 years
old. The people who did this to us in my generation are probably long
gone. However, the projects continue under different names, different
guises; they still continue. So how do we stop it? Anybody? How do we
AM: By people like you talking.
I’m just a loudmouth on a stage.
DO’F: That’s one. How about we turn ourselves
[multiple voices at once / inaudible]
We were created to be a private army in the future. People ask me: If
you’re exposing this, you went through all this, why are you
I’m still alive for two reasons. I was part of a project; the
project has not ended. It’s still ongoing.
most of us are still alive is they hope to activate us one last time
and be the protectors, the private army of the elite of this country.
I’m not going to do it and I don’t know any of us
DO’F: Now, what I’m
going to do with the rest of my time is kind of turn this over to the
audience. You know, I don’t have a whole lot new to talk about.
I’ve pretty much done that. There’s a lot of new things
that is still in the hypothesis stage... I never say anything as fact
unless I have three points of reference and proof to back it up.
So, what I’d like to do is turn this over to kind of a
quasi Q&A, if you don’t mind. So, if anybody has anything
that they would like me to add on to or to explain more, let’s
do that for awhile.
Yeah. She had her hand up before you.
[laughs with audience]
PC ASSISTANT: Why don’t we have
people queue up over here to save time?
fine. Cool. Okay.
AM 1: I know with your multiple personality
they have a way of triggering you, you know, changing you -- have you
found with any of the other people or with yourself, any way to be
able to stop that?
Whether it be, like… I know that we
have a third eye and a capital “I”. You know, some way
that you can fight back by not allowing it to be turned on? How would
you have control if they turned on something that you don’t
have any control over?
DO’F: Well, what happened with
me is I was in a car accident about twelve years ago and I had to
have an MRI done on my skull, and it didn’t like the chip or
the chip didn’t like it. So, it’s not completely
deactivated, but it’s been damaged enough.
going on now for some of us is… this going to sound so
unbelievable. Our alternate personalities are beginning to merge with
our primary personalities. What were once two people are now becoming
one, and that is something that the Illuminati, the Elite, the
Bankers -- whatever title you want to put on them -- that is
something that scares them to death, because the alternate
personalities are integrating our memories, our emotions that they
AM 2: You mentioned in the video that you
have some telekinetic abilities. Are you able to consciously control
these in this personality at this point? I’d sure love to see a
demonstration! [Duncan laughs] And also, can you train other people
in how to use some of the stuff you learned?
Yeah, the Amazing Randi [Ed note: James Randi is a world-renown
super-skeptic of paranormal phenomena.] would like to see that too.
[laughs] Most of any psy abilities that I have are tied into the
alternate personality. One of the reasons that I was a shooter is
because I was best at being a soldier, not the psychic spy, not the
remote viewer. I was one of the worst remote viewers in the world.
You know, I was more suited to be a physical, augmented soldier.
3: Yeah, Hi Duncan. I have a book that’s called Mind
Control of America
and I understand that you were programmed as a soldier. This book,
the topic of the book, is about women that were groomed from the time
they were very small to be basically sex slaves for a lot of people
who are in power.
DO’F: Project Monarch.
Using dark ceremonies in order to control the, kind of the orgasmic
energy, into the darkness. I was just wondering, do you know about
DO’F: Yeah, that’s kundalini magic. That
ties in. A lot of these programs use ritualistic magic and it is dark
magic. So, yeah, I am aware of what you’re talking about.
3: Yeah, because she claims to have had sexual relationships with a
lot of people in power throughout the years; her and a bunch of women
that, like you, are starting to remember and have shattered multiple
personalities, very similar stuff... [end of sentence unclear]
DO’F: Thank you.
AM 4: Hello and thank you for
being here. I read Ender’s
and I just want to know, have you read Ender’s
and, I guess, have they tried to take people off-planet to cover it
up? And, like, how much of that is true or is it false?
I didn’t quite understand.
AM 4: Oh, have you ever read
the book Ender’s
by Orson Scott Card?
DO’F: No, I haven’t. I don’t
watch movies. I don’t read books. [laughs] I stay away from it
as much as I can.
AM 4: Because your story reminds me of
Basically Orson Scott Card writes about grooming a six-year-old to
fight the alien invaders that will be coming in the future. But in
what happens is that, you know, the government wants to cover
everything up and so they ultimately take people off-planet. So I was
just wondering if you knew…
familiar with what you’re saying, but I really couldn’t
AM 4: Okay, great. Thank you.
AM 5: I guess we’ve all got books that kind
of relate to this and mine is TRANCE
Formation of America.
I’m familiar. I’m familiar with it, yeah.
In that particular book, pedophilia was one of the means they used to
create multiple personalities and I just wondered was pedophilia a
part of your…?
DO’F: I have no memory of sexual
abuse. This is the reason I wanted to do the Q&A. Every question
is leading me into the explanation [that] I was wanting to get into.
My alternate was instilled due to trauma-based torture. Okay? I was,
over a period of time…
What a lot of people think when
they see the previous interviews is that once I was taken from
Kentucky to wherever I went, this was done instantaneous over one
day. No, this took place over weeks and months. All right?
started out with being strapped into a wooden chair, with the strobe
lights, being talked to, slapped around. I learned what
water-boarding was by the time I was seven. Okay? Then they would
start with the needles under the fingernails. They would do one, then
a few days, maybe a week later, two. The purpose for this was to
increase the pain tolerance. Okay?
They wanted us to have a
pain tolerance that was unbelievable, so that they could finally get
to the point to where they could have all ten fingernails with
needles underneath and then an electric current being put through
them. Then I was given a drug so that I could not faint, I couldn’t
So at that point, your psyche has a choice to
split off to an alternate personality or die. I split. Most of them
didn’t. Does that help?
AM 6: I think you’re very
brave to come to this sort of meeting... I would think you would be
at risk. But anyway, you were mentioning that there were initially
1,000 recruits. Now did all 1,000 go through the program or... you
said there are only 20 remaining?
DO’F: It’s my
understanding that only 20 of us are remaining alive. The 1,000 that
were taken into the project in 1966 were the first-generation
augmented individuals. They were from all over the world. I remember
kids from Australia, England... when I say from all
over the world,
I’m talking about the Allies, the Allied countries that we had
at that time.
I do know that the former Soviet Union was
working on a very similar program, as well as China was working on a
similar program. There was one incident in my early 20s when I went
up against one of my Soviet counterparts. I lost that one.
7: How did your parents react to this? Did they have a problem with
that? [audience laughs]
DO’F: My parents? I’m
going to be diplomatic. [laughs] No, it’s a good question, it’s
an excellent question. My father was in the CIA. That’s how my
involvement came about. This is a generational project. I haven’t
spoken to my mother or my siblings in over 20 years and I have no
desire to. What do they think about this? [makes dismissive sound]
They would probably as soon see me in the ground right now, and
that’s being diplomatic.
AM 8: Duncan, I’m very
sympathetic with your state, the severe trauma that makes the
multiple personality disorder, and in fact, most of our soldiers who
go abroad and experience trauma experience something called Post
Traumatic Stress Disorder.
You have a very severe case of that and I would like to suggest, if
you didn’t know about it, there are some very good mind/ body
medicine techniques that can be used to really release the trauma and
emotions connected with the trauma that could possibly lead to a
healing. And when you said that you felt that the various
personalities were beginning to merge, actually I think that’s
the mind/ body trying to heal.
But I think the point is that
you want to get rid of the Traumatic Stress Disorder, so that you can
go back to being your whole self. So, if you want more information
about that, I may be able to help you.
Thank you. The problem with that, with the personalities merging?
When that begins to take place, we really don’t have a choice.
We either let the personalities merge together; we let the implanted
personality take control, which would not be a good thing; or we
become one person kind of right down the middle with the original and
the augmented... something that at least has some emotions and some
understanding of right and wrong.
The alternate personality
has, at that time before they begin to merge, has no emotions. Right
and wrong means nothing – okay? – simply follow orders.
AM 9: Duncan, thank you for being here and sharing with us
DO’F: Thank you.
AM 9: It’s
probably been a couple of years since I’ve seen your interview.
I was wondering if you could talk about the experience when you were
in a team, I guess? You were youngsters... when you came in. I don’t
remember if you guys stood in a semi-circle or a full circle, but you
took out the enemy. Could you discuss your perspective on the
energetic mechanics of what was going on, how you did that, and
perhaps some of the other phenomenon that might have been similar?
DO’F: Yeah... ah... [makes shushing gesture] s-h-h-h.
Don’t tell anybody; we were in Cambodia. We weren’t
supposed to be in Cambodia during Vietnam – okay? – but
we were there. There are some people in this room that were there.
After we’re finished, if anybody wants to talk to them, I’ll
We were thrown in as part of a rescue
operation. A couple of SEAL teams and OSS [Ed note: Office of
Strategic Services] teams were pinned down by Khmer Rouge fire. The
process by… ah... What we did, I really don’t have an
explanation. But you’re correct. We came out and we formed a
semi-circle facing the direction of the enemy fire, and we do have
some more information on that since we did the interview.
were twelve of us. I was Team Leader. Consider: each of us as an
individual acted as a battery and we transferred all that energy into
something else – it was a thirteenth person, but we don’t
know who the thirteenth person was. The thirteen, again, being a
The number of dead that day numbered in the
hundreds. We then got back on the chopper and we flew off.
9: I take it that that was also another aspect of the training that
one of the other personalities is schooled in.
Correct. Correct. Thanks.
AM 10: Thank you, Duncan, for being
here. You’re very brave.
DO’F: Thank you.
10: I watched the video with Dave Corso and you seemed to have more
memory than he did. He doesn’t seem to have the memories that
you do or... [inaudible]... Was he in your program, or was he the
generation that failed?
DO’F: No, Corso was not in my
particular project. He was in a different sub-project. Okay? Project
Talent wasn’t the only game in town with all this. There were a
dozen sub-projects going on. For example, Project Talent fell
underneath the umbrella of MK Ultra, MK Ultra being a catchall phrase
for anything concerning mind control.
There were 172
different sub-programs under MK Ultra – Project Talent being
one. Project Talent was where I began and then I was moved. As I said
a lot of times, Project Talent’s like going to school –
okay? – and I was moved from Project Talent to the Ultimate
Warrior Project, because I was more suited to be a physical soldier
than a mental/ psychic soldier.
To answer your question
about Dave Corso, Dave Corso began getting his memories right the
time he should, late 50s pushing 60, 61. That is when the blocks
begin to wear down and the memories start to come together. He got
them back right at the perfect time.
I got my memories back
because of an automobile accident. If I had not had the accident, I
don’t think I’d standing up here right now. I would
probably still be utilized and I would probably be in the Middle East
AM 10: You’d still be working?
I have no doubt that I would still be part of the program.
10: Thank you.
AM 11: Hi Duncan.
AM 11: I grew up in eastern Kentucky,
so I’m very familiar with that area and the people that live
there. One of the interesting things about that area was that in the
1500s and 1600s, a lot of the people that populate those mountains
and areas were people from the British Isles and they were, I don’t
say all, I’d say some... [inaudible]... were running from the
law, so they populated those mountains and they were very closely
knit and still are in the community. And my question to you is, can
you talk about… you mentioned that your grandfather was
[inaudible]... Can you talk about that at all and how that affected
DO’F: I had two grandfathers at that time. One’s
name was Bull. He was full-blooded Cherokee. The other was my
father’s stepfather and I grew up more with my father’s
stepfather than I did ever… What county or what town were you
AM 11: Ashland. [says more... inaudible]
Ashland? Okay, I know where you’re from. Yeah, you’re
absolutely right, during that time the mountains were littered with
people that bail bondsmen would love to have seen. [laughs] They
probably still are. [laughs] In all honesty, I have not been back
there in 17 years. It’s been that long since I’ve been
back and I seriously doubt if I will ever go back. Okay?
12: Duncan, you talked about how the two personalities for those less
than 20 of you from your group who are still here are merging, these
AM 12: And the
Powers That Be are fearful of that. You said they don’t want
that to happen.
DO’F: Right. Correct.
Can you just touch a little bit on that and why? What’s causing
those two personalities at this time to merge?
What’s causing the merging? We have no clue and neither do they
because it was not supposed to take place.
them about the two personalities merging? My alternate
personalities... one of my alternates; I have four. Two of them, we
don’t know how they got there. Okay? My primary alternate is
known as Omega Unit 197. He knows where all the bodies are buried. He
has all the knowledge, all the locations, the dates, the places, the
bank accounts, etcetera. Imagine when we finally merge, I’ll
have that knowledge in this personality.
That better terrify
them because I will
turn it against them. [applause]
KC: Hi there. I just want to
sort of step in here and sort of help move things along here. Duncan,
you’re doing a great job. There’s some interesting energy
in the room right now. Miriam Delicado are you in the audience? Is
she there? Okay, if she is, could she please come on stage? Thank
This is Dave Corso. [applause] Bill, are you with us?
Thank you. Okay.
DO’F: I need a little break for a
KC: We’re just going to give Duncan a little
breather here and I’d like Dave Corso to say a few words to
you. Duncan does have more than one alternate and he is investigating
this very deeply. You have to understand that once somebody does
that, breaking down those walls makes them very vulnerable.
if you’ve seen the recent Terminator
movie, it’s no lie – okay? – so just follow that
character’s trajectory in trying to find out what was done to
him and watch his emotions and you’ll have some clue as to
what’s going on here. Okay? So, if you haven’t seen the
movie, I encourage you to do so because it’s really remarkable.
DAVE CORSO (DC): Thank you. [applause]
[muffled / unclear; Dave is paying a compliment to Kerry]
...to be where you are.
KC: [whispers] Thank you.
Let me explain to you how I met Duncan in this iteration of life. We
had a mutual friend named John Morrow. John Morrow was the thirteenth
member of the team. When the helicopter landed in... [inaudible /
broken up; Duncan’s voice being picked up by mic, overriding
There’s an energy that’s
working in here now ... bring it on! [applause]
My team was
sent to rescue another Special Forces-type team. We had some
problems. I called for backup. Well, about 10 minutes later, this
CH-47 Chinook lands and these twelve kids get out... What the hell
was this? Bullets flying everywhere!
little kid with a big Afro, a white kid, that one right there.
[indicates Duncan/ audience laughs]
I said: What
the hell’s this?
Before I could ask the question, these kids formed a circle,
joined hands and there was a thunderclap and a flash of light like
I’ve never seen. I looked at the helicopter as my vision comes
back and there’s a guy, and I said: I
don’t know this guy; I don’t even know what his uniform
He was an Officer in the Army, I think.
To make a long story
short, they flew away, we got together our team that had come to
rescue... and I asked the Master Sergeant: What
do you know? What do you recall?
And he said: A
blinding flash and the bullets stopped.
There were hundreds of Vietcong bodies as we wended our way back out,
and we got to our chopper and we got out of there
weeks later in Saigon, I ran across this Officer again and he had
this horrified look on his face. He had an insignia on his shoulder
that I had never seen before. Okay, that was 1967.
fast-forward to 1992. I’m in Pahrump, Nevada, in my computer
shop and this guy walks through the door and my first instinct was to
kill him. And I said: Why
do I feel that way?
Well, as he introduced himself – his name was John
Morrow – as he and I talked, I could sense there was something
unusual about this gentleman. Well, John and I got to be good friends
and one day after I had closed my shop... John was over because I was
doing some work on his computer.
I said: Let
me tell you, John, what I first experienced with you. When you first
came in my shop…
I says: …my
first instinct was to kill you,
and John Morrow’s face got ashen-white.
I said: I
know you from Vietnam.
I said: When
you introduced Duncan and I in this iteration, you were surprised
that we knew each other and you were even more surprised that Sean
and I knew each other.
I said: You
didn’t expect that.
He said: No.
He gave me some more background on Dunc’, because he
was one of Dunc’s trainers.
John Morrow was a very
unassuming gentleman. When you looked at him, you’d think what
a big teddy bear. John loved cats. John loved my dogs. John was my
friend, but he was a robot.
There’s a robot or two in
here today. I no longer sense their being a danger, but when I met
Dunc – and I’m not telling the story about the yellow
snake, either [Duncan laughs] – that’s a story for
another time, but you won’t believe it and I didn’t...
My son… I have a son that’s named David Thomas. He
has an unusual knack of... he’ll ask me what I think are stupid
questions until I think about it.
My nightmares started in
1983 when my son and I are sitting in the little two-man rubber life
raft fishing in Strawberry Lake in California.
He looked at
me and said: Daddy,
I got a question for you.
I said: What’s
He says: What
did you do in Vietnam? What did you really do? Because at times, man,
you just act really weird!
(I said: [thinking] He’s
nine years old. What’s he asking me what I did in Vietnam for?)
I said: I
think I did... this.
That night, the nightmares started.
Dunc and I have been
through iterations of life together, as have Allison and I, and Laura
and I. I’m here to meet people, to tell you this: Whatever
Duncan says, you can take it to the bank.
DC: Dunc has other information that I
don’t know if he’s going to share today or not that I’m
privy to. He talked about teams of three. Well, the third member is
I’m the anchor. Dunc’s the soldier
and we have the outlook, this iteration of “outlook.”
There are more than one.
I am so grateful that I live in this
country. I had an opportunity to go to work for the Russians after my
term was over in the US military. I looked at this guy and I said:
you are going to give me? Make me a Major for six months, get my
information and kill me?
As I turned to walk away, he was gone. [snaps fingers] That quick. It
happened on a street in Oakland, California.
You all have
good hearts and souls, but I’ve seen one thing, because my
talent is taking a mosaic and making a picture.
A lot of you
have a lot of the pieces. We need to sit down as a group and not
design a camel, which is a horse designed by committee, but sit as a
group, bring out one truth. The truth stands by itself. And what is
the truth? Well, it’s something that is politically acceptable
today. It may not be politically acceptable tomorrow.
the truth is this, relaying an event or situation exactly as it is
without taking to or adding from that event to make someone right or
somebody wrong. Believe me, I know that’s true. People say I’m
crazy. Well, I’m not crazy. It just happens you’re not in
my normal realm. [laughter/ applause]
I have wolves. I raised
wolves and I have a wolf that lives in my house. He’s a
DO’F: I thought he was mine.
[to Duncan] You can dream on all you want. [laughs] I have a wolf
named Herk. Dunc and I made a 300-mile trip, about a 400-mile trip
one way. I took Herk with me because I felt so inspired. Now, this
wolf was, what, four months old? He was four months old.
got in the car just like it was normal. A hundred and fifty miles
down the road, he stands up and looks at Duncan, he looks at me and I
think we’d better stop.
He had to do his thing. He got back in the car. We drove on. We got
to our destination and I thought to myself: This
is a purebred wolf…
This woman had two little dogs as I recall.
and a cat.
DC: And a cat. My wolf got along fine with them.
[from the background]: Woof!
DC: Thank you, boy, I appreciate that!
DO’F: You had to do it, didn’t you?
Well, I got a thing with dogs. Anyways, as we were coming home we
stopped at a well-known sandwich shop. We got two burgers: two for
Dunc, two for me, and two for the “dog”. You know what?
My dog wouldn’t eat them. He buried them in the seat; I found
them the next day. So much for lovin’ it, I guess.
I have had some amazing adventures with Dunc. Sitting in my living
room like it says in my interview… Now, stereo and things were
turned off; it shouldn’t make a noise. Right? How about a loud
pop that hurts your ears? Have you ever experienced that? Electronics
go pop? It’s a psychic attack.
DC: Well, you were there, you should know. Either that or
your twin sister was there. I have a lot of fun with life. Things
seem to be clearer in the here and now, and if they’re not,
bring it on... [unclear]... I’m ready for ya.
That’s right. Okay, let’s take a couple of the other
questions here. You’ve got two people and you can ask, either
one. Duncan has actually got a mic on him. Duncan, say a few words,
so we can make sure it’s working.
AM 13: Okay. Hi, I’m
just wondering if we look x-ray photographs of your arm, your
shoulder, and your head, would we see anything interesting in those?
DO’F: You would see metallic objects. I have x-rays and
photographs of the implant in my left hand; the cranial implant. I
don’t have one of the shoulders, because I can’t seem to
get my HMO to pay for it.
AM 13: You think you could release
those online for us?
AM 13: Could
you release those photographs online for us?
AM 13: They are? Are they anywhere on your website?
DO’F: They’re on my website, yeah.
DO’F: Mm-hm. It’s www.duncanofinioan.com.
AM 13: If you could say that website one more time?
AM 14: First I just want to thank you both for being here
today and for being courageous enough to speak with us and tell your
stories. I do have a few questions. One is Project Talent. What were
some of the other talents that the children expressed and, if you
could, introduce us to some of them that are remaining today?
Project Talent, like Duncan said, is a far-reaching program.
talent, among others, is taking a mosaic of little bits of
information and giving you a very clear picture. That has been
brought home this weekend. There are people here that I was meant to
meet. There’s three in the back room right now.
wasn’t taken for periods of time. I was taken for the summers.
I was a summer school, so to speak. My training started when I was
six years old when my brother brought home – who happened to be
a Staff Sergeant in the Marine Corps at that time – brought
home a .22 target rifle. That was part of my training because he was
also in early Project Talent, as I found out later.
would be gone in the summer, come home in time to go to school, and I
had all these memories of being with my Uncle Ed who was a peddler.
I asked my mother one time before she died, I
I got a question for you.
She said: What?
I said: I
have these memories of being with my Uncle Ed in the summertime,
going out on the road.
were never with Uncle Ed.
I said: Then
what did I do?
She said: When
you get older, you’ll figure it out.
And mother gave me that smile that said: You’ve
asked enough questions.
Mother, God rest her soul, went Home in 1993. Before she
went, she showed me a journal she had kept of the time I was in the
service. Every time I got hurt, every time something significant
happened on a mission, she wrote down where I was, what I was doing,
and where I got hurt and what the event was.
I said: How
did you know this?
And she said: I
am your psychic anchor.
I said: I
didn’t know that.
She said: There’re
lots you don’t know yet.
My mother, God rest her, was an angel. Boy, could she be a
holy terror. [Duncan laughs] I’m different than Dunc. I don’t
have any Native American blood in me that I know of. However, I say
I’m Sicilian, that’s because my mother was Scotch-Irish.
My father was purebred Sicilian and I was raised by my grandparents.
And it’s interesting to know that when I was talking to
the third member of our team... Friday morning I’m laying in
bed at my niece’s before I come over here, at 4:30 in the
morning and I said, Hey
Allie, it’s 4:30. Send a message to him,
but he never gets it.
I ask Allie, I says: What
happened at 4:30 this morning?
She said I woke up out of a sound sleep and sat up and said:
Psychic abilities are alive and well. I’m just finding
out what mine are. I never thought to even question myself about it.
Well, last night we were sitting in the cafe. Allie and I
looked at each other at the same time and… somebody was there.
Somebody was there. There was a psychic vampire, was the second thing
Robots don’t know they’re being used.
They don’t know what training they’ve had. They have no
knowledge, no memory, so we can’t hold it against them
personally. But understand, as many people as there are, are
different programs because everybody has different natural native
talents that have to be...ah... capitalized on. And I hope I’ve
answered your question.
Am 14: Yes, you did and I have two
DC: Go ahead.
AM 14: You almost
actually led into them. The second question is how can we locate,
communicate with, the members of the subsequent programs, the next
generations that they were talking about, and help them to understand
what’s going on with them?
DO’F: I don’t
think you want to. We are the way we are without explanation. We
don’t have one. As I said earlier, we were never supposed to
retrieve our memories, at least not at this age. I helped Dave get
his back. I got mine back due to an automobile accident, so I woke up
The generation of people that are in this project
today, which would be the fourth generation... Jeez! That is a very
scary thought: To
try to locate one of these guys and communicate and try to reason
with that person, if they’re in an alter [personality].
BR: We have some information about the fourth generation that
I think, in the context of what you’ve told us, we should maybe
say a few words about.
These soldiers are not human. They can
sit in a doctor’s surgery and pass the tests and the doctor
would not know if it was not an invasive test. Blood pressure
reading, EEG, ECG; they pass the tests. They’d be a healthy,
strong-looking, quite large, muscular-looking man.
who told us this once had a company, had a corporation, and the name
of that corporation was Cyberdyne. Anyone seen the Terminator
movies? Okay. This is a reference to what we heard yesterday about
how the reality merges into the Hollywood movie industry as a way of,
I believe, primarily as a way of disguising the truth, because when
somebody says: Hey,
you know, these stargates are real,
then they get laughed at because it was just something that came out
of a movie script. This is how they hide things like that.
Cyberdyne is one of those examples. The person who told us
this, we pushed quite a lot. We had quite an interesting conversation
about it and we were given to understand that one of the many
functions of these soldiers, for lack of a better word... of course
they can go into space without any problem at all. They don’t
need to breathe.
And the numbers of these soldiers, we were
told, were something in the region of 15,000. They’ve never
been deployed in combat, we were told, because then their existence
would be revealed. But whoever the enemy is, and we’re not sure
in this context, they are given to believe that they exist, but
they’ve never been used.
Now, that’s pretty much
all I know. I’d like to ask Dave and Duncan here whether this
fits with what you believe you understand. This is a conversation we
DC: It, of necessity, has to fit. I mean,
Bill gave an analogy with airplanes, on the generations. Let’s
take a better look, let’s take a look at computers. In 1962
when I was first introduced to computers, they’d almost fill
this room. Yet I have one sitting on my desk. Well, I have six
computers on my network at home. I happen to like to play with
computers. That computer is three years old. It has more computing
power than the first five computers they built that were the size of
Every... it used to be every two years, then it
was every 18 months and now it’s every year they double the
capacity and abilities of microprocessor chips. A microprocessor chip
is about the size of a half-dollar. Used to be they had one computer
chip system inside there, then there was two, now there’s four.
Same size chip.
So his analogy that he wants is, what’s
the fourth generation like? They’re probably in fifth or sixth
generation by now. That, to me, is absolutely terrifying and I’m
scared of damned few things in this world. And we’re not
talking about the yellow snake either. [Duncan laughs] All right,
I’ll confess: I
DO’F: Listen, long and short: You do not
create an army unless you intend to deploy
that army. This fourth generation Super Soldier / Warrior Soldier,
whatever you want to call it, are some bad people. I couldn’t
stop one. I was the best we had at my generation. I cannot stop one.
The possibility is very, very real they will be turned loose on the
American populace. What do you want to do about it? I want to stop
If they turn this fourth generation loose on us, we’re
toast. And they will try to reactivate each and every one of us in
first, second, and third generation to join with them.
don’t expose them now and try to at least put up a blockade, we
will not have a chance. They are that good. They are that strong.
They are that invincible. We have very, very little time in which to
pull this thing off. So what do you want to do about it?
Just a little data-point which I’ve just remembered... we were
told that two of these can pick up an Abrams tank. [laughter /
comments – inaudible]
DO’F: I can do a
1,000-pound dead-lift at 49 years old and a broken neck. My neck was
broken in three places in my car accident. I was never supposed to
lift anything heavier than a cup of coffee. I can dead-lift 1,000
pounds. That’s first generation. What Bill just said about
fourth generation… think about it.
KC: I just want to
add that we have been told – Okay? – can’t say
where our source came from, but that Duncan’s quite right that
the American people, for one, are targets, could
be the targets of some of this army at some point in the future.
were also told that a war is “anticipated”, if you will;
one with China and two with visiting races, off-planet – okay?
– and that these “beings” that are being created
actually have the capacity to handle that situation. And all of this
is absolutely Top Secret, absolutely.
The fact that Duncan is
coming forward and Dave Corso, and the fact that they found each
other means that there is a power higher and more powerful than
anything created by man. It’s testimony to that, the fact that
we are finding each other.
There are some other people in
this audience today that found us and found Dave Corso and Duncan and
they were involved as well. And they, some of them, don’t even
know how deep yet. Okay? Some of those people were used, again,
against their will.
And I have to say that, you know, there
are a lot of soldiers out there being used in very many different
ways that they don’t realize. There are also people, sleepers,
all around us that are being used even at night in their, if you want
to call it, their light-body, being used, being trained, being
utilized. So this is a very deep rabbit hole, so I just wanted to
sort of paint that for you a bit.
AM 15: What is a blockade?
KC: Say that again.
AM 15: What is a blockade? He
mentioned we need a blockade.
DC: What blockade? Blockade?
DO’F: Oh, no, no, no. I said
throw up a block, like playing football, to try to put a block up, so
that they can’t get to you.
Information. We need as
many people to come forward as possible. We need you,
anything an individual can do, even if it’s as little as
mentioning what’s talked about here on a radio program. Even…
be a call-in. Even as much as writing your Congressman. I know that’s
a waste of time, but you can flood their offices. I know. I’ve
written the President, okay? I get fan letters. [laughs]
you can do… because, people, this
is a war,
make no mistake about it. And we are going to be fighting an enemy
that you cannot imagine. Okay? So we need help. We need your help.
AM 16: Could we not just stop them by meditation? Is it not
possible to change ... [unclear] ... by actually projecting it ...
AM 16: I mean, we as
people have no strength, but we have the strength of our thoughts.
DO’F: That’s very true, absolutely very true and
I appreciate everything you and others that I know in here that are
working right now. Okay? That’s very true.
But at the
same time, we need a physical presence, to show a physical presence
know who you are, we know what your agenda is, we’re going to
stop you one way or another.
All the love and light works with it. They compliment each
other. You can’t have one without the other. That’s the
point that I was trying to make. And I do have a nasty habit of
speaking too fast because my brain works faster than my mouth and a
lot of times it doesn’t make sense. So you just have to tell me
to shut up, say it again, slow down with it and go.
It’s my last question and after, I’ll just offer one
possible solution, but I’m glad you mentioned that everyone has
talents. I was curious how the rest of everyone here as well as
around the world can identify and develop their talents responsibly?
DO’F: It’s generally widely accepted that
everyone has a certain degree of PSI abilities. We’re born with
that. If you’re asking me how would you go about strengthening
or enhancing that? First of all, stay away from anything that has
“Project” on the beginning of it. [laughter from all and
KC: Except for Project Camelot, of course.
Audience: [laughter from all]
DO’F: All right,
my mistake. [laughs] Find a teacher. Find a teacher, someone who is a
white-lighter, a true white-lighter, and work with them. Let them
AM 17: And then the possible solution... It was
with a conversation with Cynthia and another one of the guests, she
said that similar to what this individual was talking about, if we
can send white light energy and love – call it prayer, call it
what you will, to... you know, it’s a radical idea…
…but to the Illuminati and to leaders out there, so
that they can help to understand, really, what they’re doing
and so that they will have more love and actually change their minds
to prevent unleashing such a Super Soldier force, as well as helping
to shield them in the same energies that are shielding you, so that
the negative energies that are around them will not be able to be
DO’F: You raise an excellent point, but,
however, believe me, the Illuminati know exactly what they’re
doing. To pick up on what you’re running with: thought
So, as the lady here said with the positive thoughts –
absolutely, you can manifest those positive thoughts into reality.
What you’re saying has merit and it possibly has a chance, but
in the meantime, we need to have some type of preparation if it
AM 17: Absolutely. Thank you so much.
KC: I want to say something here. What we’re talking
about is awareness – okay? – being awake and being aware,
knowing, becoming aware. Just the act of learning and becoming aware,
just what we’re doing right here, this creates the power. Okay?
It’s not enough to just send blind light, blind love –
it must be intelligent. It must have perception attached. You must do
more than just give the heart. Okay? You must understand what you’re
seeing and why you’re doing what you’re doing. So,
knowing and putting that piece together. That’s the missing
piece. And then, it’s awareness. What you want to convey is the
awareness of all the aspects of what’s going on there. Okay?
So if you’re loving, you’re loving consciously,
knowing all the parameters of what that means, not blindly. So don’t
give your energy blindly. If you want to give your energy and power
and light and love to the Illuminati, know what you’re doing.
Be conscious while you’re doing it.
(MD): I want to tell you that, in that respect, there’s
something that I’ve done in the past in a particular situation
where there were so many people involved, there were so many levels
of understanding. I really sat and I meditated and asked my contacts:
is it that I can send to them?
So I sent one message: I asked for every individual involved
to see the truth, to understand it, and accept it. Because the truth
will come from universal understanding and not only truth on the
level of life here. So the truth would be that they’re doing
wrong and they would see it, they would understand it, and they would
accept it, and then there is no choice. At that point comes change.
So send them, and send the world, that the world sees and
understands and accepts the truth. Thank you. [applause]
So awareness is its best defense. That’s your defense: total
awareness. That means that when the Earth and all Humanity is an
awake Being, one awake Being, then nothing can stop you. Okay?
18: Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for being here. Have either of
you tried hypnosis to try to fill in some of the blanks or merge the
personalities? I know it’s probably a silly question, you
DO’F: Oh no, it’s not a silly
question at all. It’s a logical assumption that we had done
that and the answer to the question is, yeah, I did, once, but I
tried to kill the therapist. The alternate took over and tried to
kill the therapist.
AM 18: I was
going to volunteer. [laughter] We’ll save that!
This is an idea that some of us have actually bounced around for a
couple of years, is that – if we can find a therapist who’s
willing to do this – I would have to be chained to where I
couldn’t move and then you can do what you do. And if... not
if, but when the alternate is triggered, hopefully you’d be
AM 18: I’m game.
DO’F: Okay, we’ll
definitely talk about it.
CYNTHIA CRAWFORD (CC): I have a
statement that is going to be very profound for you. I have contact
with Beings from other worlds and I have my whole life. I have been…
the government has tried to kill me because I am a product of a
hybrid program they created.
But recently when I was in
Laughlin, I was blessed to meet a man who has been taken out of his
bed against his will, forced on these ships and trained, and this
includes his family, trained to use alien technology to kill. And
Barbara Lamb, as some of you know, did not know how to respond other
you try using love and light on these beings to stop them?
And the gentleman said: There
is no amount of love and light to stop them.
And he was brought to me and I said to him: If
love and light and all these religious different things people say,
“Send the power of the Christ energy to them,” doesn’t
work, perhaps they are of the light.
And all of a sudden I was downloaded with information that
just blew me away. I found out there is a number of thousands upon
thousands of Sirian Warriors of Light that are on this planet now
that have the ability with the alien technology to protect the Light
Workers – not only to protect them, they will kill them [Ed
note: killing the Super Solders, that is.] if they have to. And they
are designed to go up against the super-humans and you would not
believe what they are doing.
I have been shown the stargates,
as I know you guys know about the stargates, what’s going to
happen on the stargates. You know about that?
not touching that one. I do know about the stargates.
Okay. Well, I’ve been shown what’s going to happen in the
future. But I have to tell you, you have to trust in the Sirian
Warriors of Light. They are here for a purpose. Many of them are just
beginning to wake up. They also have with them, besides the army
that’s going to help fight against the super-humans, they also
have people, including a 13-year-old girl I met who can literally do
hands-on healing and she’s also Sirian.
They are waking
up. They’re getting ready. They’re preparing and they
said there’s an urgency now – now
– to wake up. We all need to put our own light and love behind
them and with them, because we’re going to have a hard job.
It’s going to be very hard, but we can do it.
DO’F: Thank you.
AM 19: Hi.
Thank you for being here. My question... you mentioned yesterday on
the panel one of the positive things that you were doing kind of just
for the next year, you had mentioned music. But you had just
mentioned that you don’t watch television or anything like that
or movies, and I understand that your training was probably
trauma-based, but there is music triggers as well. So I’m just
curious, is there any music that you can’t... or if anything
has happened if you have listened to any music?
What I was doing yesterday was using… I think what I said
about if the government controls alien ET Disclosure, I don’t
like the music at that party. I was just using that as a comic
reference. But to answer your question fully, no, I watch very little
TV. As far as music goes, I stick with classical. I like Celtic
music. That’s about it.
AM 19: Okay, thank you.
20: Duncan, in light of the purpose in the whole way that Camelot
works, which is to expose and to be protected by exposure of truth,
have you guys thought about doing everything you could to get actual
memories with dates, times, who was killed, where they were killed
and a list of it that would fully expose the program and could have
DO’F: That, in some respects, would
definitely help to expose, but it wouldn’t entirely expose.
What we have been doing is basically putting a call out for anyone
who is involved with these projects to get in touch with us.
as I have made reference to with people over this weekend – my
group. That’s my group. We’re all past unwilling
participants in one project or another with this. So, we’re
trying to come together and by coming together and talking and
putting all this… that’s how we’re getting the
dates, the places and everything combined.
What a lot of
people have to understand is that they may remember an event at one
time. I’ll remember the exact same event with a different date.
Then we’ll have someone else who was also part of this exact
same event, but they remember it at an entirely different date. And
that is done because when the memory is repressed into the altered
personality, you’re told it happened this date.
But if you could check it against the actual record…
And that’s what we do. That’s why I said earlier, I don’t
talk about anything as fact unless I have three points of reference
AM 20: [laughs] I do the same thing. Well, it seems
to me people coming up and saying I
was this part of the program
without being able to show what was done will bring people more into
the awareness for this exposure.
DC: I have a question for
you. What’s your memory of what happened two hours ago?
20: Very good
DC: Are you sure?
AM 20: Yeah.
It’s different than mine is.
AM 20: Yeah. I understand.
DC: But does it make yours any the less true?
There is a physical...
DC: Does it make your memory of what
happened two hours ago any less true than what mine is? Yes or not?
AM 20: I’m not talking about our memories. I’m
talking about checking it against the physical universe.
I’m going to give you an example here, if you’ll just
bear with me. Yes or no? Does it change your perception of what
happened two hours ago? Yes or no.
AM 20: I, actually,
wouldn’t judge my perception that way. I would judge it by
DC: You have not answered my question.
20: All right. [laughs]
DC: The question is this: What
happened two hours ago, in your perception of what the world is and
my perception of what the world is, are they the same?
No, they’re not.
DC: By your admission, does that make
yours any the less valid?
AM 20: It doesn’t make either
one valid or invalid to me.
DC: Thank you. You have answered
DO’F: The fact is, basically what
happens, it also a lot depends on the age of the individual when the
memory comes back. And, as I said, they also screw with the memories
when they repress them and push them back into the alternate and they
will in that memory screw up the dates.
AM 20: Right. Right.
DO’F: Now, as to what you were alluding to also is just
because someone contacts us and says I
was in part of this project or this project,
does that make it so? No, it doesn’t. They have to go through
our own little testing process to see if they were or they weren’t.
But to finish up with why we have the different perceptions
on dates, we really don’t have a correct answer, but there’ll
be a dozen of us; we’ll remember the exact same event, the
exact same people there, but I’ll remember it say, spring;
he’ll remember it, say the winter, but yet the event’s
the same. The year will be different. The month will be different.
AM 20: I understand. It just seemed to me that checking it
against a historical record that is in public domain would have some
DO’F: I’ve got to do this. The problem
with that is there’s a reason these are called black
[laughter] They ain’t supposed to happen. There are records,
but none that we’re going to be able to take and look at, so we
can’t do that.
KC: There’s also time travel
involved here. And there’s messing with... there’s
implanted memories, false memories, false dates. There are layers
upon layers, so, you know, digging into this question is... to
actually look for real life events, it’s a rabbit hole. There
are so many levels, based on what we’ve heard from various
people. That includes the testimony of ‘Henry Deacon’,
Arthur Neumann. Okay?
There’s also something on the
Internet, Stephanie Relfe, who interviewed her husband [in a book],
Very interesting. She used some Scientology techniques, as well as
some other healing techniques to get to the root of some of his
memories. A lot of what he did happened on other timelines
simultaneously when he was other places. I mean, it gives you a
beginning of an understanding, how the layers can happen.
actually… this is fascinating and this has been amazing.
Thank you, both, Duncan O’Finioan and Dave Corso.
KC: And… Yes, absolutely.
DC: If I
could have your attention for one minute. How many of you have ever
got a phone call, you picked up the phone and there was nobody there?
How many of you use caller ID to screen your calls?
tell you a little adventure I had. I had a phone call. It looked like
my son was calling me. However, when I picked up the phone, there
were tones coming out of the earpiece on the phone. It wasn’t
my son calling me. They can manipulate caller ID to give you any
number they want.
If you pick up the phone and you hear
something funny, or you think you hear something funny, hang the
That’s a very common way to initiate
triggers. Just be warned when you’re called, make sure you feel
comfortable answering the phone call.
If I get a call from an
unknown number or an 800 number of a blank number, I simply don’t
answer the phone. [laughter]
KC: [to the audience] Yeah, I
have to say, you guys are being mind-controlled – okay? –
your televisions, you name it, the technical devices around you,
scalar weaponry. It’s not just these two guys. Okay? It’s
happening to all of us.
You must become aware in order to
resist it, so you need to know that these things, telephone calls,
television programs, various anomalous events that happen in your
midst, pulses sent through stereo equipment.
things, we’ve had some things happen up here with some of this
equipment. Same thing.
Thank you very much for being here for
Thank you so much for coming. [applause]
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