Rafael Palacios interviews
Rafael Palacios interviews Henry Deacon
Barcelona, Spain, July 2009
[Ed note: Normally the transcripts that had any parts in them that had been difficult for the transcribers to hear were put in “audibles” in square brackets in red for Bill Ryan to attend to, fix, then he’d post the transcript; however, due to unexpected interruptions in the normal working process in Project Camelot, this normal process was not able to proceed forward, so the audibles were left in the square brackets.]
Start of Interview:
PALACIOS (RP): Well, I am in the press conference of the
Exopolitics area with a character...
DEACON’ (HD/AN): Arthur Neumann.
...a man that you are watching now that became famous because of an
interview by the Project Camelot in which he didn’t show his
face. And now, this is the first time. What’s your name,
My name is Arthur Neumann. It’s a German last name, Neumann.
[Ed note: pronounced Noy-mann]
You worked for 30 years in the research area, in very critical areas?
Research, manufacturing, logistics... pretty much every area of
government and government contracting, but mostly government.
held Top Secret ‘Q’ clearance at Livermore Labs, Lawrence
Livermore Labs. I’ve held Secret clearances in aerospace and
such. I’ve held Top Secret clearances, with certain extensions,
up until around 2004, working with other agencies.
Can you say which is your specialty?
My specialty is a very general... with a wide spectrum of
technologies. Technologies. And also coordination, project
management, program management, not only with the Department of
Defense, working with all the military forces, but also working with
other countries’ military as well.
For instance, do you know anything about the secret sonic weapons,
the electromagnetic weapons?
Yes, pulsed electronic weapons in general. Yes. I’ve known of
their existence and the research that’s been done. I’ve
been aware of it, the inside, with the research of weapons, of
course, since the middle 1970s.
Ah. Can you tell us which kind of weapons they have in development,
and which are the uses of these weapons?
There are so many weapons. There’s a microwave bomb; the
neutron bomb, of course... whatever; particle-beam, acceleration-type
bombs; particle-beam weapons; and many different projects along those
lines; then sound weapons, using highly-focused, directed sounds.
So, can you confirm to us that this government has weapons in order
to harass people, ‘special people’, ‘critical
people’, [Ed note: meaning to harass certain people who protest
against or criticize the government.] in order to make them
distressed and even make illness?
Oh, definitely. Definitely. Yes. There’s many different
technologies that are being used constantly, even in the cities, and
as well as just for specific targets, as well.
These black helicopters that many researchers have told us about,
that are running above the homes, can you confirm that they could be
used in this area?
I don’t know who’s… I haven’t been in that
for many years. Black helicopters...
What I am talking about... There are certain people, researchers…
Some of them are black helicopters and some of them look like
helicopters, but they’re not helicopters.
So what are they?
They’re just... I don’t know the details on those
helicopters. I just know that some of them are just... Ah...what do
you call it? Kind of cloaked to look like helicopters; but, that was
years ago, so I don’t know what’s happening now.
What’s that, in fact?
Surveillance and maybe, possibly some abduction-type work, but not by
Ah-ha. So you, the scientist that work, or worked, in these
classified programs, are you conscious of the people who worked with
you? Are you conscious that you were working for the bad people? Or
you just do the job and you forget the use of this work they are
going to do?
There are good people working, and there are bad people working
inside. And there are people who have families they want to take care
of, and so they’re trapped in the job because, otherwise, they
have no job.
always a battle internally as to – for some people – as
to whether to resign and have no job, or continue, and then...
There’s a lot of discussion about that.
intention, from the very beginning, has been – from the
beginning, when I was a child – has been to go inside, and then
learn, and then move on. And go inside again, and learn, and move on
to another position, in different places.
I’ve never been in one place. The maximum time I worked for one
place was, maybe, at most, three or four years; four years. Then I
moved to another job.
I didn’t apply. For most of these jobs, I never applied or
looked for the job. They’d just telephone me at random and find
Can you describe for us the way it works – this mechanism of
classifying? I mean, you work in Los Alamos or Livermore. Can you
describe for us, for people who don’t know anything, how these
laboratories work? The way they classify the special information?
How they decide what to classify?
No, I mean, you are in the kitchen, in the living room, with all the
scientists. Do you know what the other ones know? Or do you only know
a couple of the things? You know what I mean?
Yeah. For many jobs, it’s always compartments, you know?
Because that’s what you focus on, so you have no need to know
what’s happening somewhere else. You’re focused in a
as time progressed, my compartments expanded with more compartments,
until the last job I had, there were no compartments at all that I
was aware of, because of the nature of the work.
had... It was like on a team, where I had what we called “customers,”
and the customers included NSA and the other three-letter agencies
and four-letter agencies from different countries, plus other
customers that don’t have any names.
I don’t know them by name, I just meet with them. So no
compartmentalization was necessary. Because of the work... I was
“volunteered” to work on a small team, to kind of filter
the information between these different organizations.
Can you explain to us the goals of these projects in particular?
That project in particular... The goal was multiple goals, but it was
to try and find a way for these different groups to communicate, and
yet respect their privacy – what they don’t want –
between each other, because they don’t what to openly share
information between each other completely. But to find a way, a
mechanism, for them to be able to communicate what they want
communicated in a secure manner.
A secure Internet? Something like that?
That too, yes; yeah, but with a filtering.
So that means that I had to have access to all of their information.
So, that just happened, you know.
As well as you know about telecommunications, can you tell us if...
Everybody’s worried about the Big Brother and they, these
people, know everything about us?
Well, you can’t hide anything.
Right now we’re having the interview. I’m pretty certain
that everything is very well-documented, you know. It’s just a
matter of whether they have an interest in it or not, you know.
you don’t have any privacy. Especially in the electronic era,
every transaction you do, every phone call, every hotel and place you
stay, every person you meet, everything... [laughs] It sounds like a
song: They’ll be watching you.
it’s not... Nothing to fear. This is the important thing, to
stop being afraid of everything, because that fear is…
what we need to focus on is the opposite of fear. It’s to look
forward and be happy about this baby that I spoke of, that’s
being born, and celebrate the change, and realize that there’s
pain involved in this change.
black factions and such, these dark operations, they are very weak.
They’re very weak and powerless.
Yes, they’re very weak. Especially if you realize, if you can
understand, that we’re living in a Galaxy full of worlds and
people – people like you and me, basically – that have
gone through the same experiences as the people here on Earth. The
same experiences, long ago. And it’s a continuing thing, and
they already know what’s going to happen.
they’re watching this change happen now, and they’re
supporting it and helping, gently and quietly, behind scenes. And if
you’re aware of that, then you don’t have anything to be
Why are you so sure of that?
Because I’ve met so many of these people.
Ah. Tell us, tell us.
I met these people even before I worked, you know, and for other
reasons which I’d rather not explain on video right now,
because of where I come from, as well.
Where do you come from?
portion of the video edited out at the request of Arthur Neumann]
But can you tell us if the First Contact is close, as they say, all
of the people? The First Contact that would be…
The First Contact, I think, that’s planned is not a real
contact. The plan is a fictitious threat. But this fictitious
threat... If you see UFOs and they’re mechanical or such, the
highest probability is that...
if they look like a threat or an enemy, just realize that that’s
only temporary and they’re not from another place, another
planet. They are a created enemy, as part of the government’s
So you confirm the secret government has these tools, this
They’ve had the technology and the tools for a long time.
I mentioned the Report from Iron Mountain, which many people say is
just science fiction. It’s not science fiction, because that
same material was handed to me in a meeting in Tucson, Arizona, in
Yeah, directly, in a meeting. Yes. A government meeting that I went
You read it.
It was a surprise to me because I didn’t know what the nature
of the meeting was.
were flown to Tucson, Arizona, and stayed at a hotel room. Then we
got together, and at the end of the first meeting, they handed out
the Report from Iron Mountain – not in book form, but in paper
format. And that’s where I first learned of the plans from the
Ah-ha. Well, you’re the first person I know that confirms that.
The Iron Mountain is confirmed.
It is. I don’t have the paperwork anymore, but it was close, or
almost exactly the same thing as in the book that’s now in
So, for you the swine flu epidemic is just part of this plan?
I can’t say. Epidemics are natural things. There are natural
epidemics, of course, you know. But, in my opinion, the swine flu
is... In this case, this is a dangerous thing, but it’s my
opinion only. My preparation is to take vitamin D3. “D”,
the letter “D”, 3.
A vitamin. Vitamin, okay.
Vitamin D3, 2,000 IU – 2,000 International Units – every
day. Up to 5,000. For certain reasons, the sun converts in your skin
– when it hits your skin – into vitamin D3, but because
of the nature of the sun now, and other factors, that won’t
work in this case.
for general “agripe”, you call it?
Ah. Agripe. Yeah. Flu.
Or flu, any kind of flu. Vitamin D3 will reduce your chances greatly
of getting any kind of flu, okay? So I recommend that as a
supplement, and for other reasons, too, that have nothing to do with
The vaccine? Do you ever recommend for people to…?
I won’t take the vaccine. I told my family members not to, as
well. I told them two years ago, three years ago, not to do this.
the Project Camelot site, there’s some documentation, I
believe, that was from long ago that I talked about the flu. This was
before anything came in the news. So I knew this in advance.
You know that the American people, they are telling them some
information. [unclear] saying that the government is going to oblige…
Make it obligatory.
...make it obligatory to the people to take it, no?
This, of course, is the plan, is to make it obligatory with heavy
penalties and fines, you know. But I still won’t take it. I
will not take the vaccine, especially if it’s forced. I don’t
take flu vaccines anyway.
Do you think that the secret government has already contact with
other extraterrestrial beings, such as the Zeta Reticulan reptilians,
and this kind of stuff?
When people talk about “the secret government”...
if all I’d like to mention that the governments... Like when we
talk about the level of the presidents or the royal families or such,
they don’t have access to this information or knowledge, as far
as I know.
is what my experience has been, is they only can go through certain
levels of security, and then the rest... For touring, you know, for
This is what we have, you know, and this and that. So they’re
not aware of what’s happening off-world.
They have no communication with these people. So when you ask about
‘secret government’, I need to know what you mean by
Who has the power? Kissinger? “Gafaird”? [unclear] Who?
Who is in charge?
You have power. You’re in charge of running the interview.
So it’s different levels of power or strength of power, I mean,
in each person.
So you don’t believe this is well-centralized in three persons?
Something like that? Do you believe this...? There are some people
who say that there are a couple of people, or several people, that
have this power concentrated in…
Oh, the people that… There are small groups that meet that do
have power, including one that I mentioned in the Zurich conference
that I don’t want to mention again, a three-letter agency that
isn’t spoken about very much.
Dealing with satellites and so on, for instance?
Yeah, that one.
But the thing is that, ultimately, they still have their limits as to
what power they really have. They want
power and they’ve been trying to have power for a long time,
but in the next few years, they will completely lose all of their
power. Very shortly.
Because of all the changes that are taking place and converging now.
So, what’s the role of the humankind in all these stories? This
is something, like a government, some people like here, in the
special project, in a higher level position. But we the people, what
can we do in this story?
The best thing people can do... The best thing is very simple. If you
have different belief systems, different religions, you need to open
up your heart and realize that we’re all here together, and
respect each other’s beliefs as best as possible.
that we share a common ancestry, not just here, but our whole Galaxy.
Our Galaxy, we have a common…
A Galactic Consciousness.
It’s the Galaxy. Not the Universe, but the Galaxy.
right now we need to just focus on what happens here on the planet
and help each other. Stop fighting over “my God and your God”,
you know. It doesn’t make any difference.
But do you think some person in the streets, the common people, could
be putting pressure on the government in order to disclose the
If you want to do something, do it in a non-violent way.
Yeah, of course. Of course.
If you have anger, that will just support the agendas of the people
who are trying to have power over you.
this, again, is a very temporary thing. All this fighting and all
this suppression is temporary. Even if you don’t do anything
outwardly, the change... it will still take place.
birth of the new world – not the New World Order they push –
but the new world will still happen very shortly. You should feel
this and be aware of this.
Two short questions just to finish. One, first one, can you tell us
the secret technologies that may come, may free ourselves, when the
secret government falls?
Well, there are technologies, of course, using the Casimir Effect or
the zero-point energy. That’s a definite. I pointed it out in
Zurich. It’s a definite.
And this is not even classified information. It’s just you need
to know where to go to see it. I’m talking about in government
[that] it’s not even classified.
neither is gravity-shielding, which is similar to anti-gravity, but
it’s shielding. You take the material and you put it here,
something above it, and it lessens the... It shields the
technology exists and there are places you can go. You can go to
xxx.lanl.gov – Los Alamos National Labs dot gov. Go to that
website and then do a little search. Dig through their archives,
their physics archives.
So we can have flying saucers in a short period of time using it?
Yeah, you can have that. But the thing is that we need to balance all
this technology that is available or can become public... We need to
first work on the spiritual and the sociological problems.
But where are the plans, the maps, to do these flying saucers? Do you
think that’s going to be released, such as open source
software? Could be a Linux way of creating flying saucers? [laughs]
It’s going to be released from many, many different sources.
Just from people, probably in here in the conference, even, today.
There are people who are working on these projects.
Yeah, and businesses that are coming forward.
Yeah, they’re all new businesses.
So it’s slowly coming…
Brian O’Leary, for instance, is in this field? Brian O’Leary,
Yes, he’s in this business. Well, I don’t know what he’s
doing with the machines or anything.
as far as zero-point energy technology... In its best form, I could
describe it as: You can have just a small little box that looks like
this and it could direct conversion into electrical energy, or
whatever you want.
no moving parts, no mechanical spinning magnets, or anything like
that. It’s so simple that it looks like magic. And you can just
do that, and you can power... With the correct wiring…
What’s the key of the zero-point energy? What’s the key
to create it?
Well, how does it work?
Well, there are different approaches. One of them is basically a
very, very small layering of materials... layering of materials,
almost like a capacitor is manufactured. Small layers of material,
and then we’re tapping the energy from that.
a simple solid-state type of technology that can be used.
Does zero-point energy have anything to do with orgone energy?
I don’t know anything about orgone energy. I mean, I’ve
seen it, and I... I don’t have any experience with it.
Okay. The other question was about the Obama administration. Would
you expect anything positive about these issues we are commenting on?
I’ve been up and down with my feelings about Obama, you know,
so I don’t know. It’s really not Obama, I don’t
think it’s just what happens with this world as a whole is
really... Almost a natural event, or events, are happening. It’s
not a matter of whether someone makes a decision in office to release
information. This is all happening very naturally, you know. It’s
not any decision.
We don’t need the government to release the information. That’s
No. We don’t need government to release the information.
I am very agreeing with you. I am very agreeing. We don’t have
to ask for the government to do it.
And don’t expect the government to have any information to
release to you, because the governments... Like I was talking about,
the governments don’t have this information to release.
information’s already in the public domain. It’s just
coming... It’s like flowers growing out of the soil, you now.
It’s blooming everywhere.
We have the Internet that’s putting the information out to the
And also, great inventions and things in the past have been
discovered simultaneously in different places on the planet. How is
this possible? It’s because it’s happening in a different
dimension, from a different dimension. This is how this information
is released. It’s not released through governments.
The information is in the Internet. Just for finishing the interview,
do you think they are going to close [down] the freedom of the
Internet? Can they do it?
They can attempt to, and they can shut it down. And there may be a
period of time where the Internet may slow down a lot.
then, we’re talking about... Who are “they”, you
know? The Internet was originally structured so that you cannot shut
it down, you know? So it may slow down, that’s all, slow down
to a crawl.
so, think about alternative ways of communication. A new form of
communication will come in a few years, where you won’t need
Internet any more anyway.
Which one? Telepathy?
Something like that.
Ah, that’s it.
And people will just... It will be a natural thing, too.
Heart communication, you know.
Yes! That’s what’s happening at the conferences. People
will experience this, you know.
Okay. Thank you so much for the information...
Yeah. Turn off your televisions!
...for your bravery, and for your courage.
Turn off your television set!
Okay, I will do it.
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