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March 10, 2011
Ryan (Bill): Hi
there. This is Bill Ryan from Project Avalon. And the video you’re
about to see is an interview with a most remarkable woman who I’ve
come to know recently, and has become a close friend.
The subject of the interview is her mission to this planet and the
abilities that she possesses, which are extraordinary and
significant. And in the two hours which follows, she details what she
can do, what she has done, the fun and the problems that she
experienced when she was a little girl, and what she is doing
responsibly with her considerable powers, right now.
And it’s a
most extraordinary story that I recommend you listen to, right to the
reason why I’m giving this little introduction right now is
because it’s really important to emphasize that the most extraordinary psychic abilities
which are recounted in this interview – they are not the gifts
of an extraordinarily special person which we can’t possibly
aspire to. These gifts are innate in all human beings. This is
Inelia’s message to us.
She claims that, although she comes
from an unusual place, let us say – and this is an usual mission.
It’s an unusual lifetime – the gifts that she possesses are
human ones. And a message that she wants us all to understand is
that these gifts are our birthright, that the controllers of the
planet do NOT want us to know that we have. And they use them, of
other important note to the interview, is that magic – for lack
of a better word – is interesting and spectacular, and has
fascinated human beings for generations, for thousands of years, for
understandable reasons. It’s not an end in itself. It’s
important to understand that, as Inelia says in her interview, these
abilities will be gained as by-products by anyone who is on a genuine
And, of course, many of the great masters in many
traditions will attest to that. They’re interesting, but
they’re not an end in itself. And they’re not to be
attained as a goal in themselves. That would be a trap. That’s
a dead end. That actually goes nowhere, apart from probably to
fulfill the needs of the ego.
as you listen to Inelia telling her story, you will see that there is
very, very little ego there. She tells her story in a very
matter-of-fact way, that you too, can do exactly as she does. You
too, have these capacities for changing the universe around you. And
you too, have the capacity, as she says, to create your own timeline.
You can create your own future. And between us, taking full
responsibility and standing in our own power, we can create the world
that we want.
Bill: So, this is Bill Ryan from Project Avalon. And it is
the 10th of
March, 2011. And I’m here with Inelia. And, Inelia, could you
possibly say your most wonderful melodic family name that I’m
incapable of pronouncing.
Benz (Inelia): Okay. My full name is Inelia del Pilar Ahumada
Avila. And I’m
also known as Inelia Benz.
Bill: All right. And, you were born in Chile. Is that
Bill: Okay. And then, to cut a very long story short,
which is a different
story – you left Chile as a refugee. Right?
Inelia: Right. Yes.
Bill: And ended up in England. Is that correct?
Inelia: We moved to Nottingham in England. And I kind of
grew up there. I
was there for quite a few years. And then I went... I moved to
Ireland for nine years. And I went to college in Ireland. And then I
went back to Chile for a couple years as an adult to sort out some
family properties and things. And then I went to live in Spain for a
few years and then back to England. And I’ve been in the
United States now for six years.
Bill: And, how is all this possible, given that you look
at is you’re
twenty-two years old?
Inelia: Oh, okay. Well, you don’t ask a lady her age.
Inelia: So, I’m not going to tell you. But I’m not young.
But thank you very much.
Bill: Okay. So. The reason why I’m talking to you here...
love to see whether we can describe some of the things that you have
doing and being, in language, so that people can understand it. You –
may I say it – are one of the more extraordinary people I’ve
ever met, and I’ve met quite a few extraordinary people.
from what I can gather, you wouldn’t even really describe
yourself as a person, in a funny kind of way. Now, that’s going
to sound weird to the people watching this. [laughs]
Inelia: [laughs] Right. Yes. Because... when I look at
a person or I look at people on Earth... normally – and this is
not always the case – there would have been a soul or, like, a
spark of divinity entering the time-space line. And it would have
gone from complete oneness to a period of maybe a thousand – I
don’t know how many lifetimes – developing into an
individual and developing into a sentient being, which is separate
And this... when I look at people on the planet... this
has happened sometimes on planet Earth. A lot of people have done
their entire trajectory on planet Earth.
now, we are seeing, like, thousands, if not millions, of people, who
have done their trajectories in other planets, and now are incarnated
on Earth to experience this amazing stuff that’s going on right
now, here. So, I would consider one of these souls to
have a evolved throughout time and space, to become a sentient and
evolved being, as a person or a being. Right?
I wouldn’t describe myself as such, because I came in directly,
without any evolution, into this date, to be able to do a particular
job on the planet right now. And once that job is gone, that
individuality, that "singularity" that is this person that you’re
seeing, will no longer exist. So, the concept of a person or a soul
is not there.
Bill: Okay. So. One or two people who've followed this may
be already be
doing a double-take. You’re not only saying that you haven’t
been here on this planet before, ever incarnated, but you haven’t
been anywhere in the physical universe, ever before, or anywhere in
the whole matrix of existence, as it were, before. You are absolutely
Inelia: Correct. I entered the time-space ‘matrix’ –
that’s a good word – half an hour before I was born.
Bill: Right. And you know – this is what you told me when
talked about this off-camera – that you will not be incarnating
again. You’re here on a specific... dare I call it a mission?
Inelia: Yes. You could call it a mission. Yes.
Bill: Okay. You’re here to get some things done that need
Bill: And you have come from... Here, we’re struggling
You’re directly from Source, directly from unity, directly here into a human body...
Bill: ...and are therefore operating in a very different way
beings do, who’ve been here for millions of lifetimes.
Inelia: Yes. And my entire early trajectory
and until... and
still going on, something that’s still continuing, is learning
or being able to function within an individual viewpoint, an
individual body. And within time-space in a linear manner, and
dealing with that, being able to function within it, because that’s
where the job is at. So, my trajectory has been to learn how to do
that, rather than what people would normally think as the other way
Bill: And, that must have been extraordinarily
challenging, to come in
from nowhere and nowhen, directly into being a very young human girl
on this strange planet Earth, with no manual, guidelines or
information about how it is you were meant to be, or what you were
meant to be.
Inelia: Yes. There was definitely a challenge.
main challenge was the reaction of others around me, towards me.
So, for example, I did have some tools. I did come in with some
tools. I was able to download information. So, if I didn’t
understand something, normally I would able to just tap into the
"collective" and get it.
was speaking... According to one of my aunts, I was talking completely perfect Spanish. In fact, didn’t even have
a Chilean accent, when I was nine months old, which was for her, she
was totally freaked out by it. But nobody else seemed to take any
And that was because I was trying to understand what people
were saying, and what they were trying to communicate, and I couldn’t.
So, I simply downloaded the language. [laughs] And used it.
can’t do that any more with languages, unfortunately. I
don’t... It’s one of those things that I can’t do,
but for other things, I can. And, growing up, I think, that was part
of the way things work, that I was able to.
The things that I
needed, I get. But if something, I’m doing something just
because or... because it’s something that I’m interested
in, but it’s not needed, then I can’t do it.
Bill: If it’s necessary, you will download the program
that you need
in order to do the job.
Bill: But if you’re just curious, then it doesn’t work
Inelia: It doesn’t work. [chuckles] It doesn’t happen.
Bill: Okay. I remember there was a time that you told me,
a couple weeks
ago, about... There was once when you found yourself... when you were told that you were speaking perfect Portuguese – and another time when you
were told that you were speaking Russian.
Bill: And you didn’t even realize it.
Inelia: Yes. To me, I was speaking English. Right? For
me, when I look back
and I look at my memory, I’m speaking in English. But to the
witnesses, I was speaking this other language, which, for me, is
like... Okay. I take their word, and I’ve read about it and
I’ve found out that there’s other people that can do that
type of thing. But, it’s like, evidence from somewhere else...
It’s like, it’s not something I can say, ‘Yes, I
can do that,’ because, as far as I was concerned, I was
speaking English. So. [laughs]
Bill: Yes. For sure. It wasn’t even conscious.
Inelia: Yes. No. And it’s always been a situation where
person needs help.
Inelia: So, it was like a person who was very sick. He had a
terminal illness. That was the first time that I was... it was seen.
And apparently, I was talking to this person in Portuguese for hours,
and I had no idea. And other people, again, they were coming in for
help or advice. And the last time – it was very simple. It was
somebody in the metro in Madrid who were lost.
Inelia: They were in the metro and they were completely
lost, this family.
And, I went to help them. And, I said I’d given them
directions, was showing them how to use the map and where they had to
go and everything. I sent them on their merry way, said goodbye,
turned around. And the person who was with me says, ‘Did you
know, how, where did you learn Russian? Did you know you were talking
in Russian?’ I said, ‘No!’ [laughs]
Bill: [laughs] That’s a wonderful story.
Inelia: Yes. [chuckles]
Bill: There’s another wonderful story which I invite you
And, I have to say here on record, that I’ve been talking with
Inelia about her experiences for several weeks now, and we haven’t
got to the end of those stories yet. There are so many of them. One of them that I think is a really neat story is when
you were a little girl and you kept on falling over.
Inelia: [laughs] Ah, yes. One of the things that I tried
to do, because you
have to understand, I came in, like, half an hour before the body was
born. Because... And then, there had to be a body
agreement for me to come in, because it wasn’t your regular
incarnation, where the soul would be there, waiting for the body
or... like, there’s a link between the two and everything. And
there was this moment of asking for agreement from the body to take
this on, to... It’s like, don’t... ‘Shall we do
this?’ [laughs] And there was a definite ‘yes.’
it was completely different to how I see humans functioning, because
I came in and I had no idea how to drive the body. Right? So, the
body kind of intelligence went into the physical body to animate it,
to make it alive and to make it function and breathe and everything
else. And I was kind of outside. And I wanted to do stuff with this
body, but I didn’t know how. I didn’t have the manual.
And when I looked into it, it was like a computer that needed to be
programmed. Right? It need to learn how to move its arms, grab
things, be able to speak and communicate, move the head sideways when
you... I was interested in something that was going on there, and I
didn’t know how to move this little body’s head that way,
so I could see it. Right? And stuff like that.
I was... From that moment, I was not inside the... The vision, the
visuals were outside the body on the back of the head, from that
moment. And the only thing that changed, was that I was trying to
move the arms like a puppet, and it just wasn’t working, and
the body was complaining.
it kind of told me, ‘No, you have to go in and move the arms
from within,’ kind of thing, like getting into a suit. So I did
that, but I didn’t do it from a viewpoint. I didn’t do my
viewpoint. I just did like an energy entering. So I was able to move
the arms and legs. And it was like programming the body how to
function and stuff like that. Very mechanical. It was literally like
writing a program on a computer. For me, that’s how it was.
the years went by, and I used to see everything. I had a, like,
360-degree, and up-and-down, visual of everything that was going on
around me. And I kept falling over time and again, because my
viewpoint was around here. [points to an area top and rear of head]
So, I couldn’t see what was in front of me as I was walking in
the street, for example, because the head was in the way. Right? So,
I kept falling over, and... I had continuously, my knees was bleeding
and my face was always smashed. My lips were always fat, because I
kept falling on my head.
then, one day, my mom says, ‘Why can’t you use your eyes?
Just use your eyes. Look at what’s in front of you.’ So,
I said to her, ‘Well, I can’t.’ Because when I
looked through my eyes, it was like two tiny little pinpricks, that
you only see a tiny little bit of what’s going on. And then she
says, ‘Well, what are you doing now?’ So, I said, ‘Well,
I can see everything.’
And she... And then, again, it’s
like, she... It was like... I can’t remember the exact
conversation, but it went something like, ‘Well, get into your
body right now and use your eyes. Just start using your eyes.’
And being like... I think, it was just before I started school, so I
was about four years old. Being a child, at four years old, you do
what your mommy tells you!
I did that. And it was.. For me, it was horrible. I could hardly see
anything. And I had to point my head everywhere, so I can see what
was going on. And I couldn’t turn my head all the way around,
so I never knew what was going on behind me. It was very
disconcerting for a quite a long time. But I stopped falling over,
because I could see what was in front of me. [laughs]
Bill: And even now, you can leave your body any time you
want to, go
wandering around and travel around the universe and see everything
you want to see. Right?
Inelia: Yes. Yes. And I kind of have to do that, because
Otherwise, it’s a little bit claustrophobic, to be here all the
Bill: [laughs] It’s claustrophobic in this human body.
like, you’re kind of trapped in this limited jail cell, this
Inelia: Yes. Right.
Bill: It’s like being in a car with very small windows.
Inelia: Yes. Very small windows and... like, something’s
your ears, so you can’t hear everything, or feel anything. It’s
like... sensory deprivation. [laughs]
Bill: Right. So, you have these extraordinary gifts that,
of course, I
understand that these are natural abilities that all spiritual beings
have. But most people who’ve been in bodies for millions of
lifetimes have completely lost these abilities. They can’t even... It’s not even
real for them that they’re there.
Bill: And you’re coming in fresh with this huge tool kit
that every spiritual being can do.
Bill: What else can you do?
Inelia: You have to be more specific. [laughs]
Bill: [laughs] Okay. There’s a wonderful story that you
you were watching a television program.
Inelia: [laughs] Yes.
Bill: It’s such a great story.
Inelia: Well, I’m a bit of a TV addict, unfortunately,
like, in the
purest sense of the word. That if somebody switches a TV in front of
me, I hook... It’s like I get hooked on it and I can’t
detach from... especially if it’s a program that I want to see.
If there’s something I’m not interested in, I can just
walk away. But it’s a movie... Normally, movies are... shows on
there, the History Channel are... something that grabs my attention
on the television – I cannot walk away from it. And I... If
anybody comes in and tries to change the channel, I got a little bit
angry. [laughs] I’m not angry, but I stop them.
there was this incident. It was in nineteen... No, it’s two
thousand and one, I think, where, I was watching a show. And this
person comes in and he grabs the remote control. And I can see this
in the corner of my eye, because I’m kind of watching the show.
And I said, ‘Don’t change the channel.’ Right? And
he says, ‘Well, I came home to watch blah blah.’ And he
goes to change the channel. I said, ‘Don’t touch that
And he was about to press the button, and then
he just drops the [chuckles] control on the floor and goes ‘Ow!
Ow!’ And looks at it and it’s like, ‘That burned!’
And then he picks up the remote control, opens it, and it’s all
melted inside. [chuckles] And he says, ‘Why did you do that?
You couldn’t have just told me.’ I said, ‘I told you not to touch the button.’ [laughs]
Inelia: And it was just one of those things. It’s like...
Bill: It’s just like a reaction. It was a reaction.
Inelia: It was a reaction, yes.
Inelia: Don’t touch my remote! [laughs] So, yes. I mean,
are there. And they’re not really to be used as such.
who reaches a certain level of awareness can do this stuff. It’s
part of the human toolkit. It’s not something that I brought
in from outside. This is all wired into every human being. And this
is part of the human tool kits that are being oppressed, suppressed
and invalidated in everybody. And people are taught that they don’t
exist, taught that they’re not able to do these things.
a pattern that I’ve seen that’s really interesting, is
that somebody who’s in a spiritual road to becoming enlightened
or... like, to... spiritual evolution, a road of spiritual evolution,
without fail, develop all these things. Without fail. But somebody
who goes out of their way to develop these things, and not
necessarily developing the spiritual evolution side. So, they’re
not... Like, they don’t go together, but somehow, the people
who goes for a spiritual evolution path will always develop these
Bill: It’s a natural by-product.
Inelia: It’s a natural by-product of developing in a
Inelia: And... But somebody who just goes out and wants to
and whatever and move things around or... read people’s minds
or go and do remote viewing. And go... They can, actually... Anybody
can do it. They can go out and learn these things. And there’s
some fabulous tools and books out there that can teach them to do
these things. But they can’t... They don’t necessarily
develop their spirit by doing it.
Bill: Totally understood.
Bill: And, your telepathic abilities must be very highly
Presumably, you can look into anyone’s mind and read anything
you want to.
Inelia: Right. That’s a really interesting way to
because telepathy is not about going into somebody’s mind and seeing what’s there.
Because the person’s mind is not what holds the memories and
feelings and emotions. So, even looking at it that way, you’re
going to be extremely limited to what can do in a telepathic way. You
may be able to do card reading in a... If somebody’s playing
cards, you can look into their cards, because they’re looking
at it at that moment. Right?
somebody’s told, ‘Oh. You know, Inelia can read minds.’
Whatever they’re trying to hide, comes up... like, right in front of them. So, that will be
broadcast and I
can pick that up. But, how telepathy really works is about... It’s...
The best way that I can describe it would be...
Bill: It’s a merge. It’s a merge.
Inelia: Yes. It’s more like a merge. A merge of mind... A
beings more than mind, because... A merge, perhaps, even into the
collective, where the other person is. Right? And then once there,
you don’t necessarily pick up sentences. You can pick up
visuals, feelings, memories. And sometimes actual thoughts as well.
Like, what the person’s thinking at that precise moment.
Bill: The way that I understand this from the
conversations that we’ve
had about this, is it’s like you temporarily step sideways and
you be that person. You sort of become that person and then you can
access what they access.
Bill: Is that anywhere close?
Inelia: It’s a little bit like that, but you’re describing
actually the sessions that I do, where the person... The space
between the two individuals... It’s made non-existent, as it
were. And then the person and I would become one, or would
actually... If you look at it in another way, the person is raised to
a level of oneness, where they can have access to all this
information and tools. Right? And I would have access to them in that
moment, as well.
Bill: Okay. So, the process, for example, of looking into
life and being able to watch it... to see anything that you want to
see, or that they want you to see. A little bit like watching a movie
– you can go to any point on it.
Bill: If it’s a movie that you’ve downloaded and you’re
looking at it on your computer, you can say, ‘Right. I go to
this point here.’
Inelia: Yes. It’s a little... Well, it’s not quite like
because, if we look at it on a way of the time track – for
example, a person’s life track – whether in this lifetime
or whether they’re entire life track, backwards and forwards.
is a little bit more difficult to see, because we have so many
timelines branching off on any one moment, that one thing that the
person thinks or says or decides will change that timeline. Right?
So, to look forward in that person’s timeline is the most
probable timeline, if nothing changes. Right?
looking backwards is quite easy, because they’re here through
having steer... having traveled through this particular timeline, one
can actually go sideways and look at their own parallel timelines –
things they would have done, if they had done things different. Also
look and see... If they want to do something differently, have a look
at a timeline where they did that differently and see. Get all the
information and then do it here, recreate it.
looking at somebody’s timeline is slightly different to what
I’ve seen other people do. When I’ve seen psychics look
at timelines, they look, like you said, they look like a movie.
They’re going to what’s called the Akashic Records and
look at it like a movie, while, when I do it, I actually go there. I
actually go to that point in time and look at that moment, like a...
bilocation. So, I’m actually there.
Bill: A bilocation in time, as well.
Inelia: In time-space, yes. In time-space. So, I would
actually be there,
and it’s really... I have to be extremely careful when I do
that, because if the person is really psychic, they will see me.
[laughs] And they will say, ‘You were there!’ And that
happened to me recently. [chuckles]
Inelia: The second that I looked at the person, she turned
around to me and
says, ‘You were there.’
Inelia: And of course, I hadn’t been, before I did it, but
it up that I was there at that moment.
Inelia: So, I have to be really careful, because it can change things. It can change the past. It can change the future.
Bill: So, you have to be careful only to be an observer
and to leave
absolutely no footprints. Nothing.
Inelia: No footprints. Yes.
Bill: And, now... Whitley Strieber, in his work, his
unknowncountry.com – he was one person among a number of
commentators who described very
one night, a few years ago – he had this extraordinary vivid
dream. And... ‘Dream’ in inverted commas. And in this
vivid dream, he experienced himself, one after the other, in
There was one when his wife... I can’t
actually remember the details. There’s one when either his wife
was sick or had died. There’s another when they were living in
poverty. Another one when they were living in a different place, and
he was doing something different. And it’s like, he went on
this kind of guided tour in this vivid dream. All these different
lifetimes. I think there was six of them. Something like that. And
then he returned. And he was so shocked. And he was so struck by this
he wrote it up. And what he explained, like his own explanation for
himself, and for his readers, was that the way to think of a person
going forward through time is not as like a train going along a
track, like one point going forwards, but more like a wave front
breaking on a big, wide beach. And that at different parts of this
beach, you’ve got these different timelines, these different
experiences that are kind of... that are manifesting themselves.
And... what you’re saying, then, is not only... you’re
affirming that this is a fully-fledged reality, but you can, when
you’re working with somebody, you can look sideways and see
Yes. And the... I mean, even science now is accepting
the quantum reality, right, the quantum physics talks about multiple
realities. And that’s something that, for me, it’s real.
I can tap into it, in my own life and see different things that I
want to find out about. Right? I can go to different ones where that
happened already and get some advice from that other Inelia –
how she handled X or how did she do this or that. And it could be
really practical things, like playing the violin, making a meal,
playing in the stock market...
was really funny, because when I went to the Inelia that’s
really good at the stock market game, after a short conversation, she
said, ‘Don’t do it. [laughs] You’re useless. Just
don’t do it.’ And she was right. I did try to do it, and
it was a total disaster. I shouldn’t have... [laughs]
you had one version of yourself giving advice to the other version of
yourself, which is the you that we’re talking to right now.
anybody can do this. Anybody can do this. You can think, okay, so I
want a reality where I am doing my dharmic work 100 percent. And
again, you have to be really specific, because your dharmic work
would probably a bit different in each one of the timelines, if not
completely different, then maybe a little different. Right? So, for
example, if you are an artist, you could say, how do I use my art to
help people evolve or awaken, something like that.
okay, so I’m going to tap into the life stream where I have
done this, where my art awakens people, and I’m going to –
really successfully – and I can make a living out of it. Not
just a living, but I can make fabulous income that I can then
reinvest and reuse to do even more things in the world.
you can go into that timeline and have a really long conversation
with this other person that is you, that’s already achieved it.
And come back with all this information and just... do it in this
so, what you’re saying here, is you’ve got a whole load
of parallel Inelias living alternative ‘Sliding Doors’-type
lives. This is a reference to ‘Sliding Doors,’ the movie,
except there are not two timelines. There are many.
Infinite. But the one thing that is in common with the Inelia in all
of those different parallel lives, is that you’re here to do a
it doesn’t really matter whether you’re playing the
violin, cooking a meal or doing art.
are kind of... Those are the bells and the whistles and the wrapping
on that life. Right?
what are you here to do? Because so far, we’ve talked about some of the
peripheral aspects of this that are curious and interesting and
fascinating to many people. But what are you really here to do?
only have one job. And that’s to raise the vibrational level of
the planet, including the human collective, which is part of the
planet, to a critical point that will allow a transition into the new
paradigm, a new level of awareness for everything. For the planet
and every being in it. Every rock, every insect, every person. And
that’s my only job. And I will do anything, and will...
Basically, yes. I will do anything to achieve that.
it means helping somebody who is already awakened and aware and
enlightened, to reach an even higher level of vibration, then I will
do that. And if it means waking somebody who was previously asleep,
and that will raise their level of vibration, I will do that. If it
means going to a geographical area and cleansing it so that the
vibration can come through properly, I will do that. I don’t
have one attachment or... The only thing I’m here to do, is to
raise the overall level of vibration. And that’s it.
I've got a million questions to ask you about that. But first, let me
ask you, how old were you when you first knew that that was what you
were here to do?
Inelia: I always knew it, but I didn’t know how to put it into words
because, growing up, it wasn’t something that the family would
talk about. My parents were very rational. They were mathematicians
and physicists. They were professors. They weren’t into
spirituality. They weren’t into the vibration of the planet or
anything like that. So, as a child, I didn’t have a concept of
how to translate what I was here to do.
I used to do it. If I saw someone sick, I would sit next to them so
that their level of vibration would rise. And I would do that
naturally throughout my entire childhood and through my teenage years
and later on.
you’d just kind of move into a situation, and you’d heal
people, and you’d help people, and you’d nudge situations
then, if I understand it right, a little later on, you would do work
that could be regarded as being more major, more fundamental, more
far reaching. Is that right?
I was always working in the background. I was told very early on,
that I had to... kind of wear a mask, and I mustn’t show what I
was or who I was, for many, many years. And that mask... I was asked
to remove it in two thousand and two or three or something. And
before that, I was working very much on a one-to-one basis with
people and doing psychic activism on... very quietly [laughs]... not
tell anybody about it.
And that begs a question – you’re saying that you were told to do this or that.
were you told by? How were you told?
This is – yes, I suppose that’s a very interesting
information comes through very clearly, normally accompanied by
synchronistic events that, if I miss it, I will be told over and over
again. Like... a book would fall off the shelf. And a child would say
the same sentence at the same time, that was the title of the book. A
radio would be playing and there will be a song that was talking
about the same thing. So, I was actually told things very clearly,
but, a lot of the time, with regards – that would be more like
go to the park and sit on the bench. There’ll be a girl sitting
down next to you having her lunch, and she needs you to sit next to
her. I would get that information and I would do it. And sure enough,
the girl would turn up. Like, she would be the visual I had received
and to sit there eating her lunch and then go away. And that’s
all that was needed.
maybe, I mean, just using that example of the girl on the bench as an
example, you wouldn’t know why and you might not ever know why.
And I never needed to know why.
is just an assignment.
you’re always totally certain at a level of knowing that when you’re given one of
these assignments, the right thing to do, is just not question it...
attach anything to it, and just do it. Is that right?
There was a time when I was a teenager... You know every teenager
rebels, right? And parts of my life had to be about learning to be a
human. So I had to go through the rebellious time – and I
rebelled against all this, too. It’s like, I would be told,
‘You have to walk very quietly and very gently and not make any
waves in the astral.’ So I’d go in blaring and singing
and dancing and jumping on everything. [laughs] It’s like...
I’m making a lot of noise... in the astral. [laughs]
the astral? [laughs]
[laughs] Right. Okay.
like that. Even like a teenager, right? And there were a few points
where I was asked to do certain things, and I said, ‘No. I
don’t want to. I don’t feel like it. I’m watching
TV.’ Or whatever. I’m listening to music, or... The
typical... when your mom, ‘Clean your room.’ ‘Yes,
I went through that at this level, which is kind of a little bit
comical if you think about it. Because... here is this being who’s
supposed to do this big job, and it’s going through a teenage
rebellious stage. And... But I learned very quickly that I shouldn’t
do that. [laughs] Because things went terribly wrong when I did...
it was really... a little bit comical, I suppose. Once I said
something wicked to my mother, and I knew I mustn’t say it. And
I can’t remember what it was, and my hand just came up and
[laughs] slapped me across the face, and I went, ‘Ow! That
hurt!’ [laughs] And it wasn’t really nasty. It was just a
little something that you feel inside. I shouldn’t have done
that. It was just a little something.
can’t remember what it was... It was probably something like...
‘Oh, you have a gray hair.’ Whatever. Something to do
with her appearance probably. Just to be wicked.
then you immediately slapped yourself in the face. [laughs] That’s
a wonderful story.
Yes. That’s the really funny one. And it really hurt.
the other times, when it was something more serious and I wasn’t
listening, there was a sense of urgency, like, ‘Do it now. Do
it! Do it!’ And it was like a growing urgency that if you don’t
do it, something terrible is going to happen. Right? And I wasn’t
able to switch that off, so it would just get worse and worse and
worse, and I had to then, like, run to the place or whatever, and be
there. And then, of course, I’d be out of breath. [laughs] So,
I learned very quickly that... it wasn’t really my choice. It
wasn’t something that I had a say in.
then, we’re coming to the other side of that. Where is the free
will in that? Right? And we talked about that a little bit before.
But with regards to doing the things that I was told to do, there is
a very good way to tell what is ego telling you something to do,
telling you to do something, if it’s ego. If it’s other
negative entities trying to take you over to do bad things or maybe
things that you think are good, but really are not. Or if it’s
really from Source, which is how I would describe it.
can give it lots of names, and people will... I find that people
understand it better if I say ‘my guides’ or ‘my
higher self’ is saying this right now. And they will understand
that. And it is true. It is true. That’s what happens. And I
didn’t need to translate it or give it a personality, so it
wouldn’t... even though I would say my guide is telling me to
do this now, I cannot describe it, and it describes it perfectly. For
me, it wasn’t an entity guide. It was just the same thing, but
if you take the identity away, then it would just be the thing.
That’s how it’d come through.
the way, the really good way to distinguish between that,
that pure energy from Source that is your guide or your higher self,
and ego or another negative entity that’s trying to influence
you, is to listen
to your bodies.
And the best way to learn how to do that, is to go into a very, very
open space within yourself and then tell yourself a lie. Instead of
saying your name’s Bill, you’d say, ‘My name is
George.’ And that will resonate wrong. Somehow, somewhere, it
will feel off, it will feel wrong. And then you know when it’s
true and when it’s not. When it’s Source and when it
isn’t. When it’s you – the genuine higher-self you
– and when it isn’t.
actually like what they do to calibrate a lie detector.
there you go! Yes.
do the same thing.
ask somebody to deliberately tell a lie, so that they see the
reaction on the machine.
in fact, you do that with pendulums as well.
Right. That’s a very good way to put it. Yes. Yes.
understand. Now, okay. So, if we take the girl on the park bench as
an example, when you get a knowing, a direct knowing that that is
what you must do, and you go there, and sure enough, there she is.
And something happens, presumably, and you may not know what that is.
And then the girl goes away, and then that’s the end of your
Bill: You may have cured her, or healed her, or stopped her from killing herself, or resolved a problem or something. But what is that process? How
does it work? How can you explain this? How can you explain what’s
best way to describe it would be that my focus goes to her. And I am
there 110 percent in every dimension, in every time-space for that
moment. That’s how I can... But I don’t do anything, I
don’t have any intention. I don’t have any attachment to
outcome. I don’t have any curiosity. Nothing. It’s just
complete focus. And what appears to happen is, then there’s
something else – whatever it is, the Divine force, energy, chi,
whatever – comes through and directly into her to resolve and
do whatever, that I have no idea what it is. And then it’s
must be some examples that you could give, where you did
actually get feedback on that and you did see the transformational
effect. Can you share some examples of that?
For example... Yes, there is an example and it goes back to the
person who spoke Portuguese, when I was a teenager. I must have been
about twelve or thirteen years old at the time. Let me think. I think
I was thirteen, but I could have been twelve. [laughs] And my mom
used to be a very outgoing person, very extroverted, and she used to
have parties at our house, most weekends.
So, there was always a
party at our house. And there would be like 50 people plus at the
parties. And at that moment... Normally, because I’m not an
extrovert, I would go into the room, and I would scan the room and
see who wasn’t vibrating at a high level or who was vibrating
at the lowest level, and I would just go and sit next to them. That’s
what I would do.
‘cause you wanted to.
That was the natural thing for me to do.
what I was here for, I suppose. Right? It’s like, why do we
breathe? Because you need to. [laughs] Or because it was something
that we do. And... so I would sit next to them and I would sense
their vibration going higher and higher and higher. Occasionally, I
would look and see kind of shadow bits, and I would kind of move
those out of the way. But only if I was told. It’s like, oh, look at that. Focus. Focus on that little bit there. And as I was
looking at it, it would just dissolve and go away.
with this person, I was sitting next to him, like I said, for about
an hour or two. And we were talking away. We had a huge, long
conversation, all about different things, different topics and stuff.
And all of a sudden, he turns around to me, and he says, ‘Where
did you learn Portuguese?’
I look at him and say, ‘Never. I can’t speak
Portuguese.’ And he says, ‘Oh, but you’ve been
speaking Portuguese to me for the past hour or two hours.’ And
I look at him and says, ‘No, I haven’t!’ At the
time, my main language was Spanish. So I said, ‘I was actually
speaking Spanish.’ And he says, ‘No, you weren’t. I
can’t speak Spanish. You’ve been speaking to me in
Portuguese.’ And I said – at that moment I thought,
‘Okay... This guy is a little bit of a nutter. [laughs] So,
I’ll just quietly get up and go to the other side of the room.’
[chuckles] Right? So, that’s what I said. I said, ‘Oh,
well, it was nice meeting you.’ And I got up, and I moved to
the other side of the room.
few days later, I think it might have been about a week later, he
came back to the house, and he had a conversation with my mother. And
I kind of listened in. And he said that when he was at the party, and
for like four months, he had known that he had a terminal illness,
and he only had, like, weeks to live. I don’t know what the
illness was. That he had gone back to the doctor after the party, and
he no longer had a terminal illness. He was cured. There was nothing
wrong with him. And...
had just disappeared. And he immediately knew that it had been me,
according to him. Right? Because he was from Brazil, and in Brazil
they have a lot of knowledge about healers and what healers can do.
And, according to him, one of the things that these people can do is
speak in different languages. That there are special kids and adults
that can talk to the patient in their own language, naturally. So, he
knew – he had put two and two together. And he came back, and
he wanted to thank me for healing him and stuff like that.
then... So that was a feedback of something that had happened that I
had no idea what was happening at the time. I had no idea that he was
sick. And I had no idea that he had been healed. And, even up to
today, my memory is that I was speaking in Spanish, as I had no idea
that I was speaking in Portuguese. And really, it was irrelevant. I
didn’t need to know any of that stuff. I really didn’t.
But I found out.
And then other things have happened. And
occasionally, people will come up and say, ‘You know, this has
happened,’ or whatever, and sometimes, a third person that
didn’t know that I had done a certain psychic mission will come
up later and tell me, say something like, ‘I just had a dream
that I know I have to tell you this dream. I’ve been told that
I have to tell you this dream.’ And it’s normally the
conclusion to the work that I’ve done. So they tell me what
it’s really interesting, because normally, I’m not
curious. I’m not curious about what’s happening or to get
validation or objective proof. But what I found out is that
sometimes, that validation and objective proof is necessary for
which case then it manifests as part of the whole package.
understand. That’s fascinating... That’s really fascinating. And... Okay. So, just then, you gave the example of
somebody who was physically relieved of an illness, was cured of an
illness, just because you sat with him and talked with him for a
couple of hours. What sorts of other transformational things might
happen? I mean, I presume it’s much more than just physical
There will be... like a disentangling of energies, sometimes in the
person, so they can think more clearly. And occasionally, I will be
sent to a light worker who needs to finish a mission, who needs to
continue a mission that they’re about to drop. Right? And
that’s happened a few times. And it has manifested in different
it’s like a support structure for people who’re already
doing good work.
you see, like a light worker, especially someone who has a very big
mission, will have their... There will be entities and people trying
to stop them. Right? And there are points in time that they could
have been taken out of that mission. Either physically, completely,
or by just killing their will to carry on in that mission. Or even,
there’s juncture points where the person is about to start
their mission, and they’re in that kind of decision-making
point, and so much negativity is injected into them, that they will
probably decide not to do it. So I come in and counter that
negativity so that they can make a free-will choice.
being negatively influenced.
it’s like you shield them from the negative influence, which
then allows them to make their free-will decision.
And then they can decide to go ahead. And they can decide not to go
ahead, but it’s their free will. It’s an inner decision,
not forced by the negativity that’s coming their way.
you have any idea or suspicions or knowledge that there are
some fairly large things that you’ve done, some fairly major,
major things that, I mean, not just related, for instance, to one
person’s personal life, but something that’s more, much
more far reaching than that.
not really understanding the question, because it’s all about
individual beings at the end of the day. I mean, there’s
different things that I do. All I do is just focus my attention on
something or someone, and then this something or someone will be able
to resolve... their vibration. It’s all... And then we have to
go back to what is it all for. And it’s all about raising the
level of vibration of the planet. So, for example, if I focus my
attention on an extremely negative being, which did happen recently –
well, actually, I’ve done that quite a bit, but... [laughs]
was one that was really big. A really big, negative being. And when
my attention focuses on it, it’s like the entire universe looks
at it, this being. And then that being can do various things. They
can dissolve into oneness. They can drop the body and leave... and go
and reincarnate on a planet where it’s okay to be negative, but
it’s not okay to do it now, on the planet Earth, at that level.
Right? And... or they can ask for clemency. And they can be
transformed into a light being. And... So, recently, I had an
experience where I was asked to hang out with this extremely negative
being, like, really, really negative person on the planet. At a
psychic level – it wasn’t [on] an every-day level. I
mean, this person was extremely powerful in every level. On a social
level, psychic level, mystical level. Very, very powerful. Very, very
without going into all the details, unless you want to, what was the
outcome of that assignment, or that mission with that person?
was a very interesting outcome, because one of the things that I was
asked to do, was to hang out with this person, in his space. And I
didn’t want to do that, because it was an icky, yucky person.
[chuckles] Very negative. He was showing me stuff that was...
horrible, about the things that he used to do or he did in life, to
others, on a mass scale. And... So I was kind of not wanting to hang
out with him.
And then it came through – I talked to a friend
of mine who is a very, very entuned psychic and also very highly
aware. And I was telling her this tale, and then I said, ‘Well,
it feels almost like this guy has all this power. It’s like,
he’s the most powerful person on the planet. But he can’t
tell anybody about it. And he wants me to write the book about what
he can do and what he has done in life.’
she said, ‘You know, I feel really strongly that you have to do
that. I think that you have to sit with him and let him write this
book.’ And this is sitting with him and writing the book would
be at a very psychic level. Right? We would be hanging out at a
psychic level, and he would be dictating this book to me. So, I did
that. I hung out with him and, for a few weeks, I was taking down
notes, and it was the most horrendous things that this person was
then I went onto Google, and I did a little bit of research. And this
stuff is documented! It’s like, there’s people out there
who are writing about, ‘This is what’s going on, and this
is what these people are doing.’ We’re talking about
human sacrifice and... like, children being sacrificed and their
blood drunk, and stuff like that. It’s just... like totally out
of this world, things I would never have imagined were happening on
the planet. And this is a bloke we were talking about.
a few weeks, I had this experience where I came out of the body and I
was sent to this huge mansion. Now, when I see a mansion, it’s
normally... how it’s interpreted is that it’s the
person’s being, the person’s maybe body and life. And
this was a huge mansion.
there was this other person outside it. It was like a man, and he
was... When I looked at him, I thought, ‘Oh, there’s like
a psychic there.’ And he had all these books and crosses and
stuff. And he was waiting to get into the house to get rid of this
being. Right? And then I thought, ‘Oh my goodness. If he goes
into that house, he’s French Fries. It’s like... [laughs]
he’s going to be completely destroyed. He has to stay here.’
So, I kind of conveyed that image to him. ‘Stay here. Don’t
go in the house.’ And he did. He stayed there.
then I went inside myself and it was all darkness. It was very evil
energy. And when I walk into that situation, there’s no
judgment. The moment you inject judgment into darkness, you’re
gone. You’re destroyed. You can’t be there.
It was just
energy. It was like, I’m floating in blueness or in redness or
in greenness. That’s how I experienced it. Intellectually, I
knew, ‘Oh, this is what evil is. This is what color evil is or
whatever. This is how it feels to the finger. [rubs her thumb and
fingers together] This is how it feels against my skin. [strokes her
I walked through the house and I found him sitting on a throne in a
room. And he was just sitting there and he was looking at me. And it
was all like... the complete energy was of pure, unadulterated evil.
And I sat next to him. And I just looked. I was just looking at him
and he was looking at me. And I had no agenda. I didn’t know
what was going to happen or anything. I was just sitting with him.
all of a sudden, he sent a feeling, an image, a request of clemency.
It took me by surprise. And as soon as he did that, I felt this huge
rush of energy – Chi – that was pure unconditional
love towards him. And it just infused him with that light and it was just ‘Whoa!’ It’s
like... It was out of this world. And then I was gone, out of there.
I was back in my body and I went, ‘Whoa, what was that about?
What happened to him?’
of course, then the human part comes in and says, ‘How come
that happened? I would have killed him or whatever. Look at all the
nasty things he did!’ I went through that little time of human
emotional or whatever...
as a human?
yes. Reacting as a human for a split second. It was like a split
second of ‘How can this be? This person has done all this,
through thousands of years. And he’s given clemency and
beautified.’ But that’s why the part of human... the
parts of judgment or human side or body cannot come into the equation
when I do this work, because that would have destroyed this
human [gestures towards herself] and it would have not done the work, which
is to raise the level of vibration on the planet. And by taking that
whole negative thing and turning it into light, it raises it a lot.
humans have been judging each other for thousands of years, if not
much longer, and it hasn’t changed anything at all.
hasn’t changed a thing. And the most interesting thing –
and this comes back to objective proof – it was subjective
proof, but it was from somebody else. A friend of mine who is also a
psychic, she called me with one of those dreams that she had...
absolutely had to tell me... She emailed me. She didn’t call
me. She emailed me.
she said, ‘I’ve got to tell you this dream. I don’t
know what it is about. I don’t know what it means, but I know I
have to share it with you.’ She said that she had gone into a
huge mansion, a big mansion, with myself and this other person who
was a well-known psychic – a man. And we were walking around
the mansion and she said... She’s a Feng Shui [she pronounces
it like ‘Feng Shwee’] expert. Feng Shui expert. How do
you pronounce that? Feng Shui?
Shui [he pronounces it like ‘Fung Shway’]... I believe.
Shui. Okay. So she’s a Feng Shui expert. So she knows about
energies in a house. She goes in... when she goes into a house, she
would read the energies with her psychic awareness and then make the
changes to change that.
was walking around this house and she said it was squeaky clean. It
was completely empty and clean, like there was no energies in it. And
she could see where the paintings had been taken down from the walls
and everything had been taken away. And when I... one of the things
that had happened, was that when this thing had completed with this
mansion and the person had been infused with light, it felt as though
he had been given clemency and he had taken all his assets with him.
now, she was relaying this dream about what was the conclusion of the
other thing, so I kind of got my answer, you know?
happened. Yes. There he was.
so, just to summarize on that, this mansion that you visited, this
was a real place, this wasn’t a kind of symbolic, astral situation?
was a real mansion, in the physical universe. And he was really there
in a body, sitting on his throne. And then, astrally, or in some
non-physical form, you then sat next to him, but he knew that you
a human being in real time, he knew that you were there?
was extremely aware. He knew. Yes.
So, that’s an example, if I understand what you’re
saying, that, just by being physically alongside that person and
focusing all of your attention – earlier on you said 110% of
your attention on this person – then that has some sort of a
transformational effect through something that then operates through
there’s nothing that you’re adding, you’re not
thinking, you’re not judging, you’re not figuring it out.
just acting as a lens?
And the reason why it’s necessary to do it that way, is because
to influence things on the planet and especially with regards to
human affairs, you need to be human, otherwise you’re
interfering. But as a human being, you can actually do things to
influence and to interfere within humanity and within the collective.
it’s like a little loop in the interference law, like a clause
that one can use to make things happen.
So you... So, what I hear you saying there then, is that as a human
being, you’re positioning yourself and focusing yourself and
then you become this lens. Position yourself in the right place and
then something operates through you?
your function is basically to be that lens and to move that lens and
to time that lens according to your instructions?
that there’s no personality or ego attached to this at all.
It’s just a function?
It’s just a function. And the other side of that lens, is the
other being. And that being has to have a free will connection with
me. I cannot force myself on somebody. Negative, positive, whatever
you want to call it – the color of their work here. I can’t
force that connection with somebody. There has to be a willingness on
the other party to engage with me on some level.
you would to sit next to the girl on the park bench, would there be
some kind of engagement there? Like ‘hello’ or something
so that she acknowledges that you’re there and it’s okay
to be there.
Normally the agreement is at a higher level. So she would
have agreed to have some sort of help at that moment, and she may have
even asked for help, prayed for help, and that help arrived.
Yes. Yes, I understand.
on a physical level, especially if I’m dealing with a lightworker who’s fully aware, I will, I can only kind of make them
know that I’m there and then they have to invite and then they
have to ask [laughs] or agree with the interaction.
Well, let’s just take this a step... this is so wonderful
interviewing somebody who’s telepathic, because you know
exactly what I’m going to ask you now. [both laugh] When you
were given ME as a target... Okay. Telepathy actually doesn’t
work with a video camera. You actually have to say something! You
were given my name. Is this right?
Ryan. Just like that?
this didn’t mean anything to you?
nothing, I’d never heard of you before! I’m sorry. [both
that often happens. I will get a name and what normally happens, is
it will take me weeks to find it, to find the person or the
relationship, because I get other clues, as well. But with you, it
was very quick. And normally, when I find somebody very quickly, it’s
because it’s urgent. It’s make or break, somehow. I have
no idea, normally [laughs] how, but... Sometimes, I am shown very
you I got, Bill and Avalon. So, I went on my computer. I put "Bill
Avalon" and your website came up. And your interview... the last
interview you did, came up. So, I joined your forum and I put in a
post that was meant to be a flag for you to see. It was a post that
had energy behind it, so that it wouldn’t be missed. But then
you had to actually contact me, because I couldn’t... go out of
my way and, like, say, ‘I have to work with you.’
You had to wait for me to approach you?
is exactly what I did.
Yes. I can actually say, ‘Look, I’m here.’ That’s
what I can do. Either by sending an email or a personal message or
putting a post, to say I’m here. And then the other person has
to say, ‘I’d like to see you,’ ‘I’d
like to contact you,’ ‘I’d like to talk to you.’
So the way that it operated me was a perfect case study of how you
always work? Is that right? [laughs]
it was. Yes. Yes.
is so astonishing. And here we are. All right! And these assignments
or missions or tasks – how many of these have you undertaken in
Oh, it’s impossible to say.
Thousands? How... A large...
very large number.
Yes. And like I say, some of them are tiny. Some of them is just
going somewhere and being somewhere or saying something to somebody.
a little tiny thing that might take a tiny part of one day?
then something else. I think you told me that there are some
assignments that kind of go on...
a long time.
For years sometimes.
you have any understanding of why something would take a long time to
I’ve never looked at it. I’ve never had a curiosity of
why something will be very quick and something wouldn’t.
it’s not your role to analyze anything?
It is not my role to analyze it or be curious or try and connect the
dots. [laughs] That’s done for me!
Are you curious? Or do you sort of suppress your curiosity?
really not curious?
No. It’s just attention points. I mean I have to have my focus
on so many things, that if I tried to focus on curiosity as well,
it’s just... you can only do so many things. [laughs]
it’s entertaining and it’s fun when the proof comes
through or the synchronicities come through, that show why and how
and all the other pieces, because I’m not working by myself.
This is all orchestrated by higher beings, or self, or whatever, the
universe. And there’s thousands upon thousands of people on the
planet doing what I’m doing. And thousands and thousands of
others, and millions of others, who are doing other stuff, that I
couldn’t even go near, but it [would] have a part in what I’m
What’s the best way you can describe whoever or whatever it is
that you get your targeting information
from. What is all that about? What is this source of information,
It comes through various different levels.
One of them that I can describe very quickly because I have a focus
on both, is the formlessness of
oneness which is part of
Right? Like the Divine Source.
Right. That’s outside of time-space. And it would be like a
spark of that came in to do a certain work, but the reason it did,
because it has no attachment really to what really happens on the
planet, if you think about it. And the attachment or the request came
in from other beings and level... ah... people, like, there was a big
call from the planet as an entity, and light beings on the planet,
saying ‘Help!’ Right? ‘To do this we need help.’
that call went out, and it wasn’t just a planetary call. It was
also from other beings around in the galaxy which will be affected by
what happens on the planet, maybe not today, but maybe in a million
years, and that call was like huge.
call from sentient consciousness, to have some sort of intervention on the
planet to allow it – in this timeline – to allow it to
make the shift that it’s supposed to make and it’s trying
to be stopped by the negativity. So, it was a huge call. And that’s
why beings like myself can come into time-space and do this - because
it’s a response to that call.
planet has a trajectory that it’s following naturally. It’s
an evolutionary trajectory.
mean of, like, the culture, the civilization, the people who live
plants, the rocks, the water, the people. The whole thing is one
entity. Even though people think, ‘Oh, we are on the planet and
we were put here, so we’re not really of the planet.’
That’s an illusion, because they’re made of what the
planet’s made out of, physically speaking. Right? The flesh is
made out of the same material.
came from the planet. It’s being fed by the planet. It’s
part of the planet. It’s all an integrated one being, with
different levels of consciousness inside it – including the
human collective and other collectives from other sentient beings are
on the planet and have been here for millions of years.
this planet, as a unit, has a trajectory of evolution. And what’s
been happening, is that this particular juncture and in this
particular timeline, there’s forces who are trying to stop that
evolution, because it’s not profitable for it to evolve
[chuckles] – in their view. Right?
then, we’re coming to, like, laws of existence – for this
to exist, you have laws. You have the law of free will, for example,
that’s being violated all over the place on this planet. You
have the law of time-space, the trajectory that most people would
experience of linear time, is a law. And laws are kind of agreed
rules that the being comes in, to play a game.
rules of the game.
So, if all of a sudden, the rules are being violated, the majority of
players can turn around and say, ‘Bring in a referee, because
this is an unfair game.’ Right?
Yes. This is fascinating, because many years ago, I knew somebody who
was doing something very similar to what you are doing, and he called
he referred to a number of other Arbiters that he was aware of.
And... I mean, this is a whole conversation we haven’t had yet.
He was a most wonderful man, and he said he’d get quite a kick
out of the situation, where he’d just roll up in a particular
situation psychically and then these nasty evil beings would just
take one look at him and run. [both laugh] Of course, he’d
always go and get them.
a whole story that we could tell. But... This is quite interesting. This was my first experience with somebody
like that and I was instrumental in supporting him in attaining the
abilities which he was then able to use to... I mean, that he ended a
war, for example, single-handedly. It’s a whole story about how
he did all that.
to where we were. We were talking about you were coming in, to handle
a situation where rules had been violated, or where agreements had
Basically, what’s happening on the planet right now, is
extremely negative and... well, on a physical level, there is a
violation of free will, because if you keep a collective asleep, what
decisions they make are being influenced by those who are awake and
it’s not really free will.
a bit like stopping people from voting? Yes. Sure.
Or just taking their bodies over, like they’re sleeping and
doing it for them. So that’s not really free will – so
that’s one of the things that's being violated. And then all
the wars and all the other negativity – fear. The vibration of
fear is what’s the make-up or the building block of negativity.
And the planet’s being bombarded... the planet’s humans,
the collective, is being bombarded with fear by a very few people on
the planet. Right? Like the ruling elite are bombarding the entire
population, the entire planet, with fear, through television, through
wars, through crime... perpetuating all these things, even music. And
that’s also a violation of what’s supposed to happen
like a complete bombardment.
So, your role, basically, is a bit like a referee or an umpire in a
game. It’s to make sure that the game is played fairly and
according to the rules. And if anyone is transgressing those rules...
they’re kind of... Right. Then they’re brought into line.
every now and then, you send someone off the pitch?
So, you’re talking about within the context of a set-up
of a particular game,
that’s got some kind of boundaries or delineation to it. That
then your role is to
ensure that that game is played as it was originally conceived and agreed to
be played, by the players.
Unless the players all agree that they want to change the game.
there wasn’t an agreement on the planet. And this planet does
not want to be in the negativity anymore.
got that. Okay. Okay. Now, is this, do you think, a one
off intervention? Is this about changing timelines and that once those
points are switched on the rail road track, then beings like you,
with a functionality like you, will no longer have to be here?
a good answer! [laughs]
And it is about timelines, because there is other timelines in this
planet, that this is not happening. And there is timelines where
everything is resolved already.
that mean then, that in those other timelines the parallel Inelia
isn’t there because she doesn’t have to be?
So, in all of these parallel realities, Inelia is only here in those
versions of reality where she is needed.
things haven’t got screwed up. Oh, sorry. Where things have got
screwed, whereas other places that haven’t.
But there’s different levels.
this is something... When I first came in as this timeline... in this
timeline, because, again, you have that multiplicity of beings in
different timelines... When I first came in and I became aware that I
was in time-space, there were certain things I wasn’t sure
about. One of them was, whereabouts in the shift I was. Was it either
before, during or after the shift? I didn’t know. And the other
one was, which timeline am I in? How severe is it? What’s going
on in this timeline? I didn’t know either.
I found out when I was three. And I wanted OUT [laughs]. I totally
had what you might call a total or nervous breakdown, when I found
out there were still wars on the planet, I realized... it just dawned
on me, which timeline I was in. And it’s one of the worst! They
still have wars here. And I completely broke down and I started
crying. And I cried for about three or four days. They had to take me
to the doctor, give me an injection, put me to sleep for another few
days or whatever.
then, I woke up and it was like, ‘I don’t know if I can
do this.’ [laughs] It was honestly that thought at that time. I
honestly didn’t think I would be able to do it!
the age of three?
you remember this totally clearly now, looking back?
I’ve never forgotten it! It used to be, like, a point of humor
in my family. How many three-year-olds have a nervous
breakdown [laughs] when they find there’s wars still going on
in the planet?! It wasn’t something that was easily forgotten.
you remember every detail of your infancy?
any more. Not any more. I used to. I used to have complete recall about
everything that happened and every book I read. If I had read a book
ten years ago, you could hold the book in your hands, open any page,
give me the page number and I would recite it. I had that type of
memory. But I dropped that at some point! [laughs] I have no idea
why! Maybe it was just getting overcrowded up there! So I...
can actually look back, if I’m given a time and date. I can
look back and probably find it, but now it’s lack of interest,
perhaps. I don’t know. But I don’t have full recall of
everything that happened anymore.
your overall task, your overall life mission here – to what
degree is it successful or being successful or on the way to being
successful? How can you measure how well you are doing? Or how well
we’re all doing with your support?
suppose there are times when I could help somebody and they don’t
make the agreement. They don’t reach out back. And I do get a
moment of, ‘I wish they had. It would make things a lot easier
for the planet [laughs] if they had.’ I can’t name
people, because that would put them in a situation where that free
will is then violated, because they chose not to engage at some
it possible that that’s a question of timing and you might come
back to them and see whether they might engage later?
actually do [laughs].
do try every year or every... depending on when I’m told ‘try
again’ – I will actually present myself there to see if
they’re ready or whatever.
you’ve got a kind of small number of pending missions that you haven’t been able to progress, so far?
yes! However, on the ones that I have been able to make full contact
– each one has been very successful.
overall, in terms of the... the total context for all of this, which
and restoring free will and self determinism to the citizens of the
planet – how far on track are we? Can we measure this? Are we
Inelia: We are doing extremely well. Way
beyond any expectations and also, its wide open right now. It’s wide
open. There are no limits [laughs] to how much can be accomplished.
open in terms of the degree of positive potential?
is. That’s what you mean. Not in terms of whether we’re
going to make it or not.
no, we are going to make it! [laughs]
how rough that’s going to be and hard it’s going to be
for the majority of people on the planet, is still open. It’s
not going to be as bad as it could have been. Right?
how bad it gets, it really depends on the collective. It really
depends on each individual choosing to process their fear.
each person that does it, each person that decides not to engage in
that fear, adds a little bit more higher vibration to the planet and
affects it for hundreds of others.
So, you’re saying that... that we’re definitely going to make it, as it were.
that the unknown variable is exactly how rough a ride it’s
going to be?
[laughs] That is going to be decided by the collective.
what the collective needs is going to be what happens.
that mean that we have changed the timeline, or is that too simplistic, because it’s
like a question of which timeline we’re on...
it depends on... as...
me start that sentence again! It’s a question of – we
could be on any number of different timelines and some of them are
rougher than others – but that they’re all kind of going
to end up in the right place?
Okay. So, each individual on the planet has control over their own
timeline. And that’s one of the things that the elite don’t
want you to know, because if the person is able to change their
timeline, they’re not going to choose one where they’re
enslaved for the rest of their life. They’re going to chose one
where they can manifest whatever they like and live wherever they
like and have a beautiful life.
when we’re talking about how we changed the timeline, the
correct question would be, ‘Have I changed my timeline?’
And joining those others that want the same time line that I want.
I’ve got the visual metaphor of – in inverted commas –
‘the timeline,’ as actually being this big braided rope
made out of millions of little threads...
any number of different permutations to make a timeline.
each one of us creates that thread as we wish and align ourselves
with others who are creating their threads as they wish.
And who have a conscious choosing of that thread and threading and
joining, you no longer have enslavement. It’s impossible. You
no longer have wars, unless there is a group who [are] really into
war games, and they can create their own timeline together.
That’s a moderately staggering thought, I have to say. In a
previous conversation we had, just the other day, you kind of put a
percentage on it. You said that it was 70 percent handled, and that
might not even be exactly what you said. What were you referring to
smooth transition without chaos, and... like, millions of lives being
okay. I’ve got you. All right. So that 70 percent is on the
kind of smooth-rough spectrum.
But, actually, you’re saying the overall outcome is assured.
I right in understanding that when you came here, a few decades ago,
you... the outcome was not assured. And since then, conditions have
changed. And now it is assured.
And, in putting it together like that, I’m not trying to
simplify things in such a crude way as to saying that you alone have
done this. You said earlier, you wanted to point out, that, of
course, you haven’t. This was a whole movement. It’s a
whole concept. It’s a whole team-working effort, with tens of
thousands of people involved. And we’ll never know most of
would say millions. I would say millions.
Yes. All in different ways.
are beings who are incarnating here from everywhere and every when.
the god... In the known universe. [laughs]
Yes. From the universe and outside of the universe.
from the next door planet. I mean, all kinds of things are happening
many of the people watching this, may have had personal encounters
with some of those beings. They may well be those beings themselves.
may be those beings themselves and they don’t even realize it,
and this video is going to wake them up! How about that?
Because here, we have the interesting opportunity, of rather than you
sitting next to someone on a park bench or going to visit some evil
dark despot on his throne in his mansion, personally, you can
actually do this virtually, through this video, by representing your
everyone who watches this, tens of thousands of people, and maybe
this is why we’re doing it.
no coincidence that you’re watching this video right now.
There is no escape. That... Yes, that’s... I mean, I have to
say, that thought only just occurred to me. But there could be
something in this, couldn’t there?
Bill: So Inelia, now it’s a couple weeks later. There’s
something else, as well, which might be useful to address, because,
in the interview you talked about parallel time lines, about
different alternative realities, that to some degree we have a choice
about what to experience.
right now, things are very confusing, because there’s a lot of
information. You get prophecies and predictions and visions and
dreams and people thinking, ‘Oh, my God. This is going to
happen and that’s going to happen,’ and people who’ve
being told things by astral beings and ETs, and then these things
what does this mean? What advice can you give to anyone who’s
worried about what it is that they have been told will happen or
is an aspect of that that’s really interesting, because when
the information’s given out, collectively we choose to agree on
it or not agree on it. So, the first thing I would say would be, not
to agree on it. [laughs]
would you say to people who’ve... who watched everything so far
and they just cannot believe what you’re saying. They can’t
believe that you’re real, because there’s just so much
stuff out there that isn’t real or that is delusional. And
they’re thinking, ‘You know what? I’m just going to
move on to something else, because this is crazy stuff.’
would like to acknowledge that reality, and I think you’ve
taken the perfect path, which is to go and look somewhere else,
because I am not real to you, and I will never be real to you. And I
agree – you’re absolutely right.
you may become real, when they watch it a second time.
Inelia: Then their reality would be shifted.
And I know that there’s something else that you wanted to
mention, too. This is the possibility that there’s a
misunderstanding, that people are kind of thinking that you’re
some kind of a miracle worker who waves your magic wand and fixes
things and you can take orders and fix things for people, and that
you make decisions about what to do and what not to do and so on and
so forth. And there is a whole clarification about that, that it
might be useful for you to underline.
I never choose who I work with. That comes through my higher self or
divine intervention or whatever you want to call it. Right?
[chuckles] But basically, what I’m concentrating on, is the
collective. So, if you do feel that I have something that I can offer
you, you can go into my website, and there’s stuff there.
There’s a ton of information, exercises and things you can do.
I’m not working with people individually anymore, because this
is a different time. It’s not about what can Inelia do for you.
It’s about you stepping up to the call. This a call to action
and that’s why I agreed to do this interview and saying, ‘How
can I as a viewer, how can I step up and help in this work?’
Right? ‘Where’s your joy? Where’s your passion?
you’re not a fixer? You’re a catalyst. Right?
a catalyst. That would be a good word for it. A catalyst. And you can
become the catalyst. It’s just, how do you do it? Right? And
it’s about raising your own personal vibration and you will
become a catalyst yourself.
we can all be each other’s catalysts.
is the potential synergy that’s there.
it’s a problem, isn’t it, that people are always looking
for someone to rescue them, to do something for them, to save them,
to lift them out of this. They’re waiting for the rapture.
They’re waiting for God to help them, or the ETs to help them.
And the last thing you want, is for you to step into this role,
because that’s not what you’re here for.
not going to do it. [laughs] And, one of the things is that, that’s
not the person’s fault, because that’s the way that the
program has been downloaded, so that the elite can have absolute
control. Right? Because then you disempower a person so much, that
they don’t realize that they can help themselves. But they can.
Every individual can do it. Every individual can not only be a
catalyst for their own life, but for everybody else around them, too.
this sounds like one of your most important messages. Anyone has
access to what you have been gifted to have access to. That no one
needs anyone’s permission to start work and to start fixing
things. No one even needs to be organized or no one needs to wait for
somebody to say, ‘Okay. This is the starting gun. Let’s
just encouraging people to empower themselves and to get on with
whatever it is that they came here for.
yes. And another point here, is that we all came in with all these
abilities. Right? And through programming and through our upbringing,
cultural situation or whatever, we’ve lost it on the way. I’ve
lost several of my abilities myself. And I personally have to work on
either getting them back or finding out why not. Right?
it’s all there. And if something’s been lost, it hasn’t
really been lost. It’s been temporarily mislaid, and all you’ve
to do is find it again.
right. Yes. You have to find it again. However, the important aspect
about all these things, is that it’s not about moving chairs
across the room. It’s not about reading people’s minds.
It’s not about healing the sick. It’s about your own
growth in awareness and higher vibration, that you can make yourself
vibrate the highest that you possibly can, and these things will come
in. Right? All of a sudden, people will start feeling better near
you, and all of a sudden, you’ll be able to do and be able to
be more efficient, through these skills, in raising the vibration of
the planet or making it a better world, which is another way of
if you go out and become obsessed with moving a table across the
room, that’s not... I mean, maybe, yes, possibly, and there’s
people who can do it. You’ll be able to do it eventually, but
how does that help? You could have just stood up and grabbed the
table and moved it across the room. How is that going to help the
me, quite a good analogy is in Star
There is so much truth in that wonderful movie. And you have little
Yoda who has all these powers and he shows Luke how he can lift his
craft out of the swamp with his abilities to remotely levitate it.
But that’s not what the movie’s about. The movie is about
the power of the force.
And the movie is about how to defeat the dark side and how to recover
one’s own abilities to harness them with others in order to
defeat the Empire, so to speak.
it’s not about the magic tricks.
it’s not about the magic tricks.
magic tricks are fun and they’re a side effect and they’re
absolutely not important. And...
for anyone who’s remotely interested, behind the camera here,
I, as Bill Ryan, I can’t do any magic tricks whatsoever, but
that doesn’t matter. I can still be a fully-fledged participant
in this transformational process and all I need to do is operate a
camera, and that’s...
That’s... Exactly. You don’t need special powers to click
‘record.’ You just press the button.
I can do it with my own hands. I don’t need to do it with my
Is there anything else you want to say as a final message to the
people watching this? There’ll be more videos to come. There’ll
be more information. There’ll be... personal presentations? Are
you going to be giving any workshops, conferences...?
So, this isn’t going to be the last that people are going to
see of you.
That’s something for us to look forward to. My sense here, if I
can share my personal thoughts about this, is that this is an
exciting journey that’s just starting. And I encourage anyone
who’s watching this, who has that sense also, that this is an
exciting journey that’s just starting. Even if it may have felt
to you, personally, that it started maybe a few years ago, it’s
still just starting. There’s a lot of work to do. There’s
a lot of people to share this journey with and there’s a lot
fun to be had and a lot of important work to do.
it is. And it’s not just about what is going to happen in the
next two or three years. And it’s not about all the disasters
that are happening around the planet. It’s not about that. It’s
what happens afterwards.
what happens afterwards.
it would be quite all right with you, if there were no disasters
absolutely! Let’s agree on that one. [laughs]
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