Jim Humble and the Story behind MMS : Miracle Mineral Supplement
Sasbachwalden, Germany, November 2008
Jim Humble: ...I did things
like set up A-bomb tests. I worked on Intercontinental Ballistic
Missiles. I was able to wire the first computer-controlled
machine in the United States at Hughes Aircraft Company.
... So they called me in and had me repair
the Lunar Vehicle. [laughs] And so, did they go to the Moon
they? [laughs] I don’t know whether they took it to the
Moon or they took it out to the mountains in the desert.
... He was going through the files one time and he come
upon this photograph, 8 x 10 photograph, that showed a space
station on the back side of the Moon.
... I figured: They didn’t get all that gold
out there. I can just go out and get a bunch of it myself. You
know. And so I started in mining and I found out that pretty
much that they did get all that gold out there after
... I developed new techniques for gold recovery.
... When you have a billion dollars invested in a particular
process, it isn’t likely you’re just going to change,
you know. It’s not something that they usually do.
... And these guys were really sick, and so I asked them
if they would like to try to my water purification drops that
I had brought along with me. And in four hours they
were up, laughing about how bad they were feeling just a little
... Normally speaking, a person who’s
given MMS will be well from malaria in four hours. I’ve
treated 2,000 people personally, and the people I’ve
trained have treated over 100,000 people.
Bill Ryan: Are you allowed to say here on camera that MMS
will cure cancer?
Jim Humble: Sure. [laughs] I can say it. MMS will cure
Bill Ryan: So, this is Bill Ryan from
Project Camelot and this is Friday, the 21st of November 
and I am delighted to meet Jim Humble. Jim!
Jim Humble: It’s my pleasure.
BR: It’s wonderful to meet a man who’s got
good taste in headgear. [laughter] And we’re here in
southern Germany at Sasbachwalden, at a conference where Jim
is speaking in a few hours’ time. And you’ve flown
in from Mexico, I believe?
JH: Hermosillo, Mexico.
BR: A few days ago.
BR: Now, Jim, it’s very clear that you’ve
had an extraordinary life. What’s your background? What
was it that brought you to the point when you were in Guyana?
You were prospecting? Was it for gold?
JH: Prospecting for gold. Yeah.
BR: So, take us through the fast-forward of your life,
and your training, and how come you got to that point in Guyana.
JH: Well, I started, sort of, in the
aerospace industries and... I started as a technician
in the aerospace industry. And I just, as things worked out,
I became a non-degreed engineer, as a research engineer in
aerospace. And I did things like set up A-bomb tests and I...
BR: Atomic bomb tests?
JH: Atomic bomb tests. And I worked on Intercontinental
Ballistic Missiles and I worked on power generation from plasma.
Yeah, I just happened that I was in the right place at the
right time. And back in those days... and I was able to
wire the first computer-controlled machine in the United States
at Hughes Aircraft Company.
You know, for a number of years there, I sort of lucked out
and worked on the edge of science on a number of different
projects. And I had a lot of fun [laughs] working on it, on
the various different projects. And so...
But, you know, the Cold War come to an end, and the aerospace
industry sort of come to an end, and so I went into mining.
And I got interested in mining -- gold mining, of course, because
I was thinking that I could make a lot of money in gold mining.
I was like a lot of guys. I figured: They didn’t
get all that gold out there. I can just go out and get a bunch
of it myself. You know.
And so I started off in mining and I found out that pretty
much that they did get all that gold out there after
all. And so, it...
But in the process of being in mining, I started working with
the various different mining techniques. And I wrote five books
on mining recovery, mainly on the recovery of gold, different
ways of leaching.
And I wrote ways of not using mercury. A lot of mining was
using mercury up to that time, and I wrote a book on how to
use mercury safely. And then I wrote a book on how you didn’t
need mercury after all. [laughs] And so I just sort of got
And I developed new techniques for gold recovery. And I could
go into the jungle and recover gold that they had missed before
because I could recover the very, very fine particles of gold
with my particular technique. It uses nothing but water and
it makes no harsh impact on the environment because there’s
no chemicals. And it will... not only that, but it does
a better job and a lot cheaper job than the chemical operations
that they have now.
But those people who are using the chemical operations, they
don’t particularly care to talk about it. So it’s
not something that is easy to sell. It’s just like a
lot of things. They don’t want to change, you know. People
are doing something and they don’t want to change the
way they’re doing it.
BR: So your second career actually has got a lot of
interesting parallels with your third career, that the vested
interests want to keep on using the more toxic and ineffective
JH: That’s correct. There is
a lot of parallels there and there’s... It would
be a real good thing for the mining industry to use the process.
It’s much cheaper, easier to set up. But when you have
a billion dollars invested in a particular process, it isn’t
likely you’re just gonna change, you know. It’s
not something that they usually do. And so I don’t worry
about it too much.
BR: In your first career, which you had back in aerospace,
didn’t you have something to do with the Lunar Module?
Or the Lunar Lander, was it?
JH: I was working at the General Motors
Defense Research Laboratories in Santa Barbara at the time.
And they had taken the Lunar Vehicle up there to get it ready
to be loaded on the ship going to the Moon, of course. And
there was some parts inside of it that was broken. And I don’t
know, minor, tiny accident, but there was a few wires that
were broken and everything. And I happened to be an electronic
technician, and they knew I was, so they called me in and had
me repair the Lunar Vehicle. [laughter]
And so, I just got to work on it. And it was kind of interesting,
what they were doing. And did they go to the Moon or didn’t
they? I don’t know [laughs] whether they took it to the
Moon or they took it out to the mountains in the desert. But
I assume that they took it to the Moon.
BR: We actually heard from one of our whistleblowers
that both of the stories were correct, that some of the missions
went to the Moon, some did not. Some of the photographs were
real and some were not. It’s a real mixed bag.
JH: Yeah. Right. I remember that flag,
you know, waving. [laughter] So you’re never... of
course, there wasn’t any air on the Moon, so the flag
really shouldn’t have been waving.
BR: There were all kind of things, cross-hairs behind
the image, anomalies. Didn’t you say that you were working
in the room with a colleague who saw something interesting
at one point?
JH: Well, yes, I did. I had friend
who was working at JPL, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which was
doing all of the Moon work at that time. And he was a draftsman
and he had, well, he had the right to go into the various different
secret files to get material out for his drafting, whatever
it was that he was doing.
BR: He had the level of clearance.
JH: He had the level of clearance,
yeah. And so he was going through the files one time and he
come upon this photograph, 8 x 10 photograph, that showed a
space station on the back side of the Moon. And it was far
enough from the Moon that you could see the station and yet
you could see that it was the Moon.
And it was pretty obvious to him that it was not the type
of construction that the United States would do. In other words,
it wasn’t the type of construction that JPL would do,
because he’s familiar with all that. He was designing
things along those lines, so he was familiar with what JPL
did and didn’t do. And the construction that he saw on
the Moon was totally foreign to Earth.
BR: So he said to you: Hey Jim. Look what I’ve
just seen. Look what I’ve...
JH: That’s right. He didn’t
show it to me. He didn’t bring it out. He just told me.
He told me about it, explained it at the time.
BR: That’s a pretty interesting story. Someone
should make a movie of your life. [laughter] That would be
quite a story. You’ve had several careers in there, haven’t
JH: Well, I don’t know how interesting
it would be, but it would be very interesting to me. [laughs]
BR: What would be wonderful here... I
an enormous story you told, which you have told before. But
for the benefit of people who aren’t familiar with your
work, can you give a brief summary, if it’s possible,
of your discovery -- if discovery is the right word
-- of the Miracle Mineral Supplement known all over the world
as MMS, what it does, and how it was that you came to develop
JH: Well, I was a gold prospector in
South America, and a couple of my men came down with malaria.
And so... we were quite a ways out in the jungle and there
was no way to get any malaria drugs, and we had not previously
believed that there would be any malaria in that area. So we
had no malaria drugs.
And I sent a couple of runners off to a local mining operation.
But it was going to take them a day to get there and a day
to get back, and that’s a long time without a malaria
drug when you’re pretty darn sick. And these guys were
And so I asked them if they would like to try my water purification
drops that I had brought along with me. And they said they
were willing to try anything.
They were very sick. They had all the symptoms. They were
laying in bed and they were... they had a high fever,
and they were shivering, and they had pains in their joints.
And they had nausea. They were throwing up. They had extreme
headache. They were just in bad shape.
And so I give ’em a... I give each one of ’em
a glass with quite a few drops of the purification liquid.
And in four hours they were up, laughing about how
bad they were feeling just a little while before. And they
ate dinner that night, normally, and they went to work the
And the next day a couple more of ’em came down, and
the same thing happened. They were treated for malaria in the
same way, of course, and they were well.
And after that I traveled through the jungle, and I treated
a lot of people in the jungle in South America, which was the
country of Guyana. And I became pretty well known in that part
of the jungle because I treated a lot of people.
It didn’t always work at that time. I had not done any
work with it, and so, sometimes it didn’t work and so... But
I still became well known. And finally I went into the city
and started treating people in the city. And that wasn’t
the thing to do. The government stopped me at that time.
BR: The government in Guyana.
JH: The government in Guyana stopped
me because several American drug companies called down there
and said, told them, that if they didn’t stop “the
guy that was curing malaria” that they were going to
stop shipping drugs to the local hospital.
And the reason why I know that is because I had... a
friend that I had made when I first got there was the guy that
was directly under the president of the country. And he said,
he told me, that’s what happened, and they had no choice
but they had to make me stop because they couldn’t afford
to have their hospital not have drugs. And so that was the
BR: Mm hm.
JH: Anyhow, I went back to the United
States and I started working on it, trying to figure out what
was in it that caused the malaria to be cured. And I finally
realized... What I was using was a solution that is being
sold in all the health food stores and had been on the shelves
of health food stores for like 75 years in the United States.
And it’s called stabilized oxygen.
And so, that’s what I was using -- stabilized oxygen.
And I started working with it. And I sent it over to friends
that I made in Africa, and they were trying it out on people
who had malaria over there and telling me by email how it was
working. And so they cured a lot of people.
And in the process, I was working out ways of making it work
better and better. So we finally got to the point where it
was curing everybody that they treated. There wasn’t
any failures. And so, at that point, I didn’t figure
that it needed to get any better. And so, I have been working
with it the same way.
Now, stabilized oxygen has been used, and people have been
talking about oxygen, and how wonderful it was to have the
oxygen and stabilized oxygen. It’s been in books and
on the internet, and so forth.
But the fact is, there is no useful oxygen in stabilized oxygen.
It’s chlorine dioxide is what is available in
stabilized oxygen, and there is no oxygen that’s available.
So, they have been confused all that time. And that might be
one of the reasons why it never got really developed into a... to
the point that it would really cure everything that it treated.
However, that was the basics of the development of Miracle
Mineral Supplement of the 21st century.
BR: And it was... Basically what you did then,
was you figured out a more powerful delivery mechanism of the
chlorine dioxide that the stabilized oxygen was delivering
in the first place.
JH: Yeah. It was a simple thing, although
it took me about a year to figure it out. But any good chemist
would have probably figured it out in the first day. But my
chemistry was limited to metallurgy, and so, a lot of chemistry
I really didn’t understand. So it took me a while to
realize what to do to it.
But the simplicity of it was, you simply add some vinegar
or some lemon juice, and the acid in the vinegar or the lemon
juice releases the chlorine dioxide. And that is what does
the work – chlorine dioxide.
Now, chlorine dioxide is not the same as chlorine.
And everybody gets really, really afraid of chlorine dioxide
when they hear what it is. But it isn’t the same as chlorine
at all. It doesn’t create the chemicals that chlorine
creates in the body or in water purification systems.
Chlorine will create, in most any water purification system,
several carcinogenic, you know, cancer-causing chemicals. But
chlorine dioxide does not.
And it’s... chlorine dioxide is as different chlorine
as table salt is different from chlorine. Table salt is sodium chloride,
and so, it’s made from chlorine. So it’s quite
different from chlorine, and it’s very, very effective
in the body.
BR: Now, I know a little bit about oxygen therapies,
and hydrogen peroxide in particular. Does it work in a similar
way to hydrogen peroxide therapy?
JH: Well, it does work in a similar
way, but it works in a... It is a less powerful oxidizer
than hydrogen peroxide.
Hydrogen peroxide will oxidize many things that chlorine dioxide
will not oxidize, which sort of makes chlorine dioxide an ideal
oxidizer for the body. It doesn’t have the power to oxidize
the healthy cells of the body, or the beneficial bacteria in
the body, or a lot of the tissues of the body.
So, while hydrogen peroxide can oxidize a lot of things, chlorine
dioxide oxidizes a very limited number of things. And so, the
limit it’s limited to is so ideal. It will only oxidize
pathogens. That’s the things that cause disease in your
body. It only oxidizes the pathogens. And it won’t oxidize
any of the beneficial things in the body.
So you don’t really have to worry about it. There’s
no side effects from it. There’s nothing to build up
with it. It turns into... after it’s in the body
for about 2, 3, 4 hours, it turns into a chloride.
Guess what. That’s table salt.
And it turns into such a small amount of chloride that it
is not anything that you can worry about. It’s maybe
two or three grains of table salt from a dose of chlorine dioxide,
and that’s all it is. So it leaves nothing behind to
cause any kind of side effects, or nothing to build up, to
cause side effects.
BR: OK. Now, for people who’ve heard about MMS
but who aren’t scientifically minded, what can you say
about what you’re reasonably sure it can do? When you
say it kills pathogens, you mean it kills harmful viruses and
JH: That’s right.
BR: How does it single those out?
JH: The pathogens... In the body,
those things that cause diseases – pathogens - are anaerobic.
Now, most everybody understands that there’s aerobic and anaerobic bacteria
in the body. And the anaerobic bacteria, anaerobic
microorganisms, are the ones that do the damage -- the
The aerobic are oxygen-using bacteria, and they are
much more powerful. They’re much stronger than the disease-causing
anaerobic microorganisms. So the anaerobic microorganisms are
the guys that cause all the trouble, and they’re the
weak organisms. They’re not strong.
Just to give you an example of an idea, most people have been
out in the woods, and they’ve seen the fungus growing
on the trees. Well, that’s anaerobic. And you can walk
up to the tree and knock the fungus off because it’s
very weak. It don’t have the power that the trees, which
are using the oxygen, have -- they’re strong and healthy.
But the fungus is very, very weak.
And it’s the same way in your body. The pathogens that
don’t use oxygen are very weak. And so, when you put
the chloride dioxide in the body, it’s a weak oxidizer,
so it can single out the pathogens. Because it’s a weak
oxidizer, it only has enough power to oxidize the pathogens.
Now, one thing about it is, although it’s a much weaker
oxidizer than the other oxidizers like ozone and hydrogen peroxide,
although it’s much weaker, it has a much greater capacity.
It can oxidize a lot more. It’ll oxidize twice as much
as ozone, or 2-1/2 times as much as ozone, but it can’t
oxidize as many different things as ozone. It can only oxidize
a few things, but those few things that it does oxidize, it
oxidizes with a great deal of power.
It’s sort of like... Chlorine dioxide is an explosive,
not only in large quantities, where it will blow your building
apart, but it’s explosive in small quantities. To those
things it can oxidize, it’s explosive, and it will do
And so, while I’m mentioning that, I will just mention
to you that the way it kills a pathogen is, it blows a hole
in the skin. Now, the normal antibiotic that you take,
that antibiotic has to be built just for the particular pathogen
it’s going to kill, because it has to go inside, and
it has to make the nucleus quit working properly.
BR: Mm hm.
JH: But chlorine dioxide blows a hole
in the side. And, because it blows a hole in the side, there
is no possibility of any pathogen ever developing a resistance
to chlorine dioxide.
Now, chlorine dioxide kills viruses in a slightly
different way. Instead of that method, and instead of going
in and trying to kill the nucleus of the virus, it prevents
the formation of special virus proteins. And, of course, if
the proteins can’t form, in a very short period it results
in the death or the destruction of the virus.
So, it kills both bacteria and viruses. It also kills fungus,
and several of the other types of pathogens that are in the
body as well.
BR: It will kill parasites as well?
JH: And it kills parasites. It kills
all kinds of parasites and it kills them fast. Because, for
example, malaria is caused by a parasite. And, normally speaking,
a person who’s given MMS will be well from malaria in
four hours. I mean, the worst disease of mankind is well from
malaria in four hours.
And it isn’t like we “think” it works. I’ve
treated 2,000 people personally. And the people I’ve
trained have treated over 100,000 people. And in that 100,000,
normally you’d find 400 people that died. Normally in
100,000 people who get malaria, 400 people would be dead. And
there were no deaths reported in that 100,000 at all.
So it really works well with malaria, and that’s parasites.
And there are a lot of other parasites that we’ve treated
BR: Even large parasites?
JH: Even large parasites. Even worms.
JH: When we were treating the people
in the villages in Africa, ever so often we’d get one
kid or a guy and he would cough up a lot of worms, as... you
know, as big around as an orange almost. So, it will kill the
big ones as well.
BR: So the trials that you’ve done against malaria,
where you said you trained somebody or a team who cured 100,000
people, this was in Africa?
JH: In Africa. Yes.
BR: Whereabouts in Africa?
JH: Well, it was both in Kenya and
Uganda... some missionary, large missionary, operation
in Kenya and Uganda. And then there was guys who I give the
material to, MMS to, and they went to Sierra Leone. And then,
quite a few people in Tanzania treated. And then, of course,
I’ve treated a number of them in Malawi. All of these
countries are in Africa, if you don’t recognize them.
BR: And what happens in those countries when word starts
to spread that a scourge like malaria is getting handled so
JH: Well, usually a lot of other people
come in. But, unfortunately, things happen that sort of slow
things down. One thing happened -- there’s a couple of
missionaries decided I was evil. And so they told all the missionaries
in the area that I was evil, and so that sort of slowed things
down. They actually quit using the MMS. And so, many people
who wanted to be treated didn’t get treated.
BR: Because you were a threat to the power structure.
JH: Maybe that was it. I don’t
know. They just decided. Actually, what happened is, one of
the nurses came to me. She had a lot of pain in her hand. And
I just put my hand on her hand, and I said: Can you feel
my fingers. You know? And she said: Yeah.
And I said: Feel my fingers. And I said it about
And she said: Oh, the pain’s going away. I can feel
it tingling. You know.
And this missionary come running over and said: Stop that!
Stop it. Stop it. And she... I don’t know.
She decided that I was evil.
BR: That implies that you’ve actually got healing
hands to some degree, do you think?
JH: Well, no, but I developed a technique
for healing by touch. I call it Touch Healing. And the basic
theory of Touch Healing is that your brain controls all the
healing in your body. And so, if you can increase the communication
between the brain and the area that’s bad, it will heal
faster. And it can heal in minutes sometimes... not always,
but it often can.
And... somewhat, a little bit like Reiki, but not really.
And the idea is that, as you develop pain in your wrist, the
brain don’t like the pain, so it starts turning off the
communication. And the worse the pain gets, the least communication.
And so now, if you can get that communication going better,
the pain will heal faster. It works pretty good. [laughs]
BR: And what response have you had from the orthodox
medical establishment? Because the statistics sound pretty
JH: Well, it depends on where you’re
at. In the United States, the medical establishment there is
pretty much against MMS.
I had a millionaire who was willing to put up enough money
to treat the entire country of Haiti, and so I went there with
the idea of doing that. And I tried to communicate with the
people there, and I talked to all of the missionaries there.
And every one of ’em was connected with a doctor in the
United States. And in every case, they called the doctor in
the United States, and he says: Don’t have anything
to do with it.
So, quite a few of ’em were enthused about doing it,
but when their doctor told them not to they didn’t have
any... So, the medical establishment in the United States,
for the last couple of years, has not been very receptive to
But, on the other hand, I’m in Mexico now. And there
the doctors have been helping me. A non-profit civil association
was formed and a number of doctors have put their names to
it. And we’ve started doing clinical trials for AIDS
and hepatitis C and cancer. And those trials have been going
And we have a guy who’s head of the prison system there.
He’s also helping us. So, we’ve had... And
the local hospital has agreed to give us 300 blood tests for
free. And so, we’ve been out to treat the local Indians
in the various tribes near there.
And it’s gone much better in Mexico than it’s
gone in the United States, although there’s a lot of
bottles of MMS being sold in the United States. There’s
at least 15,000 bottles a month being sold in the United States
BR: Are you allowed to say here on camera that MMS will
JH: Sure. [laughs] I can say it. MMS
will cure cancer.
BR: OK. That’s a wonderful thing for a lot of
people to hear. What statistics have you got on that, realistically,
for people who might literally feel they’ve got their
lives at stake here? Is there a good chance?
JH: There’s a good chance, in
my opinion. You know, I’ve treated a few hundred people
in Mexico. Some of ’em were cancer patients. I’ve
treated over the telephone, when people call me and I set up
treatments for ’em over the telephone, at least 2000
people over the telephone. And I’ve probably treated
by email another 4000 people. And I have a lot of stories of
people who have been cured of cancer.
I can give you... There was a gal down in Australia who
had lung cancer, and the doctor had given her, said: You’re
going to die in about 2 weeks. And she, of course, was
in bed, and she wasn’t able to get out of bed except
they would get her out to go to the bathroom and things like
And so, her doctor heard of MMS and brought it to her. He
said: You’d just as well take this as not. You’re
going to be dead soon anyway. You know.
And she said: Of course, she was willing to take it, what
the hell? And in 11 days she was up walking around.
And in 15 days, she got in her car and drove it down to the
lake and walked around a small lake. And before the month
was out, she was back teaching school. She wasn’t completely
cured at that time, but since that time, of course, she’s
been completed cured.
Just the other day, not more than a month ago, my friend who
works with me there in Mexico, his uncle got cancer. And he
got worse and worse, and he was finally in bed. And it was
a pancreatic cancer. And so, he said: I want to go treat
my uncle. And I said: Sure, go treat your uncle.
And so, he got on the plane and he flew to another Mexican
city where his uncle was. And his uncle was lying in bed, totally
depressed, would hardly even talk to him. And so he says: Here,
I‘m going to give you some stuff to take. And he
just handed it to him and said: Drink it. [laughs]
And then he did a whole protocol that we have, which is putting
the MMS on the outside of the skin, and several other things.
And by the next morning, he got up out of bed and walked around
And by the third day he quit taking the pain tablets. And
that’s generally the first thing that really is a good
sign, and most always, almost always, happens with cancer patients,
is within 2 or 3 days they quit taking the pain tablets. And
so he quit taking the pain tablets. And by the end of the week
he was talking about going back to work.
Now, when I left Mexico, he wasn’t totally cured, but
that guy was up, living his life again at least.
BR: And it works because chlorine dioxide heads straight
for anything that’s anaerobic and basically just explodes
JH: That’s right.
BR: And cancer cells are anaerobic.
JH: Yes. But there’s a little
bit more to it than that with cancer. You see, we put it on
the skin. And we use DMSO. That’s a particular material
that soaks into the skin. Now, it’s used by people to
treat horses all over the world, and it’s used for treating
a lot of animals. And a lot of people have used it, too.
BR: What’s that name again?
JH: DMSO. And if you mix it with the
MMS, and you put it on the skin, it soaks into the skin and
it takes the MMS into the skin, too. And so, when it takes
the MMS into the skin, it heads directly for the cancer. And
it soaks into the cancer, too.
Instead of attacking the cancer cells, the weak cancerous
cells, because it’s DMSO, it soaks into the cell, and
it kills the little bug that’s inside the cell that’s
causing the cancer and that’s causing the cell to be
weak and cancerous.
When you kill that little bug, the cell becomes healthy again.
And so, you no longer have to kill the cell. And so the whole
theory behind using MMS to kill cancer is, we use it three
or four different ways, all on the same guy, because we want
to have as much MMS in that person’s body as possible.
We want to make the body -- environment of the body -- totally
reject the cancer. And so, the more we can get into the body,
the more likely that it will kill the cancer.
But we’re limited, because we can’t make the person
sick. We gotta stay giving him just enough that he don’t
get sick, but is on the edge of getting sick. [laughs] So we’ve
got to keep him just on that very edge. And therefore, it’s
pretty intense for cancer. It’s pretty intense. He needs
to take it 4 or 5 times a day, small amounts 4 or 5 times a
day, instead of a big batch at one time.
BR: What does “small amounts” mean?
JH: Well, “small amounts” means
3, 4, 5, 6 drops of MMS. And, of course, you’ve got to
activate the MMS, too, but it’s small amounts.
And then, of course, the MMS that’s put on the outside
of the body affects the body in a different way. And it doesn’t
cause a Herxheimer reaction -- a Herxheimer reaction being
the reaction that’s caused by cells dying -- because
it goes in and it kills the bug that’s inside the cancer
instead of killing the cancer... inside the cancerous
cells, I should say. So it kills the...
So, we’ve been having a lot of luck with cancer and
almost every other disease you can imagine.
BR: Now it sounds like... I mean, like now watching
this video, there will be people who are paying very close
attention to what you’re saying because they may be thinking,
you know: This is my last hope. Do they buy a bottle
and start taking it? Do they need to consult a practitioner,
someone with experience? Are there special protocols for different
kinds of cancer?
JH: Well, some people... You know,
some people have the ability to self-medicate. And boy, I mean,
the medical doctors really hate that. Self-medication, you
know, it’s going to keep them from getting a few bucks.
[laughs] And so they scream about self-medication all the time.
But self-medication’s a good thing. People are taking
responsibility for themselves, and so I recommend that. Either
way. If you can find somebody who has experience, that’s
good, but get going.
And so, I have all of the data on my different websites. And
those websites have protocols on them. And the protocols tell
you how to do it, tell you how to do the cancer, tell you how
to do others things as well.
And the latest one is, I say, a “Protocol for People
who have Life-threatening Diseases.” And that is the
latest protocol, and the protocol that we’ve been getting
the best results for, for life-threatening diseases like cancer.
There are a lot of other things that you don’t need to
go that intense with. You can take it much easier.
But normally I have all of those different protocols on, and
a lot of other data, too. And, for people who really want to
study up on it, I have what’s called a MMS Answers site,
and there’s more than 800 questions and answers that
I have given people over the last year.
And those questions are cross-referenced in a number of different
ways, so you can look up almost anything. If you want to look
up pancreas, you can look up pancreas. If you want
to look up colon, you can look up colon, or a number
of other things in that manner.
BR: So what you want is to give people the power to
take their own health welfare back into their own hands, away
from the professionals.
JH: Exactly. Exactly. I think the more
a person takes responsibility for his own health, the more
likely he is to be happy and stay alive.
BR: And, in terms of a list of the diseases which MMS
has been shown to be efficacious against, you’re talking
malaria, AIDS, cancer. What else?
JH: Flu. Colds. All types of diseases
of the mouth. Most people find that they... Even people
who think they have healthy mouths, if they will brush with
MMS once or twice a day, they’ll find that their gums’ll
get harder, their teeth will get more solidly in place, the
teeth will get whiter.
The MMS kills any bacteria that’s on the teeth and helps
enamel remain solid, and helps the enamel build back to a certain
extent. Because if you kill all those bacteria in there, the
enamel can improve, to a certain extent. And all kinds of people
who’ve had terrible, terrible diseases of the mouth --
and including abscessed teeth. Including abscessed teeth.
Now, for a long time I was pretty much convinced that if the
tooth abscessed from the inside, you couldn’t get MMS
into it, and therefore you couldn’t cure it if it was
abscessed from the inside. But the fact of the matter is... One
of my guys said: Hey, I’m gonna try that DMSO and
see if it’ll soak in. And so he put it in, and brushed
his mouth with a real light, soft toothbrush for a while, just
dipping it in the DMSO and the MMS combination, and just brushing
it. And in about two days, the abscess in his tooth went away.
Now, that’s a total impossibility, but it works. [laughs]
And so, it does really great things with all... I mean,
I’ve had lots and lots of people call me and tell me
that their mouth was in terrible shape, and tell me how it
had improved to normal, or even better than what you consider
normal. So, it really works well with fixing the mouth up.
BR: Now there are two modern-day plagues that could
spread, so we are told. One is tuberculosis, and the other
one is avian flu, if it comes to that. Would you have reason
to suspect that MMS could work against both of these?
JH: Well, I sure would. The avian flu... Of
course, you know, there’s been an entire multi-billions
of people on this Earth. There’s only been 300 cases
of avian flu, and those guys that got that was in places that
was highly susceptible to it.
The chances of it ever happening is very, very slim, although
the president, Bush, thinks, and has been talking about how
he expects it to happen, you know. And there’s a lot
of people talking about, in the drug cartels, are talking about
how it’s going to be, it’s just gonna happen sooner
or later, it’s gotta happen but they just don’t
know how soon it’s gonna happen, but they know it’s
BR: Some people think it’s been weaponized.
JH: That’s right. There are some
people that think it’s been weaponized. But I think that
the flu that’s been the most dangerous was the 1917 flu.
It killed 50 million people. And they’ve gotten that
one back, too. [laughs] So they reconstructed it from people
who were buried up in Alaska, who had the flu. And they were
buried in ice, and they’ve been in ice all these years.
But I think... MMS kills any flu that I’ve seen
so far, and it’s just a pathogen, and so it should be
able to kill that flu as well. So, the best way is to keep
a bottle of MMS on your shelf. [laughs]
BR: Yes. Is there anything you can say
about your own vision for the next few years? Because this
has been a staggering story. This started in Guyana, how many
JH: In 1997 in Guyana. So what’s
that? 10 years now.
BR: So in a decade it’s now a world-wide phenomenon.
BR: You see it on every discussion board, on every internet
forum, and people are talking about it. People are writing
to us about it. The alternative health community is abuzz with
this. What’s next? Where is this gonna go? What are your
JH: Well, I’d like to start in
Africa, and take one single country, and just cure all the
malaria in that one country. And we’ll get a lot of the
AIDS while we’re at it. Of course, AIDS is a much more
complex disease and much harder to handle than malaria. But
I think that we have some protocols, ways of using MMS, that
will probably work on AIDS. So far we’ve had good luck.
BR: What country do you have in mind?
JH: Well, I have the country of Malawi
in mind. It may not be that country, but that country would
be a good one because I’ve already talked to all of the... I
did talk to all of the people in the government there. They
were all very helpful. They all were happy to see me. They
were happy for me to be treating their people.
There was no governmental problems at all. Even, they had
a malaria department in the government, and that department
was happy to work with me. So I’d like to go somewhere
like... I’d like to go there just because it would
be easy to get things going without a lot of getting permission
and problems. That would be the main thing.
BR: Is there any possibility that you could get scientific
studies written up in the scientific journals?
JH: Yes, there’s a possibility,
but I’ve discouraged that. I’ve had chances. People
have asked me if I wanted to do that.
And I have discouraged it because we have been a grassroots
movement from the very beginning. We’ve been very successful
in being a grassroots movement. And when I say “grassroots,” I
mean below the government’s radar. They haven’t
been aware of us.
And I had one of my friends check with the FDA the other day.
He went in and he went to the third man in control in the FDA
and asked him about MMS. What did they think about it?
And the guy said: Well, that’s just crap. He
said: We don’t worry about things like that. He
said: We have these multimillion-dollar corporations that
are furnishing herbs that are replacing some of the drugs.
And we have a lot of... we don’t have enough money
to control them. He says: Why are we gonna worry about
some little guy down there in the street selling MMS?
So, they aren’t aware of what MMS’ll do. They’re
not aware of what’s happening. And I want to leave it
that way. I don’t want the governments and the various
different drug companies finding out about it.
I’ve had chances to go on national newspapers, and one
or two chances to go on national TV, and I’ve always
rejected it -- although I’m happy to go on the internet,
and I’ve had a lot of different internet attention.
But I don’t want... I didn’t want to get
it spread out so much that the government’s gonna get
their hand in it. Because you know what they do; they stop
whatever they can. So I’ve been avoiding that. Eventually
it’s gonna come, though. Eventually we’re gonna
have to let... the news is gonna get out. But I’m
gonna wait as long as I can on that.
BR: And you’ve heard one or two stories of people
who come up against The-Powers-That-Be and suffer a little
bit for that, haven’t you?
JH: I’ve heard of a lot of stories.
One of my... A guy that I know pretty well was trying
to sell, was selling, a salve that affected cancer. It actually
is called the Indian Herb, and it’s been sold for 70
years, and the lady who sells it has like 3,000 letters from
people who’ve had cancer cured.
And he was selling this on the internet. And as soon as the
FDA heard about it, they come out, and they confiscated his
house, and his car, and his whole business, and his bank account.
They got everything.
And they put him in jail. And then they kept him from talking
to his lawyer by moving him from jail to jail, so that he couldn’t
get to talk to his lawyer. And then, after 6 months they finally
charged him. They moved him around for 6 months, then after
6 months they finally charged him and they...
And when he said: Not guilty, the judge said: Wait
a minute. Let’s go to my chambers. And so the
judge took him into his chambers and he said: You’ve
got a choice. He said: Either you plead guilty and
go to jail for three years, or I’ll make sure you go
to jail for 20 years.
And his lawyer wasn’t there, and he didn’t know
what to do, so he went ahead and pleaded guilty, went to jail
for three years. And he got out of jail a couple years ago
and now he’s down in South America. He don’t want
anything more to do with the U.S.
But... I had another friend that I know. He’s become
a friend because he knows what I’m doing. But he was
in Africa curing malaria and some people, representatives from
the drug companies, told him to stop. And he said he wasn’t
gonna stop. He was gonna continue to cure malaria.
And one night when he went home... Well, he didn’t
go home, he went to his hotel room, and he opened the door
and a bomb went off and it blew both of his legs off. Didn’t
kill him. He’s in California now. He’s in a wheelchair.
That’s just two of the people I know personally. Then
a lot of the older guys, like a guy named Koch back
in 1917, cured cancer. And his material was sold to many hundreds
of doctors, and more than 100,000 people were cured of cancer
before the FDA finally stopped him.
So. I can go on. There’s a lot of other stories about
the same thing. There’s Rife. Later on, in 1930s, Rife
cured another... His equipment and things cured another
100,000 people from cancer. And the FDA stopped him, burned
all of his books and all of his laboratory equipment and everything.
And the FDA has burned many books, has had the burning of
books many times. The DMSO book was ordered to be burned. And
it was burned. They burned all the DMSO books that they could
get their hands on.
And so, you gotta stay out of the hands of the drug companies.
And of course, the drug companies run the FDA.
In case you don’t know how that goes, the executives
from the drug companies take a sabbatical. They take a leave
from their drug company, and they go over and be the guy that
runs the FDA for a year. And then another drug company. And
so, the drug... the FDA in the United States is run by
the drug companies. And [laughs] it’s ridiculous.
And they have stopped every case, everything that cures cancer.
And they convince the people, which it seems to be easy to
convince, they convince the people that these people who actually
have cancer cures are charlatans and bad guys, and they convince...
And so, you know, I’ve had three or four friends who
died of cancer and they said: Well, I’m not gonna
go to those quacks. And actually the medical people are
the real quacks. They’re the ones that’s
killing everybody. And so it’s... That’s the
way it exists right now. It’s kind of a shame
BR: Have you had any threats against you from anybody,
or are you under the radar?
JH: I’m still under the radar.
I haven’t had any threats. But I live in Mexico, just
in case. [laughs] I’m paranoid, so I keep out of the
radar, and I don’t think that...
I think I probably have another year or two before the FDA
says: Uh oh, this stuff is starting to reduce the income
of the drug companies. And that’s what’s going
to really do the thing. When the money starts decreasing, when
it looks like that the MMS is starting to replace some of the
drugs, then that’s what’s going to really make ’em
BR: So your goal is to get as much out there as fast
as possible before they...
JH: That’s right.
Get as much out. Get as many people using it as possible, so
you know, my book tells how to make it. And it even tells how
to manufacture it in your kitchen, so that you can buy the
book and set up to manufacture it and furnish it to your neighbors
or furnish it to your family, or whatever.
BR: OK. And what you’re saying is... In your
book you’ve actually got instructions about how to be
completely self-sufficient as far as MMS, if you want to do
JH: That’s right. A step-by-step
procedure to make a few bottles for yourself, and a step-by-step
procedure to make hundreds or thousands of bottles to be sold.
BR: And for anyone who’s thinking of buying some,
it goes a very long way. We’re just talking about a few
little drops at a time. Right?
JH: That’s right. A $20 bottle
will last you, personally... Say, if you want to take
a maintenance dose every day, a $20 bottle will last you about
a year and a half. And if you’re gonna use it for your
whole family, it’ll probably last for 3, 4, 5 months.
And the idea... and everybody has been really good at
it... I ask everybody... I don’t sell it myself,
except I’m starting to in Mexico, but for the last 10
years I haven’t sold it myself. I give bottles away,
but mostly I encourage other people to sell it. And everybody
kept the price down.
I said: Look, we want to keep the price down so anybody
in the world can afford it. And they all, so far, are
humanitarian-type people, and they’re all manufacturing
and selling it for the same price, which is $20 a bottle.
I don’t care whether it’s in Germany, or South
Africa, or Australia, or the United States, or Mexico. It’s
$20 a bottle.
And that’s less than a penny a dose. You can cure a
case of malaria for 5 cents. And even the people in Africa
can afford that. Now, when we go there, we ain’t gonna
charge ’em that much. We’re gonna do it for free
at first, but they could afford it if they had to.
BR: What’s your spiritual and philosophical backdrop
that’s taken you through all these extraordinary years?
JH: Well, I like to believe that I’m
a highly spiritual guy, but not religious.
BR: I appreciate the difference.
JH: OK. All right. And so, I believe
that the more spiritual a person is, and the more he looks
into doing things that he knows is right to do, the more power
he has. And I believe that in the whole movement towards a
better health movement, or a better movement towards making
people well who are sick -- which is totally against what the
medical people are doing nowadays -- but I believe that the
more people work towards right things, the more power they
Because, if they’re really doing what they know is right,
they aren’t going to have any guilt. They aren’t... Buried
in everybody’s mind somewhere, if he’s doing wrong,
if he’s fleecing people of their money, if he’s
causing people to die, somewhere deep inside there he knows
that he’s doing wrong. And if knows that, he loses more
power as time goes on.
And I think that that’s happening on Earth today --
now. I think that as those drug companies cause more and more
deaths, and as the FDA causes more and more deaths in more
and more people, that they are slowly losing their power. And
not nearly as fast as we’d like, but they are losing
And I think that the alternate medicine movement is slowly
gaining power, and the people in it are becoming more powerful.
And it’s happening to me. What’s happening to me,
to a certain extent, is, people are showing up to talk to me
about powerful things.
BR: Mm hm.
JH: And I’m not free to discuss
most of ’em. But I think that we are on the edge of a
paradigm-change in the healing industry. And I think that that
paradigm-change will happen in the next very few years. It
won’t be a long time.
And that will help us into a paradigm-change in the brutality
of man against man. And I don’t know how long that change’ll
take. That change may take 50 to a couple of hundred years,
but it’s changing. And it never has changed.
For hundreds of thousands of years, there has been no change
in the brutality of man against man. I mean, they talk about
Jesus, and they talk about Mohammed, and they talk about all
of these wonderful people that have come before. And there
are hundreds of them, really. And they’ve all taught
love, and they’ve all talked about these wonderful things.
And there’s been NO change in the paradigm of brutality
And I think that those of us, now, are beginning to come together
in communication -- not necessarily gathering in one place,
but in communication.
People are talking to me from all over the world. And other
people, like this group here, that we’re having a congress
here about alternate medicine, and that sort of thing. And
I just was to another congress in Mexico City. And congresses
are happening all over. And they’re talking about alternate
medicine. And these things weren’t happening 20 years
ago. Very few of ’em was happening even 10 years ago.
But, believe me, we’re going into a paradigm shift.
It’s coming slowly, but it’s gonna happen. And
it’s gonna happen because there are a lot of people on
Earth now that are beginning to do what they know is right.
BR: I would say that this shift has started. We’re
starting to see it in our own lifetime, and we’re very
privileged to be here at this time.
JH: That’s right. Yeah. I feel
exactly the same way. And I think that... And to carry
it a little bit further than that, I think that in the past,
many millions of years or thousands of years, that many of
us... that there was a group of us who agreed to be here
and to work on this particular paradigm shift.
BR: And I’m one of those, too! [laughter]
JH: See? And so, I’m meeting
a lot of them. I mean, you’re not just... A lot
of people are calling me on the phone and saying: Hey,
I remember when we agreed to be here. You know? And things
JH: Right. And so we’re doing
what we know is right. And we’re so much more powerful
than those guys out there that are screwing people over, and
causing deaths, and causing suffering and pain, and all that.
They don’t have a chance. They’ve lost. They just
don’t know it. [laughs] And it’s gonna take a while
to get the point across to them, but it’s gonna be. It’s
So that’s the part of it I like to mention because I
watched the suffering and the pain for so long that I like
to see... I see it happening. I’ve seen
the thousands of miracles in the past few years. And I know
we’re gonna see a lot more.
BR: I think you’re absolutely right. And you’re
right at the vanguard of the shift. You’re part of the
movement that’s actually making this happen. You’re
exactly in the right place at the right time.
JH: Well, thank you. [laughs]
BR: You’re a great man, sir. You’re a very
brave man for coming out to do this stuff so openly. Even if
you are underneath the radar, there are tens of thousands of
people who will be watching this video and who will be paying
very close attention to what you’re saying. You’ll
be saving a lot of lives. And I take my hat off to you, sir.
[laughter] It’s been a great privilege.
JH: Well, thank you. Certainly it’s
my privilege to be here and to have you say such wonderful
BR: Thank you, Jim Humble.
JH: You’re welcome. [background
applause] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
BR: And I meant what I said.
JH: Great. I appreciate it.
BR: I’d love to see you again next year when maybe
you can say a little more.
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