Close Encounters and other stories
Maxwell (JM): In 1990, I was speaking at a UFO conference
over in Palm Springs, California. I was speaking at a conference
there and this guy I noticed was dressed typical, like a hippie. He
had the psychedelic shirt on and thongs. He had long hair, all the
way down his back, blonde, and was very soft-spoken, and he presented
himself as just a hippie. But I knew instinctively he was not because
his mannerisms spoke of culture, money. His whole mannerism; he is
not who he is portraying himself to be.
so, he came over to me and he said, ‘Jordan, I’d like to invite
you, take you to dinner across the street. I want to talk with you.’
I thought this interesting, whoever this guy is. He looked to be
about maybe 30, 35, and he said, ‘I want to talk with you. I have
something to tell you. So, would you go to dinner with me?’ I said,
go across the street. It was in Palm Springs during the summer. It
was very warm at night. We went to a Mexican restaurant, sat outside.
It was a beautiful night.
he said ‘I have something to tell you. It’s not going to happen
right now. It’s going to happen later on in your life so you don’t
have to worry about it now. But one day you’re going to have two
men come to you and they’re going to ask you to go with them to a
very important city on the East Coast. And they will not threaten
you. There will not be any threats but they’re going to ask you to
come with them and they are going to bring you to a very important
place back East, where very powerful people are.
the reason why they’re coming for you is they have a business
proposition they want to make with you. They got a business
proposition and they want to talk with you about it.’
he said, ‘You can agree to go with them because they will not harm
you.’ And he said, ‘They’re just businessmen.’ And he said,
‘But when you go, the building you will go into has …’
can’t remember if he said 12 or 13, I think he said 13 steps. Maybe
it was 12. Anyway, he said, ‘But, there will be beautiful marble
steps, there are going to be 12 of them. When you’re walking up
those marble steps, you’ll remember I told you that this was going
to happen. And the two guys will be bringing you to meet a very
he said, ‘The proposition is going to be simply this; that if you
can do your work and leave certain subjects alone, do whatever you
want, talk about anything you want on all of this, the religion, and
philosophies and all this stuff, do whatever you want here, but leave
these subjects alone. Forget them. Don’t even talk about them.
Then, if you can agree to that, they will then …’ he said to me,
‘They will make you their golden boy. You will be on magazine
covers, you will be in newspapers, they will promote you in movies
and you will be living very good. And they will protect you and
promote you and you’ll have a very good life.’
so I said, ‘Suppose I decide I don’t want the deal?’
said, ‘They’re not going to threaten you, it’s just a business
deal. And what they will say to you, what this man will say to you, Well,
then we will have to
you to be our enemy and we will have to act accordingly.’
he said, then, and they made a very big point of this, he said, ‘They
will tell you that you don’t need to make a decision now. You tell
them how long you want before giving them a decision. If it’s six
days, six weeks, six months, it doesn’t matter to them. They don’t
care. You tell them how long you want to think about it and whatever
you tell them, they will accept. But when the day comes that you set,
you have to give them an answer. Are you with us or against us?’
he said, ‘That day you have to give them an answer because they are
very serious. They can make you or break you.’
I asked him, ‘Why are you telling me this?’
he said, ‘Because it’s going to happen. It will happen. Not for a
long time but one day it will happen, so I think it is better that
you start thinking about this, because it’s going to be serious.
You’re going to be facing some very powerful people and they’re
not playing games. So you better start thinking about it.’
I said to him, ‘Well, what should my answer be?’
said, ‘Oh, no, I can’t do that. That’s up to you. That’s your
call.’ And he said, ‘All I will tell you is this, that whatever
your decision you will make, will affect you when you die. That I
will tell you. If you make the wrong decision, when you die you’re
going to pay for it on the other side. They’re going to be waiting
the implication was, I got from it, if you want to live good now, go
with the flow. But when you die, you’ve got a spiritual price you
have to pay because you, you know, you sold out, kind of thing. He
didn’t say that but that’s what I gathered. That whoever your
spiritual companions are in the universe sent you here not to sell
so, he said, ‘So, just think about it. They’ll come one day.
so he used to show up every now and then he would show up at lectures
of mine and I would see him. He called himself Cosmos.
I said, ‘What is your real name?’
said, ‘Not important, just call me Cosmos.’
was always very, very kind, very courteous, very generous with me.
And he would pop up all the time, any time I would speak in San
Francisco he would pop up.
one day, quite a few years ago, I was in San Francisco giving a
lecture, and a lady was buying a tape or book from me at my table,
and the book fell on the floor. I couldn’t go around the table and
pick it up for her but Cosmos was standing next to her. So he leaned
down to pick it up for her, and when he did, a medallion fell out of
his hippie shirt and the moment I saw it I knew what it was.
was a brilliantly designed double-headed eagle, Masonic double-headed
eagle, with a triangle of a red, probably a ruby. It was about that
size [indicating about 2”] It had a triangle ruby with ‘33’
embedded on it, cut on the ruby and it was sitting on top of the
double-headed eagle of Free Masonry.
when I saw that, for the first time I reached out and grabbed it
because it was on a long chain, and I said, ‘Thirty-third degree
Mason?’ And he said, ‘No. Council of 33.’ Meaning he’s not
just a 33rd degree Mason, he’s on the Council of
33. And Washington, D.C. there are 33 men that run world Masonry.
And... It’s called The Council of 33 and he’s on it.
I said to him, ‘Cosmos, were you a 33rd degree when you
talked with me a few years ago in Palm Springs?’
I said, ‘I don’t understand what’s going on here.’
he said to me, ‘Jordan, you go all around the world talking about
political leaders, talking about the Queen of England, you bad mouth
the Pope, you bad mouth people, you know, you’re jumping on
everybody and doing what you’re doing. Has anyone ever harmed you?’
anybody tried to arrest you, or to frighten you, or do anything to
he said, “Have you ever wondered why?’
I said, ‘I’ve never thought about it.’
said, ‘No one has harmed you because of us. We are protecting you.
We follow you everywhere you go. We know what you’re doing and
we’re protecting you. The Council of 33 is protecting you.’
I said, ‘I really don’t understand this.’
he said, ‘You don’t need to. All you need to know is that we are
protecting you. We know exactly who you are and what you’re doing,
and where you go. And no one’s going to harm you. That is the task
we have been given, to protect you.’
thought, Wow. And then Dr. Sheyers
[laughs] … it’s my Masonic papers later on. That hasn’t happened,
what he said, hasn’t happened, yet. So I wouldn’t be a bit
surprised if it does maybe in the future, if things really start to
get big, you know, and more people hearing and it gets to be big,
somewhere along the line …
I had an FBI agent back in the late 1990s, an FBI agent called me
from San Diego. I was in Los Angeles, and this guy called me from San
Diego and he gave me his name, Special Agent Somebody from San Diego.
And I said, ‘Just hold on, I’ll call you back,’ and I hung up.
I called Information in San Diego and I got the FBIs phone number. I
called that number and I asked for him, and he comes on the phone. So
now I know, he is FBI.
I said, ‘Okay, now talk to me.’
he said, ‘I’m calling you as a social call. It’s not business.
I just want you to know that the people who work in the FBI, the
working class people, we know who you are and what you’re doing.
And we like what you’re doing. We don’t have any problem with
what you’re doing. Many of the people in the FBI like what you’re
saying. And right now, I just want to let you know your government
does not see you as a threat. They don’t care what you’re talking
about the Pope, and religion. They don’t care about that. And they
don’t really see you as a threat because you’re not talking about
arms and overthrowing the government. So they don’t see you as a
threat at all.
he said, ‘The reason why they don’t see you as a threat is
because they know people are hearing you, but nobody is listening.
But when people begin to listen to you, now we’re going to have to
look at you again, because now you could be politically dangerous. So
as long as we see people are just hearing you like they hear
everybody else, it’s fine. But if we see people starting to listen
to you, then we’ll have to take another look at you.’
he said, ‘Right now I want to tell you one thing for sure: we in
the FBI and your government does not see you as a threat. But if ever
you’re going to seriously be in trouble, let me tell you who your
enemy will be. It’s going to be the church. It’s most likely
going to be the Catholic church. But it’s going to be the church.
Christian church will be your enemy, because the Christian church is
the biggest organized criminal syndicate in the world, and we know
it. The people who are actually running Christianity, both Protestant
and Catholic, behind the scenes, are the world’s best
criminals, and we know that.’
he says, ‘When you’re messing with the church, you’re messing
with underworld criminal syndicates. Money, politics, sex, drugs, the
whole thing; they’re running it and we know that. So your
government doesn’t see you as a threat but you keep messing around
with the church and the Pope, they’re going to see you as a
have a young friend who was double-dating with another guy and he
called me after, a couple days later. He said, ‘Yeah, I went out a
couple nights ago with my girlfriend and we double-dated with another
couple.’ And he said this other guy was a Mossad agent. And he
said, ‘So at dinner I asked him if he knew anything about you. And
he said: Yeah, Israel knows all about Jordan Maxwell. We’re
painfully well aware of him. Yes. However, there is nothing we can do
about him because he doesn’t suggest taking up arms, guns, nothing.
He’s only talking so there’s not much you can do about him.
Israel feels that he could be a very serious threat to Israel if he
undermines our religion. If he undermines the Jewish religion, that
will reflect on Israel politically, and the Middle East. And that
would be very dangerous, so we’re watching him but there’s not
much we can do about him right now because he’s not suggesting
overthrow of governments or anything so …’
just think all those incidents are interesting.
JM: I was speaking in a conference in Pasadena, mid ‘90s, and there
was like 600 people in the audience, it was a very big conference at a
big hotel, in Pasadena. And I was a keynote speaker on Saturday
morning and I spoke for two hours.
a week before the conference, Norio Hayakawa, who Bill probably
knows, Norio Hayakawa and Gary Schultz were putting it on. The name
of it was called Need to Know seminar. And Norio
Hayakawa and Gary Schultz put on the
shows, I mean, it was sensational. It was really an interesting
event. They had great speakers and it was a great event.
Norio and Gary called me about a week before the event and said,
‘We’re going to go over to the hotel just to look around. You
want to go with us?’ I said, ‘Yeah, sure.’ So we go over to the
Norio says to me, ‘Well, what kind of a presentation are you going
to do and what do you need? Do you need a chalk board or a slide
projector, or what?’
I said, ‘No, I’m not doing any of that.’ I said, ‘Just get me
a table, a long table so I can lay all the paperwork out, and I want
to be like a teacher, just the chair and the table on the stage and I
just want to talk to the audience.’
so Norio said, ‘Well, I’ll tell you what we’ll do: we’ll put
a video camera behind you, have a guy on barstool sit behind you,
and right here [indicates back over his left shoulder] so that when
you pick up a document, they can zoom in on it and everyone can see
it in the ballroom.’
it will be closed-circuit television. So it worked out good. I did two
hours that morning, had a great time and it worked perfect. And so
the guy was sitting right behind me with the camera right here.
afterwards, toward the end of the evening when we were getting ready
to leave, the guy, the cameraman said, ‘Jordan, my wife and I would
like to have you come over and have dinner with us tonight. We live
right here in Pasadena.’ I said, ‘Sure.’
so, he and I are sitting in the front room, his wife’s in the
kitchen fixing dinner, and we’re just sitting and talking about
stuff and, after a little while, she comes out from the kitchen and
says to him, she says, ‘Have you told him yet?’ And he said, ‘No,
I didn’t tell him yet. I wasn’t going to tell him until after
I said, ‘Tell me what?’
he said, ‘Well, I might as well tell you now.’ He said, ‘I’ve
told this story to so many people and my wife has heard it so many
times, but now I’ll tell you.’
said, ‘When I was like 15 years old, I was back East, on the East
Coast,’ and he said, ‘I was thumbing my way north to go stay with
my cousin for the summer vacation. And I was out on the road,
thumbing my way and an old man in a pick-up truck, and he was very
old, and,’ he said, ‘the pick-up truck was as old as he was, and it
smelled terrible because he had been smoking cigarettes, cigars,
pipes, anything that would burn, he had been smoking.’
he said it was an old man, a dirty pick-up truck and it smelled
terrible. And he said, ‘But the moment I got in the truck that old
man started telling me every single thing about my life. He knew all
about my life, my mother’s life, my father. He knew, there was
nothing about my life and my family he did not know, and he was
right, exactly on. He told me about my girlfriend, about my dad’s
business, about my mother and who she was before she got married.’
He said, ‘There was nothing he didn’t know. I was just amazed
listening to this old man.’
he said, ‘And when he let me out, he said: Everything I have been
telling you was to get your attention and entertain you. Now, I’m
going to tell you something important. After you’re 50 years old,
you’re going to be on the West Coast of this country, after 50, and
one morning you’re going to be on a stage with a man sitting at a
table with a bunch of papers, and he’s going to be speaking to a
very large audience. And you’re going to be sitting behind him with
a camera, but that camera doesn’t exist now, but it will then.
you’re going to have a special kind of camera, and that camera will
allow him to... you will have the camera right on his shoulder, and
when he picks the paper up, that camera will allow people in the
audience to see what he’s talking about. But that kind of camera
doesn’t exist now, but it will then.
when you find yourself on the stage with that man sitting at the
table talking to the audience, you tell him I put him there. He’s
not there by chance, I
put him there. So that he doesn’t think it was his idea. You tell
him that I told you, that you would be behind him with a camera and
he’s going to be sitting at a table with papers and I put him
there, so that he will know nothing he does is by
chance. I put him
there. He does what I tell
him to do.’
he says, ‘I’ve told everybody I’ve heard this story for years,
people I’ve told, but it wasn’t until this morning when I’m
sitting there on the damned stage with you and the camera,’ and he
said, ‘and I was so busy getting things set up I wasn’t thinking
about it until you started talking, and it hit me.’
he said, ‘I looked in the audience at my wife, and she nodded her
head, Yup, this is him.’ And he said, ‘I was shocked. I’ve
just turned 50 years old. I’m sitting on the stage with a camera
behind you. And he said you would be sitting at a table with
the papers on a table, talking to the audience.’
he said, ‘So I have to tell you, that I was told like 35 years ago
or whatever it was, that I would be sitting with you this morning and
that you would be sitting at that table doing what you’re doing.
And he told me to tell you that that wasn’t your idea. So, you can
think that was your idea but he told me a long time ago what you were
going to be doing this morning.’
I thought, Wow, man.
I was visibly shaken, emotionally shaken, and tears came to my eyes.
I got up and left. I walked out. He was upstairs. I remember, walking
down at night and I took a long walk. And he came out to walk with
me. And there were tears in my eyes because I was scared. That was
frightening to me.
I said, ‘I don’t understand.’
he said, ‘I don’t either. I’m just telling you what the old man
said. I don’t know how to explain it either. But he told me that
you were going to be doing what you were doing and I would be sitting
behind you with a camera. And when that happened, he told me to tell
you that it wasn’t your idea. He put you there this morning.’
I thought, wow, what a trip.
Ryan (BR): And clearly, that old man wasn’t just an old
BR: And it fits exactly with the story of the girl’s father when you
BR: He really wasn’t just the girl’s father. He was something
BR: And I’m just guessing here but maybe they were just taking
that form for the purposes of leaving a message. And in both cases
that message seemed to be something that indicated that they knew
exactly what you would be doing at a particular time or phase in your
life in years to come, which was all part of some orchestrated plan.
it would seem to be a benevolent orchestrated plan …
JM: Yes, yes. Yeah, because I don’t feel fearful and I don’t
feel frightened, but my gut feeling is, and I totally feel this for
sure, that there is a very powerful unseen force of good, of
protection, that has the oversight and the ultimate power, and it’s
watching all of this chaos, etcetera, going on on the earth, but it
is above it. And it can call the shots and at any moment, step in and
intervene in mankind’s affairs.
it’s as if, like a father watching the kids play. Well, the kids
are doing things wrong, and this kid’s doing something wrong, too, in
there, and they’re all doing bad things, but he’s watching. And
when he decides to step in, he’ll step in. And everybody’s going
to know it.
right now he’s letting you go and play your games, do whatever
you’re doing. But I’m watching you, I know what you’re
doing. And so, I get the same …
BR: My interpretation would be a little different, and I just
inject this here, just this, as an interesting suggestion. It’s
more like a referee or an umpire in a ball game who’s keeping
things fair, so that the key participants have got a good
chance in the game without being overwhelmed in such a way that …
JM: I like that, yeah, I like that. I think you’re right. That
kind of sounds right. Making sure that the thing is balanced.
BR: Because I don’t believe that the outcome is certain, or fixed, at
all, but I like to think, as you know, we’ve talked about this
BR: … that you and I, and tens of thousands of others are here,
and we wouldn’t have showed up here in this lifetime if this game
was fixed and the whole thing was going to be predetermined to some
sorry ending. I don’t believe that at all, I think that we are in
with the chance in this game, I think that’s why we are here,
because it is fun. And every now and then what intervention there is
is something that keeps that game balanced in such a way that we get
a chance to exercise our own responsibility for a good outcome if
we’re smart enough. And that’s my personal take on that, what’s
JM: And you and I have discussed this back and forth, but I totally
agree with you. Yeah, I think you’re right. That there’s some
higher force... Well, I know there’s a higher force, I know that
there’s a higher matrix of power, that I know. And I know it’s
protecting me and others. And I know it has its own agenda. These
things I already know for sure.
BR: Tell the story – it’s a long story but it’s an absolutely
wonderful, staggering story – about the experience that you had
JM: Oh, Paul Tice and …
BR: With Paul and …
JM: Ivy, yeah.
BR: … Ivy, out in the Nevada desert, near Area 51, Rachel, Nevada, the
Little A’Le’Inn in the desert.
BR: Do tell that story so that we can …
JM: I had a friend, a Mexican friend who worked at General Motors. He
was upper management at General Motors in Los Angeles, and he was
getting married. He lived in Palmdale which is about 50 miles north
of Los Angeles.
so he was getting married and so he wanted me to be the best man at
his wedding. So the idea was that Saturday morning, he would get
married that night, Saturday morning I was driving up to stay with
him while they were getting ready for the wedding that night.
I went out to stay with my friend and… while the girl and her
mother and the girlfriends were out shopping and whatever. So the
girls went out to the market. And they came back from the market and
there was an old guy in an old beat-up car following them. And when
they got out of the car, he gets out of the car and follows them up
to the house.
Carlos and I are sitting now looking out at this old guy coming and
he says, ‘Who is this?’
so when she comes in, she said, ‘This man met us in the market and
he said: I know that you’re getting married tonight and the
best man at your wedding is at your home and I need to talk to him.’
she said, ‘How do you know I’m getting married?’
he said, ‘I already know who you are. I know you’re getting
married, but the best man at your wedding is at your home and I need
to talk to him.’
she said, you know, she obviously didn’t see him as a threat.
I said to him, ‘Well, that’s me. So talk to me.’
says, ‘I’ve been told to tell you something. That a year and a
half from now, a year and a half from now you’re going to have an
extraordinary encounter with your friends from out there [Jordan
points upwards]. They sent me to tell you that. And the event is
going to happen way out in the desert.’
I said, ‘Well, sometimes I go out into the desert here, in
California and look for UFOs.’
he said, ‘No, no, no. This is not going to be in California, it’s
going to be east of here. And it’s going to be way out in the
desert. You’re going to be way out in the desert. And they will
pick the time and the place, not you. But it’s going to be a year
and a half from now.
they’re telling me to tell you that you’re going to be driving
the car, and that you will have a woman in the front seat and a man
in the back seat. And they will see to it that you have a woman in
the front and a man in the back. And the reason why is because they
want both a woman and a man to be a witness to what’s going to
happen. But the event is for you, not for them, but they [Jordan
points upwards] want two witnesses, but they want a woman and a man
to be a witness. But it’s for you. Your friends are going to show
themselves to you. Year and a half.’
that’s it. And he left.
a year and a half later I was speaking in Mesquite, Nevada, at a big
UFO conference for Bob Brown. And that was in Mesquite which is like
65 miles northeast of Las Vegas. And I had brought with me my lady
friend from Hawaii who was a talk-show host from Hawaii, Ivy West.
And my publisher friend who was living in San Diego, where I was at
the time, too, my publisher friend Paul Tice … So Paul was in the
back seat and Ivy was in the front seat. And I’m driving.
we’re coming back from Mesquite, Sunday morning, early, and just as
we’re getting into Las Vegas I said, out of nowhere I said, ‘Have
either one of you ever been to Area 51?’
I had been given an invitation to go to the Little A’Le’Inn, by
Joe and Pat Travis who own the Little A’Le’Inn because they used
to hear me on my show. I used to do a radio show, a late-night
talk-show in Las Vegas, and so they would hear me. So they used to call
and say, ‘Come up as our guest, come up and visit.’ And so I
so we decided, okay, we’ll go. So I called them and they said, ‘Yeah,
come on up.’
on the way up, it’s 135 miles north of Las Vegas in the high desert
of Nevada. It’s a little Mickey Mouse, and I do mean small, little
establishment out there in the middle of nowhere, and it’s actually
just a big bar, restaurant bar, and then there’s about six or eight
mobile homes which are rented out like rooms, like a motel, but
they’re little mobile homes, they rent them out like a motel. And
then there’s a Mom-and-Pop grocery store and a little service
station and that’s it. It’s called Rachel, Nevada.
of course, about a mile or so to the mountain, on the other side of
the mountain, there’s the military base, Nellis Air Force test
range. And very highly secret stuff going on out there.
anyway, we’re driving up, and so I told Ivy and Paul about the
prophecy. I said, ‘Here it is, at exactly a year and a half later,
and he said I’d be driving, a woman in the front seat and a man in
the back.’ So I said, ‘Don’t be surprised if, you know,
something happens to us. I don’t know.’
I’m glad I told them before it happened.
we get up there and that night we were sitting around at the bar
talking and so, when they were getting ready to close, I asked Joe
and Pat, the owners, I said, ‘Where do we go to see UFOs?’ Because
it’s a very famous place there, Area 51, for UFOs.
Joe said, Joe with his cold humor, he said, ‘You don’t have to go
anywhere. They saw you. Just sit down here in the car, they’ll find
you if they want you.’
so Pat said, ‘Well, if you want to go where all the tourists go, go
back out on the highway.’ And this is a highway out in the middle of
nowhere, this little Mickey Mouse place out there.
so she said, ‘Go back out on the highway and go back toward Vegas
exactly 19 miles. Put it on your speedometer, exactly 19 miles.
Because at the 19 mile marker, you will see a big mailbox and a big
parking area and a road. Park at the mailbox. And one of the flight
paths is over the mountain right there so anything coming in or going
out is going to go over your head. So, if you’re gonna see
something, most likely that’s where it will be. So, go back to the
we get in the car. I’m driving, a woman in the front seat and a man
in the back. And I get out on the highway and instead of turning
right, which she just said, to go south, I turn north, I turn left
and go north. Ivy didn’t catch it, and Paul didn’t catch it.
We’re just talking, talking, and we didn’t realize we’re going
the wrong way.
we slowed down... now it’s about, it was like 11:30, 12 o’clock
when we left. When we got out to the 19 mile, we’re slowing down
and then Ivy says, ‘Wait a minute, we’re going north. She said,
I said, ‘Alright well, why don’t we just turn around and go back.
We got the room for the night, and we’ll go back out tomorrow night
and do it right.’
she said, ‘Okay, so we’ll stop.’
now it’s like midnight, and it was totally overcast. There was...
you couldn’t see nothing. Totally overcast. And it was like
midnight, and it’s 20 miles north of Little A’Le’Inn, which is
135 miles to start with. Now it’s 155 miles out in the middle of
I pulled the car to a stop, and where I stopped there was a wide dirt
road going off into the desert. It was a well kept dirt road.
Ivy said, ‘Let’s go out in the desert, let’s drive out there.’
I said, ‘Ivy, you’re in the desert. You’re not going to see
anything out there that you wouldn’t see here. And tonight you’re
not going to see nothing anyway because it’s totally overcast. I
don’t want to go out in the desert.’
Ivy insisted, and Paul, you know, jumped in and said, ‘Let’s go
out in the desert a little bit.’
I said, ‘Why?’
out in the desert.’
I drive out in the desert, I’m driving out, I go out two, three
blocks, and all of sudden I got this overwhelming feeling that we had
done something wrong and I was legitimately scared that we had done
I said, ‘Ivy, I’m getting out of here. I don’t know what it
didn’t see any sign that said Stay Out, no, nothing like
that. I just felt something was wrong. I stopped the car. I backed it
up, and just before I took off, Ivy and Paul jumped on me and said,
‘Just stop the car. There are no signs, there are no bases or
anything. Just stop the car and we’ll get out for a minute.’
said, ‘Ivy, something is wrong and I’m feeling it. I want to get
out of here. I’m serious.’
said, ‘Stop the car. We’ll get out for a minute.’
I turned the key off. We get out, and when you shut the door and the
lights are off, there’s no stars, no moon, it’s totally overcast,
it’s pitch black. No light. Period. And you had to hold onto the
can hear voices but you can’t see anything. And that’s a
spooky feeling. I’ve never had that experience before.
in the total darkness, any light you see immediately.
couldn’t have been out of the car 30 seconds, not even 30 seconds,
and all of a sudden the cloud opened up, like, a little bit of an
oval opened up. And you could see stars. Well, the moment it opened
up, we all three saw it because there’s no light, any light you see
Ivy said, ‘Look, the clouds are opening.’
when she said that, two bluish white discs, disc-shaped things,
glowing bluish white, were absolutely gorgeous, beautiful. They came
in when the clouds opened up, but when they came in they didn’t fly
in, they kind of floated. They just floated in, and they floated
close to the cloud above them so that the light was reflecting on the
cloud above them, bluish white. And they were glowing bluish white.
as they came in, two of them, beautiful saucer-shaped things, very
slow, and while we’re watching, five more came in behind them. Now
there’s seven bluish white discs and they come over us. All of a
sudden it stop[ped].
I was absolutely frightened. I’d never seen anything as beautiful and
awesome and other-worldly than five glowing bluish white disc-shaped
things stop over you. And instantly they change [Jordan switches his
hands in the air], in a quarter of a second, boom, they all changed
thought, God, how’d they do that? And then all of a sudden:
boom, boom, boom, they changed again, and locked. And I was shook. I
know what the G-force for moving something that quickly... I mean,
like ‘that’ [Jordan quickly switching his hands in the air] and
it was locked and stayed in place.
I said to Ivy, ‘Ivy, I’m getting out of here. I don’t know what
this is. I don’t want to know. I’m scared and I want to get out
I got in the car, I cranked it up. And Ivy and Paul loved it. They
said, “God, look what they’re doing, how beautiful they are.
Seven of them.’
I said, ‘Get in the car. You’re going to walk home. I’m
they got in the car because they knew I was serious. They rolled the
window down, and looked out as I flipped on the lights and took off.
And when I flipped on the lights and took off, Ivy and Paul went
totally berserk. Now they’re both frightened, and Ivy and Paul are
screaming and crying and yelling. Now she’s really frightened. Now,
she’s scared. Me? I was already scared. But now I’ve got a woman
in the front seat who is going ballistic on me and I’m already
I’m screaming at her to shut up, and I’m driving fast, I’m
speeding toward the highway. And all I could think of was, I don’t
want to overshoot the highway. No, I go out on the other side and
crash the car.
she’s yelling and screaming and so is Paul. And I stopped the car
quickly, and it was very quick. Maybe two seconds. I just stopped the
car and opened up to see what they were screaming about, and those
things were right down on us, big. Still bluish white, but very big.
Moving all around.
was frightened to death and I shot to the highway, and as soon as I
could see the highway coming up, I knew I was going too fast so I hit
the brake and skidded all the way up to the highway. And as I came
out onto the highway, the car skidded sideways. And the moment we hit
the highway, all three of us felt totally safe again. All three of us
felt it, we’re all right now, you know, on the highway.
saucers, all seven of them, had gone back out into the desert. And,
I can’t remember exactly how they disappeared but something to...
I’m just trying to remember... they went back out in the desert...
Because I was so frightened, and I was with them, and the car lights
were on and we got out of the car, we stood there talking to each
other, and they had gone back out into the desert and gone ‘flicht.’
They’re gone. That’s it.
my heart was pounding, and I was absolutely frightened. And there was
tears in my eyes, and I was legitimately frightened. I’ve never
not only were able to do things which I would say is unworldly, is
not possible to be done. Humans don’t have that kind of technology
that I saw, that we saw. And that scared me, because, first of all,
if it is human technology then we’re about a thousand years ahead
more than you think we are, if we could do this. And if it isn’t
us, then that means it’s somebody else and that’s even scarier.
Either way, we’re in trouble.
so, we stood out on the highway that night, and the emotions were
absolutely incredible. She was crying, she was laughing. Paul... we
were frightened. It was beautiful, it was awesome, it was scary, it
was horrible, it was wonderful. It was just everything. Just all...
just boiling emotions.
we were like children who had been frightened.
when we finally decided to go back, I’m driving back slow, I was
shaking. And we go back, we had already got a motel, we were staying
in one of the mobile homes. And when you go into the mobile home, you
go in from the middle of the thing, so you walk directly into the
mobile home that we were staying in, into the bathroom. And on both
sides of the bathroom are bedrooms. And one bedroom had two beds and
the other had one.
I’m not about to sleep by myself after this. And Ivy is a woman who
can take care of herself. If ever there was going to be a street
fight, I would like Ivy to be with me. [laughs]
so I said, ‘Ivy, why don’t you and I take this room and Paul can
have the other room.’
Paul’s by himself and I’ve got Ivy in my room.
so that night, for about a half hour or 40 minutes, we lay in bed
talking. I could hear him in the next room. And we’re talking about
what did we see tonight? What the hell was that all about? Was that
our technology or somebody else’s? Well, all three of us knew that
that was not human. What we saw tonight was not human.
the next morning when I got up, Ivy and Paul had already gotten up
and gone to the restaurant to have breakfast. And when I went over
there, they’re sitting at the table with a bunch of people around
talking to them, so I’m figuring they’re telling them what
happened to us last night. No.
and Paul were talking about the alien that came in the motel last
night. An alien came in the motel. I was sleeping. I slept through
it. And it happened to Paul, it was in his room. It came to him, not
me. Not to Ivy and me. It came in Paul’s room.
there’s a video out there, that Anthony Hilder video. Anthony was
up at Area 51 one time later on, a few years later, and Paul and I
happened to be up there also, and we were telling Anthony about it,
so he wanted to videotape the interview. And it’s called Alien
51. It’s a video put out by Anthony Hilder called Alien 51,
and in there is Paul Tice and myself at Area 51 telling the same
experience. So you’ll hear Paul tell it himself, what happened to
Paul did not want to talk about it because it scared him. He was
alien came into Paul’s bedroom. Paul said he fell asleep, he was
sound asleep, and all of a sudden a light came on over his head and
woke him up. It was a light green light. And he said very light, it
wasn’t very bright at all, but just enough to wake him up. It was a
light green light, and he said he looked up and it was an alien’s
face with the big eyes as, you know, the normal alien-looking face,
but you could see through it. It was a hologram. You could see
through the face to the ceiling.
he said then the hologram went down the ceiling, and hit the
wall and came down until it was even with him sitting in bed. And the
alien was now even with him, telepathically, [and] asked Paul, ‘What
are you doing here? Who are you and what are you doing here?’
Paul says, ‘I could understand him well. I knew exactly what he had
asked. And I’m trying to think
the answer rather than speak the answer. I’m thinking the answer.’
he said, ‘When I started to answer him,’ he said [that] all of a
sudden that thing went through his memory track, ‘everything that
ever happened to me in my life, I saw in an instant. Everything. It
was able to download my psyche and my brain to see everything I’d
ever done. I knew I had no control over it, I was just seeing
everything in my life going by. And then this alien told me,
telepathically said, ‘You’re okay, you’re alright.’
he said, ‘Then it went through the wall.’ But the other thing, he
said, while it was talking to him, the room was moving. He said, ‘I
could see the door going past the alien, I could see the window going
past the alien, then the door coming back around. But in my mind I
was seeing the wall circulating but it was staying where it was and
he said, ‘When the alien told me, ‘You’re alright, you’re
okay,’ it backed out. It went backwards and went through the
Ivy said that she was laying on her left side, looking into his room,
and she said when she woke up, something woke her up and she saw this
glowing green color on his wall. And the moment she woke up and saw
that, she said a small, tiny pen light, red little light, came
through Paul’s room, it zipped in and came right over the top of
her. And she was paralyzed.
said, ‘I couldn’t move, I couldn’t scream, I couldn’t do
anything. I couldn’t move. This little red thing was sitting over
the top of me and I saw the light go, it went, that little red light
shot back out and followed it, it was gone. And so I got up and went
in there and sat with Paul. You were sound asleep.’ So she said,
‘Paul said this thing had told him: You’re okay, you’re
alright, and it left.’
so I’m listening to this and I said, ‘I didn’t see anything,’
and when I said that, Pat Travis, the owner of the restaurant, she’s
very knowledgeable about UFO stuff, and Pat said to me, ‘No,
no. They know who you are. They were just playing with your friends.
They’re just playing, sometimes they’ll do this with people just
to scare them. They were playing with your friends. But they know who
you are and they’re not playing with you.’
so I thought, wow, that means... you know, to have her say
something like that.
so... But that’s exactly what the old man had said.
a couple days later we left and I drove Ivy back to the airport in
LA, she went back to Hawaii, and Paul and I were living in San Diego
so we drove back. And I was working for a company called Truth Seeker
company in San Diego and Paul was my publisher. This all happened in
the first week of December of ‘94. December of ‘94 is when I had
this whole experience out there in the desert, with these seven UFOs
and the alien coming into Paul’s room.
so the late spring of ‘95 I was working in San Diego, as I said. I
rented a Chrysler convertible and I told no one where I was going and
I drove back up to Area 51 by myself. I didn’t tell Paul, told
nobody, [not] even the people I’m working with. I just took off and
went. And I rented a Chrysler convertible and I drove up there. And I
wanted to go back to where I’d had the experience, for some reason,
I just wanted to go back.
so I got there and that afternoon about 4:00 I drove out, north, 19
miles down the road, and drove back out on the same road. I wasn’t
going to stay out there when the sun goes down, when it gets dark. I
did want to go out there until the sun goes down, but when it gets
dark I’m not staying out there. [laughs]
I sat on the back of my car with my feet in the back seat, and I
talked with … with them. And I said, ‘Look, I know you’re here
and I know you can hear me. And I also know that you don’t wish to
harm me. And I know that. If you did, I wouldn’t be here. So, I
know that you don’t want to harm me. I want you to understand that
I’m willing to do whatever it is I’m supposed to do with my life.
If this is some kind of a spiritual experience I’m having, I want
you to know that I’m willing to do whatever I’m supposed to do.
I have two favors I wish to ask of you, two things I would ask you.
One, don’t take me anywhere. I don’t want to be abducted, I don’t
want to go anywhere. Just leave me alone. And two, don’t frighten
me in my bedroom. I don’t want to wake up and be frightened in my
bedroom. I’ve got a bad heart, been through too much, just leave me
alone and don’t take me anywhere.
me what I’m supposed to do, tell me what I’ve got to do and I’m
happy to do …
take me anywhere or frighten me in my bedroom.’
I said, ‘Thank you, good bye and good luck.’ And I got in my car,
turned around and went back and spent a couple of nights with Joe and
Pat. And then I drove back to San Diego and never told anyone.
three or four weeks later, Paul Tice calls me and says there’s a
young lady he heard about down on Coronado Island in San Diego –
Coronado, a little island off the coast, take a big bridge going over
to it – and he said that she’s a past life regressionist and he
said, ‘I heard she’s really great. Why don’t you make an
appointment with her and go see if she’s that good. And if she is,
then I’ll go.’
said, ‘No. If you want to see her, why don’t you make the
no,’ he said, ‘you’re much closer to her, you’re very close.
So you go see her.’
said, ‘Okay.’ So I made an appointment. Her name was Kirin,
K-I-R-I-N. Kirin was a beautiful, young girl, but mystical, about
her. And so I drove over, I made the appointment, and I go in.
so she has you take the watch off, your ring off and any metal. And
I’m lying on a table, like a massage table, and she’s lighting
candles around me and talking to someone. I thought maybe she was
talking to somebody in the kitchen or something. She’s talking and
lighting candles and I’m just laying there.
after a few minutes of her talking it finally occurred to me there’s
nobody in the house but her and I. And so I asked her, ‘Kirin, who
are you talking to?’
she said, ‘Oh, I’m sorry. I’m talking to your friends who
brought you here.’
I said, ‘What do you mean, brought me here, brought me to your
said, ‘No, no, no. Who brought you to the Earth. You’ve been
brought here to do something. They brought you here, and I’m
talking to your friends who brought you here.’
said, ‘Well, since you seem to be on good terms with my friends,
why don’t you ask them, what the hell am I doing here? Who are my
says, ‘You don’t know who brought you here?’
said, ‘No. Why would I be asking you? I don’t even know what
you’re talking about.’
said, ‘Well they’re saying they’re Pleiadians. I don’t know,
but that’s what they’re telling me. And they’re saying that
you’re from the Pleiades and they have brought you here to do
something, they have something for you to do.’
I said, ‘Wow. Well, while you’re talking to them, ask them what
is it [that] I’m supposed to be doing here.’
she said, ‘They’re telling me to tell you first of all,’ –
because she’s a past life regressionist – she said, ‘They’re
telling me to tell you, you don’t need a past life regression. You
need to get this life straight, don’t worry about your past ones.
Get this one right.’
then she said, ‘And they’re telling me that you are brought here
to be a channel. They’re going to channel messages through you, but
not for a long time yet. Not now. But ultimately that’s what
they’re going to do, is they’re going to use you as a channel.
And they’re going to put you into a position where you will be
heard by important people. And when that time comes, they will speak
through you. But they’re telling me to remind you: you are not an
ambassador, you are an emissary.
ambassador speaks for
the government he represents. You do not speak for
anyone. An emissary merely delivers a message. You’re not speaking for
they’re telling me to tell you to make sure you understand that. So
that you’re an emissary, not an ambassador. And you will be able to
just deliver the message, and the message will come from them through
you. But not now. There will come a time when you will be speaking
before important people, and the people who are supposed to know,
will know who you are. You don’t know, but they will know. And when
they’re listening to you, they will know who you really are.
they’re telling me to tell you: just get this one right.’
then she starts laughing and I said, ‘What are you laughing about?’
said, ‘They just told me something funny about you. They told me
about four or five weeks ago you rented a Chrysler convertible and
you drove up there, and went out on the same road that they saw you
on the last time, and you didn’t want to go out that night because
you were scared, but you went out in the afternoon. And you sat with
your feet in the back seat.’
I was thinking, I never told anyone this. She was exactly
she said, ‘And you sat with your feet in the back seat, and you
said to them that you didn’t mind doing what you’re supposed to
do but you didn’t want to be frightened in your bedroom or
abducted. And they thought that was funny. They got a laugh out of
I said, ‘Why would they think that’s funny?’
she said, ‘Because if you knew where you have come from, and what
you look like where you came from as opposed to what you look like
now as a human, do you think you would be scared? Wait until you die
and go back to where you come from. That’s really going to be a
shock to you. So, they just thought that was humorous.
don’t want to be frightened? Wait until you die. You’ve got a
real trip coming when you go back to who you really were and where
you’ve come from.’
she said, ‘But they’re telling me to tell you: No one’s gonna
harm you. We give you something to do and we have been watching you
from Day 1. So, just remember we’re watching you, and you will do
whatever it is we have in mind for you to do.’
I thought, Wow, man, I’ve never heard such stuff in my life.
It’s an incredible story.
don’t know. I’m just telling you what happened.
BR: And it all fits together, right?
JM: Yeah, it all kind of …
BR: These accounts all
fit together, in a way that suggests... I mean, you’ve got a number
of data points here, and you’ve put it all together, and it says
that you’re sent here, that you’re widely respected by everyone
up there and down here. That you’ve got a job to do, that you’re
being watched, that you’re being protected. You don’t know what
the heck’s going on all this time…
JM: I have no idea.
BR: ...which actually I
think is really funny myself. And here you are at the ripe old age of
nearly 70 and you’re still trying to figure it out, and you don’t
even know whether you’ve done yet what you’ve come here to do!
JM: That’s exactly
right. And the reason why is because I’m not even sure what it is
I’m supposed to do to start with, so how would I know if I’ve
always known that I have always had this other-world connection. Even
as a child, I went out of body, I had spirit entities coming into my
bedroom when I was six and seven years old. I saw things and I went
out of my body. That’s another experience when I was eight years
old: I went out to a terrible accident and I was there and saw the
accident happen. I came back into my body and told my parents what
next morning in the newspaper exactly what I said happened exactly as
I said, because I was there and I saw it, and I was there at the
accident and saw all the details of what happened. And the next
morning in the newspaper, exactly what I said happened was in the
so I’ve had aliens at my window, at night in Florida. When I wake
up at night I see this little creature at my window. Because as a
little kid I pulled my bed up next to the window, and in Florida it’s
very hot at night, and so I pulled my bed right up next to window. I
have a screen and I... because I would like to lay in bed at night
look at the stars and talk to the spirits.
And I would wake up in
the middle of the night and there’d be a little head [that] would
move. It would not move so quick I didn’t see it, but it would move
when I woke up and I’d see it. And I immediately opened up the
screen and the yard was well lit up from a full moon, my dog was out
there – didn’t bark at all – and yet I know I saw something
move. And I would do it many times. Many times I would wake up in the
middle of the night and I’d see a little head move quickly. And
so... but when I’d look out, the dog didn’t see anything and
there is nothing in the yard.
Something was there. So I
grew up having other-world experiences, seeing aliens, having demonic
spirits come in my bedroom…
BR: Some people
watching this will already have heard you tell this story in the
September 2009 Project Camelot interview. Is it possible that you
could give another abbreviated version of that encounter with your
JM: Oh yeah, yeah.
BR: Because that fits
together so perfectly with these stories you’ve been telling here.
It’s kind of nice if it’s all in the same bundle…
JM: Yeah, yeah.
That’s fine. In 1959, fifty-nine, I was 19 years old, born in 1940. So
fifty-nine, I was 19, and I ended up in Los Angeles. I had to go
to Los Angeles for some reason. So I ended up there, I have no money,
I don’t know where I am, I’m in a big city, I don’t know what
I’m doing here – but, you know, I was a kid on the run – so
here I am in L.A.
And one morning in North
Hollywood, I went in a restaurant, in North Hollywood, 1959, and the
place was full so there’s no room anywhere except for one seat at
the counter. So I took the seat at the counter and there was a girl
sitting next to me. She was probably... I was 19, she’s probably
like 17 or so, a little younger than I.
So we started talking and
come to find out, she only lived a couple blocks from me and I only
lived about three blocks from town and she lived two blocks from me.
She had walked downtown, and I had walked downtown. So we hung
around town for a while and then we walked home together. And then we
started meeting on the Saturdays and Sundays; I’d meet her downtown and
we’d just hang out together and then when we’d walk
home. She lived two blocks further than me, so I never walked home
with her but she knew where I lived.
And one night, it was on
a Friday night, it was a very eventful thing that happens. One night
on a Friday night, she knocked on my door about 10:00 at night and
she said, ‘My dad wants to talk to
you.’ And, of course, I don’t want to talk to anybody’s
dad; and I said, ‘I don’t want to
talk to him. I got nothing to say to him.’ And she said, ‘My
father’s a very important and interesting man, he wants, he’s got
something to tell you. You need to come with me.’
I said, ‘Okay.’ So I went. And as I was walking with her up to
the house, he
happened by chance to be coming out of the house. And the moment I
saw him, the hair raised up on the back of my neck, because of the feeling,
feeling I got, was so overwhelming.
And I was shocked at the feeling I got from
I guess, with an immediacy, I knew there’s something strange
about this man. I’m feeling it already. But I love
It’s not fearful; it’s
a trip! I don’t know who this guy is but I can’t get enough of
this feeling. And so he made the [makes the gesture of
inviting in] Come on in. And the thing I noticed about him
immediately is I’ve never seen anyone more in control of themselves
than him. He knew precisely what he was doing; the way he moved, his
mannerisms, his whole demeanor was very strange. [He] said, ‘Come
And I thought, Wow, I
don’t know who this is but I’m feeling something here. So I
went in and we’re sitting on the sofa. I’m sitting on one end,
he’s sitting on the other end of the sofa, my girlfriend is sitting
on the floor with her younger sister about ten years old, they’re
sitting on the floor. The mother’s in the kitchen or somewhere in
the back room and he’s just talking; just small talk, asking me how
do you like your job and how do you like living in California, and my
daughter says that you have been very kind to her and I want to thank
you for treating my daughter with respect, and we were talking back
and forth, just little stuff.
And I was beginning to
feel a little bit better about him; he’s talking normal human
things. So I’m feeling a little bit better, a little bit more at
ease and, he knew that. And then he said to me, he said, ‘Remember
back when you were eight years old and back in Florida and your dad
built a new back porch? Remember the back porch was falling apart and
your dad and your dad’s brother; they built a new back porch at the
house and your dad used green lumber, [it] smelled funny because it
was green lumber and, you remember that when your dad built that back
And... it shocked me, and
I didn’t want to show tears in front of my girlfriend but it was
shocking. And I said ‘Yes.’
And he said: Well, did
I said: Yes. It did.
And he says then: Remember one night, you were in bed and you got
out of bed and you
went out on the back porch, remember? And the moon was really bright.
And remember how you picked the wood with your finger; you were
peeling the wood because it smelled funny at night the green lumber,
and you picked it and was smelling the wood? You remember doing
And again, I was even
more frightened and I said: Yes.
And he said: Well, did
you do that or didn’t you?
I said: Yes, I did.
And he said: And what
else did you do? You talked to God, didn’t you?
And I said: Yes.
And he said: What did
you say to God? Remember, you looked up at the moon and you talked to
And I was just looking at
him. I was scared and he said, ‘What
did you do? You said to God that you would like to do something
important with your life. Isn’t that what you said?’
And I said: Yeah,
that’s what I said.
He said: Well, that’s
why you’re here. We brought you here to let you do something
important with your life. After all, you asked. And so,
we’ve decided to give you something important to do.
And I said: I don’t
He says: It’s not
important. But you did say that, didn’t you?
- How would I know
that? How did I know all of that?
And I said: I don’t
know how you know that.
And he said: I know
that because we were there. When you were talking to God, we were
there. So, you wanted an opportunity to do something, so we’re
going to give you an opportunity to do something. [laughs]
I said, ‘Who is we? Who are you
He said: That’s not
important right now. You’ll learn later.
And he said: But we
also... He said, ‘You’re very
interested in UFOs and aliens and spooky stuff like that, aren’t
And I said: Yeah, I’m
And he said: Yeah I
know. We know that. And he said: Would
you like to see some UFOs tonight?
And I said: Yes, I’d
He said: Well, I can
do that for you. Come on. I’ll show you.
So I got up with him, and
the two girls got up, and the two girls, myself and the father, the
four of us go out in the front lawn, probably about midnight, 1959.
And he looks up in the sky and he starts inaudibly talking. He’s
moving his mouth, he’s talking, but you can’t hear him. And then
he turns to me and he said, ‘They
said they’ll be here in a couple minutes. They’ll be coming from
over here... southeast. They’ll be coming here in a couple
And I said: Who?
And he said: You’ll
see. You wanted to see UFOs, right?
- Well, just wait.
They’ll be here.
And so I look at my
girlfriend and she’s looking at me, and the look on her face was,
it was, she was saying to me, ‘Yeah,
I told you my father was an interesting and important man. I told
you.’ And I was looking at her trying to imagine, Is this
a trick or some... but how would he know the things about me that he
knew? And who is this man that I’m fascinated with?
And sure enough, a couple
minutes later, three UFOs, disc-shaped things about the size of the
full moon in the sky – that’s how big they were, not a little
light, full-moon size, three of them, come out over in a triangle
formation and stop right over the top of me, right over the top of
us. And I’m looking up at this, and the bottoms – they were all
three identical – making no sound, and they’re all three
circulating like a pie with six or eight slices and each slice is a
different color, but they were vibrant colors, like laser
colors. Very vibrant. Oranges, pinks and greens. And they were
circulating, but not so fast as to blend the colors. And... three of
And I’m standing there
looking at them thinking, My God, this is beautiful. And it’s
such an eerie feeling. It’s quiet at night. It’s late. I’m
standing out here with a man that’s blowing my mind, and I’m
looking at three UFOs. And then he looks up and starts inaudibly
talking to them again. And he said, ‘They
said that they’re leaving now. They’re going now.’ And so
they did. They started moving. They went north very slow, very slow,
until they were out of sight.
And I said: What was
And he said: That’s
us. And he said: Why are
you in California? Why did you come here?
And I said: I don’t
know. I have no idea.
He said: That’s
right. We brought you here. You said you wanted to do something for
God, didn’t you?
- Well, then, we have
brought you here so that you can do something for God.
And I said: I don’t
understand what you’re talking about.
He says: We have
something for you to do, and we’ve been watching you from day one.
We’ve already decided a long time ago, even before you were eight
years old, we’ve already decided. So we brought you here to start
you on your journey, to begin your life for you. We’re going to
guide your life, so that you learn what you’re supposed to.
You have all the
experiences that we will see to it that you will have, so that one
day, he said, what you’re going to do for us will not happen
until the last part of your life. It’s going to be the very last
part of your life, but when that day comes, you will know what it is
you will have to do. You will know what it is you will have to do.
Right now it’s not important. You just go on out and live your
We will see to it that
you meet who you’re supposed to, and learn what you’re supposed
to, and when it’s time we’ll let you know what you need to do. We’ll be
And so, I used to go over
to his house. That night, he said, ‘To
start you on your journey, tonight – I’m going to start you on
your new journey, where you’re going, in your life – I’m going
to give you a book.’ The book he gave me was called The
Complete Works of Charles Fort, F-o-r-t. Charles Fort is very
well known for his work.
JM: He actually wrote
three books, probably a lot more, but the three most important books
were put into one big volume, now, and so you can get it as a very
thick volume, called The Complete Works of Charles Fort.
And what made his book so
interesting, and why the father gave it to me, is that Charles Fort
has documented, a thick book, on all the strangest things which have
happened in the world, which were documented, and which have no
explanation at all. No one even ventures to even try and answer them.
It’s just strange stuff that have happened, and no one has any idea
how, or what it means, and he documents it.
But what makes his book
so interesting is that he documents everything with every paragraph.
No matter, every paragraph has documentation: where he saw this,
where he found this. You know, where he got this information, where
he got that information, and what page it was on, who wrote the
article, and everything. So you could find anything. It’s all right
there, documented. Paragraph by paragraph.
And the kind of things
he found were just so extraordinary, mind-blowing stuff, but it’s
all there. The world is filled with strange things that have happened
that nobody has any explanation for. And when he gave me that book,
I know he gave it to me because it opened up my mind to the occult
world. Occult simply means hidden. So that book opened my
mind at 19 years old to... because I had already been well involved
in the other-world knowledge and strange stuff in my childhood.
But for the first time, I
had it documented, strange stuff, that nobody understands how it
happened, and it’s all documented in one book. And that, I
believe, he gave me that book to get me started in realizing that the
world is far stranger than you imagine. Far, far stranger. I like
that one quote of the astronomer, I think it was, who said: The
universe is not stranger than you imagine. The universe is stranger
than you can imagine.
BR: That was the great
British astronomer and physicist Sir Arthur Eddington.
JM: Incredible quote. That’s exactly right. And when you read Charles
Fort’s book, you
think, Wow, this stuff actually happened? You
know, and it just defies your imagination as to what all of
And so, to get me
interested, he said, ‘Let me give
you an idea about what’s in the book.’ And it was a big
thick book, and he just opened it up, just nonchalantly, opened it up
to a page. I now know that it was not nonchalant. He knew exactly
what he was doing. He knew exactly how to get my attention. It’s
other-worldly how he knew, my psyche and my spirit, to get my
And he says, ‘Let
me read you something.’ And the first thing he read me was
about a city, a little town, a small town in California,
mid-California. Back in the 1860’s I think, 1870’s. And it’s
happened to that little town two or three times, in that same town.
On a clear day, on a sunny clear day with no clouds in the sky,
enormous boulders, tons and tons of boulders would fall out of the
sky, on a clear day. And they had newspaper people there reporting
it. That town’s people saw it, but the thing that made it
interesting is that the boulders were like, some of them two and
three tons a piece, falling out of a clear blue sky.
But they didn’t fall at
the normal rate of speed. It took all day for them to come down. All
day long, they come down slow. And when they hit the ground,
they would bury themselves in the ground where they normally would,
at normal speed, and the dirt would fly up very slow, all in slow
motion. And the whole thing was... you could sit and watch it all
day long. It was all in slow motion. But when the rock had finally
settled, it would be exactly where it would have been, normally, and
it would be exactly the way, you know, what would have happened
normally, but it took all day for it to happen.
So it was obviously a
time warp. That these things were coming from somewhere out there, in
a time warp, and hitting this little town. This happened two or three
times in the same town. And it’s documented, it really happened.
And if a house or a car or something was in the way, it’s too bad,
because this thing is just coming down and it would just crash right
through the house, crash through the car or whatever, and there’s
nothing you’re going to do to stop them, because they were in
another time warp. And how do you explain that? Nobody could. But
that’s just... and then he looked at me and he said, ‘That’s
just one story.’
And he said, ‘Here’s
another one.’ And he just run through the book and found
another page and read another paragraph. And the second paragraph was
even stranger than the first one. And he read me about three or four
different paragraphs, and he said, ‘Do
you see what I’m talking about?’ And I said, ‘Yes,
I love this book, I love this stuff.’ So he said, ‘Well
I’m giving it to you. Go read it.’
And so I started going
over to the house. Sometimes I’d go over in the evenings after
work. I’d go over and sit and talk with him and he would tell me
all kinds of strange things about what it’s like on other worlds
out there, and who’s here on the Earth and where they’ve come
from. The different alien life forms, where they’ve come from and
why they’re here.
BR: Do you remember
anything about what he told you?
JM: Yeah, well, he ... we
used to go up to Palmdale. Two or three times he and the two girls and
the wife and myself, and
those were incredible precious times. The girl would come over and
say, ‘We’re going up this morning.
Come with us.’ And I’d go over there and we’d go, I’ll
go in his car and we go up in the desert about 50 miles north of Los
Angeles up in the high desert, and it’s way out in the desert. And
the girls would go with their mom and they’d be wandering around
But he and I would go,
and he would show me mounds and holes, and the mounds and holes in
the Earth that I’d never seen before, and he says, ‘These
were made by aliens many many years ago. I want to show you...’
And we went to some mines also. He knew where these different mines
were. But he was telling me that there are certain places under the
earth that these particular aliens live, where they stay. It’s
under the earth.
And he said, ‘I’ll
show a couple of the places, but you don’t want to go in them. It’s
their property and not yours. So... and they look at it very
jealously as their property. So don’t mess with their property.
Don’t go in. They didn’t ask you to come in. But as long as I’m
with you, you’ll be all right, because I’ll tell you where not to
BR: Do you remember
where those places were...
BR: And who those aliens
were, and what [they’re doing there]?
JM: I don’t remember
the names of aliens, or the exact information, but I remember where
those places are.
BR: Where are they?
JM: Well, pity, I would
say, I can’t take you right to it, but I can take you to the area
and say: Okay. Let’s go out here and you’ll find them. It’s off
in Palmdale, off of, what is it, Pear Blossom
Highway? I think it’s Pear Blossom Highway. And it’s off
of Pear Blossom Highway, but I’d have to get out there and I would
know it when I see it. Even though it’s changed a lot out there. But I
remember about a year or so ago I was driving from Vegas,
coming back through. And I remember this area and I slowed down and
stopped and I remembered this dirt road. So it’s still there. It
still hasn’t been built up and built over.
BR: And what’s the
story, as best you remember, of what these aliens are doing in that
area? Do you remember anything about what he told you?
JM: [sighs] Not really. He was... I think, basically, what I got from
it and what I
remembered from it, was that there were different ones here. And that
there are good ones and bad ones, and he said that even some of the
good ones here.... he said, ‘But we
have enemies. They have come here, and we have other business out
there with them. And since we’re here, they came here. And so we
have enemies here. Not human enemies. We got serious enemies here. But
we got a standoff. We’re powerful and they are, too, but we got
kind of like a standoff. But we have enemies. And we are their
And so... and he was
telling me about the reptile aliens. That was back in 1959.
BR: And what did he tell
you about that?
JM: I don’t remember
specifically but I just remember him talking about reptile aliens,
and I really didn’t comprehend what he was talking about exactly. It
was such a strange concept to me. Reptile aliens. At 1959. I
don’t even know what he was talking about.
But the one thing that
stands out in my mind about everything is that I knew that this man
was absolutely of another world, and I connected with it. It was as
if I was... it wasn’t that I understood it and was into it. No, no.
This was part of me. It’s part of my person, who I am. But he was
initiating me into a secret of who I really am. And I felt it. I just
felt I am part of him. I know now who I am, and I know that I’m not
of this world. And that was just an overwhelming feeling I had. I
just loved it, I loved being around him, because when I was around
him, I was in my world. I was with my people, so to speak. And
God, that was an incredible experience, being in his company.
And one day I went over
to – in the morning, it’s on a weekend morning – I went over
to see if he was going to go anywhere, and he was gone. They just
left. The house was empty, the doors were all open, windows were all
open. They were just gone, never to see them again. And she didn’t
come to tell me she was leaving. Only two blocks. She could have told
me she was going. And it was like my family. They left me. They’re
gone. And I walked home so dejected. I couldn’t believe my family,
this wonderful association, this wonderful man that I know, and this
family, and they’re all gone, and no one said anything to me. And I
often wondered, whatever happened to, why did they leave and never
But now I look back on
those years and my gut feeling is, he did what he was supposed to do.
He did what he was supposed to do. Get me started. Other people will
come into my life who is part of his group, and they will continue to
move me along. The old man in the truck, he was the next, he was
connected, too. And, you know, all these different people I’ve met
and all these strange things, they were part of the same group who
were just kind of around me; and every time I need a little
encouragement, they’ll pop in at the right moment and give you
another mind-blowing experience and then they’ll move on again. So
it’s like they’re moving you through life, but watching you.
BR: Some people watching
this video now, may have already seen my interview with Freedom
Central in November 2009, and I don’t want to steal your thunder
here by jumping in with my story, but just as a very brief summary,
in that interview, I told how back in 1984 or 1985 – which was when
I was 31, 32 years old – I had a girlfriend who I began to realize
after a number of years, wasn’t an ordinary human being.
And she left me out of
the blue, and what triggered this little story here was your going to
their house and being devastated when you’d discovered that they’d
gone. And I was devastated when my girlfriend left me. And she told
me, she said – and this not usually how people end a relationship
– she said, ‘My purpose in your
life is complete.’ She told me. [laughs]
I had no way of handling
that. I had absolutely no way of handling that at all. I was
devastated for quite a long time. Now, of course, I understand it much
more clearly. In exactly the way that you’ve presented it, which
was that there was a coaching and a mentoring and guiding going on. I
needed that catalyst, that catalytic experience...
JM: That’s right.
BR: ...at that stage of
my life in order... no, let me start that sentence again: without
which I might not be doing what I’m doing at the moment.
JM: That’s precisely
BR: And it’s the same
BR: And probably like
you, I’ve heard these stories from many people all over the world,
and while none of them are identical, many of them have the same
BR: I assume that you
get people writing to you about this stuff as well.
JM: Oh yeah. Absolutely. I sure have.
So that’s why I know
that I have a connection with him. And with something greater that’s
out there. That I know. That’s what has led me all of my life, in
spite of everything that has happened to me, and all the setbacks and
all the tragedies and all the horror stories that’s happened to me.
I have always known that there is something out there and it’s
watching you, you know [chuckles],
and you’re just merely a part of something other-worldly that’s
going on. There’s something else going on here on the Earth and
it’s not of this world, and whatever it is, it could be aliens...
It’s probably alien life forms, but somebody else is in charge.
That’s why I have said, and we’ve talked about this before, I don’t
mind, you know, letting someone else guide my life. I don’t mind that
BR: And another analogy
that I could offer here, not wanting to trivialize it, but it’s like
if you are a football player – and I know what you think about ball
games, but some of the people here watching this video might
appreciate the analogy – it’s like a tough ball game. And you’re
out there, on the football field. And you’re
getting slammed into, and you’re getting winded, and you’re
getting knocked down, and you’re getting bruised, and
you’re wishing that you weren’t there, and you’re having a tough
time... And you think, God, this is a, this is a ... okay, I’m not
really enjoying this game anymore.
And then, during the
break in the game, you go and talk to the coach. And then the coach
reminds you what it is that you’re doing, and why you’re a valuable
team player, and how come you’re going to win the next game, because
you won the last game, and this one is tough, but you haven’t lost it
yet. You know?
JM: Yeah. Then it kind
of gives you a new thing, when this game goes back, you’re ready to
go back in and do it again.
BR: That’s right.
JM: Yeah. You’re right.
BR: And I’m not
trivializing this by referring to the concept of games, but if
we see it all from a higher level then when we’re in the game, it
feels like it’s life and death.
JM: You’re right.
BR: At the end of the
game, you think, Hey, that was a good game. Let’s go and have a
BR: You know?
JM: You’re right. Yep.
BR: And for me, that’s a
concept that works quite well.
JM: I think you’re
right. My feeling is you’re right. That’s exactly right. Somebody’s
watching, and the higher authority, when it sees that you need it,
like just kind of slipping out a little bit because you’re human, and
they give you a little picking up around to remind you who you are,
and what you’re here for.
Did I ever tell you what
happened to me in New Jersey, when I went back to do the ABC network
show? I didn’t tell you that, did I?
BR: So far it doesn’t
ring a bell.
BR: Tell it anyway. It
doesn’t matter whether you told me.
JM: I did a radio show
in Los Angeles. My first radio show I had ever done as a interview,
the first time I was ever interviewed on radio, was Tom Leykis. Tom
Leykis, in LA? Very famous talk-show host. And Tom Leykis called and
wanted me on his show. Well, it was very famous talk-show host. You
get on his show and
you’ve been somewhere.
And it was on one of the
biggest stations in town in LA, and he was the biggest talk-show host
at the time.
So I went on, and I did a
two-hour show with him – the first time I was ever on a radio doing
an interview – and I got such an enormous response from the
audience. But one guy called and said, ‘Jordan,
I live in New York, I’m the producer of the Bob Grant Show, on ABC
network in New York City.’
said, ‘Would you come to New York and do what you did on Tom Leykis’
show, come to New York and do it on ABC network?’
And I said, ‘Yeah, I
would love to.’ Since I don’t know what I’m doing anyway, so... And so,
I went to New
York, and I was ... but when I got in, it was on a Sunday morning, I
flew into New Jersey. And they had me have
a hotel room in New Jersey at the airport hotel, and the next day
they would have a car on Monday.
I was going to be doing the interview, they were
sending a car to pick me up to bring me into New York.
And so, I was so tired,
because I hadn’t slept a day or so before; I was nervous, you know,
this was only the second time I’ve
ever done a radio interview. And it’s ABC network, New
York City, all right? And I’m nervous, and
I didn’t know what I was doing, but I figured this was
part of who I am, so just grin and bear it.
And so, I got in the
hotel room, I was so tired I just collapsed on the bed, and I said
out loud, I said, ‘Am I here by myself, doing this, or do I have
somebody here that can help me?’
And all of the sudden the
bed lifted up. And as it began to move around the room, I was startled.
over towards the window. And I remember thinking, ‘If it hits that
window, I’m jumping off this bed. I’m not going out the window with
And as it comes to the
window, it turned around, and the bed turned completely around, and
I’m on it, and I’m looking at this bed turning around, and I’m
amazed, but I was startled. I ... I don’t know what to think of
this. And then the bed turned back around again, where it was
supposed to, and then sat down.
And I thought, and I
said, ‘Thank you.’ And... I guess that’s all
you can say. You’d better just go to bed and go to sleep.
JM: And I just laid down
and thought about what in the hell did I just experience? This bed
floated around the room, and then floated back into place and sat
down, and I was so tired I just thought, ‘Well, they didn’t hurt
me, so I’m going to go to sleep.’ So...
like the coach in your football game has got quite a
sense of humor.
JM: Yeah, exactly.
[Laughs] Am I here by myself? No, no, the room is full with things
you just don’t know. You don’t see it.
So they moved the bed
around. I swear, it just scared me ... it was such an experience
having that bed move me around the room. It was incredible.
BR: In answer to your
question. You never ... [laughs]
BR: ... you never told me
JM: ... I always got ...
I always get a answer.
BR: That’s fabulous.
JM: The most
extraordinary thing, I think, that’s truly off the wall that
happened to me, and I’ve had so many things like that [laughs], I’ll
tell you. But this really happened. As crazy as it sounds, this
I was spending a long
weekend at a friend’s house
in Los Angeles, up in the canyons. He had a home, way up in the
canyons, in the mountains, overlooking Los Angeles. And I had a young
friend of mine, from Orange County, that was friends with the owner
also, and so he said, ‘Why don’t both of you guys come up and hang
out for the long weekend, with us, with the family.’
So we did. So he give us
the top bedroom; it was a three-tier home, up in the canyons, way up
in the mountains, overlooking L.A. And so we had the top part, which
is a big, huge bedroom, and a pool ... a pool table, and all kinds of
stuff up there, and we were staying there for, like, three or four
Well, we went out at
night, and there was a ladder on the roof at the top part. So we
took some pillows out and some blankets, and we went up and took a
couple beers with us; and we sat up there, and laid out there under
the stars at night, just my friend and I, and talking and chatting
about stuff, and I got to talking about God, and the spirit world.
And I have no idea why I did it, but we were both sitting up looking
at Los Angeles, beautiful lights of the city, and we’re sitting up on
the roof, and for some reason, I said, ‘God, if you are hearing me,
would you have a meteorite hit this mountain here.’
And when I said that, a
meteor went [makes
a hurtling, then a boom
sound], and hit the mountain.
And he was shocked, and I
was shocked. And we both looked at each other. And for a moment, we
would try to realize what just happened. And I said to my friend ...
and I looked at him. And he says, ‘What did you just do?’
And I said, ‘I … I
don’t know. I just ... I don’t know why I said that.’
JM: And it happened. I
said, ‘Would you hit the mountain with a meteor,’ and that very
moment, boom, it hit. And the
whole ... all the lights in the Box Canyon, all the lights came on in
all the homes, because the ground shook. And people came out with
flashlights up in the hills, you could see them, and you could ...
people were scared. That mountain was shook. And I sat there and was
amazed. Why did I say that, just a few seconds before it happened?
That is truly amazing to me.
I have no idea in the
world, it’s one of those freaky things that there’s no explanation
for. I don’t know why I said it, and I have no idea why it happened
the way it did. It was truly extraordinary.
The young man that was up
there with me, he still lives in Las Vegas,
and we talk about it from time to time; this
is strange stuff.
Did I tell you about my
friend, Bob Leeds?
I have a young ... I have
an older friend named Bob Leeds.
He’s a big shot in the motion-picture industry. Well, that’s a long
story. But, well, there’s two parts to this story, and it’s very
long, it’s like another
long one. But, anyway, Bob Leeds
... I’ll tell you the short version.
is a good friend of mine, but he was a very well-placed Jewish guy in
the motion-picture business
in Hollywood. And he and I were dear friends, very close friends.
And so, Bob called me one morning, one Saturday morning, and said, ‘I’m
going to take you out to breakfast. Let’s go out to breakfast.’
I said, ‘Okay.’
So, he said, ‘I’m going
to take you to any of the best ... any place you want to go in San
Diego, it’s my treat.’
And so I said, ‘Great.’
he said, ‘Any place you want to go, we’ll go.’
And I said, ‘Okay.’
So he comes by and picks
me up, and ... God, I love Bob. Bob was great.
And, so I said, ‘I want
to go to...’ Oh,
what was the name of the town, just north of San Diego? It’s a little
Mexican town, north of San Diego. I can’t remember the
name right now, I’ll remember it in a minute. But it’s in a little
dippy, little nothing town, north of ...
And he said, ‘No, what I
had in mind was going into downtown San Diego, to some really nice
And I said to him, I
said, ‘You said I could go wherever I want to go.’
He said, ‘That’s right.’
I said, ‘Well, that’s
where I want to go, to this little dippy little town, north of here.’
And he says, ‘There’s
And I said, ‘That’s
where I want to go.’
He said, ‘Okay, so we go
So we get on the freeway,
about a twenty-minute drive, and so as we’re driving,
we were talking about stuff. And we got on the subject of people
that we would love to see again. People we’ve known in the past that
we’d like to see again.
And I was telling him
some couple people I would love to see in my life again that I’ve
lost track of, and then he was telling me, he said, ‘Well, there’s
two people that fit that for me.’ He
said, ‘There’s an old Native American Indian chief,
Native American Indian, that I grew up knowing, and he was like my
And he said, ‘I loved
him, and I just ... I would give anything in the world if I could
see him again, the family again. I don’t even know if he’s alive. The
people that knew him and knew
me, I’ve asked them. And they don’t even know where he went. He’s
gone, nobody knows. That’s the one man I would really like to see, is
that old Native American Indian and his family.’
And he said, ‘And
the other guy was a guy I went to school with and grew
up with. He became a Mormon, and he became very wealthy, he’s
a real-estate developer,
construction. But I’ve lost
track of him, and he was one of my dearest friends in my life. And
I’ve lost him, too. I don’t know where he went. Nobody that knew him
knows, either. So those are two people I’d like to see.’
And so we were talking
about other things. So we get off the freeway, in this little Mickey
Mouse town, and we’re driving
through the city, and there’s no place to eat, except
IHOP ... International House of Pancakes. Well,
And so, I said, ‘Oh,
there’s an IHOP. Let’s go there. That’s where I want to go.’
he says, ‘Jordan, I was going to take you to a nice restaurant in
San Diego, and you come up to this little town, to go to an IHOP?’
And I said, ‘That’s where
I want to go. Come on, you say I could go, that’s where I want to
He said, ‘Okay, we’ll go
So we pull in and we
park, and we go in, and this
place is crowded because it’s the only place in town to eat, and then
finally they seat us, and when we’re sitting down, he ... all of the
sudden, his whole demeanor changed. I saw something was very, very
radically wrong with him. I could tell it in his face, I could tell
there was something wrong.
And I said, ‘What’s going
on, Bob? What’s wrong?’
And he said, ‘There is
the old man, right there, and there’s my friend, the contractor,
right there. Both of them. That’s the old man, and there’s my
JM: ‘Both of them.’ And he said to me, ‘I don’t know how you do this,
but understand from
this day forward, I believe you are somebody. I have
never seen this. I just got through telling you I wanted
to see these two people, and out of nowhere we come up here, and here
they are. So you’ve
sold me. I don’t know who you are, or where you’ve come from, or what
you’re doing, but there’s something strange about you.’
And so I was amazed. And
he, he had like tears in his eyes. He got up, went over and sat with
the old man, and then his buddy saw him, he goes over there, and
they’re all sitting around the table talking. … I don’t know what’s
happening. I didn’t know. I just wanted to go to IHOP. So...
BR: That’s a lovely
story. That’s a beautiful story...
BR: ...beautiful story.
JM: And he had like
tears in his eyes. He came back, and as we were driving home, he
said, ‘I don’t know who you are, and I don’t know how this happened.
But as far as I’m concerned, I’m never questioning anything again.’
He said, ‘I’ve had so
many strange experiences around you, strange stuff, but today, that
was a ... that took the cake today. I am totally, cannot believe what
just happened today: The two people in my life I have wanted to see,
and you brought me up here to this little town, out of nowhere to an
IHOP, and there they both were. So wow.’
BR: This is the kind of
stuff you wouldn’t dare write that into a movie. You know...
JM: I know. [Laughs] That’s
BR: You’d be thrown out,
you know? You’re thrown out as the ... being
JM: Yeah, Bob Leeds. Bob Leeds.
BR: Wonderful story.
JM: And, ah...
BR: Thank you. You said
JM: There was something
else I was going to tell you, but I can’t remember. I...
BR: There’s a whole
bunch of things you were going to tell us.
JM: Oh, yeah. About the
reptilian stuff, too.
BR: Just for the ...
just for the benefit of the people watching this video here, we’re
all kind of getting a bit giddy, because it’s past 3 o’clock in the
morning here in central Europe...
BR: [Laughs] ... and,
JM: And see, I slept
late, so I’m full of life right now.
BR: Yeah, see, Jordan’s
doing fine. He’s on the
west coast so he’s fine.
JM: Yeah, I’m doing
fine, I’m on a roll, so...
don’t have any time, he’s
just about ready for lunch.
BR: But, you said that
you wanted to tell us some more reptilian
stories, and one of them is a staggering one which you did tell in
2009 interview, and you said you had more, and...
JM: Oh, yeah.
BR: ...these are
significant, in my own opinion, because of what you yourself said in
September interview, that it’s actually quite important to rescue
from being lampooned as the only person who’s, quote, inventing all
these stories about
reptilians, and you know that these are not
inventions. And you have heard many of these stories.
JM: I’ve heard these
stories as far back as 1959.
BR: And you even brought
some of the stories to his attention.
JM: That’s right. I
brought some of these actual stories to his attention, yes.
BR: And he was very
courageous in coming forth very publicly...
JM: I know.
BR: ...to make this into
JM: And I think I even
said that. I said that on the stage up in San Jose, when David was
speaking and I was, too, at a conference, and at the end of the
conference there was a question and answer, in which David was on the
stage, and I was, too.
And I said at that
conference, I said, ‘I have my
... I am totally committed to the fact that there are
reptile aliens here on the Earth. Of that there is no doubt in my
mind. But it’s not because David Icke
is saying so. I’ve known this long before David Icke
ever came into the picture. Many years ago, I have had many different
stories told to me, by very powerful people, people who are
well-grounded, highly intelligent, well respected people over the years
have told me of their personal, one-on-one encounters with reptile
I have to believe when
that many people, that well-grounded intelligent people tell me
things – like airline pilots, bankers, real-estate executives who
are telling me their personal, one-on-one experience with alien,
reptile aliens, I have to assume there must be something to it.’
BR: Well, that’s
very good of you to publicly take some of the pressure off David...
BR: ...because David has
been ridiculed for this, so let’s all be ridiculed for this...
JM: Yeah, yeah.
BR: ...and maybe more
people will come forward with their stories.
JM: There’s no doubt in
my mind that they are here.
it’s one of the most important stories on this planet
right now, and people need to know whatever the truth is. People need
to know. And I’d love you to tell some more stories, which you
believe are authentic...
BR: ...that have been
reported to you, to add to the chronicles.
JM: I was doing a radio
show, I was being interviewed on the Lou Epton show, in Las Vegas,
many years ago; quite a few years, I’m thinking, maybe ‘89? I think
it was ‘89. Or ‘88. So we’re talking quite a few years ago. And
Lou Epton at that time ... dear, dear friend, Lou Epton. I love him
dearly, he was a very, very wonderful man.
He’s still with us; he’s
in Las Vegas, retired. But he had a major talk-show in Las Vegas,
during the morning, morning talk-show. And
I had one at night, a nighttime talk-show. But Lou had
... but I was in Los Angeles, and Lou called me to do an interview. And
it was a two-hours show. And back in ‘88, I think it was.
But anyway, in the
process, I brought up the subject of the reptile aliens. And my
belief about the reptile aliens and what the ancient peoples of the
ancient world, the Babylonians, the Sumerians, the Phoenician
Canaanites, the Egyptians – especially the Sumerians – all the
ancient peoples of the world talked about the reptile aliens. And so,
I just brought that up in passing, that I think there are reptile
aliens here. I’ve heard too many stories, and then I told some of
those stories that I had heard.
Well, after the program,
I got a phone call from a guy who later on I had found out is an
extremely wealthy businessman in Las Vegas. He buys and sells hotels
and commercial properties in Vegas, and he was the biggest
And he said to me, he
said, ‘Jordan, we listen to Lou Epton, we love Lou Epton,
so in the office in the mornings we listen to Lou Epton on the show.
morning, when you came on, we started ... we got so interested in
listening to you that everybody just kind of quit work for
a little bit and was listening to you. And when you
mentioned the reptile aliens, it shocked us.’
And he said, ‘I’m a
Christian, and I have five men who work for me in my office, and
they’re Christians, and they all belong to the same church. We all go
to the same church, and all six of us are in the office, and we were
hearing you today.’
And he said, ‘When you
mentioned reptile aliens, I had to call you and tell you. We’re
Christians. But every year, we go somewhere in the world on vacation,
and my company pays for everything.’
And he says, ‘So I take
all five families, all six families go together on a vacation
somewhere. And last year ...’
Now, this was like in ‘88, so he’s talking about ‘87.
And he said, ‘Last year,
we decided to go camping for a couple of weeks in Colorado.’
And he says, ‘We were up
in the mountains and we broke camp one morning, and we walked up to
the top of this mountain. We were almost there anyway, at
camp, and then the next morning when we broke camp, we walked up to
the top of the mountain to look over the lay of the land. Out in the
valley, we could see that there had been an area that had been
cleared away. It was like a round area that had been cleared away.
And there was a circle of people out there, and they were all wearing
robes, and they were all holding hands, and swaying back and forth,
singing and chanting. You could barely hear them.’
But he said, ‘But
it was very quiet where we were, and we could see that
there was some kind of a ritual, dancing or swaying
back and forth in a circle. They were all holding hands. And there
was obviously somebody in the middle, like a priest or something in
he said, ‘This was out in the middle of nowhere, that these people
are out here with this thing that they’re doing.’ And he said, ‘We’re
here in the mountains looking down on them, and while we were
standing there looking at them, all of the sudden, a second figure
popped up out of nowhere, but it was bigger than the man that was in
the middle. It’s in the middle, too, but it’s much bigger. And it
pointed up at us.’
And he said, ‘And
all the singing stopped, everybody stopped and
pointed,’ and he said, ‘We knew we’d been had.’
And he said, ‘We didn’t
know what was going on, but whatever it was, it just popped in out of
nowhere, pointed up at us, and everybody is now pointing at us. So we
figured we’d better just get out of here.’
And he said, ‘When we
turned around, it was standing behind us. That thing which was down
there, was already behind us. That’s how quick it moved.’
He said, ‘When we turned
around to run, there was a reptile alien standing behind us.’
He said, ‘This thing was
at least seven to
seven-and-a-half foot, to maybe eight foot tall, had a reptile male
man’s head, but it was a reptile head. It was very
muscular, looked like a human body, on the ordinary of a human body,
but a reptile body, extremely muscular, and it was looking at us,’
and he said, ‘It cast some kind of a spell on us, so that the
children and the women,
no one could move. We were like frozen.’
And he said, ‘And even
... nobody could say anything. Nobody could cry, nobody could run,
nobody could do anything. We were staring at it, and it was looking
at us, but it had control over us. It had locked us so that we
couldn’t move, we couldn’t scream, we couldn’t do anything.’
And he said, ‘And this
thing was gazing at all of us, looking at the children, looking at
the women. This reptile alien.’ And he says, ‘We are just Christians,
in a church. But we saw a reptile alien. This thing was not of this
world. This thing was looking at all of us, it looked at the men, and
the look he gave us, we understood. He didn’t say anything, but we
knew. He was saying, I’m going to leave you alone. But when I
leave here, you’d better get out of here.’
he said, ‘The alien walked over like he was leaving, [makes a brief
sound] he was gone. Just like that, he was gone. When he was gone,
the moment he was gone, everyone came back to life. And the babies
were screaming, the women were yelling and screaming, everybody came
back to life, instantly.’
And he says, ‘We ran
like, like we were totally out of our minds. Running back to the
cars, we ran down the hill, got in the cars, and the women were
screaming, the children were yelling. Then we drove back, it was the
most incredible, horrible experience.’
And he says, ‘All the
guys in my office will tell you: we saw a reptile alien in Colorado.
So, when you’re talking about reptile aliens and the ancient world, I
got news for you: there’s one we know for sure, in Colorado. We saw
And he said, ‘This thing
ran back, and went so fast, it was just ... [makes
a slapping sound] gone. But that’s how fast it came up
behind us. We knew that we’d been spotted, we turned around, and it
was too late: it’s already standing here.’
And he says, ‘So, when I
hear tales now about people who have seen reptile aliens, I got to
tell you, there’s six families here, we all belong to the same
church, and I will guarantee you, we saw one. You can bet on it.’
So... and this is
I found out, because I started asking questions when I
was in Vegas about this man and his company, and yes, he is a very
wealthy man, and a very, very big company, well known in Las Vegas
for buying and
selling the hotels, and big, you know, big properties.
And he said, ‘Yeah, I’m
just telling you what happened to us.’
BR: And, ah, my
suspicion which may well be yours as well...
JM: Say it again?
BR: My suspicion, and it
may well be yours as well, is that for every person who comes forward
and reports a story,
there are hundreds of others who don’t.
JM: Oh, I... probably
right. You’re probably right.
may be a thousand others who don’t, because who is
going to come forward publicly and say a story like that? Not many.
BR: And one of the
reasons, of course, why I want to encourage you to... [laughs] why I
have been supporting you in coming forward to tell these stories, is
not only to support David Icke,
but it’s to support other people who have had these experiences.
Because I suspect that they are fairly wide-spread, and nobody
wants to talk about it.
JM: Well, you’re right.
my guess. That’s my guess.
JM: Did you ever talk to
Dr. Roger Leir about his case up in Bakersfield?
BR: I don’t believe so.
I know Roger Leir...
BR: ...and he’s a very
good man. I don’t think I know about the Bakersfield incident. Tell
me about it.
JM: Well, I’m just
trying to remember the story, basically. If he were here, he would
give you the real dope on it, but I’m just remembering the basic
story, is that there was a guy up in Bakersfield who is a fire
investigator. He’s a fireman
investigator for the Fire Department. And he has been
having reptile aliens coming into his bedroom. Him and his wife have
had reptile aliens, he says, were coming into his bedroom. They
didn’t harm him, but he said, he was telling Dr. Leir... Because he
called Roger Leir, because Roger is noted for his work with aliens
JM: ...implants. And so
Roger went up to see him, and this is... this guy’s with the Fire
an investigator, arson investigator, for the Fire
he said that the guy was saying that at night, him and
his wife are in bed, and the wall, facing them, became like water,
and became ... looked like water. And reptile aliens walked through.
And when they came through, then the wall became
back into a wall again.
And he said,
then they stood there looking at him and walking around
the room, and he said, ‘We were so frightened out of our wits, we’re
just watching these reptile aliens walking around in
the bedroom; then we feel this strange feeling again, and the wall
becomes like a water.’
And I think it’s
interesting that that’s the way, you know, what is it, Star Trek,
water? Well, this was a long
time ago this guy was telling... this was
a long time ago. And he said the aliens will walk back
So, he said, what they
decided to do was they got a towel, large big towels, which were the
same color as the carpet. And they – and
I’m just trying to remember all of this from the experience – but
they glued on the back, or taped on the back aluminum foil, about six
or eight sheets of aluminum foil, over and over on top of each other,
and taped them on the towel then laid it back over; so the idea was
that anything coming through that wall will not see the towel,
because it’s the same color as the floor, and would walk, and
pressure would be on the aluminum foil, to prove that there was
something in that room.
And he said, ‘And sure
enough, these things come back, and then a few days later they came
back and walked through, and walked around, and looked at him and her
in the bed, and then walked back over, and walked back through the
wall again,’ and he said, ‘I’ve
got ‘em. They stepped on the carpet ... on the towel.’ And he said,
pick it up, and you could see the imprint of the foot of the three
... I think he said there was like three fingers on the foot. And yet
there was a piece of the nail was caught in the carpet, and they took
that piece of nail, and they called Dr. Leir, and showed it to him. And
they’ve had that little piece of a nail sent to, I don’t know,
Los Alamos, it’s
some one of those big research laboratories, government
And they said that this
was … it was still alive. It was still living, it was a
living tissue, and it was still alive, and that it
seemed to be growing. When they got it, as opposed to where it was
now, it’s grown in length, so it seems to be growing, even though
it’s not connected to the body, it’s still growing.
And ... so that’s just
one more story, about reptile aliens.
BR: Did they get any
analysis of what this... Was this in the days of DNA tests, when they
JM: Well, yeah,
you know what? I... He was just telling me this, off
the cuff you know, and he didn’t go into much, because I guess we
were just talking about reptile aliens and he said, ‘I’m just having
some investigation of something that’s going on right now up in
Bakersfield.’ But they did get a footprint on the aluminum foil, to
show that there was something came through the wall, whatever it was.
BR: So these are ...
yeah. You’re just confirming that these aren’t apparitions.
Yeah. These apparitions actually have weight.
BR: They have rate,
yeah. They have weight. They’re
JM: Because they came
through the wall, and their imprint is on the aluminum foil.
BR: Yeah. And they have
some kind of interdimensional capability.
JM: Exactly. They have
interdimensional capability. They come through, and walk back in,
BR: You may remember in
the Project Camelot interview with you in September 2009, I believe I
shared the story with you that was told to me by Barbara Lamb, and
JM: I know Barbara well.
BR: ...is a very lovely
JM: Yeah. Very.
BR: ...who is a
counselor and a supporter to many people who have had very strange ET
experiences. And she told me how a reptilian alien had appeared out
of nowhere in her bedroom, and had silently held her hand for two
minutes before it disappears again ... disappeared again, looking
into her eyes, communicating with her that it was friendly, and it
had been specially bred to interact with humans to give them the
message that not all reptilians were hostile and meant harm. And this
was this being’s purpose, and it communicated with Barbara in that
BR: And so, just to
confuse the issue further, I feel honor-bound to report that little
story, too, because we mustn’t let or prejudices get the worst of us.
JM: No. You’re right.
BR: And with that little
anecdote of my own – or of Barbara’s, let us say – I’m going to
very gently close this down, because we’re now at the end of our
third hour of tape. It is quarter to four in the morning, even
Jordan’s getting tired. I’m exhausted.
We’ve [laughs] we both came back from the Vatican just
a few days ago...
JM: Yeah, we went to the
BR: ...and that’s
another story, and poor Jordan doesn’t even know if he’s going to be
able to get home or not, because we’ve got a volcano in Iceland
that’s doing its thing...
JM: That’s right.
BR: ...because the whole
solar system is going into something or other...
activating the Earth,
and that’s another story, too. So it’s all
happening around here, and in the closing seconds of this tape,
I want to thank you so much for putting all of this on record,
because we haven’t been talking about the Illuminati
and the New World Order this time, but we’ve been talking about a
different area which is possibly even more important...
JM: Far more important.
BR: ...in terms of
sketching out the big picture of which we here on planet Earth may be
quite a small part.
BR: And my own
conviction is that you have certainly had an important role, here.
Not only to reveal occult knowledge that has been kept secret from
us, but actually to be a communicator about all these subjects,
because they’re all connected. They’re all connected.
JM: Absolutely all
we have to understand it all. And... we’re at the
closing seconds here. I feel like I’m just about to be whisked off
the stage, and I want to thank you again on behalf of the hundreds of
thousands of people who will be watching this, so thank you,
you. Thank you. Been
BR: It’s a wild ride.
JM: No doubt about that.
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