Originally Posted by Moxie (Post 251252)

I've subscribed to this thread! Way back in the mid 80's I began experiencing a frightening phenomena in and around the sleep state as though something was trying to pull me out of my body (this began after I had practiced lucid dreaming for a while). I would wake up (w/body paralysis in the sleep state) and I'd "hear/feel" a frequency that would begin to rise, that felt like something was "taking" me, it was very frightening and would impose itself on me. I never knew when it would happen and took all of my might to resist.

I then wrote Charles Tart (author of Altered States of Consciousness) and he wrote back advising me to get in touch with Robert Monroe. Within a week I met a lady who ("coincidentally") plopped Monroe's book in my hand.. (synchronicity all over the place)... and, come to find that he described ExactLy what was happening to me and referred to himself (and me or anyone else) as the unfortunate ones, those that actually experience the transitioning from lucid mind through the process of going out of body (most people just find themselves out). It began as an imposition for him too.

It was very frightening but his book was comforting in that he gave advice on how to work with it. Anyway, I really didn't want to do that much after awhile as something told me that because of my ignorance of what's out there in the astral, that I might heed caution, which I did. Not to mention that I might examine my belief system. That was the start of it all for me back then, the fringe topics! My experience with the times that I actually made it out of body using his techniques I found that whatever I thought would likely manifest and I knew that I was not in control of my thoughts to such a level that I would be fearless (then)...also I "heard" feminine voices (two) speaking to me that "we are always there to help". I said WhoTF are "we"? I wanted outathere!!!

I went on from there into a spontaneous kundalini rising, now really knowing what it was... all before the internet. Man, how much I've learned since then. Still I'm cautionary but have a mighty intuitive mode that I do trust!

Now here I am immersed in Ash'a Deane's work and now about to order Matrix V. .... much more cognizant of shielding/protection & 2 way communication w/my Higher aspects and such. I'm SO glad I'm not "normal".

Enjoying this thread alot!

Originally Posted by rhyzohm (Post 245921)

there are pdfs of all the volumes floating around if you know where to look. try googling, it won't take long. in the meantime, some may find this critical review of the book pretty funny:

http://www.energygrid.com/spirit/2008/05ap-matrixv.html

Originally Posted by Swanny (Post 251468)

Originally Posted by gita (Post 251482)

I've only read some excerpts and it does sound Matrix 5 contains some really good info with some really unsavoury info. I think it may be a case of not throwing the baby out with the bath water. I shall remain open minded for now til I've read the book which my 'fairy godmother' has told me it's in the post as we speak!x:naughty::wink2:

Originally Posted by HORIZONS (Post 251484)

An open mind is a good thing to have. Just let go what you do not like, or better yet examine why it is you don't like it and see where that takes you.

The only absolute is that there is no absolute.

Originally Posted by gita (Post 251487)

Sound advice Horizons - exactly what I was planning.:thumb_yello:

Originally Posted by HORIZONS (Post 251491)

If you van get through the book without burning it you will grow :lol3:

Let me know how the read is going. I would love to discuss the work with someone.

Originally Posted by gita (Post 251495)

Burning a book – sacrilege! Although I may use it as a door stopper as it meant to be quite big!:naughty: It would be good to discuss it with someone though. There’s a thread on Icke’s forum that you may find interesting but there are some personal attack posts that you need to skip over but I suppose a book like this will cause a lot of controversy which may be part of its function (I’m guessing).

Originally Posted by HORIZONS (Post 251507)

Sacrilege to be sure--I stand corrected :wink2: I have read about halfway through the DI thread and there are some good comments within it. Without a doubt controversy does/will surround this work, for it is difficult at first to understand where the Author is coming from, and many never will; and that is OK too. One of the main points is to regain you power from the external back to the within and to remain in a Balanced state of awareness. This way we are not drawn into the "game matrix" way of things and gives us a backdoor out of all these trappings. (Which seem to abound on all levels of human consciousness.)

Originally Posted by gita (Post 251514)

Yes, a lot of it has to do with the ‘matrix’ – as if that wasn’t enough Icke’s new book in on the ‘moon matrix’ – everything is a matrix!:lol3:

Originally Posted by HORIZONS (Post 251521)

The moon matrix??? :shocked: Crap, this matrix is enough for me to deal with, besides I am not planing a trip to the moon any time soon. :lmfao: But it will probably be an interesting read.

Originally Posted by gita (Post 251525)

It would be an interesting read. According to Icke his new book contains new info including about the moon. The info about the moon I'm already aware of and have done some clearing work concerning the moon. Am interested to see what he says about its matrix though - darn, more books to read!:lol3:

Originally Posted by Moxie (Post 251548)

This is not a very well thought out post I'm about to make, so excuse me that...this is hasty writing, in other words:

anyway, I would go a bit above and beyond the stated quote above pertaining to the gender preference w/the sex act altogether and my intuition tells me it's another smokescreen to try & look thru.

I think it was Stewart Swerdlow that opened this door to me, the idea that sexual energy is one of the most prized energetic "foods" for the gods.... that is, if we, conjure/produce & perform with these energies while In the state of Ignorance of the true inherent power of sexual energies and do not direct our energetics toward a desirable, creative purpose, then you are, in fact, offering up these energies for the PTWere to harness & use for their own purposes.... which is why sexuality is one of the main themes in advertising/media.

Makes utter sense to me! Sex is not simply a feel good thing!

Originally Posted by Moxie (Post 251592)

Are you speaking "making love alone?" (off topic here but Bernadette Peters once sang a super funny song on SaturdayNightLive w/that title, geesh what pops into mind huh?)... or not making love at all? You are likely speaking making or not making "Sex"?

Sexual energies arise, it's how you own w/honor and direct these that creates outcomes. Heart directed, integrity, respect, divine healing, all these things whether with another person or not, is how I see it.

Non exploitive, just another thing that takes examining ones true motive.

Originally Posted by Moxie (Post 251641)

No sex is no problem if it's no problem with you. However you want to live life is a personal choice to be honored. A celibate lifestyle fits in simply because it IS.