Alex Jones interviews Peter Joesph - Zeitgeist
 

Have a listen when you get a moment :naughty:

[url]http://www.infowars.com/

You can find it on the right side of page

Peace

sylph

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alex jones has just proved to everyone how dumb he is. He just doesn't understand what peter joseph is talking about.

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wow, the level of disrespect is really something. What a contrast between how Jones treats Peter Joseph vs Michael Tsarion.
Interesting. PJ has solutions ,whether you agree with them or not, and MTsar does not really advocate outer solutions ( and also has a horrible temper) though I find some of his work quite brilliant. Just my opinion, and seen em both up close so to speak.

Wow, Alex is afraid of intellectuals! also sad and spooky music! LOL . What a nutter...

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Alex cant grasp the theory Joseph is putting and man he acts like a child, projecting and then attacking. Really wierd because Alex can talk about Infowars back and forth. Joseph is ahead of his time. Unfortunately we still have alot of steps to go.

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i really despise alex after this interview, that's the last time i ever listen to that show.

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I think Alex should stick to what he does best, I give you Officer Jackboot Jones: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AxJ6ZNswiBw

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it's because alex is meant (either paid, puppeted, or possesed) to be a provacateur for revolution not a real advocate for true progress. remember illuminati like to control both sides so they can control outcome.

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ya something is weird with him tyring to express his emotions. Like its some trained programmed thing to connect viscerally with certain type of people. Maybe to people who wil get amplified and do something stupid. I dont doubt alot of these truth people are corrupted. Either they were in with the Illuminati and could not deal anymore (save their soul maybe) and now they are allowed to talk about it to a limit. Or there here to make sure they have some influence in this scene. So much material its hard to decifer what is real and what is not. :sweatdrop:

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(using this thread as a zeitgeist/alex jones debate, thanks sylph16 for find)

i was disappointed too with alex's first zeitgeist critique and with his not so subtle jabs in his recent interview, but at least he apologized for his initial reaction, jabbed himself a bit and allowed zeitgeist to promote their views.

leaving religion out of the mix, alex and zeitgeist have the same essential conclusion, current human conditions suck. but they differ in their premise or why conditions suck. alex (incorrectly) uses a subjective line of reasoning that suckyness is derived from evil individuals that corrupt an otherwise healthy (free market) system. zeitgeist (correctly) uses an objective line of reasoning and concludes suckyness is derived as a natural product of a monetary based system, where resources inherently monopolize and corrupt the individuals controlling those resources. the suckyness can and has emerged from both capitalist and socialist systems.

the zeitgeist position is NOT communistic, socialist, or utopian. some might call it anarchical, im not yet sure. it cannot be communist/socialist because it does not propose a figurehead. it is not utopian because it does not propose an end. the position is a means that directs us out of CONTROL, which makes the zeitgeist proposition a "ground crew" or "avalon" proposition.

to analyze and contribute to the zeitgeist proposition might be a productive/constructive ground crew task.

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My goal is to have tolerance for all ideas and opinions.
I think Alex needs to meditate.:mad3::mad3::mad3: :biggrin2::lmao:

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i must admit that as a long time listener of alex i was taken back by the peter interview. peter's vision seemed to point towards a possibly viable solution to humanities troubles while alex seemed to be trying to 'correct' the current situation which i feel is not correctable without a huge paradigm shift in thought. honest, as a long time advocate for jones i felt ashamed for him listening to his ranting and raving. i am starting to think my fiance is correct, alex is just another paid puppet.

peter owned him in that talk.

sorry alex, you bleed pretty bad in that volley :sweatdrop:

Alex Jones interviews Zeitgeist's Peter Joseph - Ugly
 

Hey all,

I'm sure many of you have seen this already, or subscribe to Alex Jones' channel, but I've just watched part 1 of this interview with the dude who made Zeitgeist. It's an ugly interview, in which Alex is being an immature petty pathetic fool.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=y83cEzFWa_8

I know that some people have criticised his films, especially Addendum, while others have loved it. If Alex had any credible criticism, he'd have used it. It's things like this that make me wonder about that man, his info and his role.

Ben

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Oh Alex, you have just shown me how immature you really are. Everything Peter Joseph said resonated with me and the way Alex replied was very dissmisif . I now know how closed off Mr Jones really is.

I will pray for him , to open up and see the real truth and not the tunnel vision he is seeing through now.

LOVE AND COSMIC CHRIST LIGHT TO ALL.

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I think I'll think twice before I listen to Alex Jones again.

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hi all. i am a true supporter of the zeitgeist movement. but lets not dismiss alex and his extraordinary body of work, which has encouraged and inspired most of us. alex is making mistakes in critical thinking/argumentation, but he is not the enemy. lets be critical of his analysis, not his person.

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It's really funny that the one's with the biggest mouths have the hardest time listening. i know nothing about Alex Jones. But why is he being so defensive? And critical?

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Alex Jones is just pointing out the fact that in Addendum, they are talking about destroying everything we know for this "new world." He is simply comparing how moving towards that kind of existence is in ways, like the New World Order.

There are many similiarties.

Alex Jones woke me up years ago, he's a true patriot, not just for his country, but for the human race. He's been into this stuff for so long it just makes him mad, I don't blame him.

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alex is defending his beliefs about free market capitalism, and failing to recognize its inherent weaknesses. (1.) the inevitable consolidation of wealth and the corruption inherent to that consolidation. (2.) the inability of capitalism/competition to merge with advanced technology. capitalism cannot coexist with technologies that produce sustainability/longevity. sustainability is the antithesis of competition.

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Might be an idea to listen again.

He may have done allot in the past but he is treading a different path now. The personality has taken over from the guy that led so many to realise the lies out there.

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Alex, all you did was to prove that you are a child with the inability to interview someone with a different point of view. Your behavior was a amazing to me, I personally thought you were above making smart ass comments and sounds after every response he gives. I am honestly embarrassed to tell anyone I listen to you after that interview.

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In fact the Dr. Deagle destroys pheter joseph in his show today. haha, exelent program. hahaha.

The basics of his arguments are that joseph believes that we are flesh machines instead creators sons of G O D and develop his argument starting there.

Cheers!

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Looks like Alex used sensationalism to market himself and hence improve his income... After Peter's responses, I respect Peter even more. Cheers.

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doesn't seem to be sound reasoning to me. i believe that we are creator sons of god, and i could easily develop and support the zeitgeist argument. i would be interested to hear dr deagles argument. do you have a link?

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Yeah, it wasn't that ugly. I guess Alex Jones is just a person who's really outspoken and loud. He did get a little irritating at times, but i listened to the whole broadcast, and they had a nice healthy discussion. And they agree on a lot of things. Peter Joseph is one of the most intelligent and bold persons I've ever heard speak.

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i want to believe you as alex did much to get my head out of the sand. what your saying resonates with my beliefs. thx

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Alex Jones was pitifully disgusting in that interview, esp. about Peter's comments about manipulation (given as an example) such as charging 19.95 instead of $20 for a DVD. Jones so totally missed the point that was being made and he whined and hollered about it for the rest of the show, over and over and over.

Then someone posted here about yesterdays's Alex Jones interview with Michael Tsarion on Youtube - and it was hard to believe this was the same interviewer.
http://tinyurl.com/4p4a9y
There are 9 segments, 1-4 and then 1-5

Seems to me the big difference between the interviews is that "technology of the future" - Alex has pegged as one of the big Elitist tools that will be used against us and he can't see it being used in a beneficial way - utopia is also an evil word in the Alex Jones dictionary.

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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! I'm sorry for screaming, but you should hear what it's like in my head.

EDIT: Oh yeah, because I'm listening right now. Will post in full soon.

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Alex is such a knob to Joseph at the end of part 5, Joe must've just been thinking 'why bother with this dude?' Webster Tarpley and Alex have had it out a couple times too, but I think Alex respects Tarpley more so he'd never behave like that to him. It's the choice of behaviour that is so offensive. I think Alex looks at Joeseph like he is some slick new-kid-on-the-block who is halfway between himself and Naomi Klein, and it really irritates him.

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Wow, Alex Jones was a disgrace. They are both on the same side here, and he continues to attack Peter. Seems like Alex Jones is "compromised".

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Alex has made some great films but is too angry and seems to be focused on fearmongering & his own ego lately. He seriously needs a big ******* chill pill!

I cant swear on here??!!! This place is getting bad. I am an adult. You are adults. ****!

Re: Alex Jones interviews Zeitgeist's Peter Joseph - Ugly
 

about alex being "compromised" you are exactly right. he is compromised by his own belief system. this is explained at thezeitgeistmovement.com

"Since people's identities become associated with the doctrines of a Country, Religion or Business ethic, it often becomes very difficult for a person to change, for his or her identity has become combined with the ideologies which have been imposed upon them. Therefore, they perpetuate the doctrine of the institution, simply to maintain their personal integrity, as they see it.
We must break this cycle, for it paralyses our growth not only as individuals, but as a society". (peter joseph, zeitgeistmovement)

Re: Alex Jones interviews Zeitgeist's Peter Joseph - Ugly
 

Unfortunately the second half of the interview revolved around complete non-issues
fueled by Alex Jones rampage.

Now the whole discussions about the interview is going to revolve
around nothing as well.

I have high respect for Alex but he acted horrible.

I was hoping to hear a little more about the plan of project Venus.
Alex was just in being wary of it, but his mind was set before he even started talking and barely gave Peter a chance.

What Peter did manage to get through did sound pretty positive. I've always hated money and the monetary system knowing full well that we are slaves to it.

Peters message shined much brighter in this interview and I have a feeling Alex
is going to be feeling a lot of backlash.
Deservedly so.

For someone who's so awake he sure is asleep. :smoke:

Re: Alex Jones interviews Zeitgeist's Peter Joseph - Ugly
 

I gave up on Alex Jones awhile back. What did it for me was him dressing in a demon mask and mocking various politicians, really immature.

He is under some heavy mind control and blows up all the time. I worry about some of his fans taking up arms out of complete fear to fight a corrupt government.

Real diplomacy is in every one you here right now... thats power my friends.

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Zeitgeist had some really good stuff in it. But it also was peppered with dangerous ideas in it that reminded me a lot of illuminati propaganda.

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hmmmm, another thread on this one, OK, well Jones in the past mocked Tsarion big time, and Icke. I see something rather odd how he is now super respectful to Tsarion who himself advocates doing NOTHING. ( yeah, its all an internal process folks.) Like be mad as hell and sit on it? ****!

It really rattles Jones bones ( hah, he's really bloated now) if someone is smarter than him and suggests INTELLIGENT action.

For a truther, Jones has a lot of no- go areas.

ahhh well, at least Jones let Tsarion swear on his interview without cleaning it up...fork in hell!

Re: Alex Jones interviews Zeitgeist's Peter Joseph - Ugly
 

Alex jones is CIA*aka fear mongerer* and the movie already got owned by nowheretorun : http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/

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Yes, Jones advocates the type of behaviour that would land you in the camps,( and I'm pretty sure he won't be there ) but to attempt to credibly refute Zeitgeist using Chris White's " Nowhere to Run" site, :shocked:
well, to each their own.
Chris W. has his own agenda, and don't they all.

Re: Alex Jones interviews Zeitgeist's Peter Joseph - Ugly
 

I am so very sad after listening to this interview.
This is absolutely the most important discussion that we can have as a species, and it was done a great disservive by both of these men's egos here. They have only further divided people who agree upon so many things.
Alex is undefendable in his O'Riely esque delivery. Peter is undefendable in his need to defend such personal attacks and frequent use of semantics.
They do not realise that their respective positions are not mutually exclusive.
They agree on the basics (as I'm fairly sure we all do) which as I see them are:

1. Our society is sick
2. We need a new framework for society
3. Said society must be based on people

What they disagree on, as I see it, is: "How do we get there?" and "What is the nature of the PTB?"
This is extremely important IMO, as they are the questions that will determine where we actually go from here.

Peter seems to contend that "evil" is only a sickness of sorts that can be explained away if diagnosed properly. And therefore the nature of "evil" will fall by the wayside as we begin to understand the motivations.

I really wish that I could subscribe to this notion, unfortunately, I simply cannot comprehend the outright "evil" that I see in the world, and I would have no idea where to begin diagnosing the large majority of it. This is, indeed my own shortcoming and I really do hope that one day humans can be so brilliant as to look into one another's eyes and help each other to overcome what has been plaguing us.

"How do we get there?" is so important because, in Peter's model, society has already crumbled and the PTB are just as helpless as the rest of us. At this point they become irrelevant because they do not fall in line w/ the rest of us, and they slink away. "Evil" ,as it were, is now gone. As Peter said here in part 2/5 at about 7 min. that "The system will prevail because it is true."

God help us, I hope this is true.

Alex's position was fraught w/ aggressive language and personal attacks, but overall I think his message was important.

What I feel like Alex should have addressed (which he did only slightly) is that regardless of the nature of evil, evil (abhorrent behavior) exists, and currently that abhorrent behavior has focused it's energy on control (of us) and survival of itself. The PTB know that this positive paradigm shift is a reality and that, while they control the show now, they are losing control. The playing field, so to to speak, will soon be leveled. This is the source of thier fear and I am screaming this to all who will listen: They want to hi-jack the this positive paradigm shift by creating chaos and further dividing/enslaving us.
The price of freedom (right now) is eternal vigilance.

I look at the original idea behind the creation of the United States as a microcosm for what Peter proposes. It was a great idea that was corrupted tout de suite because, even then an ocean was no obstacle to them. We have to dismantle the current system entirely before we can begin to build a better one. It sucks really, but I feel like we can't afford to broadcast ideas like the Venus Project right now. They are good ideas that will be co-opted quickly and steered in awful directions.
Peter's assertion is that the PTB are all just sick individuals that can be diagnosed away or dealt w/ by ignoring their abhorrent behavior if they choose to continue it.
I feel like this is the only thing I disagree w/ from Peter. I mean come on man, you must know that they won't slink away because "the system is true"(which I believe btw). They will fight to infiltrate our movements and divide us. The only solution I see is massive awareness. Once we all know the nature of the PTB, we can begin to address the problems they present.

P.S.
I have been following Alex's work for some time now, and this is the worst I have ever felt about him. It was unfortunate the way he treated Mr. Joseph and I will be emailing Alex's organization until I receive a reponse.
"This interview was counterproductive" will be the subject of my email.

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Personalities aside, when I watched Addendum last week I was completely in synch' with it until they started talking about project Venus. Alex's problems are his own but I had a problem with that too.

Short of a complete 'wipe-out' of humanity and a re-seeding, I just don't think it's got snowball's chance.

norman.